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A PRIVATE ONE WITH MEMBERS OF

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HIS OWN CAMPAIGN PLAYING A

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CRITICAL ROLE.

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I WANT TO BRING IN ANDREW

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WICEMAN, FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL,

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FORMER SENIOR MEMBER OF THE

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MUELLER PROBE AND AN MSNBC LEGAL

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ANALYST.

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ALSO WITH ME, JOHN KASICH WHO IS

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AN MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST AND

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VAUGHN HILLYARD WITH ME ONSET.

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DO YOU THINK THE CHARGES ARE

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ENOUGH TO KEEP THE CHARGES

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INTACT?

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>> WHAT IS REMARKABLE, EVEN WITH

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THE SUPREME COURT RULING THAT

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KNOCKED OUT ALL EVIDENCE THAT

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WAS PLAINLY OFFICIAL CONDUCT

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WHERE IT COULDN’T BE REBUTTED TO

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SHOW THAT IT WAS BEING TAKEN ON

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BEHALF OF A CANDIDATE, THERE IS

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STILL JUST UNBELIEVABLY STRONG

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EVIDENCE.

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MY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS BRIEF IS

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THAT IF DONALD TRUMP IS NOT

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ELECTED PRESIDENT, AND SO,

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OBVIOUSLY, IF HE WINS THE

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ELECTION HE WILL HAVE HIS

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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DISMISS

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THIS CASE.

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IF HE IS NOT ELECTED, THIS CASE

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IS GOING TO GO FORWARD.

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THE LEVEL AND QUANTITY OF PROOF

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FROM ALL SORTS OF SOURCES,

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MOSTLY FROM WITHIN HIS OWN

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CAMPAIGN AND HIS OWN LAWYERS UP

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TO AND INCLUDING HIS OWN VICE

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PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS

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REPLETE.

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SO THERE’S VERY, VERY STRONG

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EVIDENCE THAT IS RECOUNTED IN

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THIS COMPENDIUM BY JACK SMITH.

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>> THE FILING HAS DETAILS ABOUT

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WHAT TRUMP HIMSELF SUPPOSEDLY

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SAID.

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FOR EXAMPLE, HE TOLD FAMILY

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MEMBERS, QUOTE, IT DOESN’T

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MATTER IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN OR

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LOST THE ELECTION.

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YOU STILL HAVE TO FIGHT LIKE

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HELL.

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WHAT’S THE VALUE OF INCLUDING

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STATEMENTS LIKE THAT?

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>> SO WHAT IS DIFFERENT IN THIS

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BRIEF THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE AS

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MUCH IN THE JANUARY 6th

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COMMITTEE HEARINGS IS DIRECT

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STATEMENTS, DIRECT EVIDENCE WITH

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PEOPLE WHO WERE SPEAKING TO THE

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PRESIDENT AND ALSO, HEARD WHAT

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THE PRESIDENT HAD TO SAY.

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SO YOU HAVE DIRECT ADMISSIONS.

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AND WILL THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF

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THAT.

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ONE, IT’S PLAIN THAT HE IS

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SPEAKING AS A CANDIDATE.

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AND FRANKLY, FOR ALL THE VIEWERS

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OUT THERE, OF COURSE HE IS.

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HE WAS INTERESTED IN BEING

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RE-ELECTED.

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THAT WAS HIS PRIMARY MOTIVATION.

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AND THAT WAS THE REASON HE DID A

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WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS.

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ONE REALLY INTERESTING VIGNETTE

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TO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT MEETING

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WITH RUDY GIULIANI WHO WAS

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ACTING AS HIS COUNSEL.

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DONALD TRUMP KICKED HIS OFFICIAL

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COUNSEL OUT OF THE MEETING.

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SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING TO SHOW

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THAT IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL

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DISCUSSION, THAT IS A WONDERFUL

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VIGNETTE THAT JUDGE SMITH

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LATCHES ON TO.

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SO HERE YOU HAVE BOTH REALLY

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STRONG EVIDENCE THAT THE

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PRESIDENT WAS ACTING AS A

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CANDIDATE TO TRY TO WIN THE

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ELECTION IN SPITE OF THE FACT

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THAT THE VOTES WERE AGAINST HIM.

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THAT’S THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.

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AND YOU HAVE REALLY STRONG

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EVIDENCE IF AND WHEN THIS GOES

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TO TRIAL OF HIS MENS REA, HIS

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MENTAL STATE THAT HE DIDN’T CARE

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WHETHER HE WON OR LOST.

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HE WAS GOING TO STAY.

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IT DIDN’T MATTER WHAT THE FACTS

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WERE.

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THAT’S THE DONALD TRUMP THAT WE

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ALL KNOW VERY WELL.

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FACTS DO NOT MATTER IN EARTH

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TWO.

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>> SO A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES.

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THE FILING DESCRIBES TRUMP BEING

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TOLD ON JANUARY 6th THAT MIKE

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PENCE HAD TO BE EVACUATED AND

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TRUMP’S RESPONSE WAS, SO WHAT?

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PENCE HIMSELF TOLD TRUMP AT

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LEAST FIVE TIMES THERE’S NO

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EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD.

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THE DETAILS ARE NEW BUT THIS IS

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FRANKLY THE DONALD TRUMP MOST

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AMERICANS ALREADY KNOW.

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SO POLITICALLY SPEAKING, I’M

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REALLY INTERESTED IN THOSE

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MIDDLE OF THE ROAD VOTERS WHO

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MAY STILL GO EITHER WAY.

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DOES THIS MOVE THE NEEDLE?

