WEBVTT 00:05.406 --> 00:09.075 >>> IN THE HEATED BERNIE VERSUS 00:09.076 --> 00:11.911 >>> IN THE HEATED BERNIE VERSUS BIDEN MATCHUP, THE LINES ARE 00:11.913 --> 00:13.680 BIDEN MATCHUP, THE LINES ARE BEING DRAWN OVER HEALTH CARE 00:13.681 --> 00:16.917 BEING DRAWN OVER HEALTH CARE DAYS AFTER BIDEN SLAMMED 00:16.918 --> 00:18.919 DAYS AFTER BIDEN SLAMMED SANDERS’ MEDICARE FOR ALL PLAN. 00:18.953 --> 00:21.221 SANDERS’ MEDICARE FOR ALL PLAN. SANDERS IS BACK ON DEFENSE. 00:21.222 --> 00:22.189 SANDERS IS BACK ON DEFENSE. HE’S MAKING ANOTHER PITCH TODAY 00:22.223 --> 00:24.291 HE’S MAKING ANOTHER PITCH TODAY FOR HIS PLAN WHICH WOULD 00:24.292 --> 00:25.826 FOR HIS PLAN WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE. 00:25.860 --> 00:32.466 ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE. JOINING ME NOW, SHAQUILLE. 00:32.500 --> 00:34.534 JOINING ME NOW, SHAQUILLE. WHAT IS HE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? 00:34.569 --> 00:36.936 WHAT IS HE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> HE’S TRYING TO DEFEND 00:36.938 --> 00:40.040 >> HE’S TRYING TO DEFEND MEDICARE FOR ALL. 00:40.041 --> 00:41.608 MEDICARE FOR ALL. WHETHER OR NOT WE HEAR BIDEN’S 00:41.643 --> 00:42.843 WHETHER OR NOT WE HEAR BIDEN’S NAME, IT’S VERY CLEAR HE WILL BE 00:42.878 --> 00:44.244 NAME, IT’S VERY CLEAR HE WILL BE ONE OF THE TARGETS OF THIS 00:44.245 --> 00:48.381 ONE OF THE TARGETS OF THIS ADDRESS AND THAT’S WHY SENATOR 00:48.416 --> 00:51.218 ADDRESS AND THAT’S WHY SENATOR SANDERS IS GOING TO OUTLINE HIS 00:51.219 --> 00:51.518 SANDERS IS GOING TO OUTLINE HIS PLAN. 00:51.519 --> 00:54.654 PLAN. HE SAYS, WE’LL ELIMINATE THINGS 00:54.656 --> 00:59.560 HE SAYS, WE’LL ELIMINATE THINGS LIKE CO-PAYS AND DEDUCTIBLES AND 00:59.594 --> 01:01.896 LIKE CO-PAYS AND DEDUCTIBLES AND IT WILL COST 30 TO $40 TRILLION 01:01.930 --> 01:02.763 IT WILL COST 30 TO $40 TRILLION OVER TEN YEARS. 01:02.764 --> 01:04.932 OVER TEN YEARS. AND TO PAY FOR THAT, IT WILL 01:04.933 --> 01:05.866 AND TO PAY FOR THAT, IT WILL INCLUDE A MIDDLE CLASS TAX 01:05.901 --> 01:07.501 INCLUDE A MIDDLE CLASS TAX INCREASE, BUT WITH IT 01:07.535 --> 01:08.668 INCREASE, BUT WITH IT ELIMINATING SOME OF THE OTHER 01:08.670 --> 01:10.571 ELIMINATING SOME OF THE OTHER COSTS FOR FAMILIES, PEOPLE WOULD 01:10.605 --> 01:14.475 COSTS FOR FAMILIES, PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO EMBRACE SOMETHING 01:14.476 --> 01:15.409 BE WILLING TO EMBRACE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 01:15.443 --> 01:15.976 LIKE THAT. AND 01:15.977 --> 01:16.777 AND MORE PEOPLE NOW SUPPORT MEDICARE 01:16.811 --> 01:18.646 MORE PEOPLE NOW SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR ALL WHICH WAS CONSIDERED A 01:18.680 --> 01:21.248 FOR ALL WHICH WAS CONSIDERED A RADICAL IDEA IN 2016. 01:21.249 --> 01:22.549 RADICAL IDEA IN 2016. MORE PEOPLE AND CANDIDATES 01:22.550 --> 01:23.884 MORE PEOPLE AND CANDIDATES SUPPORT IT THIS TIME AROUND. 01:23.918 --> 01:26.120 SUPPORT IT THIS TIME AROUND. THERE’S A RECENT POLL THAT SHOWS 01:26.154 --> 01:27.688 THERE’S A RECENT POLL THAT SHOWS 44% OF REGULATED VOTERS 01:27.722 --> 01:30.457 44% OF REGULATED VOTERS SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF 01:30.492 --> 01:31.692 SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF SINGLE-PAYER INSURANCE. 