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Make the world you want.

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>>> NOW TO BREAKING NEWS OF A
Make the world you want.

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>>> NOW TO BREAKING NEWS OF A

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QUESTIONABLE INCIDENTS.

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THIS TIME BETWEEN NEW YORK CITY

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POLICE AND A YOUNG BLACK MAN.

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WE WANT TO WARN YOU, THE VIDEO

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YOU’RE ABOUT TO SEE IS

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DISTURBING.

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IN THE CELL PHONE VIDEO YOU SEE

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FOUR OFFICERS WRESTLING A YOUNG

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MAN TO THE GROUND.

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THIS IS ALONG A BEACH BOARDWALK

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IN QUEENS, NEW YORK, EARLIER

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TODAY.

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IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT IT

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APPEARS ONE OF THE OFFICERS IS

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USING A CHOKE HOLD.

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ONLOOKERS RECORDING THE EVENT

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TELL THE POLICE THEY’RE CHOKING

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THE MAN.

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AT ONE POINT YOU HEAR THE CROWD

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SAY "HE’S OUT."

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HOWEVER WE DO KNOW THE CONDITION

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OF THE MAN WAS EXAMINED BY

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MEDICAL PERSONNEL AND HE IS IN

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GOOD CONDITION.

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A SOURCE WITHIN THE POLICE

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DEPARTMENT TELLS NBC NEWS THAT

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POLICE WERE CALLED TO THE SCENE

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REGARDING SEVERAL MEN THROWING

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DEBRIS AND HARASSING BICYCLISTS

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AND PEDESTRIANS.

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JOINING ME NOW IS MARK CLAXTON A

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FORMER NEW YORK CITY POLICE

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DETECTIVE AND NOW HE’S THE

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CURRENT DIRECTOR OF THE LAW

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ENFORCEMENT ALLIANCE.

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MARK, I KNEW YOU WHEN YOU WERE A

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POLICEMAN IN NEW YORK.

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WE’VE BEEN IN THESE BATTLES A

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LONG TIME IN NEW YORK.

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HOW DO YOU VIEW THAT TAPE WE

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JUST SAW?

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>> IT REALLY IS A CLEAR

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DEMONSTRATION OF THE RESILIENCE

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OF A TOXIC POLICE CULTURE AND IT

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REALLY IS A FESTERING CLIMATE

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EVEN WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IN

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THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING GOING

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ON RELATED TO THE CRIMINALITY

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AND PEOPLE AND IT’S A LACK OF

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SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND IT’S A

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DEMONSTRATION ABOUT THE DEPTH

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AND THE REACH OF THE PROBLEMS WE

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FACE AND IT’S HOW POLICE BUILD

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WALLS AROUND THEIR MEMBERSHIP

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JUST TO KEEP THE REALITIES OF

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THE WORLD ON THE OUTSIDE SO THAT

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A POLICE OFFICER WOULD ACTUALLY

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AT THIS DAY AND AGE DURING THIS

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TIME ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT HAS

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LED TO THE DEATH OF COUNTLESS

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BLACK AND BROWN MEN IS JUST

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UNBELIEVABLE, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS

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THE DESPERATE NEED WE HAVE FOR

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REAL, SUBSTANTIVE, PRACTICAL

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REFORM.

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>> AND LAWS.

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I KEEP SAYING TO PEOPLE WE ARE

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NOT ANTI-POLICE.

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WE ARE NOT ANTIMOST POLICE, BUT

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WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE DISOBEYING

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THE LAW.

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GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO SIGNED A

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BILL ON THIS.

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THIS IS LAW.

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POLICE THAT ENGAGE IN ACTS THAT

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ARE AGAINST THE LAW MUST BE

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PENALIZED, NOT STUDIED AND NOT

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GIVEN INCENTIVES.

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THEY MUST PAY FOR BREAKING THE

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LAW.

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THEY, ABOVE EVERYONE, THEY’RE

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SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCING THE

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LAW.

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>> RIGHT.

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AND UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT

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WHERE WE HOLD POLICE ACCOUNTABLE

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THERE HAS TO BE THE HIGH LEVEL

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OF ACCOUNTABILITY BUT UNTIL WE

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ACTUALLY SEE THAT THE POLICE SEE

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THAT THE PENALTY IS SERVED UPON

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THEM AND IF THAT MEANS

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INCARCERATION, THAT’S WHAT THAT

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MEANS AND THAT’S WHAT IS

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NECESSARY FOR IT TO HAVE THE

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IMPACT THAT WOULD CAUSE THE

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REFORM AND THE CHANGE OF MINDSET

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AND THE CHANGE OF CONDUCT

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BECAUSE REV, AS YOU SEE, AND YOU

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WILL CONTINUE TO SEE, I SUSPECT,

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ABSENT THE HEAVY DUTY

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ACCOUNTABILITY THERE WILL BE

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MINIMAL, INCREMENTAL GRADUAL

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CHANGE IN POLICE CONDUCT THAT

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PLACES BLACK AND BROWN

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COMMUNITIES AT RISK.

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>> AND THE FACT IS THEN AND YOU

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HAVE SAID THIS, AND I’VE BEEN

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SAYING IT FOR DECADES, THIS IS

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HOW YOU PROTECT THAT EVERYONE IS

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SUBJECT TO THE LAW, AND IT IS --

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IT IS BAD POLICE THAT GIVE GOOD

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POLICE A BAD NAME.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.

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NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND YOU

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SAW IN THE VIDEO THAT ONE OF THE

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POLICE OFFICERS FOR A SECOND

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GAINED SOME KIND OF SITUATIONAL

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AWARENESS AND TAPPED HIS PARTNER

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AS IF TO TAP OUT THE CHOKE HOLD

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THAT HE WAS APPLYING.

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NOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN OVER THE

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NEXT SEVERAL HOURS AND DAYS IS

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THAT WE’LL HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT

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WHAT ACTUALLY CONSTITUTES A

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CHOKE HOLD AND THAT DISCUSSION

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IS COMING AND THAT’S WHEN WE GET

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CAUGHT IN THE WEEDS OF TRYING TO

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WEAVE OUT THE ABUSE THAT WE SEE

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ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT HAS TO

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BE CHANGED.

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WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING

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LIVES.

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>> RIGHT.

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WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE