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AXIOS REPORTER ALEXI McHAMMOND

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JOINS US.

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AND MARK LEIBOVICH JOINS US AS

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WELL.

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>> JOHN HEILEMAN, A COUPLE OF

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THINGS TO TAKE FROM DONALD

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TRUMP’S INTERVIEW WITH LAURA

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LAST NIGHT.

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ONE, FIRST OF ALL, HE MADE THE

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MISTAKE OF TELLING THE TRUTH AT

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THE BEGINNING --

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>> WHOOPS.

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>> WHEN HE SAID THIS HAS BEEN

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GOING ON IN PORTLAND FOR YEARS.

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AND IT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN

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PORTLAND FOR YEARS.

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WORSE IN THE LAST 90 DAYS,

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RIGHT.

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BUT THEN YOU GET TO THE HEART OF

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THE MATTER AS WE’RE GOING

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THROUGH A LOT OF ’80s SONGS

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WE’LL DO THE DON HENLEY ONE

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THERE.

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HE THEN COMPARES THE SHOOTING OF

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A BLACK MAN SEVEN TIMES IN THE

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BACK WITH A PUTTER CHOKING ON A

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3-FOOT PUTT.

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AND THEN HE SAYS -- TALKS ABOUT

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POOR PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE

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SUBURBS AND BRINGING CRIME.

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WHAT HE -- HE SAID, LOW INCOME

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HOUSING YOU HAVE A LOT OF

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PROBLEMS, CRIME A LEVEL OF

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VIOLENCE THAT YOU DON’T SEE, AND

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THEN, OF COURSE, THE MONEY LINE,

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THE POLL QUOTE WAS WHEN HE

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STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DANGER

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OF WOMEN.

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THE OLD STANDARD 1870s WE’VE GOT

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TO PROTECT OUR WHITE WOMEN FROM

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BLACK PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHAT HE

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SAID.

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>> YES.

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>> SO THIS ISN’T EVEN 1950s

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BIGOTRY.

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HE’S GOING BACK TO THE 1800s

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HERE.

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SO MUCH SO THAT LAURA INGRAM IS

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TRYING TO WALK HIM THROUGH THIS.

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BUT THE ENTIRE THING IS SO

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EXTRAORDINARILY OFFENSIVE AND

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RETRO GRADE THAT I JUST -- I

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HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CENTURY THIS

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MAN IS FROM AND HOW HE THINKS

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THAT SORT OF TALK WINS

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ELECTIONS.

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>> YEAH, GOOD MORNING, JOE,

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MIKA, HI.

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>> HI.

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>> I THINK IT’S EASY, JOE, MAYBE

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TO MISS.

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I MEAN, THE HOUSING ONE, WHICH

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IS OBVIOUSLY IN LINE WITH HIS

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THINKING ABOUT THIS.

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HE’S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, THE

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WHOLE DESTRUCTION OF THE

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SUBURBS, LOW INCOME HOUSING IS

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GOING TO DESTROY THE SUBURBS HE

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MADE MOVES ON POLICY CONSISTENT

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WITH THIS, REFLECTIVE OF HIS

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RACISM AND IT’S OUTFRONT.

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THE POOR PEOPLE HOUSING -- THAT

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POOR PEOPLE -- LOW INCOME HOMES

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COME TO THE SUBURBS AND DESTROYS

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THE 1950s NOTION OF THE WHITE

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SUBURBS.

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WE HEARD THIS FROM HIM BEFORE

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AND THIS IS AN EXTREME VERSION.

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WHEN YOU HAVE LAURA INGRAM

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HAVING TO THROW YOU A LIFELINE

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ON YOUR RACISM, YOU KNOW YOU’RE

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IN TROUBLE.

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THAT’S WHEN IT’S TIME TO CASH

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OUT ON LIFE.

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THE GOLF THING IS SO GROTESQUE

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IT’S EASY TO MISS THE RACISM IN

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IT BY THE WAY.

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HE’S EQUATING THE VALUE OF AN

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UNARMED BLACK MAN’S LIFE WITH

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THAT OF A GOLF PUTT.

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HE’S SAYING THE LEVEL OF INJURY

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A GOLFER, HISTORICALLY WHITE

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SPORT, A GOLFER MISSING A 3-FOOT

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PUTT IS EQUIVALENT IN THE HARM

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IT CAUSES, WHAT’S AT STAKE

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THERE, AS THE LIFE OF AN UNARMED

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BLACK MAN THAT’S SHOT IN THE

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BACK SEVEN TIMES.

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IF YOU FOCUS ON IT, THAT’S A

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THING NOT COMPLETELY OBVIOUS HOW

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RACIST IT IS UNTIL YOU THINK IT

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THROUGH.

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HE’S GETTING TO THE POINT NOW HE

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CAN’T CONTROL THESE ERUPTIONS OF

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THE NAKEDNESS OF HIS RACISM.

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AGAIN, ALL THROUGH THAT

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INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT, THERE WAS

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ANOTHER INCREDIBLE EXCHANGE WITH

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LAURA INGRAM ABOUT DARK FORCES

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ON AIRPLANES FLYING TO THE

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CONVENTION DRESSED IN BLACK, A

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LOT OF REFERENCES TO BLACK IN

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THE DISCUSSION WHO WERE COMING

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ALLEGEDLY TO WASHINGTON TO

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DISRUPT HIS CONVENTION, WHICH I

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THINK WAS STOLEN FROM SOME

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DISCREDITED FACEBOOK MEME.

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HIS RACISM NOW IS SO DESPERATE

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THAT HE’S NOT EVEN TRYING TO

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CLOAK HIS RACISM IN THE WAY HE

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USED TO TRY A LITTLE BIT TO

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SPEAK IN CODE.

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HE’S NOW GONE ALL OUT, STRAIGHT