01:31.693 --> 01:32.793 SINGLE-PAYER INSURANCE. BUT IT’S MORE THAN IT HAS BEEN 01:32.794 --> 01:33.360 BUT IT’S MORE THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. 01:33.361 --> 01:34.995 IN THE PAST. AND HE’S GOING TO POINT OUT 01:34.996 --> 01:36.397 AND HE’S GOING TO POINT OUT CANDIDATES WHO SUPPORT IT OR 01:36.431 --> 01:38.432 CANDIDATES WHO SUPPORT IT OR SUPPORT THE NAME OF IT AND NOT 01:38.467 --> 01:39.500 SUPPORT THE NAME OF IT AND NOT THE ACTUAL ELIMINATION OF 01:39.501 --> 01:40.601 THE ACTUAL ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE INSURANCE AND HE’S GOING 01:40.602 --> 01:43.571 PRIVATE INSURANCE AND HE’S GOING TO MAKE HIS CASE TODAY AT ABOUT 01:43.572 --> 01:44.271 TO MAKE HIS CASE TODAY AT ABOUT 4:00 P.M. 01:44.273 --> 01:46.307 4:00 P.M. >> WE’LL ALL BE LISTENING. 01:46.341 --> 01:48.008 >> WE’LL ALL BE LISTENING. AND A MORE AGGRESSIVE JOE BIDEN 01:48.010 --> 01:51.245 AND A MORE AGGRESSIVE JOE BIDEN TAKING ON HIS RIVALS, 01:51.279 --> 01:53.280 TAKING ON HIS RIVALS, CHALLENGING MEDICARE FOR ALL 01:53.281 --> 01:55.016 CHALLENGING MEDICARE FOR ALL THAT WAS EMBRACED BY A RISING 01:55.049 --> 01:58.686 THAT WAS EMBRACED BY A RISING STAR, KAMALA HARRIS. 01:58.720 --> 02:00.321 STAR, KAMALA HARRIS. >> EITHER A MEDICARE FOR ALL, 02:00.322 --> 02:01.689 >> EITHER A MEDICARE FOR ALL, WHICH MEANS OBAMACARE IS GONE, 02:01.690 --> 02:03.624 WHICH MEANS OBAMACARE IS GONE, GONE, PERIOD, OR YOU BUILD ON 02:03.625 --> 02:05.826 GONE, PERIOD, OR YOU BUILD ON OBAMACARE, LIKE I’M DOING, AND 02:05.861 --> 02:07.695 OBAMACARE, LIKE I’M DOING, AND YOU PROVIDE A MEDICARE OPTION. 02:07.729 --> 02:09.130 YOU PROVIDE A MEDICARE OPTION. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HER POSITION, 02:09.164 --> 02:10.164 I DON’T KNOW WHAT HER POSITION, MAYBE SHE’S CHANGED HER 02:10.199 --> 02:10.531 MAYBE SHE’S CHANGED HER POSITION. 02:10.566 --> 02:11.132 POSITION. I DON’T KNOW. 02:11.133 --> 02:13.835 I DON’T KNOW. >> ANITA DUN IS A FORMER WHITE 02:13.836 --> 02:15.603 >> ANITA DUN IS A FORMER WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR 02:15.637 --> 02:18.339 HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR AND AN ADVISER TO THE BIDEN 02:18.373 --> 02:20.007 AND AN ADVISER TO THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AND JOINS ME NOW. 02:20.042 --> 02:21.542 CAMPAIGN AND JOINS ME NOW. THIS FIGHT OVER HEALTH CARE 02:21.577 --> 02:23.978 THIS FIGHT OVER HEALTH CARE WHICH WAS THE BIG ISSUE IN THE 02:24.012 --> 02:25.947 WHICH WAS THE BIG ISSUE IN THE 2018 MIDTERMS, IT’S CLEARLY 02:25.981 --> 02:29.017 2018 MIDTERMS, IT’S CLEARLY FUNDAMENTAL TO ANY DEMOCRATIC 02:29.051 --> 02:30.718 FUNDAMENTAL TO ANY DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE’S POLITICAL BASE GOING 02:30.719 --> 02:32.453 NOMINEE’S POLITICAL BASE GOING FORWARD, HOW DOES BIDEN 02:32.487 --> 02:34.188 FORWARD, HOW DOES BIDEN DISTINGUISH HIMSELF AS, YOU 02:34.223 --> 02:36.257 DISTINGUISH HIMSELF AS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING 02:36.292 --> 02:39.360 KNOW, SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A CHANGE AGENT, IF 02:39.361 --> 02:40.228 DIFFERENT, A CHANGE AGENT, IF IT’S LOOKING BACK TOWARD 02:40.262 --> 02:40.661 IT’S LOOKING BACK TOWARD OBAMACARE. 