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BLACK VOTERS IN PHILLY CAME IN.

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SAME THING WITH GEORGIA.

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SO LET’S BRING IN RIGHT NOW THE

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AUTHOR, POET AND WRITER AT

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VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY.

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THIS IS A VANDY CONSPIRACY ALSO.

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CAROLINE RANDAL WILLIAMS.

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CAROLINE, LET’S READ FROM YOUR

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PIECE CALLED "A LOVING

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CHASTISEMENT FOR AMERICA."

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JOE BIDEN HAS WON, BUT IT

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DOESN’T FEEL LIKE IT’S OVER.

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THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE

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REPUBLICAN, A STAGGERING 70

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MILLION AS OF FRIDAY EVENING,

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WILL FIND A MORE CONVENTIONAL

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AMBASSADOR NEXT TIME.

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THE 45th PRESIDENT WAS AN

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ABERRATION ONLY INSOFAR OF HIS

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CORRUPTION AND IT WAS BRAZEN

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INSTEAD OF SUBTLE.

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HIS APPEARANCE CLOWNISH INSTEAD

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OF SLICK.

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BUT THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM

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ARE PLENTEOUS, AND THEY HAVE

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BEEN CONDITIONED FOR THIS BIG

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TREE, NOT JUST BY THE LAST FOUR

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YEARS BUT BY CENTURIES.

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I’M ON AMERICA’S SIDE, BUT AS MY

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GRANDFATHER SAID, LOVE INVOLVES

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CHASTISEMENT.

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I LOVE THE IDEA OF AN AMERICA

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THAT IS FREE AND EQUAL, BUT WE

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ARE NOT THERE YET.

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AND CAROLINE, I ESPECIALLY LOVE

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THIS LINE, AND I READ IT

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YESTERDAY.

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IT’S WHY I WANTED SO MUCH FOR

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YOU TO BE ON THE SHOW.

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IT’S BEAUTIFUL.

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THANKS TO MY FATHER, WHOM I

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LOVED VERY MUCH, I AM AN

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UNABASHED, FAIRLY OLD-FASHIONED

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PATRIOT.

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THAT SURPRISES PEOPLE.

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BUT WHY CAN’T I SPEAK OUT

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AGAINST AMERICA’S ILLS AND THEN,

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WITH UNRESERVED GOOD FAITH,

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CONTEMPLATE ITS PROMISE.

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>> JOE, I’M SO GRATEFUL TO YOU

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FOR HAVING ME ON THE SHOW, FIRST

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OF ALL, THIS MORNING.

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AND SECOND OF ALL, FOR HEARING

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THE RIGHT SPIRIT BEHIND PEACE

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AND THEN THIRD FOR PICKING OUT

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THAT LINE BECAUSE TO ME, IT

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REALLY SPEAKS TO THE NECESSITY

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THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO RETURN

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TO EMBRACING THE FACT THAT TWO

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THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT ONCE.

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AND I THINK ABOUT JUST THE LAST

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SEGMENT.

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WHERE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT HOW

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WASHINGTON ESTABLISHED NORMS FOR

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THE PRESIDENCY.

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AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THOUGH,

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NORMS ARE NOT LAWS.

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YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OF THE

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WAY WE EXPECT AN AMERICAN

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PRESIDENT TO ACT, HE DID

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ESTABLISH SOME NORMS BUT HE ALSO

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HAD SOME NORMS THAT WE THANK GOD

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HAVE ABANDONED.

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WE DON’T EXPECT IT TO BE A NORM

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ANY LONGER THAT PRESIDENTS OWN

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SLAVES OR DENY WOMEN THE RIGHT

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TO VOTE.

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IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT

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WE MAINTAIN A PRACTICE OF

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CONTINUING TO RELENTLESSLY PUT

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THINGS INTO CONTEXT AND FRAME

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AND REFRAME THEM SO THAT WE CAN

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REALLY PUSH THIS EXPERIMENT TO

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LIVE UP TO LIKE THE CAPACITY OF

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OUR DREAM FOR IT.

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>> IT’S WILLIE GEIST.

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I’M A PART OF THIS VANDERBILT

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CONSPIRACY SO IT’S GREAT TO SEE

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YOU.

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PROUDLY SO.

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IT’S AN AMAZING PIECE.

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I HOPE EVERYBODY READS IT

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BECAUSE YOU TELL YOUR OWN STORY

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SO WELL AND SO DEEPLY AND HOW

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FAR IT GOES BACK TO YOUR

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GRANDFATHER BEING ONE OF THE

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FIRST BLACK MEN ELECTED SINCE

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RECONSTRUCTION IN THE STATE OF

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TENNESSEE.

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YOUR FATHER BEING A CONSERVATIVE

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REPUBLICAN WHO WORKED FOR GEORGE

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W. BUSH IN THE UNITED STATES

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ARMY.

