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EACH GETTING 49% OF THE VOTE IN

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A HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCHUP WITH 2%

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OF VOTERS STILL UNSURE HOW

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THEY’LL VOTE.

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WITH US NOW IS NBC NEWS AND THE

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SCHOOL OF PROFESSIONAL STUDIES

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AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND

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FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE

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NEW YORK STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

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AND LANCE TROVER, FORMER

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SPOKESMAN FOR NORTH DAKOTA DOUG

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BURGUM’S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

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>> MARK, MSNBC NEWS POLL SHOWS

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AN ENORMOUS GENDER GAP, MEN

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BACKING TRUMP BY 18 POINTS WHILE

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WOMEN BACK HARRIS BY 16 POINTS.

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WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?

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?

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JUST HOW DIVIDED WE ARE.

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YOU LOOK AT HOW WOMEN AND MEN

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ARE IN DIFFERENT PLACES ON THIS

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BALLOT.

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YOU CAN LOOK AT RURAL VOTERS,

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VERSUS RURAL VOTERS AND VOTERS

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WITH EDUCATION AND COLLEGE

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DEGREES OVERWHELMING BACKING

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KAMALA HARRIS AND WITHOUT

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DEGREES BACKING DONALD TRUMP.

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THAT’S WHY WE’RE GETTING 49-49

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AND IN BATTLEGROUND STATES IT’S

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48-47, BUT ALWAYS DO NOTE THERE

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ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE MIDDLE

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AND THAT PERSUADABLE MIDDLE DOES

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DECIDE ELECTIONS, AND SO IN OUR

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POLL WE HAVE INDEPENDENTS,

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HARRIS IS AHEAD OF THEM BY EIGHT

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PERCENTAGE POINTS.

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YOU KNOW, LATE DECIDERS WILL END

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UP MATTERING, BUT OVERALL WHEN

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WE GET TO WHAT OUR POLL SHOWS

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AND JUST HOW FUNDAMENTALLY

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DIVIDED WE ARE.

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>> BASEL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF

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THE RESULTS?

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>> WHAT KAMALA HARRIS HAS HAD TO

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DO IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IS

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PERSUASION IN TV AND FOR THE

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SMALL AMOUNT OF VOTERS THAT

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MIGHT BE PERSUADABLE, I THINK

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ABOUT THE JULIA ROBERTS AD.

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I THINK BECAUSE THEY WOULDN’T

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HAVE PUT MONEY BEHIND THAT IF

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THEY DIDN’T THINK THERE WAS

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SOMETHING THERE WHERE A LOT OF

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WOMEN MAY WANT TO VOTE

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DIFFERENTLY FROM WHAT THEIR

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HUSBANDS MAY WANT THEM TO DO.

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I THINK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF

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DONALD TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS

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AT MSG.

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SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE

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HAPPENING LATE IN THE CAMPAIGN

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GIVES TO ME, KAMALA HARRIS AN

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EDGE BECAUSE SHE HAS THE MONEY

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TO SPEND, THE OPPORTUNITY AND

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THE MESSAGING TO BE ABLE TO GO

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AFTER THAT SMALL SEGMENT OF

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VOTERS.

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>> AND LANCE, OVER THE PAST FEW

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WEEKS WE’VE HEARD FROM DONALD

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TRUMP ABOUT SHOOTING THROUGH THE

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PRESS, AND LIZ CHENEY, AND

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GIVING ELON MUSK MAJOR ROLES IN

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THE WHITE HOUSE.

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IS THAT THE BEST MESSAGE TO

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CLOSE WITH?

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>> I SAY THIS TIME AND AGAIN.

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I THINK IT’S BEST WHEN BOTH

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SIDES STICK TO THE ISSUES AND IF

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DONALD TRUMP STICKS TO THE

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ISSUES HE LEADS TO THE ECONOMY

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AND IMMIGRATION EVERY SINGLE

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TIME AND IT’S HIS WINNING

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MESSAGE.

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I DON’T THINK THERE’S OWNERSHIP

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ON EITHER SIDE.

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WE’VE SPENT IN OCTOBER THE

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HARRIS CAMPAIGN AMPLIFYING

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FASCISM AND AMPLIFYING HITLER

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AND NAZIISM AND THE OTHER STUFF.

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AS MUCH AS I’M CRITICAL WHEN

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TRUMP SAYS STUFF LIKE THAT I AM

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ALSO CRITICAL OF THE OTHER SIZE.

