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SECRETARY FOR THREAT PREVENTION

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AND SECURITY.

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SO I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU

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DURING THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION

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AND CAME BARRELING OUT OF THE

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GATES WITH HOW DID YOU STAY WHEN

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SOME OF THE MOST HEINOUS AND

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HEART WRENCHING POLICIES WERE

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COMING OUT OF YOUR DEPARTMENT.

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YOU ANSWERED IT VERY CALMLY, BUT

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I WANT TO ASK WHAT MADE YOU

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LEAVE?

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THAT WAS THE STAYING SIDE.

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WHAT PUSHED YOU OUT THE DOOR

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ONCE AND FOR ALL?

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>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK ON.

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I THOUGHT IT WAS A FAIR QUESTION

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YOU ASKED, AND ONE THAT NEEDS TO

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BE ANSWERED IN ORDER FOR VIEWERS

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AND PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE

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PERSPECTIVE AND WHY I’M SPEAKING

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OUT NOW.

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BUT IT WAS PROBABLY SOME TIME

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AROUND SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OF

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LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD FINISHED

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PUTTING THE STRATEGY TOGETHER TO

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COUNTERTERRORISM AND TARGETED

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VIOLENCE WHICH IS THE FIRST

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STRATEGY THAT THE FEDERAL

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GOVERNMENT HAD ISSUED BY ANY

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DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY THAT CALLED

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OUT WHITE SUPREMACY AND

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ANTI-GOVERNMENT EXTREMISM AS A

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RISING THREAT ON PAR WITH ISIS.

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THE FBI LATER AGREED WITH US

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ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER, AND NOW

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THANKFULLY THE COUNTERTERRORISM

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COMMUNITY IS GOING AFTER THIS

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THREAT.

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AT LEAST AT THEIR LEVEL.

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BUT AROUND THAT FALL, I FINALLY

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HAD TIME TO LOOK UP.

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WE HAD MADE SOME PROGRESS.

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SOMEONE ASKED, ARE YOU GOING TO

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VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN AND IT CAUSED

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ME TO REALIZE VERY QUICKLY, NO,

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I CAN’T VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN.

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SO IT MADE IT CLEAR TO ME I

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NEEDED TO FIND A WAY TO DEPART

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GRACEFULLY HAVE A TRANSITION

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PLAN.

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WE RAN A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT

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PROGRAMS AND WE NEEDED TO MAKE

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SURE WE’RE CONTINUING AND

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PROPERLY STEWARDED.

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SO THAT’S WHEN I DECIDED I

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NEEDED TO LEAVE.

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>> AND THE FBI IS ALSO

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DETERMINED THAT WHITE

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NATIONALISTS DRIVEN DOMESTIC

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TERRORISM IS THE GREATEST

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TERRORISM THREAT, NOW ALMOST

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EXACTLY 20 YEARS AFTER 9/11.

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I WORKED IN AN ADMINISTRATION

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WHERE IT WAS FOREIGN PLOTS THAT

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WERE THE GREATEST THREAT.

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AND I CAN’T IMAGINE BEING A PART

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OF AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS

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ROWING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE

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PEOPLE WHO THREATEN US.

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IT SOUND LIKE YOU’RE SAYING

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PRESIDENT TRUMP IS MESSAGEWISE

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AND IDEOLOGICALLY ALIGNED WITH

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SOME OF OUR GREATEST THREATS.

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IS THAT RIGHT?

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>> YES.

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I MEAN, THIS IS COMPLEX.

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IT’S HARD TO DO IN A TWO-MINUTE

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SEGMENT, BUT I WORKED WITH YOU,

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NICOLLE --

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>> TAKE YOUR TIME.

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IT’S IMPORTANT.

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>> SO I REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT

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LIKE TO BE SO UNIFIED IN OUR

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FOCUS ON AL QAEDA, DESCRIBING

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WHAT THE THREAT WAS, EXPLAINING

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IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND

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BEING HONEST ABOUT WHERE OUR

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FAILURES WERE IN GOVERNMENT AND

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DESIGNING, UPDATING OUR POLICIES

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OR LAWS OR TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO

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GO AFTER THAT THREAT.

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WHEN WE CAME IN IN 2017, WE WERE

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STILL FOCUSED ON ISIS.

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AND IT TOOK US AWHILE TO REALIZE

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THAT AS STEVE QUOTED THAT

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CHARLOTTESVILLE WAS MORE THAN A

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BLIP.

