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>>> THERE IS A LOT IN THE

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>>> THERE IS A LOT IN THE

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165-PAGE BRIEF FROM JACK SMITH’S

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TEAM, BUT PERHAPS NO PORTION

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MORE RELEVANT TO THIS NEXT 33

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DAYS THAT A CONVERSATION A WHITE

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HOUSE AIDE TOLD INVESTIGATORS HE

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OVERHEARD BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP

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AND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS WHERE THE

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FORMER PRESIDENT SAID THE

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ELECTION DOESN’T MATTER, THE

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VOTES DON’T MATTER.

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QUOTE, IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU

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WIN OR LOST THE ELECTION.

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YOU HAVE TO FIGHT LIKE HELL.

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JOINING US NOW, FORMER RNC

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CHAIRMAN AND MSNBC POLITICAL

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ANALYST, MICHAEL STEELE, WHO’S

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ALSO COHOST OF MSNBC’S THE

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WEEKEND.

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ALSO WITH US, FORMER CAMPAIGN

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MANAGER FOR HILLARY CLINTON,

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ROBBY MOOK.

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HE SAYS IT DOESN’T MATTER, YOU

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GOT TO FIGHT LIKE HELL, WHAT

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DOES THAT MEAN FOR 33 DAYS FROM

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NOW, THE NEXT ELECTION?

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>> IT MEANS BUCKLE UP.

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YOU’RE GOING TO GET A REPRISE OF

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WHAT WE SAW AFTER THE ELECTION

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IN 2020.

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BUT THEY’RE GOING TO BE BETTER

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PREPARED FOR T.IT.

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THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN PLACE

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THAN THEY DID THEN.

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THEY KNOW WHERE THE HOT BUTTONS

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ARE, WHERE TO STEP AND NOT STEP.

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THEY HAVE A LEGAL TEAM SPREAD

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OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY,

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INCLUDING THE BATTLEGROUND

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STATES, SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE

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HAS KIND OF BEEN SLEEP WALKING

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SINCE THAT TIME, THINKING, WELL,

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IT WON’T HAPPEN, HE WAS NOT

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SERIOUS.

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NO, DONALD TRUMP WANTS THE

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PRESIDENCY, HE WANTS THE

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PRESIDENCY FOR POWER BECAUSE HE

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WANTS TO BE A DICTATOR.

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HE TOLD US THAT.

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AND HE WANTS THE PRESIDENCY TO

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PROTECT HIM BECAUSE OF ALL THE

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THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

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BEFORE COMING INTO THE SEGMENT.

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SO UNLESS PEOPLE REALLY

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UNDERSTAND THAT AND APPRECIATE

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WHAT IT MEANS TO ELECT HIM AGAIN

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IN NOVEMBER, YEAH, HE’S PREPARED

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TO THROW DOWN AND THROW DOWN

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HARD.

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HE WANTS IT BACK, AND HE WANTS

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IT BACK FOR A REASON.

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IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS

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FOLLOWERS.

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HE’S ALREADY TOLD THEM, I DON’T

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NEED YOU TO VOTE FOR ME.

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DON’T WORRY ABOUT VOTING FOR ME

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BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE’S FIXING THE

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SYSTEM.

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HE KNOWS HE’S PUTTING IN PLACE

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WHAT HE NEEDS TO DISRUPT THE

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PROCESS AND TO CREATE ENOUGH

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TENSION AND CONFUSION THAT

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YOU’LL HAVE PEOPLE ON THE

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STREETS PROTECTING AND DEFENDING

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HIM AND COMING TO HIS AID WHILE

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THE LAWYERS AND FOLKS LIKE US ON

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TV BE SITTING HERE GOING WHAT

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HAPPENED.

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>> THERE ARE THOSE OUT THERE WHO

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ARE REPUBLICANS AND DONALD TRUMP

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ALLIES, MOSTLY, WHO ARE LIKENING

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THIS TO WHAT JAMES COMEY DID TO

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THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN

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THE LEAD-UP TO THE ELECTION.

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DO YOU SEE IT AS THE SAME,

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ROBBY?

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>> WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST ON

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THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN, COMEY WAS

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MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE

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WAS CLOSING AN INVESTIGATION AND

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WAS CHOOSING NOT TO PRESS

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CHARGES.

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IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A

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PROSECUTOR WHO HAS PRESSED

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CHARGES, WAS SENT BACK BY THE

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JUDGE TO RE-EXAMINE THOSE

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CHARGES BASED ON DONALD TRUMP’S

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SUPREME COURT RULING IN HIS

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FAVOR, AND NOW HE’S COME BACK

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WITH EVEN MORE INFORMATION.

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SO THE TWO AREN’T REALLY ALIKE.

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AND I WOULD SAY IF TRUMP’S TEAM

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HAD WANTED TO HURRY UP AND GET

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THIS OVER WITH BEFORE THE

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ELECTION, I’M NOT A LAWYER, BUT

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THEY CERTAINLY AT NO JUNCTURE

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HAVE EVER TAKEN STEPS TO SPEED

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ANY OF THIS UP.

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I THINK HE LIKES THIS.

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I THINK HE WANTS THIS TO KEEP

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GOING.

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HE WANTS TO KEEP THIS FIGHT

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ALIVE, AND I THINK CHAIRMAN

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STEELE IS RIGHT, NOT THAT WE

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NEEDED MORE EVIDENCE BUT THIS IS

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DEFINITELY MORE EVIDENCE THAT

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THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE VOTERS.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.

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THIS IS ABOUT HIM WINNING AN

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ELECTION, AND TAKING POWER.

