WEBVTT 00:00:01.733 --> 00:00:06.465 WITH THIS, WE CAN CRUSH THEM. >> KRISTEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:11.198 CHUCK TODD AND STEPHANIE RUHLE HERE. 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:16.465 THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO START WITH STEPHANIE. 00:00:16.599 --> 00:00:19.065 THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN IN POLITICS VERY LONG. 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:21.399 OBVIOUSLY A LEARNING CURVE THERE. HE LIKES TO TOUT HIS 00:00:21.533 --> 00:00:23.732 SUCCESS IN BUSINESS. WHEN HAVE YOU BUSINESS LEADERS 00:00:23.866 --> 00:00:25.932 WALKING AWAY FROM COUNCILS LIKE THIS. 00:00:26.100 --> 00:00:29.865 WHEN HAVE YOU PEOPLE LIKE TIM COOK AND JAMIE DIMON REBUKING 00:00:29.999 --> 00:00:33.165 AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HIM, IN SOME WAYS MIGHT THIS SEND A 00:00:33.300 --> 00:00:36.865 STRONGER MESSAGE TO HIM THAN WHEN POLITICIANS SPEAK OUT. 00:00:37.033 --> 00:00:40.465 >> THINK ABOUT THE IRONY JAMIE DIMON, THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY, 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.265 THIS WAS THE MOST HATED INDUSTRY IN AMERICA JUST A FEW YEARS AGO 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.365 AND NOW THEY ARE SETTING A BAR IN TERMS OF MORAL LEADERSHIP. 00:00:47.499 --> 00:00:51.932 THIS IS A HUGE, EMBARRASSING BLOW FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND 00:00:52.066 --> 00:00:54.431 JARED AND IVANKA TO LED THIS COUNCIL. 00:00:54.566 --> 00:00:57.465 >> ARE THEY SETTING A BAR OR GRANDSTANDING. 00:00:57.599 --> 00:01:00.165 HAVE YOU TO WONDER DOWN THE ROAD IF AND WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP GETS 00:01:00.300 --> 00:01:03.165 AROUND TO DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE DEREGULATION AND TAX 00:01:03.299 --> 00:01:09.165 REFORM, ARE THESE SAME PEOPLE GOING TO BE RIGHT ON BOARD? 00:01:09.300 --> 00:01:12.099 >> THEY AREN'T AFRAID OF PRESIDENT TRUMP ANYMORE. 00:01:12.233 --> 00:01:17.165 AT THIS POINT HE'S SAID SO MUCH BUT DONE SO LITTLE AND HE'S SO 00:01:17.300 --> 00:01:20.999 FAR AWAY FROM THE AGENDA. JAMIE DIMON SAYS WALK AWAY FROM 00:01:21.133 --> 00:01:24.831 HIM, STRAPPED TO MAKE MONEY DEREGULATION, TAX CUTS BUT AT 00:01:24.933 --> 00:01:26.965 SOME POINT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. NOT JUST THIS WEEK. 00:01:27.132 --> 00:01:31.999 THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE TRAVEL BAN, IMMIGRATION POLICY, PARIS 00:01:32.166 --> 00:01:34.232 ACCORDS. THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO WORK. 00:01:34.366 --> 00:01:36.632 THEY ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THIS. 00:01:36.800 --> 00:01:39.632 >> BIGGEST FALLOUT BIG BUSINESS. WHAT ABOUT THE POLITICAL 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:41.765 FALLOUT. DID YOU EXPECT IT TO BE MORE? 00:01:41.900 --> 00:01:45.265 DID YOU EXPECT RESIGNATIONS? DO YOU THINK THERE'S MORE TO 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:48.298 COME? >> I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THERE'S 00:01:48.399 --> 00:01:51.465 MORE TO COME. IF YOU'RE JOHN KELLY YOU'RE 00:01:51.600 --> 00:01:55.665 RELIEVED YOU MADE IT 24 HOURS WITHOUT SOME HIGH-PROFILE 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.598 RESIGNATION. THERE WAS SOME HINTS BUT NONE OF 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:03.365 THAT CAME TO FRUITION. THE REPUBLICANS -- IT'S 00:02:03.499 --> 00:02:05.165 FASCINATING TO WATCH REPUBLICAN LEADERS HERE. 00:02:05.300 --> 00:02:08.699 ON THE ONE HAND THEY ARE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. 00:02:08.833 --> 00:02:10.632 ON THE OTHER HAND THEY ARE NOT SURE -- IF THEY SPEAK OUT, THEY 00:02:10.766 --> 00:02:16.832 ARE NOT SURE HOW THE BASE IS GOING TO REACT TO THEM. 00:02:16.966 --> 00:02:19.065 THEY ARE STILL MAKING A POLITICAL CALCULATION WITH THE 00:02:19.200 --> 00:02:20.365 PRESIDENT. WRONG THEY ARE MAKING A 00:02:20.499 --> 00:02:22.532 CALCULATION THAT'S BEYOND THEIR OWN POLITICS RIGHT NOW. 00:02:22.666 --> 00:02:25.499 THAT COULD CHANGE BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHERE THEY SHALL. 00:02:25.666 --> 00:02:28.998 >> STEVE BANNON HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THIS STORY KIND OF 00:02:29.100 --> 00:02:33.165 WEAVING IN AND OUT. NOW HE SEEMS TO BE WAGING WAR 00:02:33.300 --> 00:02:37.299 INSIDE THE WEST WING AND NOW THE PRESS. 00:02:37.466 --> 00:02:42.465 WHERE IS IS IT HEADED? >> THIS INTERVIEW WITH "THE 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:46.199 AMERICAN PROSPECT" IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE A FORMER MEDIA EXECUTIVE 00:02:46.333 --> 00:02:49.732 DOESN'T KNOW HE'S ON THE RECORD. LET'S SET THAT ASIDE. 00:02:49.866 --> 00:02:53.165 HE DOESN'T DENY HE WAS ON THE RECORD BUT HE SAID I DIDN'T KNOW 00:02:53.299 --> 00:02:57.132 HE WAS GOING TO QUOTE ME. THE STUFF HE SAYS ABOUT NORTH 00:02:57.266 --> 00:02:59.598 KOREA SAYING THE PRESIDENT IS SIMPLY BLUFFING, THAT IS GOING 00:02:59.733 --> 00:03:01.865 TO REALLY IRRITATE THE NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM. 00:03:01.999 --> 00:03:03.798 HOWEVER, STEVE BANNON IS ALSO SPEAKING TO THE PRESIDENT. 00:03:03.900 --> 00:03:05.798 WHAT HE'S SAYING ON CHARLOTTESVILLE AND WHAT HE'S 00:03:05.933 --> 00:03:12.332 SAYING ON, HEY, YOU'VE GOT THEM 00:03:12.466 --> 00:03:13.798 NOW. YOU THINK THIS WAS A TERRIBLE 00:03:13.933 --> 00:03:17.599 MOMENT FOR THE PRESIDENCY, I THINK THIS WAS A DEFINING MOMENT 00:03:17.733 --> 00:03:19.665 HE SAYS. I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING DARE 00:03:19.766 --> 00:03:22.998 TO THE PRESIDENT HERE. THE NATIONAL SECURITY FOLKS WANT 00:03:23.133 --> 00:03:24.398 HIM OUT. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, 00:03:24.533 --> 00:03:28.665 SECRETARY OF STATE, THEY WANT HIM OUT, JOHN KELLY MAY WANT HIM 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.565 OUT BUT DOES THE PRESIDENT. DOES THE PRESIDENT WANT TO THROW 00:03:31.666 --> 00:03:34.798 HIM OVERBOARD AND RISK ALIENATION WITH HIS BASE. 00:03:34.933 --> 00:03:38.632 I THINK BANNON IS DARING THE SHOWDOWN IN THIS WHITE HOUSE.