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INDEPENDENCE HALL, JUST BLOCKS  
FROM WHERE IT ALL GOES DOWN THIS

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WEEK.                           
ACCORDING TO REPORTS, THERE'S   

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EVIDENCE THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT 
WAS BEHIND THE DNC HACK.        

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THERE'S NOTHING TO SUGGEST THE  
TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAD ANYTHING TO  

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DO WITH IT.                     
TIES BETWEEN THE TRUMP AND      

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KREMLIN, BOTH THROUGH AIDES AND 
HIS BUSINESSES, ARE FAIRLY WELL 

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DOCUMENTED AND HE HAS FREQUENTLY
PRAISED VLADIMIR PUTIN.         

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>> WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU         
BRILLIANT, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD,    

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ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PERSON THAT 
HEADS UP RUSSIA.                

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>> IT'S ALSO A PERSON WHO KILLS 
OPPONENTS AND JOURNALISTS AND   

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INVADES COUNTRIES.              
THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN, WOULD  

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IT NOT?                         
>> HE'S RUNNING HIS COUNTRY, AND

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AT LEAST HE'S A LEADER, UNLIKE  
WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.   

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>> THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN  
PUSHING BACK THAT THE DNC HACK  

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WAS CARRIED OUT ON THEIR BEHALF,
SAYING --                       

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JOINING ME NOW, STANFORD        
PROFESSOR MICHAEL McFAUL, FORMER

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U.S. AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA.      
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COVERAGE  

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ABOUT THIS ANGLE, ABOUT PUTIN   
AND DONALD TRUMP.               

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AND A LOT OF IT SPECULATIVE IN A
WAY THAT I THINK HAS GOTTEN OUT 

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PAST THE FACTS.                 
WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE IS  

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THAT PUTIN PROBABLY FAVORS      
DONALD TRUMP OVER HILLARY       

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CLINTON, AND VARIOUS SORT OF    
APPARATUSES CONTROLLED BY HIM   

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HAVE SORT OF MADE THAT CLEAR IN 
THE WAY THEY'VE COVERED THE     

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RACE.                           
IS THAT FAIR?                   

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>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.             
THEY -- BOTH HE HIMSELF AND HIS 

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MEDIA OUTLETS AND HIS SURROGATES
AND PEOPLE IN HIS PARTY, I      

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THINK, HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR  
THAT THEY PREFER TRUMP OVER     

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CLINTON, AND IT'S FOR TWO       
REASONS.                        

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LET'S BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE    
BIT.                            

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ONE IS FOR THE POLICIES.        
WHEN MR. TRUMP SAYS THAT HE     

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WANTS TO RETHINK OUR            
RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR ALLIES IN

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EUROPE, THAT IS A POLICY THAT   

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MR. PUTIN SUPPORTS.             
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PART THAT I 

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DON'T THINK HAS GOTTEN MUCH     
ATTENTION.                      

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THIS IS ALSO PERSONAL.          
PUTIN BLAMED SECRETARY CLINTON  

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FOR THE OPPOSITION PROTESTS THAT
WENT ON IN THE STREETS OF MOSCOW

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IN DECEMBER 2011, FOR A         
STATEMENT THAT SHE SAID ABOUT   

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THE UNFAIRNESS OF THAT ELECTION.
AND EVER SINCE, HE HAS HAD A    

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VENDETTA AGAINST CLINTON,       
CLAIMING THAT SHE WAS SUPPORTING

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REGIME CHANGE AGAINST HIM       
PERSONALLY.                     

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SO BOTH ON THE POLICY AND THE   
PERSONAL, HE'D RATHER SEE TRUMP.

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>> THERE'S ALSO THE CASE THAT   
THERE'S CLEARLY SOME SORT OF    

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DISPOSITIONAL AFFINITY BETWEEN  
DONALD TRUMP AND VLADIMIR PUTIN 

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AND WE SAW IN THAT CLIP THERE,  
HE'S RUNNING HIS COUNTRY, HE    

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SAID HE THINKS HE'D GET ALONG   
WELL WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.       