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>> LET ME PUT UP SOME POLLING,

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NBC NEWS POLLING ON WHAT THE

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MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES ARE TO

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VOTERS, AND YOU’LL SEE

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INFLATION, COST OF LIVING TOPS

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EVERYTHING.

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19% OF VOTERS SAY THREATS TO

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DEMOCRACY MATTERS.

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DO YOU SEE THIS FILING AS

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CONVINCING ANYBODY THAT THEY

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SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP

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OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING

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THAT THREATS TO DEMOCRACY

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MATTER, ARE THEY ALREADY BAKED

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IN AS VOTERS FOR KAMALA HARRIS?

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>> YEAH, I THINK THEY

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PROBABLY -- THE PEOPLE WHO DO

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CARE MOST ABOUT THIS PROBABLY

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HAVE MADE UP THEIR MIND.

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YOU KNOW, THIS IS YEAR EIGHT OF

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US HEARING ABOUT HIM UNDERMINING

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OUR DEMOCRACY.

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SO I DON’T THINK THERE’S

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ANYTHING NEW HERE.

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I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN AMPLE

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REMINDER TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT

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THINK HARRIS IS DOING FINE,

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MAYBE I WON’T VOTE, OR HOW

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IMPORTANT IS THIS ELECTION, THIS

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IS A IMPRAETGREAT REMINDER THAT

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INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

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AND I THINK ULTIMATELY, HARRIS’S

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PATH TO VICTORY RUNS THROUGH

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WHAT SHE CAN DO TO IMPROVE

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PEOPLE’S ECONOMIC SITUATIONS TO

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LOWER THE COST OF LIVING, AND I

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THINK THAT’S WHY YOU’VE SEEN THE

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CAMPAIGN LEAN INTO THAT SIDE OF

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THE ARGUMENT, RATHER THAN

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LITIGATE WHAT HAPPENED ON

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JANUARY 6th.

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>> I THINK ONE OF THE MOST

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SURPRISING THINGS ABOUT THIS

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ELECTION, PERHAPS TELLING, IS

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THE ABSENCE OF MIKE PENCE.

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YOU KNOW, HE’S NOT DONALD

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TRUMP’S RUNNING MATE AGAIN.

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MIKE PENCE HAS NOT COME OUT AND

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SAID YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR DONALD

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TRUMP, IN FACT, THE OPPOSITE.

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MIKE PENCE’S LIFE WAS IN DANGER

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ON JANUARY 6th, 2021.

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DONALD TRUMP, WE HAVE IN THIS

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FILING, DIDN’T REALLY CARE ABOUT

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THAT, ACCORDING TO PROSECUTORS.

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I WONDER, MICHAEL, WHY THAT

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HASN’T BEEN A SINGULAR ISSUE IN

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THIS CAMPAIGN?

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WHY THAT HASN’T BEEN A BIGGER

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ISSUE FOR VOTERS WHO WERE

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DECIDING BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP

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AND KAMALA HARRIS?

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>> BECAUSE I THINK IN LARGE

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MEASURE YOU HAVE MINDS THAT GO,

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WELL, DONALD TRUMP WANTED TO SEE

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HIM HANG, SO HE IS OF NO

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RELEVANCE IN THAT REGARD SKPRK

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THEN

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AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE WHO ARE

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SAYING OR ADVISING HIM IN SOME

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WAY TO POSITION HIMSELF FOR 2028

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BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW WHY,

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EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK THAT

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2028 IS GOING TO BE A BRAND NEW

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LANDSCAPE FOR THE REPUBLICAN

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PARTY IF DONALD TRUMP IS NOT IN

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THE WHITE HOUSE.

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I’D HATE TO DISABUSE YOU OF THAT

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NOTION, BUT THAT’S NOT HOW

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THAT’S GOING TO PLAY OUT.

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SO, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU WOULD

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THINK THAT PENCE, GIVEN ALL THAT

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HE’S BEEN INVOLVED IN WITH

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DONALD TRUMP AND ALL THAT’S

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HAPPENED TO HIM WOULD BE MORE

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VOCAL, WOULD BE MORE OUT THERE

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IN THE PUBLIC, WOULD BE STANDING

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WITH A LIZ CHENEY, YOU KNOW, MET

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METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING IF NOT

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ACCURATE, BUT HASN’T.

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THERE ARE OTHER CALCULATIONS

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BEING MADE BY HIM AND OTHERS

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ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT FOUR YEARS

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WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE

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FIFTH YEAR OF THE NEXT FOUR

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YEARS WILL LOOK LIKE FOR THEM

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POTENTIALLY BEING THE NOMINEE OF

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THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

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THEY STILL WANT TO BE THAT

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STANDARD BEARER FROM A PARTY

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THAT NO LONGER EXISTS, AND

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THAT’S GOING TO BE THE RUDE

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AWAKENING FOR THE LOT OF THESE

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FOLKS, WHETHER DONALD TRUMP WINS

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OR LOSES, MAGA RUNS THIS THING,

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SO THE BATTLE BEGINS INSIDE THE

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PARTY FORWHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE

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GOING FORWARD.

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AND GUYS LIKE PENCE, THEY DON’T

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WANT TO GET THEIR HANDS DIRTY.

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AND THEY’RE NOT.

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>> IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT J.D.

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VANCE MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO IF

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PUT IN THE SAME POSITION, J.D.

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VANCE WHO ON THE DEBATE STAGE

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JUST A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO --

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>> ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

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HE’S ELECTRICWILLING TO DO ANYTH

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EVERYTHING IF IT GETS HIM CLOSER

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TO THE POWER HE WANTS.

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>> HE WOULDN’T EVEN SAY THAT

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DONALD TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION.