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SHOOTS AND KILLS A BLACK WOMAN
INSIDE HER OWN HOME IN SECONDSTE

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INSIDE HER OWN HOME IN SECONDSTE
>>> THE TURKISH BACKED OFFENSIVE

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>>> THE TURKISH BACKED OFFENSIVE
IN NORTHERN SYRIA IS ESCALATING

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IN NORTHERN SYRIA IS ESCALATING
AS THE U.S. ANNOUNCES A FURTHER

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AS THE U.S. ANNOUNCES A FURTHER
PULLBACK FROM THE COUNTY.

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PULLBACK FROM THE COUNTY.
ABOUT 1,000 TROOPS ARE EXPECTED

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ABOUT 1,000 TROOPS ARE EXPECTED
TO EXIT THE COUNTRY LEAVING

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TO EXIT THE COUNTRY LEAVING
KURDISH FORCES TO TURN TO BASHAR

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KURDISH FORCES TO TURN TO BASHAR
AL ASSAD AND VLADIMIR PUTIN FOR

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AL ASSAD AND VLADIMIR PUTIN FOR
HELP TRYING TO STRIKE A DEAL TO

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HELP TRYING TO STRIKE A DEAL TO
BRING REINFORCEMENTS IN IN AN

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BRING REINFORCEMENTS IN IN AN
EFFORT TO REPEL THE ONGOING

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EFFORT TO REPEL THE ONGOING
TURKISH INCURSION.

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TURKISH INCURSION.
THIS MORNING THE TRUMP

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THIS MORNING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION AND COMING ARE

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ADMINISTRATION AND COMING ARE
PROMISEING CRIPPLING SANCTIONS O

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PROMISEING CRIPPLING SANCTIONS O
TURKEY.

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TURKEY.
>> I THINK YOU KNOW IT IS AN

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>> I THINK YOU KNOW IT IS AN
EVOLVING SITUATION, WE’RE

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EVOLVING SITUATION, WE’RE
MONITORING THE SITUATION

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MONITORING THE SITUATION
CAREFULLY.

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CAREFULLY.
THE SANCTIONS ARE READY TO GO.

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THE SANCTIONS ARE READY TO GO.
WE’LL BE UPDATING THE PRESIDENT

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WE’LL BE UPDATING THE PRESIDENT
THIS MORNING.

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THIS MORNING.
>> THERE’S GOING TO BE CRIPPLING

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>> THERE’S GOING TO BE CRIPPLING
SANCTIONS IMPOSED BY THE

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SANCTIONS IMPOSED BY THE
CONGRESS TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT

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CONGRESS TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION

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PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION
HAS DONE.

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HAS DONE.
WE’RE GOING TO SEND A SIGNAL TO

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WE’RE GOING TO SEND A SIGNAL TO
TURKEY THAT IS UNMISTAKABLE IN

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TURKEY THAT IS UNMISTAKABLE IN
THE WORLD AND WE’LL BREAK HIS

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THE WORLD AND WE’LL BREAK HIS
ECONOMY UNTIL HE STOPS THE

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ECONOMY UNTIL HE STOPS THE
BLOODSHED.

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BLOODSHED.
>> THE TURKISH-LED OFFENSIVE

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>> THE TURKISH-LED OFFENSIVE
SHOWS NO SIGN OF SLOWING DOWN.

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SHOWS NO SIGN OF SLOWING DOWN.
OVER THE WEEKEND TURKEY CLAIMED

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OVER THE WEEKEND TURKEY CLAIMED
IT CAPTURED AT LEAST ONE BORDER

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IT CAPTURED AT LEAST ONE BORDER
TOWN ON THE SYRIAN SIDE.

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TOWN ON THE SYRIAN SIDE.
SOMETHING NBC NEWS HAS NOT BEEN

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SOMETHING NBC NEWS HAS NOT BEEN
ABLE TO VERIFY.

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ABLE TO VERIFY.
KURDISH FORCES DISPUTE IT.

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KURDISH FORCES DISPUTE IT.
DESPITE REPORTS OF THE ISIS FLAG

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DESPITE REPORTS OF THE ISIS FLAG
BEING FLOWN IN THE SYRIAN

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BEING FLOWN IN THE SYRIAN
COUNTRYSIDE ON SUNDAY, BOTH

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COUNTRYSIDE ON SUNDAY, BOTH
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE MARK ESPER

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SECRETARY OF DEFENSE MARK ESPER
AND DONALD TRUMP DEFENDED THE

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AND DONALD TRUMP DEFENDED THE
REMOVAL OF U.S. TROOPS.

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REMOVAL OF U.S. TROOPS.
>> WE’RE FACING U.S. FORCES IN A

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>> WE’RE FACING U.S. FORCES IN A
TRAP BETWEEN A SYRIAN/RUSSIAN

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TRAP BETWEEN A SYRIAN/RUSSIAN
ARMY MOVING NORTH TO TAKE ON THE

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ARMY MOVING NORTH TO TAKE ON THE
TURKISH ARMY MOVING SOUTH.

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TURKISH ARMY MOVING SOUTH.
I SPOKE WITH THE NATIONAL

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I SPOKE WITH THE NATIONAL
SECURITY TEAM YESTERDAY.

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SECURITY TEAM YESTERDAY.
WE ALL TALKED ON THE PHONE.

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WE ALL TALKED ON THE PHONE.
I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT.