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PUTIN HIMSELF HAS ALSO TAKEN A  
GREAT INTEREST IN BASICALLY     

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RIGHT-WING NATIONALIST PARTIES  
THROUGHOUT EUROPE.              

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>> CORRECT.                     
AND THEY'RE ACTIVE.             

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AS OTHERS MORE EXPERT ON EUROPE 
HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT, AND THEY    

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HAVE CAPABILITY.                
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK

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YOU'RE RIGHT TO BE CAUTIOUS.    
WHAT DO WE KNOW AND WHAT DO WE  

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DON'T KNOW?                     
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW.  

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WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY    
HAVE TREMENDOUS CYBER           

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CAPABILITY.                     
THEY CAN HACK THE DNC AND       

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HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF    
ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS,  

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INCLUDING ME, BY THE WAY, RIGHT 
NOW.                            

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THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.      
NUMBER TWO, THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE

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SO FAR, INCLUDING FROM THE      
ORGANIZATION THAT INVESTIGATED  

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IT, CROWD STRIKE, POINTS        
DIRECTLY TO THE RUSSIANS, THAT  

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THEY HACKED THESE E-MAILS.      
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHETHER OR

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NOT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE  
THE KNOWLEDGE YET, WHETHER THEY 

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GAVE THEM TO WIKILEAKS OR NOT.  
THAT'S THE ONE PIECE WE DON'T   

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KNOW.                           
OBVIOUSLY THESE E-MAILS WERE    

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RELEASED WHEN THEY WERE TO HAVE 
AN IMPACT ON UNITY WITHIN THE   

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DEMOCRATIC PARTY.               
BUT THE TRANSFER PIECE IS THE   

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ONLY PART WE DON'T KNOW.        
>> I HAVE TO SAY THAT I -- I    

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FIND THE BEHAVIOR OF VLADIMIR   
PUTIN PARTICULARLY DOMESTICALLY 

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AND INTERNALLY ODIOUS, THE WAY  
HE'S ACTED TO POLITICAL         

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OPPONENTS, AND HOW HE'S ACTED   
BEYOND RUSSIA'S BORDER.         

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THAT SAID, AS SOMEONE WHO SERVED
AS AN AMBASSADOR THERE, ARE YOU 

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CONCERNED ABOUT THE "BACK TO THE
FUTURE" COLD WAR RHETORIC THAT  

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HAS SHOT THROUGH THIS PART OF   
OUR POLITICS AND WHETHER THAT   

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ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO LEAD TO A
SERIES OF HIGH-STAKE SHOWDOWNS  

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IN THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION?     
>> WELL, CHRIS, IT ALL DEPENDS  

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ON WHO IS THE NEXT              
ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE THEY    

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HAVE VERY DIFFERENT POLICIES.   
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, NO.     

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I WAS PART OF THE OBAMA         
ADMINISTRATION FOR FIVE YEARS.  

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I THINK THE WAY THEY RESPONDED  
TO PUTIN'S AGGRESSION WAS RIGHT,

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THAT IS TO SANCTION INDIVIDUALS 
AND COMPANIES THAT WERE INVOLVED

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IN WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE, TO 
STRENGTHEN THE NATO ALLIANCE AND

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TO HELP UKRAINE.                
TO ME, THE WORSE THING IS TO    

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HAVE POWER VACUUMS.             
THE WORSE THING IS TO HAVE      

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UNCERTAINTY ABOUT OUR           
RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR ALLIES.   

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THAT DOESN'T MEAN TO SAY WE'RE  
GOING TO STAND BY OUR ALLIES TO 

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RETURN TO THE COLD WAR.         
THAT'S A RED HERRING TO ME, FOR 

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ALL SORTS OF REASONS, THIS IS   
NOT THE COLD WAR.               

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THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF     
DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP WE'RE    

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GOING TO HAVE WITH RUSSIA, I    
BELIEVE, FOR A LONG, LONG