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SO WHEN YOU SAT DOWN TO WRITE

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THIS, YOU’RE LOOKING AT THESE

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ELECTION RESULTS COMING IN.

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OKAY, JOE BIDEN WON.

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FOR YOU, THAT’S THE GOOD NEWS.

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FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE

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COUNTRY, THAT’S GOOD NEWS.

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NOW WE’RE LOOKING AT 71 MILLION

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PEOPLE WHO VOTED AGAIN FOR

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DONALD TRUMP.

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MANY, MANY MORE THAN VOTED FOR

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HIM IN 2016.

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SO WHAT DID THAT TELL YOU, AND

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HOW DID THAT COMPEL YOU TO WRITE

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THIS PIECE?

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>> I THINK IT TOLD ME AN OLD,

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HARD TRUTH WHICH IS THAT PEOPLE

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ARE PREPARED TO VOTE EITHER FOR

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ECONOMICS ABOVE EQUITY, WHICH IS

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INHERENTLY A POSITION OF

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PRIVILEGE THAT IS, AS BEST,

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IGNORANT AND AT WORST RACIST.

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AND IT ALSO TOLD ME THAT LEE

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ATWATER WAS REALLY SMART AND

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THAT WHATEVER HE PLANTED IN THE

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SEEDS OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND IN

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THE MINDS OF AMERICANS ABIDES

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AND IS TERRIFYING.

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AND I REALLY THINK THAT IT

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CALLED ME TO CALL TO ACCOUNT THE

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REPUBLICANS THAT HAVEN’T YET

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FOLLOWED JOE’S MODEL AND NICOLLE

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WALLACE’S MODEL AND MICHAEL

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STEELE’S MODEL OF REALLY COMING

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TO REPROACH THEIR PARTY BECAUSE

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I THINK THAT WHAT THE PARTY

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NEEDS TO RECKON WITH IS THIS

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QUESTION OF, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH

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THE FACT THAT, AT THE MOMENT,

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THE CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGICAL SET

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IS NOT -- AND I DON’T KNOW IF IT

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EVER WILL AGAIN -- BE THE

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POPULAR WILL OF THE AMERICAN

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PEOPLE IF YOU ACTUALLY EXCISE

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THE BIGOTS.

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IS IT A FORM OF OLD-FASHIONED

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CONSERVATIVISM THAT CAN BE

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APPLIED TO AMERICAN POLITICS

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WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HUMAN

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ERROR AND BY THAT I MEAN

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IMPLICIT BIAS AND SOCIAL AND

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POLITICAL STRUCTURES THAT

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CURRENTLY COUNT ON THE DECENCY

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OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE POWER IN

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ORDER FOR EQUITY TO BE ENSURED

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IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION OF

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THE LAW.

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AND THEN IF THERE IS A FORM OF

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OLD-FASHIONED CONSERVATISM THAT

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CAN BE APPLIED, WHAT DOES THAT

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LOOK LIKE?

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BECAUSE FOR BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS

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COUNTRY, THERE’S NO SEPARATING

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OF CULTURAL ISSUES FROM

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PRACTICAL POLITICAL ISSUES

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BECAUSE THE PRACTICAL TRUTH OF

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MY LIFE IS THAT IT MATTERS,

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RIGHT?

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AND IF THE POLICIES ON THE OTHER

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SIDE DON’T REINFORCE THAT, I

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DON’T KNOW HOW I CAN COME TO THE

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TABLE.

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>> GENE ROBINSON?

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>> SO FOR CHASTISEMENT TO WORK,

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THE PERSON BEING CHASTISED HAS

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TO, IN FACT, FEEL CHASTISED.

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HOW DO YOU INDUCE THAT FEELING,

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THAT KNOWLEDGE?

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>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK

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IT’S -- WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT

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OUT BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW,

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JOE TALKED ABOUT A CULTURAL

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CIVIL WAR THAT’S HAPPENING.

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I THINK ECONOMICS ARE THE FIRST

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ONE.

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IT’S WHY -- I LIVED IN

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MISSISSIPPI FOR FIVES YEARS AND

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LOVED IT, AND IT WAS COSTING

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THEM NOUN HAVE THAT FLAG ON

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THEIR FLAG.

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SO THEY CHANGED IT.

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AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WE HAVE

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TO TRY A DIFFERENT TACTIC AND

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THAT MAY BE PART OF IT.

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>> CAROLINE, I’M SO THANKFUL

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YOU’RE ON TODAY.

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YOU SAID WHAT I’VE CAUGHT MYSELF

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SAYING MORE AND MORE.

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IT’S ALMOST LIKE I’M A DBT

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COUNSELOR.

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TWO THINGS EVEN BE TRUE AT THE

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SAME TIME.

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THERE CAN BE TRUTHS IN 1619 AND

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1776 AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT

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HOW TO BRING THOSE TWO TRUTHS

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TOGETHER.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH

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US TODAY.

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I HOPE YOU COME BACK.

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>> YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

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>> ALL RIGHT.