02:40.663 --> 02:43.464 OBAMACARE. >> ANDREA, AS YOU WELL KNOW, 02:43.466 --> 02:46.067 >> ANDREA, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IT’S NOT LOOKING BACK TOWARDS 02:46.068 --> 02:47.135 IT’S NOT LOOKING BACK TOWARDS OBAMACARE, IT’S BUILDING ON 02:47.136 --> 02:48.436 OBAMACARE, IT’S BUILDING ON WHAT’S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WHICH 02:48.437 --> 02:50.638 WHAT’S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST MAJOR 02:50.639 --> 02:51.839 WAS THE BIGGEST MAJOR TRANSFORMATION OF HEALTH CARE IN 02:51.841 --> 02:53.441 TRANSFORMATION OF HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY IN 70 YEARS. 02:53.443 --> 02:56.044 THIS COUNTRY IN 70 YEARS. OTHER DEMOCRATS HAD TRIED IT, 02:56.045 --> 02:58.179 OTHER DEMOCRATS HAD TRIED IT, OTHER PRESIDENTS HAS TRIED IT 02:58.214 --> 03:00.882 OTHER PRESIDENTS HAS TRIED IT AND NOBODY WAS ABLE TO DO IT 03:00.883 --> 03:03.051 AND NOBODY WAS ABLE TO DO IT UNTIL BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN 03:03.085 --> 03:05.653 UNTIL BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN WERE ABLE TO DO IT. 03:05.655 --> 03:07.355 WERE ABLE TO DO IT. IT’S BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS OF 03:07.357 --> 03:09.090 IT’S BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET 03:09.091 --> 03:11.092 THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE 03:11.093 --> 03:13.161 THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE INSURANCE YET, INSURED, AND MAKE 03:13.162 --> 03:13.995 INSURANCE YET, INSURED, AND MAKE HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE FOR 03:13.996 --> 03:14.996 HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 03:15.030 --> 03:17.432 EVERYONE ELSE. AND IT IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE 03:17.466 --> 03:20.068 AND IT IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND 03:20.069 --> 03:22.971 BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SENATOR SANDERS, SENATOR WARREN 03:22.972 --> 03:24.406 SENATOR SANDERS, SENATOR WARREN AND I BELIEVE SENATOR HARRIS 03:24.440 --> 03:26.775 AND I BELIEVE SENATOR HARRIS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FIELD. 03:26.809 --> 03:28.210 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FIELD. OTHERS ARE FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL 03:28.244 --> 03:30.746 OTHERS ARE FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL WHICH IS A SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM. 03:30.780 --> 03:32.314 WHICH IS A SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM. MOST AMERICANS WOULD SAY WE 03:32.348 --> 03:33.549 MOST AMERICANS WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BUILD ON WHAT IS WORKING 03:33.583 --> 03:35.217 SHOULD BUILD ON WHAT IS WORKING RIGHT NOW, WHICH HAS BEEN 03:35.251 --> 03:36.952 RIGHT NOW, WHICH HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN COVERING, YOU 03:36.986 --> 03:38.386 SUCCESSFUL IN COVERING, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS MORE AMERICANS 03:38.388 --> 03:41.390 KNOW, MILLIONS MORE AMERICANS AND HELPING TO BRING MORE 03:41.391 --> 03:43.225 AND HELPING TO BRING MORE EFFICIENCIES TO THE HEALTH CARE 03:43.226 --> 03:43.525 EFFICIENCIES TO THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. 