WEBVTT 00:05.339 --> 00:07.040 >>> IT IS AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY 00:07.041 --> 00:08.262 >>> IT IS AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY 00:08.263 --> 00:10.299 THAT THE PRESIDENT MAKING WILDLY 00:10.300 --> 00:11.672 AUTHORITARIAN PRONOUNCEMENT NO 00:11.674 --> 00:13.278 LONGER COUNTS AS NEWS, BUT IT 00:13.279 --> 00:14.905 STILL SHOULD BE NEWS. 00:14.939 --> 00:17.189 HERE HE IS ONCE AGAIN CALLING 00:17.190 --> 00:18.564 EXPLICITLY ON HIS ATTORNEY 00:18.566 --> 00:19.890 GENERAL TO PROSECUTE HIS 00:19.892 --> 00:21.245 POLITICAL ENEMIES, THIS TIME 00:21.279 --> 00:23.276 OVER THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. 00:23.277 --> 00:25.710 >> AND I SAY THIS OPENLY, BILL 00:25.711 --> 00:27.139 BARR CAN GO DOWN AS THE GREATEST 00:27.173 --> 00:29.190 ATTORNEY GENERAL IN THE HISTORY 00:29.224 --> 00:31.257 OF OUR COUNTRY OR HE CAN GO DOWN 00:31.258 --> 00:32.277 AS JUST ANOTHER GUY. 00:32.278 --> 00:33.099 IT DEPENDS. 00:33.133 --> 00:34.745 THEY HAVE ALL THE STUFF. 00:34.747 --> 00:36.428 YOU DON’T NEED ANYTHING ELSE. 00:36.462 --> 00:38.153 >> BILL BARR, YOU’RE SAYING, HAS 00:38.188 --> 00:40.434 TO PROSECUTE ALL OF THESE 00:40.435 --> 00:41.830 INDIVIDUALS TO BE A GREAT 00:41.864 --> 00:43.129 ATTORNEY GENERAL? 00:43.164 --> 00:45.467 HE’S ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED 00:45.501 --> 00:46.460 ATTORNEY GENERALS WE’VE EVER 00:46.461 --> 00:46.897 HAD. 00:46.932 --> 00:49.214 >> I REALLY LIKE HIM A LOT, BUT 00:49.216 --> 00:51.306 I’LL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. 00:51.341 --> 00:53.150 >> THIS HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT 00:53.151 --> 00:54.322 MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT. 00:54.324 --> 00:55.418 REMEMBER WHEN HE TOLD HILLARY 00:55.419 --> 00:56.365 CLINTON IN THE SECOND 00:56.366 --> 00:58.244 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE THAT IF HE 00:58.245 --> 01:01.967 WAS IN OFFICE, HE WOULD JAIL HER 01:01.968 --> 01:03.643 OR PURSUING A LONG VENDETTA 01:03.678 --> 01:05.303 AGAINST JEFF SESSIONS FOR THE 01:05.337 --> 01:07.001 CRIME OF NOT PROSECUTING THE 01:07.003 --> 01:08.293 PRESIDENT’S POLITICAL ENEMIES 01:08.294 --> 01:09.891 AND FOR RECUSING HIMSELF FROM 01:09.892 --> 01:11.599 THE RUSSIA PROBE. 