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"AMERICAN CARNAGE ON THE FRONT
LINES OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

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LINES OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR
AND THE RISE OF PRESIDENT DONALD

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AND THE RISE OF PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP ".

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TRUMP ".
>>> BACK TO THE BREAKING NEWS WE

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>>> BACK TO THE BREAKING NEWS WE
MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, THE

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MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, THE
UNREDACTED SEARCH WARRANTS PAID

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UNREDACTED SEARCH WARRANTS PAID
TO HUTCH MONEY PAYMENTS BY

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TO HUTCH MONEY PAYMENTS BY
DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER FIXER TO

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DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER FIXER TO
PORN STAR STORMY DANIELS, THOSE

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PORN STAR STORMY DANIELS, THOSE
DOCUMENTS JUST POSTED ONLINE.

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DOCUMENTS JUST POSTED ONLINE.
TOM WINTER NBC NEWS

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TOM WINTER NBC NEWS
INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT HAS

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INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT HAS
BEEN COMBING THROUGH THEM OVER

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BEEN COMBING THROUGH THEM OVER
THE LAST FEW MINUTES.

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THE LAST FEW MINUTES.
MIA WILEY, MSNBC ANALYST JOINS

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MIA WILEY, MSNBC ANALYST JOINS
MET.

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MET.
TOM, I KNOW YOU’VE HAD A FEW

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TOM, I KNOW YOU’VE HAD A FEW
MINUTES TO START SIFTING

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MINUTES TO START SIFTING
THROUGH.

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THROUGH.
WHAT DO YOU SEE SO FAR?

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WHAT DO YOU SEE SO FAR?
>> SO, CRAIG, BOTTOM LINE IS

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>> SO, CRAIG, BOTTOM LINE IS
THERE’S ABOUT 20 PAGES OF

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THERE’S ABOUT 20 PAGES OF
UNREDACTED MATERIALS THAT LAY

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UNREDACTED MATERIALS THAT LAY
OUT WHY THE FBI SHOULD BE ABLE

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OUT WHY THE FBI SHOULD BE ABLE
TO SEARCH MICHAEL COHEN’S

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TO SEARCH MICHAEL COHEN’S
PROPERTIES AND ELECTRONIC

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PROPERTIES AND ELECTRONIC
DEVICES AND BE ABLE TO PUT

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DEVICES AND BE ABLE TO PUT
TOGETHER A CASE.

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TOGETHER A CASE.
HAD IS THE FBI’S AFFIDAVIT TO

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HAD IS THE FBI’S AFFIDAVIT TO
THE JUDGE SAYING, HEY, WE

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THE JUDGE SAYING, HEY, WE
BELIEVE WE HAVE REASON, PROBABLE

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BELIEVE WE HAVE REASON, PROBABLE
CAUSE, IT’S CALLED A PROBABLE

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CAUSE, IT’S CALLED A PROBABLE
CAUSE AFFIDAVIT TO BE ABLE TO DO

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CAUSE AFFIDAVIT TO BE ABLE TO DO
THESE SEARCHES.

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THESE SEARCHES.
AND WHAT WE’RE GETTING NOW IS

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AND WHAT WE’RE GETTING NOW IS
NOT NEW INFORMATION IN THAT

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NOT NEW INFORMATION IN THAT
THESE PAYMENTS OCCURRED, THAT

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THESE PAYMENTS OCCURRED, THAT
MICHAEL COHEN WAS INVOLVED, THAT

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MICHAEL COHEN WAS INVOLVED, THAT
AMERICAN MEDIA, THE PUBLISHER OF

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AMERICAN MEDIA, THE PUBLISHER OF
THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" WAS

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THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" WAS
INVOLVED, WE’VE KNOWN ALL THAT

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INVOLVED, WE’VE KNOWN ALL THAT
SINCE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.

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SINCE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
WHAT WE’RE GETTING TODAY SAY

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WHAT WE’RE GETTING TODAY SAY
SNIPPET OF HOW INVOLVED THE

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SNIPPET OF HOW INVOLVED THE
PRESIDENT WAS WHEN HE WAS THEN

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PRESIDENT WAS WHEN HE WAS THEN
CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP.

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CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP.
THIS COMES FROM THE DOCUMENT.

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THIS COMES FROM THE DOCUMENT.
THIS IS THE FBI AGENT WRITING.

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THIS IS THE FBI AGENT WRITING.
IT SAYS I HAVE LEARNED IN THE

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IT SAYS I HAVE LEARNED IN THE
DAYS FOLLOWING THE ACCESS

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DAYS FOLLOWING THE ACCESS
HOLLYWOOD VIDEO COHEN EXCHANGED

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HOLLYWOOD VIDEO COHEN EXCHANGED
A SERIES OF CALLS, TEXT

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A SERIES OF CALLS, TEXT
MESSAGES, AND EMAILS WITH KEITH

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MESSAGES, AND EMAILS WITH KEITH
DAVIDSON, AT THE TIME HE WAS

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DAVIDSON, AT THE TIME HE WAS
STORMY DANIELS’ ATTORNEY.

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STORMY DANIELS’ ATTORNEY.
DAVID PECKER AND DYLAN HOWARD OF

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DAVID PECKER AND DYLAN HOWARD OF
AMERICAN MEDIA, THE PUBLISHER OF

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AMERICAN MEDIA, THE PUBLISHER OF
THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER."

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THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER."
DONALD TRUMP AND HOPE HICKS WHO

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DONALD TRUMP AND HOPE HICKS WHO
WAS PRESS SECOND FOR TRUMP’S

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WAS PRESS SECOND FOR TRUMP’S
CAMPAIGN.

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CAMPAIGN.
HE CONTINUES WRITING SAYING

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HE CONTINUES WRITING SAYING
BASED ON THE TIMING OF THESE

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BASED ON THE TIMING OF THESE
CALLS AND THE CONTENT OF THE

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CALLS AND THE CONTENT OF THE
TEXT MESS AND EMAILS I BELIEVE

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TEXT MESS AND EMAILS I BELIEVE
SOME OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS

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SOME OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS
CONCERNED THE NEED TO PREVENT

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CONCERNED THE NEED TO PREVENT
CLIFFORD, STEPHANIE CLIFFORD

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CLIFFORD, STEPHANIE CLIFFORD
THAT STORMY DANIELS’ LEGAL NAME,

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THAT STORMY DANIELS’ LEGAL NAME,
FROM GOING PUBLIC.

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FROM GOING PUBLIC.
PARTICULARLY IN THE WAKE OF THE

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PARTICULARLY IN THE WAKE OF THE
ACCESS HOLLYWOOD STORY.

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ACCESS HOLLYWOOD STORY.
IT CONTINUES TO DESCRIBE A

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IT CONTINUES TO DESCRIBE A
SERIES OF PHONE CALLS THAT

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SERIES OF PHONE CALLS THAT
OCCURRED STARTING OCTOBER 8th.

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OCCURRED STARTING OCTOBER 8th.
THERE WERE PHONE CALLS THAT

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THERE WERE PHONE CALLS THAT
COHEN HAD RECEIVED FROM HOPE

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COHEN HAD RECEIVED FROM HOPE
HICKS AND THEN AT SOME POINT

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HICKS AND THEN AT SOME POINT
THEY GET DONALD TRUMP ON THE

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THEY GET DONALD TRUMP ON THE
PHONE FOR OVER FOUR MINUTES,

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PHONE FOR OVER FOUR MINUTES,
ACCORDING TO TOLL RECORDS THAT

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ACCORDING TO TOLL RECORDS THAT
THE NIB WASFBI WAS ABLE TO GET F

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THE NIB WASFBI WAS ABLE TO GET F
MICHAEL COHEN’S PHONE.

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MICHAEL COHEN’S PHONE.
THEY’RE NOT SAYING THEY HAVE

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THEY’RE NOT SAYING THEY HAVE
DONALD TRUMP’S PHONE BUT MICHAEL

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DONALD TRUMP’S PHONE BUT MICHAEL
COHEN’S PHONE.

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COHEN’S PHONE.
THEN THERE WERE A SERIES OF

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THEN THERE WERE A SERIES OF
CALLS MADE BETWEEN COHEN AND

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CALLS MADE BETWEEN COHEN AND
HICKS, AT LEAST SEVERAL TIMES,

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HICKS, AT LEAST SEVERAL TIMES,
AND THEY WERE FOLLOWING

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AND THEY WERE FOLLOWING
CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED

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CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED
BETWEEN COHEN AND PEOPLE AT THE

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BETWEEN COHEN AND PEOPLE AT THE
"NATIONAL ENQUIRER" AS WELL AS

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"NATIONAL ENQUIRER" AS WELL AS
THE PRESIDENT.

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THE PRESIDENT.
THERE WERE SEVERAL CALLS THAT

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THERE WERE SEVERAL CALLS THAT
OCCURRED.

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OCCURRED.
BOTTOM LINE HERE, CRAIG, NOTHING

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BOTTOM LINE HERE, CRAIG, NOTHING
CHANGES THE FACT WHETHER OR NOT

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CHANGES THE FACT WHETHER OR NOT
THERE WAS A SCHEME IN PLAY, AS

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THERE WAS A SCHEME IN PLAY, AS
PROSECUTORS PUT IT, TO PAY

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PROSECUTORS PUT IT, TO PAY
STORMY DANIELS’ SILENCE.