03:43.560 --> 03:44.493 SYSTEM. >> PERHAPS IT WAS PREDICTABLE, 03:44.527 --> 03:45.894 >> PERHAPS IT WAS PREDICTABLE, BUT JOE BIDEN IS LOSING 03:45.895 --> 03:47.996 BUT JOE BIDEN IS LOSING ELEVATION IN SOME OF THESE MORE 03:47.997 --> 03:53.034 ELEVATION IN SOME OF THESE MORE RECENT POLLS SINCE THE DEBATE. 03:53.036 --> 03:56.038 RECENT POLLS SINCE THE DEBATE. CLEARLY ELIZABETH WARREN PICKING 03:56.039 --> 03:57.906 CLEARLY ELIZABETH WARREN PICKING UP STEAM AND KAMALA HARRIS AS 03:57.908 --> 03:58.206 UP STEAM AND KAMALA HARRIS AS WELL. 03:58.208 --> 03:59.842 WELL. >> YOU’VE COVERED IT, AND I’VE 03:59.876 --> 04:01.743 >> YOU’VE COVERED IT, AND I’VE BEEN IN IT FOR A LONG TIME AND 04:01.745 --> 04:03.812 BEEN IN IT FOR A LONG TIME AND THIS IS THE SEASON WILL PEOPLE 04:03.847 --> 04:06.215 THIS IS THE SEASON WILL PEOPLE WILL GO UP AND DOWN, WHAT IS 04:06.216 --> 04:07.449 WILL GO UP AND DOWN, WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, THOUGH, IS THAT 04:07.484 --> 04:08.917 ABSOLUTELY TRUE, THOUGH, IS THAT WHEN WE GET TO DECISION POINTS, 04:08.952 --> 04:10.652 WHEN WE GET TO DECISION POINTS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT JOE 04:10.654 --> 04:11.854 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT JOE BIDEN’S RECORD, THEY’RE GOING TO 04:11.888 --> 04:13.823 BIDEN’S RECORD, THEY’RE GOING TO LOOK AT HIS EXPERIENCE AND MOST 04:13.857 --> 04:14.757 LOOK AT HIS EXPERIENCE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY’RE GOING TO 04:14.791 --> 04:16.892 IMPORTANTLY, THEY’RE GOING TO LOOK AT HIS VISION FOR THE 04:16.926 --> 04:19.060 LOOK AT HIS VISION FOR THE FUTURE, FOR RE-BUILDING THE 04:19.062 --> 04:20.763 FUTURE, FOR RE-BUILDING THE MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA, 04:20.797 --> 04:22.131 MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA, RESTORING SOME MORALITY TO THE 04:22.165 --> 04:23.132 RESTORING SOME MORALITY TO THE OVAL OFFICE AND I THINK THAT 04:23.133 --> 04:24.867 OVAL OFFICE AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL RESPOND TO THAT AS 04:24.901 --> 04:25.735 PEOPLE WILL RESPOND TO THAT AS THEY ALREADY HAVE. 04:25.769 --> 04:28.871 THEY ALREADY HAVE. >> HE HAS NOT WANTED TO GO AFTER 04:28.872 --> 04:30.439 >> HE HAS NOT WANTED TO GO AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, 04:30.440 --> 04:32.441 HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, CLEARLY, HE HUNG BACK IN THAT 04:32.442 --> 04:33.242 CLEARLY, HE HUNG BACK IN THAT FIRST DEBATE. 04:33.243 --> 04:35.477 FIRST DEBATE. HE SEEMS NOW TO HAVE PIVOTED. 04:35.479 --> 04:36.679 HE SEEMS NOW TO HAVE PIVOTED. HE’S BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE. 04:36.713 --> 04:38.681 HE’S BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE. ARE WE GOING TO SEE A MUCH MORE 04:38.682 --> 04:39.849 ARE WE GOING TO SEE A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE JOE BIDEN IN THE 04:39.883 --> 04:42.485 AGGRESSIVE JOE BIDEN IN THE DEBATE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. 