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I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS CONCERNED AND SO LAST

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HE IS CONCERNED AND SO LAST
NIGHT HE DIRECTED THAT WE BEGIN

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NIGHT HE DIRECTED THAT WE BEGIN
A DELIBERATE WITHDRAW FROM THE

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A DELIBERATE WITHDRAW FROM THE
NORTHERN PART OF SYRIA.

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NORTHERN PART OF SYRIA.
>> THE KURDS ARE INTENDING TO

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>> THE KURDS ARE INTENDING TO
LEAVE.

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LEAVE.
THAT’S GOOD.

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THAT’S GOOD.
LET THEM HAVE THEIR BORDERS.

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LET THEM HAVE THEIR BORDERS.
WITH YOU I DON’T THINK OUR

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WITH YOU I DON’T THINK OUR
SOLDIERS SHOULD BE THERE FOR THE

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SOLDIERS SHOULD BE THERE FOR THE
NEXT 50 YEARS SS GUARDING A BORD

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NEXT 50 YEARS SS GUARDING A BORD
BETWEEN TURKEY AND SYRIA WHEN WE

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BETWEEN TURKEY AND SYRIA WHEN WE
CAN’T GUARD OUR OWN BORDERS AT

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CAN’T GUARD OUR OWN BORDERS AT
HOME.

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HOME.
>>> JOINING ME NOW IS KIER

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>>> JOINING ME NOW IS KIER
SIMMONS AND PETER CROWLEY.

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SIMMONS AND PETER CROWLEY.
YOU’VE BEEN MONITORING THE

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YOU’VE BEEN MONITORING THE
SITUATION THERE SINCE THE

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SITUATION THERE SINCE THE
OFFENSIVE BEGAN.

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OFFENSIVE BEGAN.
DESCRIBE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON

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DESCRIBE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON
THE MILITARY FRONT AS WELL AS

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THE MILITARY FRONT AS WELL AS
THE HUMANITARIAN FRONT.

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THE HUMANITARIAN FRONT.
>> WE SPENT THE DAY OPPOSITE THE

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>> WE SPENT THE DAY OPPOSITE THE
TOWN OF KABANI.

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TOWN OF KABANI.
YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT, THAT’S

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YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT, THAT’S
WHERE U.S. FORCES TOGETHER WITH

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WHERE U.S. FORCES TOGETHER WITH
THE KURDISH FORCES FOUGHT

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THE KURDISH FORCES FOUGHT
AGAINST ISIS AND WON.

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AGAINST ISIS AND WON.
THE U.S. BASE ABOVE KABANI IS

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THE U.S. BASE ABOVE KABANI IS
EVACUATED.

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EVACUATED.
AND THEY’RE WAITING FOR THE

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AND THEY’RE WAITING FOR THE
ARRIVAL OF RUSSIAN-BACKED SYRIAN

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ARRIVAL OF RUSSIAN-BACKED SYRIAN
FORCES.

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FORCES.
WHAT A WEEK FOR THAT ONE TOWN.

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WHAT A WEEK FOR THAT ONE TOWN.
IN A SENSE THAT TOWN’S STORY IS

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IN A SENSE THAT TOWN’S STORY IS
THE STORY OF SYRIA NOW WITH

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THE STORY OF SYRIA NOW WITH
CHANGING ALLIANCES AND A

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CHANGING ALLIANCES AND A
CHANGING PICTURE ON THE GROUND.

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CHANGING PICTURE ON THE GROUND.
IT IS THE FOG OF WAR, SO I COULD

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IT IS THE FOG OF WAR, SO I COULD
GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TOWNS

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GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TOWNS
THAT APPEAR TO BE FOUGHT OVER

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THAT APPEAR TO BE FOUGHT OVER
AND THE MAIN HIGHWAY, THE M4

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AND THE MAIN HIGHWAY, THE M4
THROUGH SYRIA, WHICH SEEMS TO BE

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THROUGH SYRIA, WHICH SEEMS TO BE
DISPUTED AND THERE ARE CLASHES

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DISPUTED AND THERE ARE CLASHES
OVER THAT.

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OVER THAT.
IN THE END IT’S DIFFICULT TO

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IN THE END IT’S DIFFICULT TO
TELL HONESTLY BECAUSE SOME --

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TELL HONESTLY BECAUSE SOME --
MUCH OF THIS FIGHTING IS FROM

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MUCH OF THIS FIGHTING IS FROM
TURKISH-BACKED MILITIAS, SO NOT

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TURKISH-BACKED MILITIAS, SO NOT
THE REGULAR TURKISH ARMY, BUT A

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THE REGULAR TURKISH ARMY, BUT A
RAGTAG GROUP OF FIGHTERS, THAT

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RAGTAG GROUP OF FIGHTERS, THAT
INCLUDES ISLAMISTS AND REBELS

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INCLUDES ISLAMISTS AND REBELS
WHO HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST

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WHO HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST
PRESIDENT ASSAD FROM THE

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PRESIDENT ASSAD FROM THE
BEGINNING.

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BEGINNING.
NOW, OF COURSE, THAT GOES TO

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NOW, OF COURSE, THAT GOES TO
EXPLAIN WHY THE SITUATION NOW IS

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EXPLAIN WHY THE SITUATION NOW IS
SO DELICATE.

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SO DELICATE.
AS THE KURDS DO A DEAL WITH

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AS THE KURDS DO A DEAL WITH
PRESIDENT ASSAD IN DAMASCUS,

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PRESIDENT ASSAD IN DAMASCUS,
THERE ARE THOSE ASSAD FORCES

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THERE ARE THOSE ASSAD FORCES
COMING UP THROUGH THE COUNTRY

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COMING UP THROUGH THE COUNTRY
THAT COULD MEET WITH THOSE

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THAT COULD MEET WITH THOSE
TURKISH-BACKED MILITIA WHO HAVE

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TURKISH-BACKED MILITIA WHO HAVE
ALWAYS VOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST

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ALWAYS VOWED TO FIGHT AGAINST
DAMASCUS.

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DAMASCUS.
IT’S A TRICKY SITUATION.

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IT’S A TRICKY SITUATION.
IN THE BACKGROUND PRESIDENT

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IN THE BACKGROUND PRESIDENT
PUTIN IS ABLE TO PICK UP THE

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PUTIN IS ABLE TO PICK UP THE
PHONE TO PRESIDENT ASSAD AND

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PHONE TO PRESIDENT ASSAD AND
ERDOGAN.

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ERDOGAN.
YOU ASKED ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN

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YOU ASKED ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN
SITUATION.

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SITUATION.
WE STILL HAVE THE SITUATION OF

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WE STILL HAVE THE SITUATION OF
JUST THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS WHO

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JUST THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS WHO
HAVE FLED.

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HAVE FLED.
WE’VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE

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WE’VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE
CIVILIANS CELEBRATING IRONICALLY

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CIVILIANS CELEBRATING IRONICALLY
AS PRESIDENT I SAD’SASSAD’S FORC

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AS PRESIDENT I SAD’SASSAD’S FORC
ARRIVED IN THE KURDISH AREAS,

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ARRIVED IN THE KURDISH AREAS,
THAT TELLS YOU HOW DESPERATE

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THAT TELLS YOU HOW DESPERATE
THEY’VE BEEN FACED WITH THE

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THEY’VE BEEN FACED WITH THE
TURKISH MILITARY.

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TURKISH MILITARY.
THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IS

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THE HUMANITARIAN SITUATION IS
NOT GOOD.

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NOT GOOD.
THERE ARE DOZENS OF CASUALTIES.

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THERE ARE DOZENS OF CASUALTIES.
YOU COULD SAY PERHAPS YOU MIGHT

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YOU COULD SAY PERHAPS YOU MIGHT
HAVE EXPECTED MORE, BUT WHAT

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HAVE EXPECTED MORE, BUT WHAT
PEOPLE REALLY FEAR IS THAT THIS

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PEOPLE REALLY FEAR IS THAT THIS
ALL LEADS TO A CLASH BETWEEN

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ALL LEADS TO A CLASH BETWEEN
TURKEY AND THE SYRIAN ARMY, AND

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TURKEY AND THE SYRIAN ARMY, AND
OF COURSE THE SYRIANS BACKED BY

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OF COURSE THE SYRIANS BACKED BY
IRAN AND RUSSIA AND JUST WHERE

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IRAN AND RUSSIA AND JUST WHERE
ALL THAT LEADS.

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ALL THAT LEADS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I MENTIONED

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ON THE OTHER HAND, I MENTIONED
PUTIN, PERHAPS PUTIN IS ABLE TO

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PUTIN, PERHAPS PUTIN IS ABLE TO
GET A DEAL DONE THAT PREVENTS

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GET A DEAL DONE THAT PREVENTS
THAT KIND OF CLASH.

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THAT KIND OF CLASH.
I DON’T THINK WE COULD BE

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I DON’T THINK WE COULD BE
CONFIDENT OF THAT.

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CONFIDENT OF THAT.
>> LET’S TALK ABOUT THE

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>> LET’S TALK ABOUT THE
DEVELOPMENTS CONCERNING A LOT OF

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DEVELOPMENTS CONCERNING A LOT OF
NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.

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NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.
THE POSSIBILITY OF HUNDREDS IF

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THE POSSIBILITY OF HUNDREDS IF
NOT THOUSANDS OF ISIS FIGHTERS,

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NOT THOUSANDS OF ISIS FIGHTERS,
SYMPATHIZERS, THEIR FAMILY

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SYMPATHIZERS, THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS BEING LET OUT OF PRISONS

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MEMBERS BEING LET OUT OF PRISONS
AS A RESULT OF THE TURKISH

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AS A RESULT OF THE TURKISH
SHELLING OR PERHAPS ESCAPING

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SHELLING OR PERHAPS ESCAPING
BECAUSE TURKISH FORCES PULL AWAY

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BECAUSE TURKISH FORCES PULL AWAY
FROM SOME OF THOSE SECURE

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FROM SOME OF THOSE SECURE
LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WERE

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LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WERE
DETAINED WHAT ARE YOU HEARING

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DETAINED WHAT ARE YOU HEARING
ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN SOME

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ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN SOME
OF THESE SIGHTS AND THE RETURN,

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OF THESE SIGHTS AND THE RETURN,
IF YOU WILL, OF THE RANKS OF

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IF YOU WILL, OF THE RANKS OF
ISIS BACK INTO THE THEATER OF

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ISIS BACK INTO THE THEATER OF
OPERATIONS?

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OPERATIONS?
>> YEAH.

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>> YEAH.
IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT AT LEAST

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IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT AT LEAST
SOME ISIS MEMBERS WHO WERE IN A

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SOME ISIS MEMBERS WHO WERE IN A
CAMP TOWARDS THE SOUTH HAVE

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CAMP TOWARDS THE SOUTH HAVE
ESCAPED.

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ESCAPED.
MOST OF THOSE ARE WOMEN AND

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MOST OF THOSE ARE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN.

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CHILDREN.
SOME OF THEM ARE SERIOUS ISIS

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SOME OF THEM ARE SERIOUS ISIS
FANATICS.

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FANATICS.
AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT SOME OF

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AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT SOME OF
THE JAILERS F YOU’D ER S FSHGSJA

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THE JAILERS F YOU’D ER S FSHGSJA
KURDISH PRISONS WHERE MORE

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KURDISH PRISONS WHERE MORE
SERIOUS ISIS FIGHTERS ARE HAVE

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SERIOUS ISIS FIGHTERS ARE HAVE
WALKED AWAY.

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WALKED AWAY.
IT’S IN THE KURDS INTEREST TO

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IT’S IN THE KURDS INTEREST TO
SAY ITIES FIGHTSIS FIGHTERS WILL

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SAY ITIES FIGHTSIS FIGHTERS WILL
RELEASED BECAUSE THAT PUTS

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RELEASED BECAUSE THAT PUTS
PRESSURE ON AMERICA.

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PRESSURE ON AMERICA.
THE REALITY IS THAT IF PRESIDENT

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THE REALITY IS THAT IF PRESIDENT
ASSAD’S FORCES ARE FLOODING

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ASSAD’S FORCES ARE FLOODING
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY HAVE NO

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ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THEY HAVE NO
SYMPATHY WITH ISIS.

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SYMPATHY WITH ISIS.
SO IF THEY CAPTURE THOSE ISIS

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SO IF THEY CAPTURE THOSE ISIS
MEMBERS, THEN I THINK THEIR

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MEMBERS, THEN I THINK THEIR
FUTURE IS PRETTY BLEAK.

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FUTURE IS PRETTY BLEAK.
IT’S DIFFICULT TO KNOW.

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IT’S DIFFICULT TO KNOW.
THAT’S THE HONEST TRUTH.

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THAT’S THE HONEST TRUTH.
THIS IS A MOVING, SHIFTING

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THIS IS A MOVING, SHIFTING
CONFLICT.

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CONFLICT.
A CHANGING EVERY HOUR.

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A CHANGING EVERY HOUR.
EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO

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EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO
SHAPE UP IS DIFFICULT.

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SHAPE UP IS DIFFICULT.
CERTAINLY ISIS IS TRYING TO

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CERTAINLY ISIS IS TRYING TO
REGROUP AND TRYING FOR A

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REGROUP AND TRYING FOR A
RESURGENCE IN THE CHAOS.

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RESURGENCE IN THE CHAOS.
>> LET ME BRING IN MY COLLEAGUE,

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>> LET ME BRING IN MY COLLEAGUE,
RICHARD ENGEL INSIDE NORTHERN

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RICHARD ENGEL INSIDE NORTHERN
SYRIA FOR US.

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SYRIA FOR US.
HE HAS MANAGED TO JOIN US.

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HE HAS MANAGED TO JOIN US.
ALL RIGHT.

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ALL RIGHT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST LOST

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SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST LOST
THAT CONNECTION WE WERE TRYING

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THAT CONNECTION WE WERE TRYING
TO ESTABLISH WITH HIM AT THE TOP

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TO ESTABLISH WITH HIM AT THE TOP
OF THE HOUR.

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OF THE HOUR.
PJ, LET ME COME TO YOU AND TALK

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PJ, LET ME COME TO YOU AND TALK
ABOUT THIS.

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ABOUT THIS.
WE CAN ALMOST GO POINT BY POINT

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WE CAN ALMOST GO POINT BY POINT
FROM SOME OF THE PRESIDENT’S

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FROM SOME OF THE PRESIDENT’S
JUSTIFICATIONS FOR WHAT HE DID

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JUSTIFICATIONS FOR WHAT HE DID
AND PERHAPS THE ONE THAT STANDS

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AND PERHAPS THE ONE THAT STANDS
OUT THE MOST WAS THE PRESIDENT

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OUT THE MOST WAS THE PRESIDENT
SAYING HE WANTED TO END ENDLESS

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SAYING HE WANTED TO END ENDLESS
WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

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WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
WE PLAYED THAT SOUND BYTE SAYING

07:22.314 --> 07:24.014
WE PLAYED THAT SOUND BYTE SAYING
WE DON’T NEED TO HAVE U.S.

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WE DON’T NEED TO HAVE U.S.
TROOPS GUARDING THE TURKEY/SYRIA

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TROOPS GUARDING THE TURKEY/SYRIA
BORDER FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.

07:28.954 --> 07:30.454
BORDER FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
IRONICALLY THIS ADMINISTRATION

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IRONICALLY THIS ADMINISTRATION
ANNOUNCED ON FRIDAY IT WAS

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ANNOUNCED ON FRIDAY IT WAS
SENDING ABOUT 3 MORE TROOPS TO

07:33.925 --> 07:35.325
SENDING ABOUT 3 MORE TROOPS TO
SAUDI ARABIA, ALONG WITH FIGHTER

07:35.327 --> 07:36.927
SAUDI ARABIA, ALONG WITH FIGHTER
JETS AND MISSILE DEFENSE

07:36.929 --> 07:38.228
JETS AND MISSILE DEFENSE
WEAPONRY IN RESPONSE TO THE

07:38.230 --> 07:40.231
WEAPONRY IN RESPONSE TO THE
ATTACK ON THAT COUNTRY’S OIL

07:40.232 --> 07:40.564
ATTACK ON THAT COUNTRY’S OIL
FIELDS.

