WEBVTT 00:06.907 --> 00:09.475 >>> ONE OF THE INDELIBLE IMAGES 00:09.510 --> 00:10.318 >>> ONE OF THE INDELIBLE IMAGES 00:10.319 --> 00:11.935 WE HAVE OF MELANIA TRUMP’S TIME 00:11.937 --> 00:13.507 AS FIRST LADY WHEN THE DAY SHE 00:13.508 --> 00:15.489 BOARDED A PLANE TO GO VISIT 00:15.491 --> 00:17.049 IMMIGRANT KIDS WHO HAD BEEN 00:17.050 --> 00:18.885 SEPARATED FROM THEIR KIDS AT THE 00:18.920 --> 00:21.203 TEXAS BORDER AND WORE THIS GREEN 00:21.238 --> 00:23.511 JACKET THAT SAID ON THE BACK, "I 00:23.513 --> 00:25.584 REALLY DON’T CARE, DO YOU?" 00:25.618 --> 00:27.152 AFTER THAT VISIT, STEPHANIE 00:27.153 --> 00:29.315 WINSTON WOLKOFF IN HER NEW BOOK 00:29.350 --> 00:30.677 RECALLS WHAT SHE SAYS WAS A 00:30.678 --> 00:31.691 70-MINUTE PHONE CALL SHE SAYS 00:31.692 --> 00:32.774 SHE HAS WITH THE FIRST LADY 00:32.809 --> 00:34.271 ABOUT THAT TRIP TO THE BORDER, 00:34.305 --> 00:36.234 AND I JUST WANT TO READ YOU FROM 00:36.235 --> 00:37.713 THAT PART OF THE BOOK. 00:37.714 --> 00:40.110 MS. WINSTON WOLKOFF SAYS, 00:40.111 --> 00:43.432 QUOTING THE FIRST LADY HERE, 00:43.467 --> 00:45.442 THEY ALL WENT CRAZY ABOUT THE 00:45.476 --> 00:46.445 ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY AT THE 00:46.479 --> 00:47.396 BORDER BUT THEY DON’T KNOW 00:47.430 --> 00:48.362 WHAT’S GOING ON. 00:48.363 --> 00:50.454 THE KIDS I MET WERE BROUGHT IN 00:50.455 --> 00:51.653 BY THE COYOTES, THE BAD PEOPLE 00:51.654 --> 00:53.070 THAT WERE TRAFFICKING AND THAT’S 00:53.071 --> 00:54.161 WHY THE KIDS ARE IN THE 00:54.195 --> 00:54.493 SHELTERS. 00:54.527 --> 00:55.772 THEY’RE NOT WITH THEIR PARENTS 00:55.806 --> 00:57.274 AND IT’S SAD. 00:57.308 --> 00:59.785 BUT THE PATROLS TOLD ME THE KIDS 00:59.819 --> 01:01.834 SAID, WOW, I GET A BED. 01:01.869 --> 01:03.535 IT’S MORE THEY HAVE IN THEIR OWN 01:03.570 --> 01:04.485 COUNTRY WHERE THEY SLEEP ON THE 01:04.486 --> 01:05.233 FLOOR. 01:05.267 --> 01:07.237 THEY ARE TAKEN CARE NICELY 01:07.238 --> 01:07.579 THERE. 01:07.580 --> 01:08.908 AND THE MOTHERS, THEY TEACH 01:08.909 --> 01:11.694 THEIR KIDS TO SAY I AM GOING TO 01:11.696 --> 01:12.871 BE KILLED BY GANGS SO THEY’RE 01:12.905 --> 01:13.389 ALLOWED TO STAY. 01:13.424 --> 01:15.068 THEY’RE USING THAT LINE AND IT’S 01:15.069 --> 01:17.058 NOT TRUE. 01:17.060 --> 01:18.940 READING THAT QUOTE FROM THE 01:18.974 --> 01:21.467 FIRST LADY ALOUD IS A GUT PUNCH 01:21.501 --> 01:23.430 ALL OF ITS OWN, BUT STEPHANIE 01:23.464 --> 01:24.604 WINSTON WOLKOFF QUOTES THIS 01:24.606 --> 01:25.957 DIRECTLY AND SAYS THESE ARE THE 01:25.991 --> 01:27.224 WORDS OF THE FIRST LADY. 01:27.226 --> 01:28.901 BACK WITH US ONCE MORE FOR THE 01:28.936 --> 01:30.191 INTERVIEW IS STEPHANIE WOLKOFF. 01:30.225 --> 01:31.675 SHE’S A FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO 01:31.677 --> 01:33.210 FIRST LADY MELANIA TRUMP. 