04:42.486 --> 04:44.153 DEBATE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. >> THERE ARE CLEAR ISSUE 04:44.154 --> 04:46.055 >> THERE ARE CLEAR ISSUE DIFFERENCES THAT ARE DEVELOPING 04:46.056 --> 04:49.392 DIFFERENCES THAT ARE DEVELOPING WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD. 04:49.426 --> 04:50.126 WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD. JOE BIDEN NEVER WANTS TO LOSE 04:50.160 --> 04:53.496 JOE BIDEN NEVER WANTS TO LOSE TRACK OF WHAT IS THE REALITY 04:53.530 --> 04:54.797 TRACK OF WHAT IS THE REALITY HERE IS THAT NONE OF THIS WILL 04:54.798 --> 04:56.666 HERE IS THAT NONE OF THIS WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON’T DEFEAT DONALD 04:56.700 --> 04:58.401 HAPPEN IF WE DON’T DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP. 04:58.435 --> 04:59.535 TRUMP. HE VIEWS THE FIELD AS HIS 04:59.569 --> 05:02.104 HE VIEWS THE FIELD AS HIS COMPETITORS AND HE VIEWS HIS 05:02.105 --> 05:03.205 COMPETITORS AND HE VIEWS HIS OPPONENT AS DONALD TRUMP. 05:03.239 --> 05:05.240 OPPONENT AS DONALD TRUMP. >> AND YOU AND HE BOTH SUGGESTED 05:05.275 --> 05:07.309 >> AND YOU AND HE BOTH SUGGESTED THAT YOU’RE NOT CLEAR ON WHAT 05:07.311 --> 05:09.612 THAT YOU’RE NOT CLEAR ON WHAT KAMALA HARRIS’S POSITION IS ON 05:09.647 --> 05:11.047 KAMALA HARRIS’S POSITION IS ON MEDICARE FOR ALL. 05:11.081 --> 05:12.715 MEDICARE FOR ALL. >> I THINK SENATOR HARRIS IS THE 05:12.749 --> 05:16.919 >> I THINK SENATOR HARRIS IS THE PERSON TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION. 05:16.920 --> 05:22.525 PERSON TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION. SHE’S AN ORIGINAL COSPONSOR OF 05:22.526 --> 05:23.426 SHE’S AN ORIGINAL COSPONSOR OF THE BILL. 05:23.427 --> 05:25.928 THE BILL. THIS WILL INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT 05:25.930 --> 05:27.096 THIS WILL INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT MIDDLE CLASS TAX INCREASE. 05:27.131 --> 05:29.432 MIDDLE CLASS TAX INCREASE. IT WILL COST BETWEEN 30 AND 05:29.467 --> 05:30.600 IT WILL COST BETWEEN 30 AND $40 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN 05:30.634 --> 05:34.237 $40 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND IT WILL ELIMINATE 05:34.271 --> 05:36.673 YEARS AND IT WILL ELIMINATE PRIVATE INSURANCE EXPECT FOR 05:36.707 --> 05:38.808 PRIVATE INSURANCE EXPECT FOR SOME THINGS LIKE COSMETIC 05:38.809 --> 05:43.212 SOME THINGS LIKE COSMETIC SURGERY WHICH ARE NOT COVERED BY 05:43.213 --> 05:44.547 SURGERY WHICH ARE NOT COVERED BY MAY RECOLLECT 05:44.581 --> 05:45.048 MAY RECOLLECT MEDICARE FOR ALL. 05:45.049 --> 05:46.283 MEDICARE FOR ALL. HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, 05:46.317 --> 05:49.452 HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, ELIZABETH WARREN ALSO TOOK A 05:49.487 --> 05:52.755 ELIZABETH WARREN ALSO TOOK A VERY STRONG POSITION SAYING SHE 05:52.756 --> 05:53.489 VERY STRONG POSITION SAYING SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT. 05:53.524 --> 05:54.724 WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT. SENATOR HARRIS HAS NOT BEEN 05:54.725 --> 05:56.159 SENATOR HARRIS HAS NOT BEEN QUITE AS SPECIFIC, BUT I’M SURE 05:56.193 --> 05:58.328 QUITE AS SPECIFIC, BUT I’M SURE AS THE CAMPAIGN GOES ON, WE’LL 05:58.362 --> 05:59.562 AS THE CAMPAIGN GOES ON, WE’LL ALL LEARN WHERE EVERYONE STANDS 05:59.597 --> 06:01.030 ALL LEARN WHERE EVERYONE STANDS ON THESE ISSUES. 06:01.065 --> 06:04.367 ON THESE ISSUES. >> VERY SUBTLE WAY OF SAYING 06:04.368 --> 06:04.534 >> VERY SUBTLE WAY OF SAYING WE’LL SEE WHERE THEY COME OUT ON