07:40.566 --> 07:41.866
FIELDS.
THE U.S. CONTINUES TO SUPPORT

07:41.900 --> 07:43.101
THE U.S. CONTINUES TO SUPPORT
SAUDI ARABIA IN AN ENDLESS WAR

07:43.134 --> 07:46.570
SAUDI ARABIA IN AN ENDLESS WAR
IN YEMEN, NOT TO MENTION WHAT’S

07:46.571 --> 07:48.072
IN YEMEN, NOT TO MENTION WHAT’S
TAKING PLACE IN LIBYA AND

07:48.073 --> 07:48.439
TAKING PLACE IN LIBYA AND
ELSEWHERE.

07:48.440 --> 07:50.441
ELSEWHERE.
THIS IS, IT SEEMS, AN

07:50.442 --> 07:51.876
THIS IS, IT SEEMS, AN
EXPLANATION THAT FALLS FLAT ON

07:51.910 --> 07:53.544
EXPLANATION THAT FALLS FLAT ON
ITS FACE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE

07:53.578 --> 07:53.877
ITS FACE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
FACTS.

07:53.879 --> 07:56.480
FACTS.
>> THIS IS, I THINK, A STRATEGIC

07:56.482 --> 07:59.483
>> THIS IS, I THINK, A STRATEGIC
DISASTER FOR THE UNITED STATES.

07:59.517 --> 08:02.820
DISASTER FOR THE UNITED STATES.
THE FACT IS THAT THE SYRIAN

08:02.854 --> 08:04.988
THE FACT IS THAT THE SYRIAN
DEMOCRATIC FORCES, THE SDF OF

08:04.990 --> 08:06.557
DEMOCRATIC FORCES, THE SDF OF
WHICH THE KURDS DOMINATE, THEY

08:06.558 --> 08:08.192
WHICH THE KURDS DOMINATE, THEY
WERE THE ONES WHO WERE DOING THE

08:08.193 --> 08:09.894
WERE THE ONES WHO WERE DOING THE
HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF

08:09.895 --> 08:11.596
HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF
FIGHTING AGAINST THE ISLAMIC

08:11.597 --> 08:15.166
FIGHTING AGAINST THE ISLAMIC
STATE CALIPHATE AND SECURING THE

08:15.167 --> 08:17.501
STATE CALIPHATE AND SECURING THE
TERRITORY PENDING SOME SORT OF

08:17.536 --> 08:18.335
TERRITORY PENDING SOME SORT OF
POLITICAL RESOLUTION.

08:18.370 --> 08:20.371
POLITICAL RESOLUTION.
THAT MAY WELL HAVE BEEN FAR OFF,

08:20.372 --> 08:21.506
THAT MAY WELL HAVE BEEN FAR OFF,
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE

08:21.540 --> 08:25.176
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE
PRESIDENT HAS GIVEN UP IS ALL

08:25.210 --> 08:27.278
PRESIDENT HAS GIVEN UP IS ALL
FORMS OF LEVERAGE HERE.

08:27.279 --> 08:28.880
FORMS OF LEVERAGE HERE.
WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU

08:28.881 --> 08:30.515
WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU
KNOW, GOING FORWARD IN SYRIA,

08:30.516 --> 08:31.482
KNOW, GOING FORWARD IN SYRIA,
THE UNITED STATES LOST ITS

08:31.484 --> 08:33.417
THE UNITED STATES LOST ITS
ABILITY TO DICTATE ANY KIND OF

08:33.419 --> 08:35.019
ABILITY TO DICTATE ANY KIND OF
RESOLUTION THAT IS CONSISTENT

08:35.054 --> 08:36.387
RESOLUTION THAT IS CONSISTENT
WITH U.S. INTERESTS.

08:36.422 --> 08:37.822
WITH U.S. INTERESTS.
>> ANOTHER POINT, THE

08:37.857 --> 08:39.590
>> ANOTHER POINT, THE
PRESIDENT’S ATTITUDE HAS BEEN ON

08:39.625 --> 08:42.994
PRESIDENT’S ATTITUDE HAS BEEN ON
THIS ISSUE, LET THEM FIGHT IT

08:42.995 --> 08:43.227
THIS ISSUE, LET THEM FIGHT IT
OUT.

08:43.262 --> 08:45.529
OUT.
HE MAKES WRETCH FRENS SS REFEREN

08:45.531 --> 08:46.464
HE MAKES WRETCH FRENS SS REFEREN
CENTURIES OLD BATTLES.

08:46.498 --> 08:48.333
CENTURIES OLD BATTLES.
>> WHAT IS THE RISK IN ADOPTING

08:48.367 --> 08:51.203
>> WHAT IS THE RISK IN ADOPTING
THE PRESIDENT’S POLICY OR

08:51.237 --> 08:52.737
THE PRESIDENT’S POLICY OR
APPROACH WHICH IS LET THE TURKS

08:52.772 --> 08:54.639
APPROACH WHICH IS LET THE TURKS
AND KURDS FIGHT THIS OUT.

08:54.640 --> 08:56.207
AND KURDS FIGHT THIS OUT.
HOW COULD THAT IMPACT AND SPILL

08:56.242 --> 08:56.541
HOW COULD THAT IMPACT AND SPILL
OVER?

08:56.542 --> 08:57.842
OVER?
>> WE CREATED A VACUUM.

08:57.843 --> 08:59.811
>> WE CREATED A VACUUM.
WHO IS LIKELY TO TAKE FULL

08:59.812 --> 09:01.412
WHO IS LIKELY TO TAKE FULL
ADVANTAGE OF THAT VACUUM?

09:01.414 --> 09:04.615
ADVANTAGE OF THAT VACUUM?
YOU KNOW, RUSSIA, IRAN, SYRIA,

09:04.617 --> 09:06.317
YOU KNOW, RUSSIA, IRAN, SYRIA,
AND POTENTIALLY AS WE WERE JUST

09:06.319 --> 09:08.153
AND POTENTIALLY AS WE WERE JUST
TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE

09:08.187 --> 09:08.687
TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE
ISLAMIC STATE.

09:08.721 --> 09:10.955
ISLAMIC STATE.
LAST TIME I CHECKED, ANY TIME

09:10.990 --> 09:13.057
LAST TIME I CHECKED, ANY TIME
RUSSIA, IRAN, SYRIA AND THE

09:13.059 --> 09:14.259
RUSSIA, IRAN, SYRIA AND THE
ISLAMIC STATE ARE HAPPY, THAT’S

09:14.260 --> 09:17.362
ISLAMIC STATE ARE HAPPY, THAT’S
NOT A SITUATION THAT IS

09:17.363 --> 09:18.296
NOT A SITUATION THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE UNITED

09:18.331 --> 09:18.964
CONSISTENT WITH THE UNITED
STATES INTEREST.

09:18.998 --> 09:21.066
STATES INTEREST.
>> PJ WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW IRAN

09:21.067 --> 09:22.501
>> PJ WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW IRAN
MAY BE ONE OF THE COUNTRIES

09:22.535 --> 09:23.935
MAY BE ONE OF THE COUNTRIES
FILLING IN THE VACUUMS.

09:23.936 --> 09:26.438
FILLING IN THE VACUUMS.
TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THE

09:26.439 --> 09:29.174
TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THE
ALLIANCE OF SYRIA, THE SYRIAN

09:29.175 --> 09:30.842
ALLIANCE OF SYRIA, THE SYRIAN
GOVERNMENT, I SHOULD SAY, RUSSIA

09:30.843 --> 09:32.644
GOVERNMENT, I SHOULD SAY, RUSSIA
AND IRAN COULD, IN FACT, CHANGE

09:32.645 --> 09:34.279
AND IRAN COULD, IN FACT, CHANGE
THE BALANCE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

09:34.280 --> 09:37.382
THE BALANCE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
INSIDE SYRIA.

09:37.383 --> 09:39.885
INSIDE SYRIA.
>> THAT ALONE HAS ALREADY

09:39.886 --> 09:41.286
>> THAT ALONE HAS ALREADY
CHANGED THE BALANCE INSIDE

09:41.321 --> 09:41.586
CHANGED THE BALANCE INSIDE
SYRIA.

09:41.587 --> 09:43.688
SYRIA.
THIS WEEK, WE ARE SEEING ANOTHER

09:43.689 --> 09:44.355
THIS WEEK, WE ARE SEEING ANOTHER
PROFOUND SHIFT.

09:44.390 --> 09:46.491
PROFOUND SHIFT.
I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS TO

09:46.525 --> 09:47.792
I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS TO
SAY ABOUT THAT.

09:47.794 --> 09:50.262
SAY ABOUT THAT.
FIRSTLY, IF THERE IS A CONFLICT

09:50.296 --> 09:54.599
FIRSTLY, IF THERE IS A CONFLICT
BETWEEN TURKEY AND THE SYRIAN

09:54.600 --> 09:56.201
BETWEEN TURKEY AND THE SYRIAN
ARMY, RUN FROM DAMASCUS, THAT

09:56.235 --> 09:57.736
ARMY, RUN FROM DAMASCUS, THAT
COULD SUCK IN IRAN.

09:57.770 --> 09:59.304
COULD SUCK IN IRAN.
IRAN AND RUSSIA SUPPORT

09:59.305 --> 10:01.306
IRAN AND RUSSIA SUPPORT
PRESIDENT ASSAD AND DAMASCUS.

10:01.340 --> 10:01.973
PRESIDENT ASSAD AND DAMASCUS.
THAT’S ONE THING.

10:02.008 --> 10:03.375
THAT’S ONE THING.
ANOTHER THING IS THERE ARE STILL

10:03.376 --> 10:05.677
ANOTHER THING IS THERE ARE STILL
U.S. FORCES, SPECIAL FORCES

10:05.678 --> 10:06.578
U.S. FORCES, SPECIAL FORCES
INSIDE SYRIA.

10:06.579 --> 10:10.415
INSIDE SYRIA.
THEY ARE IN AN AREA TOWARDS THE

10:10.416 --> 10:11.383
THEY ARE IN AN AREA TOWARDS THE
ISRAELI BORDER AND JORDAN.

10:11.384 --> 10:12.818
ISRAELI BORDER AND JORDAN.
IF THE U.S. GOT TO A POINT WHERE

10:12.852 --> 10:15.254
IF THE U.S. GOT TO A POINT WHERE
IT FELT IT HAD TO WITHDRAW THOSE

10:15.288 --> 10:16.822
IT FELT IT HAD TO WITHDRAW THOSE
TROOPS OR, INDEED, IF THE

10:16.823 --> 10:18.190
TROOPS OR, INDEED, IF THE
PRESIDENT JUST MAKES A GUT

10:18.191 --> 10:19.792
PRESIDENT JUST MAKES A GUT
INSTINCT DECISION TO WITHDRAW

10:19.793 --> 10:21.493
INSTINCT DECISION TO WITHDRAW
ALL U.S. TROOPS FROM SYRIA, THAT

10:21.495 --> 10:23.528
ALL U.S. TROOPS FROM SYRIA, THAT
WILL HAVE ISRAEL VERY, VERY

10:23.530 --> 10:23.829
WILL HAVE ISRAEL VERY, VERY
WORRIED.

10:23.864 --> 10:25.664
WORRIED.
THOSE TROOPS ARE THERE, MUCH

10:25.699 --> 10:28.200
THOSE TROOPS ARE THERE, MUCH
LIKE THE U.S. FORCES IN THE

10:28.202 --> 10:30.736
LIKE THE U.S. FORCES IN THE
NORTH OF THE COUNTRY WERE THERE

10:30.770 --> 10:31.770
NORTH OF THE COUNTRY WERE THERE
TO SUPPORT THE KURDS, THOSE

10:31.805 --> 10:33.339
TO SUPPORT THE KURDS, THOSE
TROOPS ARE THERE TO HOLD BACK

10:33.340 --> 10:35.841
TROOPS ARE THERE TO HOLD BACK
IRAN AND IRANIAN FORCES IN SYRIA

10:35.843 --> 10:37.643
IRAN AND IRANIAN FORCES IN SYRIA
AND TO CREATE A BUFFER AGAINST

10:37.677 --> 10:39.845
AND TO CREATE A BUFFER AGAINST
MORE TENSION WITH ISRAEL.

10:39.846 --> 10:42.281
MORE TENSION WITH ISRAEL.
THE IRANIANS CANNOT BE FORGOTTEN

10:42.315 --> 10:43.549
THE IRANIANS CANNOT BE FORGOTTEN
IN ALL OF THIS.

10:43.583 --> 10:45.284
IN ALL OF THIS.
THEY’RE LOOMING.

10:45.318 --> 10:47.152
THEY’RE LOOMING.
THEY CAN BE SUCKED IN MORE.

10:47.153 --> 10:49.554
THEY CAN BE SUCKED IN MORE.
BY THE WAY, ALL OF THIS COULD

10:49.556 --> 10:50.956
BY THE WAY, ALL OF THIS COULD
LEAD TO A SITUATION WHERE

10:50.957 --> 10:52.958
LEAD TO A SITUATION WHERE
AMERICA GETS SUCKED BACK INTO

10:52.959 --> 10:53.759
AMERICA GETS SUCKED BACK INTO
THE CONFLICT.

10:53.760 --> 10:55.427
THE CONFLICT.
YOU JUST DON’T KNOW HOW THESE

10:55.429 --> 10:56.762
YOU JUST DON’T KNOW HOW THESE
EVENTS WILL PLAY OUT.

10:56.797 --> 11:00.199
EVENTS WILL PLAY OUT.
>> INTERESTING POINT.

11:00.233 --> 11:02.768
>> INTERESTING POINT.
PJ, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE

11:02.802 --> 11:06.238
PJ, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE
DOMESTIC POLITICS OF THIS.

11:06.273 --> 11:07.740
DOMESTIC POLITICS OF THIS.
NANCY PELOSI TWEETING THAT SHE

11:07.741 --> 11:12.378
NANCY PELOSI TWEETING THAT SHE
AND LINDSEY GRAHAM HAVE COME TO

11:12.412 --> 11:14.914
AND LINDSEY GRAHAM HAVE COME TO
A STRONGER SANCTIONS PACKAGE

11:14.948 --> 11:16.282
A STRONGER SANCTIONS PACKAGE
THAN THE WHITE HOUSE IS

11:16.283 --> 11:16.682
THAN THE WHITE HOUSE IS
SUGGESTING.

11:16.683 --> 11:17.950
SUGGESTING.
LET ME GET YOUR THOUGHTS.

11:17.951 --> 11:19.652
LET ME GET YOUR THOUGHTS.
CAN THE DECISION TO PULL OUT OF

11:19.653 --> 11:21.587
CAN THE DECISION TO PULL OUT OF
NORTHERN SYRIA BE UNDONE BY

11:21.622 --> 11:23.489
NORTHERN SYRIA BE UNDONE BY
DOMESTIC POLITICAL PRESSURE

11:23.490 --> 11:25.257
DOMESTIC POLITICAL PRESSURE
APPLIED BY CONGRESS ON THE

11:25.292 --> 11:25.958
APPLIED BY CONGRESS ON THE
PRESIDENT?

11:25.959 --> 11:27.793
PRESIDENT?
SECOND, WOULD SANCTIONS ON

11:27.794 --> 11:29.395
SECOND, WOULD SANCTIONS ON
TURKEY, YOU THINK FROM YOUR

11:29.429 --> 11:31.163
TURKEY, YOU THINK FROM YOUR
UNDERSTANDING OF TURKISH

11:31.198 --> 11:33.299
UNDERSTANDING OF TURKISH
POLITICS AND PRESIDENT ERDOGAN’S

11:33.333 --> 11:34.867
POLITICS AND PRESIDENT ERDOGAN’S
MENTALITY WORK AT THIS POINT?

11:34.902 --> 11:37.170
MENTALITY WORK AT THIS POINT?
>> WELL, SANCTIONS CAN BE AN

11:37.171 --> 11:40.006
>> WELL, SANCTIONS CAN BE AN
EFFECTIVE TOOL, BUT THEY TAKE

11:40.041 --> 11:40.306
EFFECTIVE TOOL, BUT THEY TAKE
TIME.