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STORMY DANIELS’ SILENCE.
WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL COHEN WAS

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WHETHER OR NOT MICHAEL COHEN WAS
INVOLVED, WHETHER OR NOT THE

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INVOLVED, WHETHER OR NOT THE
"NATIONAL ENQUIRER" WERE

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"NATIONAL ENQUIRER" WERE
INVOLVED.

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INVOLVED.
BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE WHO

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BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE WHO
MICHAEL COHEN IDENTIFIED AS THE

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MICHAEL COHEN IDENTIFIED AS THE
PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED AND IT’S

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PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED AND IT’S
DETAILED HERE.

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DETAILED HERE.
IT’S NOT BASED JUST ON MICHAEL

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IT’S NOT BASED JUST ON MICHAEL
COHEN’S WORD.

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COHEN’S WORD.
I THINK THAT’S AN IMPORTANT

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I THINK THAT’S AN IMPORTANT
REVELATION FROM TODAY’S

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REVELATION FROM TODAY’S
DOCUMENT.

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DOCUMENT.
IN FACT, THIS IT IS BASED ON THE

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IN FACT, THIS IT IS BASED ON THE
FBI AGENT’S REVIEW OF TELEPHONE

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FBI AGENT’S REVIEW OF TELEPHONE
RECORDS BELONGING TO MICHAEL

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RECORDS BELONGING TO MICHAEL
COHEN WHERE THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED

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COHEN WHERE THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED
DONALD TRUMP, THEN CANDIDATE

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DONALD TRUMP, THEN CANDIDATE
DONALD TRUMP’S PHONE NUMBER, AND

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DONALD TRUMP’S PHONE NUMBER, AND
HAVE POINTED OUT THERE WAS

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HAVE POINTED OUT THERE WAS
SEVERAL PHONE CONVERSATIONS THAT

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SEVERAL PHONE CONVERSATIONS THAT
OCCURRED AND IN THE ESTIMATION

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OCCURRED AND IN THE ESTIMATION
OF THE FBI AGENT IN THEIR

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OF THE FBI AGENT IN THEIR
PROBABLE CAUSE FILING HERE THAT

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PROBABLE CAUSE FILING HERE THAT
THE PRESIDENT WAS INVOLVED IN

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THE PRESIDENT WAS INVOLVED IN
THIS CAMPAIGN FINANCE SCHEME.

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THIS CAMPAIGN FINANCE SCHEME.
>> AGAIN, THE DOCUMENT APPEARS

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>> AGAIN, THE DOCUMENT APPEARS
TO BE ABOUT 269 PAGES LONG, SO I

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TO BE ABOUT 269 PAGES LONG, SO I
KNOW YOU’RE STILL GOING THROUGH

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KNOW YOU’RE STILL GOING THROUGH
IT.

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IT.
TOM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE’S SOME

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TOM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE’S SOME
SORT OF WIRE TRANSFER THAT’S

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SORT OF WIRE TRANSFER THAT’S
REFERENCED AS WELL ON AUGUST --

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REFERENCED AS WELL ON AUGUST --
EXCUSE ME, OCTOBER 27th OF 2016,

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EXCUSE ME, OCTOBER 27th OF 2016,
WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST DAYS

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WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST DAYS
BEFORE THE ELECTION.

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BEFORE THE ELECTION.
WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT?

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WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT?
>> SO THAT’S ALL TIED TO THE

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>> SO THAT’S ALL TIED TO THE
PAYMENTS THAT WE KNOW THAT WERE

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PAYMENTS THAT WE KNOW THAT WERE
OCCURRING WITH RESPECT TO A

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OCCURRING WITH RESPECT TO A
PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS’ THEN

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PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS’ THEN
ATTORNEY, KEITH DAVIDSON, AND IT

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ATTORNEY, KEITH DAVIDSON, AND IT
WAS MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO GO

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WAS MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO GO
TO KEITH DAVIDSON AND THEN HE

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TO KEITH DAVIDSON AND THEN HE
WAS GOING TO GIVE THAT MONEY TO

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WAS GOING TO GIVE THAT MONEY TO
STORMY DANIELS.

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STORMY DANIELS.
SO THAT’S WHAT THAT PAYMENT IS

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SO THAT’S WHAT THAT PAYMENT IS
ABOUT.

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ABOUT.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THE FBI

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AND BASICALLY WHAT THE FBI
AGENTS HAVE TO DO HERE IS THEY

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AGENTS HAVE TO DO HERE IS THEY
HAVE TO SAY, LOOK, BASED ON THE

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HAVE TO SAY, LOOK, BASED ON THE
INFORMATION WE’VE ALREADY

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INFORMATION WE’VE ALREADY
GATHERED, YOU KNOW, IT’S ONE

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GATHERED, YOU KNOW, IT’S ONE
THING FOR US TO SAY, HEY, WE

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THING FOR US TO SAY, HEY, WE
THINK THAT A PAYMENT OCCURRED

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THINK THAT A PAYMENT OCCURRED
AND WE THINK THERE’S A SCHEME

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AND WE THINK THERE’S A SCHEME
HERE.