01:33.211 --> 01:34.969 HER NEW BOOK IS CALLED "MELANIA 01:34.970 --> 01:35.544 AND ME." 01:35.545 --> 01:36.702 IT’S ABOUT HER FRIENDSHIP WITH 01:36.737 --> 01:38.510 THE FIRST LADY AND HER 01:38.544 --> 01:39.572 INVOLVEMENT IN THE TRUMP 01:39.573 --> 01:40.126 INAUGURATION. 01:40.160 --> 01:42.467 MS. WINSTON WOLKOFF, THANKS 01:42.501 --> 01:43.886 AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. 01:43.887 --> 01:46.302 I JUST HAVE TO ASK YOU IF -- 01:46.303 --> 01:48.285 SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE 01:48.286 --> 01:49.477 A VERBATIM QUOTE FROM THE FIRST 01:49.478 --> 01:50.022 LADY? 01:50.023 --> 01:51.816 THESE ARE SEEMINGLY PRETTY 01:51.817 --> 01:53.358 INSENSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE 01:53.359 --> 01:54.997 KIDS SHE MET AT THE BORDER. 01:54.998 --> 01:56.838 >> RACHEL, THERE’S NO WAY TO 01:56.872 --> 01:58.612 FABRICATE ANY OF MY STORY. 01:58.646 --> 01:59.891 AND THE ONLY WAY TO TELL THE 01:59.925 --> 02:03.562 STORY IS TO SAY IT EXACTLY AS IT 02:03.596 --> 02:04.424 WAS. 02:04.426 --> 02:08.185 THE FACT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS 02:08.186 --> 02:13.421 TRYING TO DISPARAGE ME AND CLAIM 02:13.422 --> 02:15.160 MY CHARACTER IS ANYTHING BUT 02:15.161 --> 02:17.451 WHAT I KNOW -- AGAIN, A 02:17.485 --> 02:18.220 RESPECTFUL PERSON. 02:18.254 --> 02:21.514 IT’S ONLY GOING TO HAVE ME 02:21.515 --> 02:23.771 DISCUSS MORE AND MORE THE TRUTH, 02:23.773 --> 02:25.556 THE FACTS, AND THEY’RE ALL 02:25.591 --> 02:27.481 EITHER IN SOME TYPE OF, YOU 02:27.515 --> 02:29.335 KNOW, SEMBLANCE THAT HAS 100% 02:29.336 --> 02:30.440 BACKING. 02:30.441 --> 02:34.466 I WOULD NEVER DO THAT OTHERWISE. 02:34.500 --> 02:36.699 >> THERE’S BEEN SOME REPORTING 02:36.733 --> 02:37.948 -- PUBLIC SOURCED REPORTING 02:37.949 --> 02:39.219 AROUND YOUR BOOK THAT SAYS THAT 02:39.220 --> 02:41.490 PART OF THE WAY THAT YOU CAN 02:41.492 --> 02:43.802 BACK UP SOME OF THESE VERBATIM 02:43.803 --> 02:46.197 QUOTES AND SOME OF THESE 02:46.232 --> 02:47.705 EXTENSIVE DETAILED ANECDOTES IS 02:47.740 --> 02:49.238 YOU DO HAVE SOME RECORDINGS OF 02:49.239 --> 02:50.572 SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. 02:50.573 --> 02:52.363 CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT AT ALL? 02:52.397 --> 02:54.577 >> SO, RACHEL, I -- I HAVEN’T 02:54.611 --> 02:55.713 COMMENTED ON THE PAST. 02:55.714 --> 02:57.206 AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I’M 02:57.207 --> 02:58.505 GOING TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU 02:58.506 --> 03:00.624 THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE I’VE 03:00.625 --> 03:02.161 BEEN ACCUSED OF TAPING MY 03:02.163 --> 03:03.511 FRIEND, AS THE WHITE HOUSE SAID, 03:03.512 --> 03:05.006 AND HOW HORRIBLE OF A HUMAN 03:05.007 --> 03:06.485 BEING I AM FOR DOING THAT. 03:06.486 --> 03:07.507 AND THEY’RE RIGHT. 03:07.541 --> 03:12.089 IF I -- IF SHE WAS MY FRIEND, I 03:12.123 --> 03:14.031 WOULD BE HORRIBLE, BUT MELANIA 03:14.065 --> 03:16.732 AND THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE ACCUSED 03:16.766 --> 03:18.672 ME OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 03:18.673 --> 03:21.447 HAD PUBLICLY SHAMED AND FIRED ME 03:21.449 --> 03:23.159 AND MADE ME THEIR SCAPEGOAT. 03:23.193 --> 03:25.670 AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THAT’S 03:25.672 --> 03:27.922 WHEN I PRESSED RECORD. 03:27.923 --> 03:31.012 SHE WAS NO LONGER MY FRIEND. 03:31.013 --> 03:34.171 AND SHE WAS WILLING TO LET THEM 03:34.205 --> 03:35.747 TAKE ME DOWN AND SHE TOLD ME 03:35.748 --> 03:38.076 HERSELF THAT IS -- THIS IS THE 03:38.111 --> 03:39.793 WAY IT HAS TO BE. 03:39.794 --> 03:41.203 SHE WAS ADD VIED BY THE 03:41.237 --> 03:42.404 ATTORNEYS AT THE WHITE HOUSE 03:42.438 --> 03:43.831 THAT THERE WAS NO OTHER CHOICE 03:43.832 --> 03:44.751 BECAUSE THERE WAS A POSSIBLE 03:44.752 --> 03:45.433 INVESTIGATION INTO THE 03:45.467 --> 03:47.090 PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATION 03:47.091 --> 03:47.343 COMMITTEE. 03:47.344 --> 03:49.757 AND THAT’S NOT HOW YOU TREAT A 03:49.791 --> 03:50.072 FRIEND. 03:50.073 --> 03:52.269 SO I WAS GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN 03:52.304 --> 03:55.628 MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS 03:55.662 --> 03:56.060 PROTECTED. 03:56.094 --> 03:58.036 AND AT FIRST I REALLY DID THINK 03:58.037 --> 03:59.720 MAYBE SHE WOULD COME TO MY AID. 03:59.721 --> 04:00.687 MAYBE SHE WOULD TELL THE TRUTH. 04:00.688 --> 04:03.294 SHE TURNED HER BACK. 04:03.295 --> 04:04.019 SHE DID. 04:04.054 --> 04:05.394 SHE FOLDED LIKE A DECK OF CARDS 04:05.428 --> 04:09.368 AND I WAS SHOCKED WHEN SHE DID 04:09.402 --> 04:10.056 IT. 04:10.090 --> 04:13.933 >> ARE YOU SAYING, MS. WOLKOFF, 04:13.967 --> 04:14.531 THAT 04:14.566 --> 04:17.632 >> ARE YOU SAYING AT THAT POINT 04:17.667 --> 04:19.741 YOU DECIDED IN ORDER TO PROTECT 04:19.776 --> 04:21.568 YOURSELF THAT YOU -- THAT YOU 04:21.569 --> 04:22.983 WOULD MAKE RECORDINGS OF SOME OF 04:23.017 --> 04:24.059 YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 04:24.060 --> 04:25.816 FIRST LADY OR THAT YOU DID? 04:25.850 --> 04:29.147 >> I DID, RACHEL. 04:29.148 --> 04:30.849 I DID. 04:30.850 --> 04:33.291 AND, AGAIN, IT’S DISGRACEFUL IN 04:33.325 --> 04:35.824 ANY OTHER CONTEXT, BUT WHO WOULD 04:35.825 --> 04:38.484 BELIEVE ANY OF THIS OTHERWISE? 04:38.519 --> 04:41.006 YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS UP. 04:41.008 --> 04:42.438 BUT, AGAIN, I NEEDED THE 04:42.472 --> 04:43.199 EVIDENCE. 04:43.234 --> 04:45.022 I NEEDED THE EVIDENCE. 04:45.056 --> 04:47.123 >> IF THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES 04:47.158 --> 04:49.368 TO CALL YOU A LIAR AND SAY THAT 04:49.369 --> 04:50.591 YOU HAVE MADE UP THESE 04:50.625 --> 04:51.680 CONVERSATIONS, AND THAT THESE 04:51.715 --> 04:53.077 THINGS YOU ARE ATTRIBUTING TO 04:53.079 --> 04:54.705 THE FIRST LADY OR THE PRESIDENT 04:54.740 --> 04:55.784 ARE THINGS THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, 04:55.819 --> 04:57.437 DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO RELEASE 04:57.471 --> 04:59.420 THOSE TAPES TO THE PUBLIC OR TO 04:59.454 --> 05:01.032 SHOW THEM -- PLAY THEM FOR 05:01.066 --> 05:03.259 REPORTERS SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE 05:03.294 --> 05:06.990 CAN VALIDATE WHAT YOU’RE SAYING? 05:06.991 --> 05:09.995 >> UMM, THERE IS A REPORT COMING 05:10.030 --> 05:10.486 OUT. 05:10.488 --> 05:12.288 AGAIN, FULL DISCLOSURE, I’M NOT 05:12.322 --> 05:15.099 GOING TO LIE ABOUT IT, I’M GOING 05:15.100 --> 05:17.248 TO TELL YOU, I HAVE -- I HAVE 05:17.250 --> 05:20.162 ADMITTED THERE IS A REPORT 05:20.196 --> 05:22.886 COMING OUT THAT I DID PLAY IT 05:22.921 --> 05:24.382 PRIVATELY, BECAUSE OF -- TO 05:24.416 --> 05:26.814 JUSTIFY I DID HAVE IT AND WHAT 05:26.815 --> 05:28.483 IT DID SAY IN HER OWN VOICE. 05:28.517 --> 05:30.773 AGAIN, THE MORE THEY CONTINUE TO 05:30.774 --> 05:32.337 COME AFTER ME, AND, AGAIN, THE 05:32.371 --> 05:35.738 MORE THEY CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT WHAT THEY’VE SAID, DONE AND DO, 05:35.740 --> 05:38.404 WHAT THEY’VE SAID, DONE AND DO, 05:38.439 --> 05:43.771 THE MORE I WILL CONTINUE TO 05:43.772 --> 05:45.516 PROVE THEIR CLAIMS FALSE. 05:45.550 --> 05:47.493 THE LAST THING THEY SHOULD BE 05:47.528 --> 05:49.411 DOING IS COMING AFTER ME. 05:49.446 --> 05:51.111 I WANTED TO WRITE THIS BOOK AND 05:51.112 --> 05:52.631 COME ON. 05:52.666 --> 05:55.450 OF COURSE THEY’RE GOING TO -- I 05:55.484 --> 05:57.472 EXPECTED THEM TO SAY SHE IS THIS 05:57.473 --> 05:58.280 AND THAT. 05:58.315 --> 06:00.592 BUT THEY HAVE GONE ON WAY TOO 06:00.593 --> 06:02.095 LONG AND I’M NOT GOING TO LET 06:02.096 --> 06:07.616 THEM TAKE MY INTEGRITY AWAY 06:07.650 --> 06:08.268 ANYMORE. 06:08.269 --> 06:11.186 >> STEPHANIE WINSTON, FORMER 06:11.220 --> 06:14.859 SENIOR ADVISER TO MELANIA TRUMP, 06:14.860 --> 06:16.848 KEY FIGURE IN THE TRUMP 06:16.849 --> 06:17.225 INAUGURAL. 06:17.227 --> 06:19.998 I KNOW THIS IS HARD STUFF TO 06:19.999 --> 06:22.080 TALK ABOUT, AND I KNOW THIS BOOK 06:22.114 --> 06:23.769 WAS HARD TO WRITE, I KNOW 06:23.803 --> 06:24.454 BECAUSE I READ EVERY WORD OF IT.