11:40.307 --> 11:41.874
TIME.
BY THE TIME SANCTIONS WOULD

11:41.909 --> 11:43.710
BY THE TIME SANCTIONS WOULD
REALLY TAKE A BITE OUT OF THE

11:43.711 --> 11:46.813
REALLY TAKE A BITE OUT OF THE
TURKISH ECONOMY, CHANCES ARE

11:46.814 --> 11:48.181
TURKISH ECONOMY, CHANCES ARE
PRESIDENT ERDOGAN WHO HAS HIS

11:48.182 --> 11:50.016
PRESIDENT ERDOGAN WHO HAS HIS
OWN DOMESTIC POLITICAL

11:50.051 --> 11:51.117
OWN DOMESTIC POLITICAL
CONSIDERATIONS, WILL HAVE

11:51.118 --> 11:52.752
CONSIDERATIONS, WILL HAVE
ACCOMPLISHED WHAT HE WANTS TO

11:52.786 --> 11:54.587
ACCOMPLISHED WHAT HE WANTS TO
ACCOMPLISH IN SYRIA, WHICH IS TO

11:54.588 --> 11:56.422
ACCOMPLISH IN SYRIA, WHICH IS TO
ELIMINATE THE PROSPECT OF A

11:56.423 --> 11:59.025
ELIMINATE THE PROSPECT OF A
KURDISH AUTONOMOUS REGION, YOU

11:59.026 --> 12:04.130
KURDISH AUTONOMOUS REGION, YOU
KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN IRAQ.

12:04.131 --> 12:05.832
KNOW, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN IRAQ.
SO, YES, OVER THE LONG-TERM

12:05.833 --> 12:07.100
SO, YES, OVER THE LONG-TERM
SANCTIONS CAN HAVE AN EFFECT.

12:07.101 --> 12:09.836
SANCTIONS CAN HAVE AN EFFECT.
BUT IT’S NOT LIKELY TO DETER

12:09.870 --> 12:12.639
BUT IT’S NOT LIKELY TO DETER
ERDOGAN IN WHAT HE’S TRYING TO

12:12.640 --> 12:16.042
ERDOGAN IN WHAT HE’S TRYING TO
DO IN THE SHORT TO MITTDTERM.

12:16.043 --> 12:17.477
DO IN THE SHORT TO MITTDTERM.
I DON’T THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA

12:17.511 --> 12:20.913
I DON’T THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA
FOR CONGRESS TO BECOME A

12:20.915 --> 12:21.448
FOR CONGRESS TO BECOME A
CO-COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

12:21.482 --> 12:24.017
CO-COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
CONGRESS HAS POWERS IN TERMS OF

12:24.051 --> 12:25.852
CONGRESS HAS POWERS IN TERMS OF
SHAPING FOREIGN POLICY, BUT THE

12:25.886 --> 12:30.890
SHAPING FOREIGN POLICY, BUT THE
PRESIDENT IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

12:30.925 --> 12:32.158
PRESIDENT IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
HE HAS SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITIES

12:32.193 --> 12:35.962
HE HAS SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITIES
AND POWERS WITH RESPECT TO THE

12:35.963 --> 12:36.329
AND POWERS WITH RESPECT TO THE
MILITARY.

12:36.364 --> 12:39.366
MILITARY.
BUT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, HE HAS

12:39.400 --> 12:40.934
BUT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, HE HAS
DONE SOMETHING WHICH I THINK IN

12:40.968 --> 12:44.637
DONE SOMETHING WHICH I THINK IN
SOME SEGMENT OF AMERICAN

12:44.639 --> 12:46.473
SOME SEGMENT OF AMERICAN
POPULATION WILL BE POPULAR.

12:46.474 --> 12:49.276
POPULATION WILL BE POPULAR.
REMOVING TROOPS FROM HARM’S WAY,

12:49.310 --> 12:51.311
REMOVING TROOPS FROM HARM’S WAY,
BUT HE’S DONE IT, IN THE WORST

12:51.345 --> 12:51.945
BUT HE’S DONE IT, IN THE WORST
POSSIBLE WAY.

12:51.946 --> 12:53.480
POSSIBLE WAY.
THE IMAGE NOW OF THE MIDDLE EAST

12:53.481 --> 12:54.481
THE IMAGE NOW OF THE MIDDLE EAST
IS THE UNITED STATES STEPPED TO

12:54.482 --> 12:56.450
IS THE UNITED STATES STEPPED TO
THE SIDE, OTHERS ARE STEPPING

12:56.451 --> 12:58.085
THE SIDE, OTHERS ARE STEPPING
FORWARD, THEY’RE PROVING TO BE

12:58.086 --> 13:01.288
FORWARD, THEY’RE PROVING TO BE
MORE RELIABLE ALLIES, RUSSIA IN

13:01.289 --> 13:02.289
MORE RELIABLE ALLIES, RUSSIA IN
PARTICULAR THAT WILL HAVE A

13:02.290 --> 13:04.992
PARTICULAR THAT WILL HAVE A
LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCE IN TERMS

13:04.993 --> 13:06.994
LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCE IN TERMS
OF PERCEPTIONS OF AMERICAN

13:06.995 --> 13:07.995
OF PERCEPTIONS OF AMERICAN
LEADERSHIP IN AN IMPORTANT PART

13:07.996 --> 13:08.662
LEADERSHIP IN AN IMPORTANT PART
OF THE WORLD.

13:08.663 --> 13:09.897
OF THE WORLD.
>> IT’S QUITE INCREDIBLE WHEN

13:09.931 --> 13:14.135
>> IT’S QUITE INCREDIBLE WHEN
YOU THINK OF THE PRESSURE THE

13:14.168 --> 13:15.903
YOU THINK OF THE PRESSURE THE
PRESIDENT FACED FROM HIS OWN

13:15.936 --> 13:17.137
PRESIDENT FACED FROM HIS OWN
ADMINISTRATION, INCLUDING THE