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TO BASEL’S POINT, THE HARRIS

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CAMPAIGN HAS MADE A STRATEGIC

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MOVE HERE AT THE END AND IT

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STEMS FROM WE SAW REPORTING LAST

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WEEK IN "THE NO, TIMES AND ALSO

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SOME IN "THE WASHINGTON POST"

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THIS MORNING WHERE HARRIS’ SUPER

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PAC HAS WARNED ABOUT THE FASCISM

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AND THE ATTACKS ON DONALD

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TRUMP’S CHARACTER AND SAYING

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THAT’S NOT BEEN WORKING AND

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THAT’S WHY YOU’RE SEEING A PIVOT

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TO THE COMPLETELY POSITIVE

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MESSAGING THAT SHE’S GOT GOING

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HERE IN THE LAST 48 HOURS OF THE

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RACE.

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SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS SHE’S

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NOT CLOSED THE DEAL AND SHE

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STILL HAS SOME WORK TO DO WITH

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THE INDEPENDENTS THAT YOU WERE

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TALKING ABOUT IN GETTING THEM TO

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THE POLLS FOR HER.

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>> IN ALL CAMPAIGNS, THEY DO

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CHANGE THEIR MESSAGE IN THE

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FINAL DAYS AND THE FINAL WEEKS

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AND IT’S A PROCESS -- IT’S A

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WORK IN THING PROCESS.

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NIKKI HALEY HAD AN OP ED URGING

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PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR TRUMP, SAYING

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I DON’T AGREE WITH TRUMP 100% OF

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THE TRUMP AND I DO AGREE WITH

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HIM MOST OF THE TIME AND I DO

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DISAGREE WITH MISS HARRIS NEARLY

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ALL OF THE TIME.

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THAT’S AN EASY CALL.

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IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE IT’S BEEN

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AN EASY CALL FOR HER IN THE PAST

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AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

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IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT

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THIS COULD HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE

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FINAL HOURS?

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>> WE HAVE SEVEN STATES THAT

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HAVE HALF A POINT AND THEY’LL

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BUCKLE UP FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF

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DAYS BECAUSE IT WILL BE A WILD

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RIDE.

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THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN NEEDS HELP

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AND I’M GLAD SHE’S SAYING WHAT

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SHE’S SAYING AND PUTTING THAT OP

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ED IN "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL."

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SHE ECHOES WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE

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DO.

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VOTERS ARE CLEAR-EYED OF WHO HE

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IS AND IN TERMS OF WHAT HE SAYS

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IN HIS RALLIES AND IF YOU LOOK

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AT THE POLLING IT CONSISTENTLY

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SHOWS THAT THEY LOOK BACK AT HIS

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PRESIDENCY QUITE FONDLY AND THEY

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WERE BETTER WHEN PRODUCES WERE

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UP 20% OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

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YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER SHE ECHOES

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THE SENTIMENT WHO MAY NOT LOVE

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HIS RETHETORIC AND THEY LOOK AT

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HIS POLICIES BEING GOOD.

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>> NUKIKKI HALEY HAS CALLED TRUM

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UNHINGED AND WASN’T QUALIFIED TO

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BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE

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SAID ABOUT THE MILITARY AND

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SERVICE MEMBERS, AND I WANT TO

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PIVOT FROM IDAHO -- IOWA, EXCUSE

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ME, THAT SENT SHOCK WAVES

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THROUGH THE MITT CALPOLITICAL UN

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AND THIS IS A STATE THAT TRUMP

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WON IN 2020 AND THE DES MOINES

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REGISTER SEES THE VICE PRESIDENT

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UP BY THREE POINTS WITHIN THE

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MARGIN OF ERROR.

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AGAIN, THIS IS IN IOWA, MARK.

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HOW DO YOU READ THIS POLL?

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>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO

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READ IT.

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ONE, ANN SELZER IS ONE OF THE

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MOST RESPECTED PUBLIC POLLSTERS

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IN THE COUNTRY AND WE END UP

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GETTING SOMETIMES SHOCKING

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RESULTS, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO

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TAKE HER NUMBERS VERY SERIOUSLY

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AND THEY COULD BE SHOWING

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MOMENTUM EVEN IF HARRIS ISN’T

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ABLE TO WIN A PLACE LIKE IOWA.

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HER PERFORMANCE WITH FEMALE

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VOTERS WITH COLLEGE DEGREES

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COULD SAY SOMETHING AND THERE

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ARE ANOTHER WAY TO READ IT IS

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THERE ARE OUTLIERS EVEN BY THE

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BEST POLLSTERS THAT ARE OUT

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THERE.

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THE GUIDANCE THAT I’VE HAD IS WE

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SHOULD TAKE THIS POLL ABSOLUTELY

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SERIOUSLY, BUT ALSO SKEPTICALLY,

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TOO.

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>> THE VICE PRESIDENT IS

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SPENDING HER FINAL FULL DAY IN

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PENNSYLVANIA GOING THROUGHOUT

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THE STATE, BUT NOT LEAVING

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PENNSYLVANIA.

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THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF, IS THIS

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A DAY WHEN MAYBE SHE SHOULD BE

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IN OTHER STATES, AS WELL.

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>> PENNSYLVANIA IS VERY

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IMPORTANT, AND I KNOW FROM THE

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LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS SO MANY

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PEOPLE I KNOW ARE GETTING ON THE

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BUS AND GOING TO OTHER STATES

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AND SHE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN

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WISCONSIN, AS WELL, AND I DON’T

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THINK ANYTHING IS OFF THE TABLE,

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BUT CLEARLY THERE’S A LOT OF

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EMPHASIS ON PENNSYLVANIA AND

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GOING TO THE POINT ABOUT THE

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ECONOMY.

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I HAVE TO SAY THIS.

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THE ECONOMY HAS BEEN BETTER, BY

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EVERY MAJOR METRIC.

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THE ECONOMY HAS DONE BETTER

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UNDER JOE BIDEN’S PRESIDENCY.

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YES, PRICES ARE UP AND INFLATION

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HAS GONE UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT I

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HAVE TO TACK THAT TO THE

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RHETORIC BECAUSE WHAT DONALD

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TRUMP HAS DONE IS MADE PEOPLE

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SAY THAT THEIR NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN

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THE ONE RIGGING THE SYSTEM

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AGAINST HIM AND THAT IS NOT

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TRUE, WHETHER YOU’RE AN

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IMMIGRANT AND WHETHER YOU’RE A

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PERSON OF COLOR IN THIS COUNTRY

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AND YOU ARE NOT THE ENEMY AND

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WHAT KAMALA HARRIS HAS TRIED TO

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SAY IS LOOK, THERE ARE FORCES

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OUT THERE AND THERE ARE

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INSTITUTIONS AND THERE ARE

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PEOPLE THAT ARE THE ONES THAT

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ARE RIGGING THE SYSTEM AGAINST

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YOU MAKING YOU FEEL LIKE YOU

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HAVE TO PROJECT THAT ANGER AND

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FRUSTRATION ON YOUR NEIGHBOR.

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SO WHEN YOU TIE THE ECONOMY TO

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YOUR RHETORIC, DONALD TRUMP HAS

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TRIED TO POINT THE FINGER AND

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KAMALA HARRIS’ CAMPAIGN HAS SAID

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NO AND IT’S ALL OF US MOVING

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TOGETHER AND ALL OF THAT ENERGY

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IS WHAT’S FUELED THE LAST COUPLE

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OF MONTHS OF THIS CAMPAIGN.

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>> GUYS, LET’S DO A LIGHTNING

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ROUND IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU’LL BE

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WATCHING TOMORROW NIGHT.

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LANCE?

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>> THE BIG THREE, WISCONSIN,

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MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA, NO

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QUESTION ABOUT IT.

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>> MARK?

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>> YOUR STATE OF FLORIDA.

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>> REALLY?

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>> NOT BECAUSE OF WHO WILL WIN,

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BUT BECAUSE IT CAST THE BALLOT

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SO QUICKLY AND EVEN THOUGH WE

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EXPECT TRUMP TO WIN WE’LL BE

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ABLE TO MEASURE HIS STRENGTH AND

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WEAKNESS AND VICE VERSA FOR

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HARRIS REALLY FAST BY 8:00 OR

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9:00 IN THE EVENING AND WE’LL

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KNOW WHERE THE WINDS ARE BLOWING

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EVEN IF WE DON’T KNOW WHO WINS.

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>> THE WHOLE STATE?

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>> WE WILL SEE ALMOST EVERY

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BALLOT COUNTED IN A TWO-HOUR

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PERIOD IN FLORIDA.

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SO IT WILL MOVE VERY FAST AND

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WE’LL GET THE FIRST GRADE

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INDICATION OF HOW THE NIGHT IS

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GOING.

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>> I’M LOOKING AT PENNSYLVANIA

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AND TEXAS.

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I’M ALSO LOOKING AT THE

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AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS BECAUSE