01:11.600 --> 01:13.855 NOW DONALD TRUMP IS WILLIAM BARR 01:13.889 --> 01:15.584 WHO SEEMS AMENABLE TO WHATEVER 01:15.619 --> 01:18.738 THE PRESIDENT’S WHIMS ARE. 01:18.772 --> 01:20.897 NOW, PROSECUTING HIS ENEMIES, 01:20.898 --> 01:23.333 IT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT QUITE 01:23.368 --> 01:24.913 CROSSED, THOUGH WE ARE CLOSE TO 01:24.914 --> 01:26.718 BEING ON THE EDGE OF IT. 01:26.720 --> 01:28.604 THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO USE 01:28.605 --> 01:30.062 THE STATE JUSTICE APPARATUS IN 01:30.063 --> 01:32.394 THE ROAD TO ELECTION FOR 01:32.395 --> 01:34.061 PROSECUTIONS OF POLITICAL 01:34.063 --> 01:35.418 ENEMIES AND DISSONANCE. 01:35.419 --> 01:37.153 ANOTHER PRESIDENT, RICHARD 01:37.188 --> 01:39.753 NIXON, ABUSED HIS POWER. 01:39.787 --> 01:42.226 JOHN DEAN FAMOUSLY STOOD UP AND 01:42.227 --> 01:44.156 EXPOSED HIS CORRUPTION. 01:44.157 --> 01:46.537 HE IS THE CO-AUTHOR OF A NEW 01:46.538 --> 01:46.955 BOOK. 01:46.956 --> 01:48.908 AND JOHN DEAN JOINS ME NOW. 01:48.909 --> 01:50.919 IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON, MR. 01:50.920 --> 01:51.776 DEAN. 01:51.811 --> 01:54.681 LET ME START WITH THIS PRINCIPLE 01:54.682 --> 01:56.951 HERE ABOUT PROSECUTION OF 01:56.985 --> 01:58.559 POLITICAL ENEMIES. 01:58.560 --> 02:01.428 AND WE HAVE SEEN THE PRESIDENT 02:01.429 --> 02:03.799 WIELD THE APPARATUS OF JUSTICE 02:03.800 --> 02:05.722 AS A KIND OF SHIELD FOR HIS 02:05.723 --> 02:06.496 FRIENDS. 02:06.497 --> 02:09.021 WE HAVE SEEN WILLIAM BARR 02:09.022 --> 02:10.862 INTERVENE IN PROSECUTIONS AND 02:10.897 --> 02:12.399 SENTENCING MEMORANDA CAUSING 02:12.433 --> 02:14.435 PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO RESIGN 02:14.436 --> 02:15.536 IN DISGUST. 02:15.537 --> 02:17.309 WE HAVE SEEN PARDONS. 02:17.310 --> 02:19.308 WE HAVEN’T QUITE GOTTEN TO THE 02:19.309 --> 02:20.767 POINT WHERE WILLIAM BARR GOES 02:20.768 --> 02:22.812 OUT AND PROSECUTES A PERSON THE 02:22.846 --> 02:25.298 PRESIDENT HAS IDENTIFIED AS AN 02:25.332 --> 02:25.818 ENEMY. 02:25.820 --> 02:28.167 HOW WORRIED ARE YOU ABOUT THAT? 02:28.168 --> 02:29.834 HOW DANGEROUS IS THAT? 02:29.836 --> 02:31.946 >> I’M VERY WORRIED ABOUT IT. 02:31.947 --> 02:33.993 THAT’S WHY I DID THE BOOK AND I 02:33.995 --> 02:35.478 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON TO 02:35.479 --> 02:36.344 DISCUSS IT. 02:36.345 --> 02:38.437 I, AS YOU SAY, WORKED FOR THE 02:38.472 --> 02:40.126 LAST AUTHORITARIAN PRESIDENT. 02:40.127 --> 02:42.161 HE WENT TO A DEGREE THAT HE 02:42.162 --> 02:43.473 DIDN’T CROSS OVER. 02:43.507 --> 02:45.645 AND WE WOULDN’T KNOW ABOUT 02:45.646 --> 02:46.939 NIXON’S AUTHORITARIANISM IF WE 02:46.973 --> 02:48.343 HADN’T GOTTEN THE TAPES. 02:48.377 --> 02:51.548 ON THE OTHER HAND, TRUMP IS IN 02:51.549 --> 02:53.265 THE ROSE GARDEN PLAYING ON HIS 02:53.266 --> 02:53.926 AUTHORITARIANISM. 02:53.927 --> 02:57.139 HOW FAR WILL HE TAKE IT? 02:57.140 --> 03:00.139 WE KNOW THAT HE WAS A DEMAGOGUE 03:00.140 --> 03:01.312 CANDIDATE AND HIS 03:01.347 --> 03:02.353 AUTHORITARIANISM HAS BEEN RIGHT 03:02.388 --> 03:02.936 OUTFRONT. 03:02.938 --> 03:05.024 SO IT IS NOT THE AWE 03:05.025 --> 03:06.928 THORNTARIANISM THAT HAS WORRIED 03:06.962 --> 03:10.100 ME AS MUCH AS HOW FAR HIS 03:10.134 --> 03:13.087 FOLLOWERS WILL LET HIM GO WITH 03:13.121 --> 03:14.933 IT AND THAT’S BEEN THE FOCUS ON 03:14.967 --> 03:15.844 THE BOOK. 03:15.845 --> 03:18.266 >> MORE ON THAT IN TERMS OF THE 03:18.300 --> 03:19.845 FACT THAT GIVEN ALL THAT’S 03:19.847 --> 03:22.352 HAPPENED BETWEEN JUST, SAY, THE 03:22.386 --> 03:24.772 LAST TEN MONTHS, THERE IS 03:24.806 --> 03:26.374 185,000 HEADING TOWARDS 190,000 03:26.409 --> 03:27.809 DEAD AMERICANS AND TENS OF 03:27.810 --> 03:29.039 MILLIONS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR 03:29.074 --> 03:30.681 JOB, THE PRESIDENT’S APPROVAL 03:30.716 --> 03:32.917 RATING IS SITTING RIGHT WHERE IT 03:32.951 --> 03:35.083 WAS BEFORE ALL THAT HAPPENED. 03:35.118 --> 03:36.512 >> EXACTLY. 03:36.546 --> 03:39.272 THAT -- THAT APPROVAL RATING IS 03:39.306 --> 03:41.375 VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHO HIS 03:41.376 --> 03:43.734 BASE IS, AND IT REALLY -- IT 03:43.769 --> 03:45.667 GETS NOT MUCH HIGHER THAN 44% 03:45.702 --> 03:48.001 AND IN SOME POLLS NOT MUCH LOWER 03:48.003 --> 03:49.007 THAN 35%. 03:49.041 --> 03:51.087 AND THAT IS HIS CORE BASE. 03:51.121 --> 03:53.264 THAT’S THE -- THAT’S THE CORE OF 03:53.265 --> 03:55.308 OUR BOOK AS WELL, WHERE WE WANT 03:55.309 --> 03:57.078 TO UNDERSTAND WHO THOSE PEOPLE 03:57.079 --> 03:59.142 ARE, WHY THEY HAVE THE ATTITUDES 03:59.144 --> 04:01.288 AND THE TOLERANCE THEY DO, WHY 04:01.323 --> 04:03.841 THEY’RE NOT UPSET WITH HIS NORM 04:03.842 --> 04:05.345 BUSTING ANTIDEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOR 04:05.379 --> 04:07.177 BECAUSE THEY’RE THE ONES WHO ARE 04:07.212 --> 04:08.180 ENABLING HIM. 04:08.181 --> 04:10.359 CHRIS, THEY’RE ALSO GOING TO BE 04:10.361 --> 04:11.445 AROUND IF TRUMP LOSES. 04:11.446 --> 04:12.199 THEY’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 04:12.200 --> 04:13.068 >> RIGHT. 04:13.069 --> 04:14.804 >> SO THEY’RE A PART OF THE 04:14.838 --> 04:16.129 ELECTORATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO 04:16.164 --> 04:17.639 UNDERSTAND AND WE’RE GOING TO 04:17.640 --> 04:19.153 SEE HOW THEY PLAY OUT. 04:19.188 --> 04:21.100 WE THINK NOT FOR THE BETTER. 04:21.101 --> 04:23.427 WE THINK THEY’RE VERY DIFFICULT 04:23.461 --> 04:24.393 TO DEFEAT. 04:24.394 --> 04:27.275 YOU CANNOT PERSUADE THEM EASILY. 04:27.276 --> 04:29.549 THEY DO NOT HAVE HIGH CRITICAL 04:29.583 --> 04:30.303 SKILLS. 