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HERE.
THEY WENT THROUGH THE BANKING

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THEY WENT THROUGH THE BANKING
RECORDS.

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RECORDS.
THEY WENT THROUGH TOLL RECORDS.

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THEY WENT THROUGH TOLL RECORDS.
THEY HAD ACCESS THROUGH A COURT

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THEY HAD ACCESS THROUGH A COURT
ORDER WARRANT TO MICHAEL COHEN’S

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ORDER WARRANT TO MICHAEL COHEN’S
iCLOUD ACCOUNT AND SOME OF HIS

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iCLOUD ACCOUNT AND SOME OF HIS
EMAIL MESSAGES.

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EMAIL MESSAGES.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PIECE

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SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PIECE
TOGETHER THESE CONVERSATIONS AND

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TOGETHER THESE CONVERSATIONS AND
THESE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY MOVE

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THESE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY MOVE
FORWARD WITH THEIR CASE.

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FORWARD WITH THEIR CASE.
AND REALLY BY MICHAEL COHEN

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AND REALLY BY MICHAEL COHEN
PLEADING GUILTY LAST AUGUST, A

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PLEADING GUILTY LAST AUGUST, A
LOT OF THIS KIND OF GRANULAR

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LOT OF THIS KIND OF GRANULAR
DETAIL THAT WE EXPECTED TO GET

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DETAIL THAT WE EXPECTED TO GET
TODAY AND WE ARE GETTING, A LOT

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TODAY AND WE ARE GETTING, A LOT
OF THAT GRANULAR DETAIL, CRAIG,

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OF THAT GRANULAR DETAIL, CRAIG,
WE WEREN’T GOING TO SEE BECAUSE

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WE WEREN’T GOING TO SEE BECAUSE
IF THEY HAD FILED AN INDICTMENT

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IF THEY HAD FILED AN INDICTMENT
AT THE TIME AND MICHAEL COHEN

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AT THE TIME AND MICHAEL COHEN
WANTED TO GO TO TRIAL, A LOT

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WANTED TO GO TO TRIAL, A LOT
MORE OF THIS INFORMATION WOULD

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MORE OF THIS INFORMATION WOULD
BE MADE PUBLIC.

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BE MADE PUBLIC.
BUT IT WASN’T MADE PUBLIC AT THE

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BUT IT WASN’T MADE PUBLIC AT THE
TIME BECAUSE HE AGREED TO PLEAD

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TIME BECAUSE HE AGREED TO PLEAD
GUILTY TO TWO COUNTS TIED TO

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GUILTY TO TWO COUNTS TIED TO
THIS CAMPAIGN -- THESE CAMPAIGN

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THIS CAMPAIGN -- THESE CAMPAIGN
FINANCE VIOLATIONS.

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FINANCE VIOLATIONS.
>> MATT MILLER, YOUR REACTION TO

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>> MATT MILLER, YOUR REACTION TO
WHAT YOU JUST HEARD THERE.

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WHAT YOU JUST HEARD THERE.
AND WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT

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AND WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT
WE’RE STILL SIFTING THROUGH THIS

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WE’RE STILL SIFTING THROUGH THIS
VOLUMINOUS --

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VOLUMINOUS --
>> ONE IMPORTANT POINT THERE,

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>> ONE IMPORTANT POINT THERE,
CRAIG, IF I CAN JUST INTERRUPT

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CRAIG, IF I CAN JUST INTERRUPT
YOU.

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YOU.
>> GO AHEAD.

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>> GO AHEAD.
>> THERE ARE 269 PAGES HERE.

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>> THERE ARE 269 PAGES HERE.
THERE’S AN ADDITIONAL FIVE

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THERE’S AN ADDITIONAL FIVE
SEARCH WARRANTS THAT HAVE ALSO

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SEARCH WARRANTS THAT HAVE ALSO
BEEN FILED AND IN THE PROCESS OF

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BEEN FILED AND IN THE PROCESS OF
UPLOADING THAT.

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UPLOADING THAT.
BACK TO THE CONTROL ROOM AND

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BACK TO THE CONTROL ROOM AND
GETTING THAT TO YOU LITERALLY AS

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GETTING THAT TO YOU LITERALLY AS
WE SPEAK.

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WE SPEAK.
BUT THE PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT

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BUT THE PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT
IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME

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IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME
THROUGHOUT ALL OF THEM.

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THROUGHOUT ALL OF THEM.
SO THIS KEY 20 PAGES THAT WE GET

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SO THIS KEY 20 PAGES THAT WE GET
TODAY IS REALLY THE BULK OF THE