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CERTAINLY THAT CHARLOTTESVILLE

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MOMENT WHEN YOU HAD PEOPLE NOT

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HIDING IN THE SHADOWS ESPOUSING

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THIS IDEOLOGY BUT OUT WITH THEIR

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FACES UNCOVERED AND HAPPY, PROUD

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TO ESPOUSE THIS HATEFUL

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IDEOLOGY, IT CERTAINLY CAUSED

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ALL OF US TO PAUSE AND SAY

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SOMETHING SHIFTED.

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SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT HERE.

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AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT

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FEW YEARS WE AT THE DEPARTMENT,

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MANY SECRETARIES, WE’VE HAD FIVE

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IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT

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STARTING WITH SECRETARY KELLY,

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THEN NIELSEN, SECRETARY M

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McALEENAN.

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ALL OF THEM WENT TO THE WHITE

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HOUSE AND SAID THIS IS

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IMPORTANT.

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WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.

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FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS WE WERE

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REBUFFED.

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IT WASN’T EXACTLY CLEAR WHY WE

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WERE REBUFFED.

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SOME OF IT MAY JUST BE, AS YOU

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CAN APPRECIATE, THERE ARE MANY

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POLICY PRIORITIES ON THE

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NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL’S

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AGENDA.

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COUNTERING IRAN WAS IMPORTANT.

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DEFEATING ISIS WAS IMPORTANT.

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SO THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME

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LEGITIMATE REASON YES WE WERE

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INITIALLY REBUFFED.

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BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE

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ATTACK IN PITTSBURGH IN OCTOBER

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OF 2018 AND THEN EVEN MORE

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STUNNINGLY THE CHRISTCHURCH

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ATTACK IN MARCH OF 2019 AND WHAT

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HE HAD FEARED WHAT WE KNEW WAS

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INCREASINGLY GLOBALIZED WAS ON

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THE WORLD STAMGGE.

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IT’S A GLOBALIZED WHITE

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SUPREMACIST MOVEMENT.

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THE U.S. IS AN EXPORTER OF THIS

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MOVEMENT, AND THE WORLD WAS

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COMING TO US AND ASKING US AND

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THE U.S. TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT

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IT BECAUSE WE WERE MAKING THEIR

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COUNTRIES LESS SAFE.

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AT LEAST AT THAT MOMENT, I WOULD

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HAVE EXPECTED THE ADMINISTRATION

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TO HONE IN ON THIS AND FOCUS ON

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IT WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF

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INTENSITY THAT THE FEDERAL

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GOVERNMENT HAD FOCUSED ON ISIS

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AND AL QAEDA BEFORE IT.

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BUT I DIDN’T SEE THAT HAPPEN.

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AND I’M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD

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STRONG LEADERS AT THE

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DEPARTMENT, AT FBI, AT THE

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NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM

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CENTER, AND WE WORK THIS ISSUE

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AT MY LEVEL AND AT LEVELS

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HIGHER.

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WE DROVE PROGRESS.

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WE ARE SAFER TODAY BECAUSE OF

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THE WORK THAT’S BEEN DONE OVER

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THE LAST FEW YEARS.

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BUT THERE IS NO MISTAKING WHEN

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YOU FACE A GRAVE THREAT LIKE

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THIS, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THERE

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TO BE CLARITY FROM THE TOP.

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AND THE FACT THE PRESIDENT WILL

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NOT CALL IT OUT, I FIND IT

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HUGELY IRONIC THAT HE’S HAPPY TO

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USE THE TERM DOMESTIC TERRORISM

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WHICH HE REFUSED TO USE LAST

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YEAR AFTER EL PASO.

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NOW HE’LL USE IT WITH REGARDS TO

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ANTIFA WHICH I WORKED FOR THREE

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YEARS, RECEIVED INTELLIGENCE

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BRIEFINGS EVERY DAY.

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NEVER ONCE WAS I TOLD THAT

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ANTIFA WAS A GRAVE NATIONAL

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SECURITY THREAT.

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THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY’RE NOT A

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PROBLEM.

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THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THEY

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DON’T HAVE A PROPOSE A RISK IN

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CERTAIN COMMUNITIES THAT LOCAL

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LAW ENFORCEMENT NEED TO FOCUS

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ON, BUT THEY WEREN’T AT THAT

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NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE WE WERE

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CONCERNED THAT THEY WERE GOING

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TO CAUSE WIDESPREAD, LETHAL

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VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE, WHICH

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IS A THREAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT

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HISTORIC DATA OF THE RIGHT WING

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EXTREMIST MOVEMENT.

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THAT IS WHERE WE SEE THE MOST

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PEOPLE BEING KILLED.

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PEOPLE WITH AN ANTI-GOVERNMENT

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OR WHITE NATIONALIST VIEWPOINT