04:30.305 --> 04:32.838 THEY CAN HAVE VERY INCONSISTENT 04:32.873 --> 04:33.779 POSITIONS VERY COMFORTABLY. 04:33.814 --> 04:35.207 SO IT IS A DIFFICULT GROUP TO 04:35.241 --> 04:36.024 DEAL WITH. 04:36.058 --> 04:38.460 AND THE ONLY THING THEY 04:38.461 --> 04:39.393 UNDERSTAND IS DEFEAT. 04:39.427 --> 04:40.323 >> YEAH. 04:40.357 --> 04:42.736 I MEAN, I WOULD SAY LIKE THESE 04:42.737 --> 04:44.728 PEOPLE ARE FELLOW CITIZENS WE 04:44.729 --> 04:47.177 HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE IN A 04:47.179 --> 04:48.414 DEMOCRACY WITH THEM, RIGHT? 04:48.448 --> 04:50.009 THERE IS SOMETHING SORT OF -- I 04:50.044 --> 04:51.699 BUMP MY HEAD AGAINST THE SAME 04:51.701 --> 04:53.097 KIND OF LAW, RIGHT, WHICH IS 04:53.098 --> 04:54.775 PARTICULARLY IN THE WAKE OF THE 04:54.810 --> 04:56.133 PANDEMIC TO SEE THIS AND THINK, 04:56.167 --> 04:57.577 GOSH, THERE IS SOMETHING SO 04:57.578 --> 04:58.357 DEEPLY BROKEN HERE. 04:58.391 --> 04:59.580 BUT THERE HAS TO BE. 04:59.581 --> 05:01.310 AND WHEN YOU SAY THEY HAVE TO 05:01.344 --> 05:02.181 UNDERSTAND DEFEAT, I MEAN, 05:02.182 --> 05:03.468 THAT’S KIND OF THE QUESTION 05:03.469 --> 05:06.184 HERE, RIGHT, WHICH IS THAT WILL 05:06.186 --> 05:08.264 THE PRESIDENT USE THE TOOLS OF 05:08.299 --> 05:10.342 THE STATE THROUGH WILLIAM BARR 05:10.376 --> 05:12.157 TO ESSENTIALLY ENSURE THAT YOU 05:12.158 --> 05:14.735 CAN’T ACTUALLY HAVE FREE AND 05:14.736 --> 05:16.637 FAIR ELECTIONS. 05:16.671 --> 05:19.036 >> WELL, THAT’S A HIGH 05:19.037 --> 05:19.901 POSSIBILITY AND PROBABILITY 05:19.935 --> 05:20.731 RIGHT NOW. 05:20.732 --> 05:23.261 WE DISCUSSED BARR IN THE BOOK AS 05:23.263 --> 05:26.683 HE’S ONE OF THE KEY ENABLERS WHO 05:26.717 --> 05:28.725 WE ADDRESSED WITH MIKE PENCE AND 05:28.726 --> 05:29.965 MIKE POMPEO. 05:29.999 --> 05:32.755 THOSE ARE HIS THREE HORSE MEN OF 05:32.756 --> 05:35.092 ENABLING, AND I THINK BARR WILL 05:35.094 --> 05:37.092 PUSH IT AWFULLY FAR. 05:37.093 --> 05:39.798 HE IS DANCING AROUND THE 60 DAY 05:39.833 --> 05:41.473 RULE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF 05:41.474 --> 05:44.303 JUSTICE ABOUT WHEN YOU WILL OR 05:44.304 --> 05:45.918 WILL NOT PROSECUTE SOMEBODY AND 05:45.953 --> 05:48.215 WE’LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HE DOES. 05:48.216 --> 05:50.286 BUT HE OBVIOUSLY HAS GOT THE 05:50.320 --> 05:51.682 PRESIDENT’S WHISTLE WET AND 05:51.717 --> 05:53.200 READY TO HAVE SOME ACTION. 05:53.201 --> 05:55.719 SO SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME. 05:55.720 --> 05:57.291 AND IT’S PURE AUTHORITARIANISM. 05:57.325 --> 05:58.962 AND BARR IS ON THAT TEAM.