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>>> SUPER BOWL LV IS ALL SET FOR

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>>> SUPER BOWL LV IS ALL SET FOR

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THIS COMING SUNDAY.

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THE IDEA THE NFL WOULD MAKE IT

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TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME WITHOUT

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ANY KIND OF CATASTROPHIC

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DISRUPTION BECAUSE OF COVID-19

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WAS NOT AT ALL GUARANTEED.

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IN FACT, ALMOST UNTHINKABLE WHEN

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PLAY KICKED OFF IN SEPTEMBER.

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YET WITHOUT AN ABBREVIATED

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SEASON LIKE MAJOR LEAGUE BOWL OR

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REGIONAL CITIES LIKE THE NHL OR

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A BUBBLE LIKE THE NBA HAD THEIR

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FIRST RUN OF IT, THE NFL IS

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HEADED TOWARD A BASICALLY

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SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THEIR

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FULL SEASON AND CHAMPIONSHIP, A

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SPORT IN WHICH OBVIOUSLY SOCIAL

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DISTANCING ISN’T POSSIBLE.

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A NEW PIECE IN "THE WALL STREET

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JOURNAL" EXPLAINS PART OF THE

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REASON FOR THAT SUCCESS IS THE

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LEAGUE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF

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MONEY TO LEARN A WHOLE BUNCH

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ABOUT HOW THE VIRUS IS

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TRANSMITTED AND HOW TO STOP IT.

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ONE OF THE SPORTS REPORTERS OWEN

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THAT STORY, ANDREW BEATON OF

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"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" JOINS

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ME NOW.

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ANDREW, THANKS FOR COMING ON.

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I LEARNED A LOT FROM YOUR PIECE.

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TELL ME ABOUT HOW THE NFL AND

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NFL PLAYERS’ ASSOCIATION

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APPROACHED THE PROBLEM IN

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GETTING THEIR ARMS AROUND IT

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THIS SEASON.

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>> WELL, IF YOU THINK BACK TO

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THE START OF THE SEASON, THEY

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WEREN’T PLAYING IN A BUBBLE.

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THEY WERE PLAYING IN AMERICA.

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AND SO THEY KNEW FROM THE VERY

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START THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE

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ABLE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING

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INFECTED WITH THE VIRUS, BUT

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THEIR WHOLE IDEA WAS, OKAY, IF

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THAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN, LET’S

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STOP IT FROM SPREADING WITHIN

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TEAMS.

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AND THEY IMPLORED PEOPLE TO WEAR

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MASKS, THEY TRIED TO ENFORCE

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SOCIAL DISTANCING PROTOCOLS,

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THEY INSTITUTED DAILY TESTING.

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ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS

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THEY FOUND OUT, NOT ALL THAT WAS

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STOPPING TRANSMISSION OF THE

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VIRUS WITHIN TEAMS AND WHEN THEY

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STARTED LOOKING AT THE DATA,

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THEY CAME TO SOME INTERESTING

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CONCLUSIONS THAT APPLIED TO NOT

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JUST THEIR FOOTBALL SEASON BUT

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YOU AND ME HERE, EVERYBODY AT

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HOME.

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>> RIGHT.

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THEY HAVE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE,

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TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOCIAL

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DISTANCING ANYONE YOU START

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HAVING THESE OUTBREAKS.

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THERE’S THE BALTIMORE RAVENS HAD

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A HUGE OUTBREAK.

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THERE ARE A BUNCH OF TEAMS THAT

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IT SORT OF RIPPED THROUGH THE

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LOCKER ROOM.

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THEY START TAKING A LOOK AT THE

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DATA WHICH -- WHAT IS THE DATA

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THAT THEY’RE LOOKING AT?

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>> WELL, THE DATE THATA THEY’RE

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LOOKING AT IS AN UNMATCHED TYPE

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OF DATA SET.

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IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THE NFL

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WAS DOING, THERE ISN’T REALLY A

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BUSINESS THAT HAD THE

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COMBINATION OF COMMUNITIES AND

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RESOURCES TO MATCH IT.

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THESE ARE 32 TEAMS SPREAD ACROSS

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THE COUNTRY WITH TEAMS WORTH

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BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE

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PAYING FOR TESTING EVERY DAY,

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FOR HIGH-TECH CONTACT TRACING

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DEVICES.

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>> RIGHT.

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>> THAT GENERATES A LOT OF DATA.

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THEY CONDUCTED MORE THAN 900,000

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TESTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE

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SEASON.

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THERE’S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN

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THERE.

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AND WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH

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THE CONTACT TRACING, WHAT THEY

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START TO FIND WAS, YOU KNOW, WE

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HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM THE START OF

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THE PANDEMIC THAT WE SHOULD

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MEASURE OUR INTERACTIONS SS WITH

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STOPWATCH AND A MEASURING STICK

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WHICH IS 15 MINUTES, 6 FEET, IS

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THE GENERAL GUIDELINE.

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BUT WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AT

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THEIR CASES, THEY WERE SEEING

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THAT PEOPLE WERE TRANSMITTING

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THE VIRUS IN UNDER 15 MINUTES

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AND OVER 16.

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AND SO THAT WAS SORT OF A REAL

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CLEAR MOMENT FOR THEM THAT THEY

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COULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WE

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NEED TO CHANGE OUR PROTOCOLS

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BECAUSE THE VIRUS CAN SPREAD

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LIKE THAT AND IF WE DON’T

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ACCOUNT FOR THAT, WE’RE GOING TO

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HAVE MORE OF THESE OUTBREAKS AND

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IT COULD REALLY UPEND OUR

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SEASON.

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>> AND JUST READING FROM YOUR

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REPORTING HERE, AN INVESTIGATION

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CONFIRMED THAT CUMULATIVE BRIEF

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INTERACTIONS EXCEEDING 50 MINUTE

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MINUTES COULD LEAD TO

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TRANSMISSION, DIDN’T HAVE TO BE

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15 CONSECUTIVE MINUTES, LEE

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LOOED

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LEADING THE CDC TO CHANGE.

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YOU SAID YOU GOT CONTACT TRACING

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DEVICES ON EVERYONE PLUS TESTING

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EVERY DAY SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY

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SORT OF GO BACK AND REVERSE

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ENGINEER HOW TRANSMISSION

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HAPPENED THEN THEY ACTUALLY

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PUBLISHED THIS, RIGHT?

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THEY TALKED TO THE CDC ABOUT IT.

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>> YEAH, THIS NFL SEASON QUITE

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LITERALLY BECAME A CDC PAPER.

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THIS WAS PUBLISHED BY THE CDC.

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WHAT’S INTERESTING IF YOU GO

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BACK TO OCTOBER, THERE WAS A

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PAPER PUBLISHED ABOUT A VERMONT

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PRISON THAT TALKED ABOUT THOSE

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COUPLEUMULATIVE INTERACTIONS THA

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ENDED UP TO 15 MINUTES.

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DIDN’T JUST HAVE TO BE ONE

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15-MINUTE INTERACTION, IT COULD

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BE 3 INTERACTIONS IN 5 MINUTES.

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WHAT THE NFL FOUND IS IT DOESN’T

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EVEN HAVE TO BE 15 MINUTES, IT

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COULD BE UNDER THAT.

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IT DOESN’T EVEN INTO TO BE SIX

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FEET.

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IT COULD BE LONGER THAN SIX FEET

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IF YOU’RE IN A POORLY VENTILATED

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SPACE.

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SO WHAT IT REALLY ADDS UP TO IT

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A MORE HOLISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF

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THIS IDEA OF TRANSMISSION, NOT

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JUST TIME AND DISTANCE.

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IT’S ALSO VENTILATION.

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IT’S MASK WEARING.

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BECAUSE IT’S VERY DIFFERENT IF

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YOU HAVE AN ENCOUNTER OUTDOORS,

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SAY, WEARING A MASK FOR A LONG

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TIME THAN EVEN A BRIEF ENCOUNTER

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INSIDE A CAR WITH PARTIAL MASK

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USAGE.

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>> RIGHT.

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SO THESE CONTEXTUAL -- THE

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CONTEXTUAL SORT OF DIFFERENCES

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WHICH WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT,

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AGAIN, AS WE COME UP ON YEAR TWO

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OF THE PANDEMIC, THEY ACTUALLY

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JUST SEE POPPING OUT IN THEIR

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DATA, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY’RE

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ABLE TO GO BACK AND THEY’RE

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SEEING THAT POORLY VENTILATED

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SPACES, CLOSE CONTACT WITHOUT

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MASKS, THEY’RE SEEING

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TRANSMISSION UNDERNEATH THESE 6

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FEET, 15 MINUTE SORT OF

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BENCHMARKS.

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>> KBRAERKSYEAH, EXACTLY.

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YOU COULD LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE

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OUTBREAKS THAT HAPPENED IN

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FOOTBALL AND COULD BE TRACED

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BACK TO THE SIMPLE IDEA OF

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EATING DINNER TOGETHER, RIGHT?

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>> RIGHT.

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>> TRANSMISSION THEY FOUND

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WASN’T HAPPENING ON THE FOOTBALL

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FIELD, SOUNDS CRAZY GIVEN

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EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT

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FOOTBALL INVOLVES REALLY LARGE

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PEOPLE RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER

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ALL DAY.

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IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THOSE

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INTERACTIONS ACTUALLY ADD UP TO

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VERY BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIMES AND

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TEND TO HAPPEN IN REALLY LARGE

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WELL-VENTILATED SPACES LIKE AN

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OUTDOOR STADIUM OR JUST A VERY

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LARGE DOME.

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WHEN AN OUTBREAK COULD HAPPEN

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IS, LET’S SAY, A COUPLE --

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TEAMMATES GRAB A SANDWICH

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TOGETHER.

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THAT DATA WAS BOOSTED BY THE

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FACT NOT JUST THAT THEY WERE

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CONTACT TRACING BUT DOING SEE