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>> YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A LITTLE

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BIT, CHRIS.

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LOOK.

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PEOPLE ARE DUG IN.

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AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE

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REPUBLICANS WHO SAY, HEY, THIS

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WAS AN OCTOBER SURPRISE THAT

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DROPPED ON HIM IN ORDER TO

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CHANGE THE ELECTION.

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IT COULD FIRE UP SOME OF THE

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BASE.

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ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE DEMOCRATS

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WILL BE SAYING, SEE, WE TOLD YOU

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SO.

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WHERE DOES IT COME OUT?

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IT MAY COME OUT MARGINALLY

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AGAINST TRUMP BUT I’M NOT SURE.

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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OCTOBER

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SURPRISES, THERE IS A COUPLE

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THINGS GOING ON NOW THAT COULD

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BE LABELED AS AN OCTOBER

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SURPRISE.

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ONE OF THEM IS THE STRIKE THAT’S

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GOING ON.

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THE PORT STRIKE.

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AND YOU CAN SEE PRICES

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DRAMATICALLY RAMP UP.

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I HEARD THIS MORNING THAT THERE

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ARE PEOPLE NOW THAT ARE GOING TO

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THESE STORES, THESE BIG BOX

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STORES WITH PALETTES.

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THEY’RE NOT GOING DOWN.

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THEY’RE GOING TO GO UP.

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IS THAT AN OCTOBER SURPRISE?

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HOW ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN

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THE MIDDLE EAST?

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THERE IS SO MUCH CHANGING OVER

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THERE AND NOT JUST THE INVASION

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OF LEBANON.

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GAZA, THE WEST BANK, WHAT WILL

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HAPPEN VIS-A-VIS IRAN.

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THERE IS ANOTHER THING THAT

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COULD COME AS AN OCTOBER

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SURPRISE.

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AND THIRDLY, HOW ABOUT THE

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STORM?

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WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NORTH

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CAROLINA?

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ARE PEOPLE GETTING THE HELP THAT

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THEY NEED?

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH INSURANCE

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PRICES?

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SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS IN THIS

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CRAZIEST CRAZY ELECTION YEAR

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FLOATING AROUND THAT COULD BE AN

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OCTOBER SURPRISE AND THIS IS

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JUST ONE OF THEM.

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WHAT WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST

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IMPACT?

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HOLD.

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ON WE’LL HAVE TO SEE.

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>> YEAH.

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BUCKLE UP.

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HE’S RIGHT.

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WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS

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TRIPLE THREAT.

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NOW YOU HAVE THIS ADDED IN.

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WHAT IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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SAYING ABOUT THIS?

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>> HIS SOCIAL MEDIA WOULD SAY IT

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IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF HIS MIND.

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FOR DONALD TRUMP, THIS IS AN

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ISSUE THAT HAS FOLLOWED HIM THE

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LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

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LET’S BE CLEAR.

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DONALD TRUMP CONTINUES TO SAY HE

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WON THE 2020 ELECTION.

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IN 2022 HE WAS CALLING FOR A

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REDO OF THE 2020 ELECTION.

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LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS

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BRIEFING.

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>> THIS WAS A WEAPONIZATION OF

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GOVERNMENT.

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THAT’S WHY IT WAS RELEASED 30

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DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

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AND IT’S NOTHING NEW IN THERE,

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BY THE WAY.

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THEY RIGGED THE ELECTION.

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I DIDN’T RIG THE ELECTION.

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THEY RIGGED THE ELECTION.

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>> TO BE CLEAR, THE D.C. FEDERAL

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JUDGE IS THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO

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RELEASE THIS REDACTED FILING.

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HIS ATTORNEYS AS THE JUDICIAL

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SYSTEM WILL PLAY OUT, HAVE THE

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OPPORTUNITY TO FILE THEIR OWN

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RESPONSE OVER THE NEXT TWO

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WEEKS.

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THEY’VE REQUESTED FIVE WEEKS TO

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DO THAT.

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TWO, THE JACK SMITH IMMUNITY

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BRIEFING THAT WAS FILED PUBLICLY

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YEFRLTD SO THEY WILL HAVE THE

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OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

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FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THIS

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WILL COME DOWN TO ELECTION DAY.

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WHETHER THIS CASE WILL EVER SEE

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THE LIGHT OF DAY EVEN IF THE

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JUDGE RULES THAT SOME OF THE

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CONVERSATIONS WITH VICE

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PRESIDENT PENCE ARE IMMUNE, THIS

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FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL BE

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A DECISION ON NOVEMBER 5th OF

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WHETHER THIS FEDERAL ELECTION

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CASE WILL GO FORWARD.

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DONALD TRUMP IS MAKING THE VERY

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CASE THAT THE FACT THAT THIS

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CASE IS PROCEEDING IN REAL-TIME

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AMOUNTS TO ELECTION INTERFERENCE

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IN ITS OWN SELF.

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OF COURSE, THE CHARGES ARE FOR

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FEDERAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE.

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>> ANY CHANCE THE TRUMP TEAM

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GETS THE EXTENSION?

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>> I THINK PROBABLY PRETTY GOOD.

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THIS IS A VERY LENGTHY BRIEF.

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AND I THINK THAT JUDGE CHUTKAN,

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REMEMBER, SHE COME FROM A

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DEFENSE BACKGROUND AS A DEFENDER

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AND SHE HAS BEEN VERY FAIR.

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BEFORE SHE MAKES ANY RULING, SHE

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HEARS FROM BOTH SIDES.

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I THINK THAT MAYBE SHE WON’T

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GIVE THEM ALL THAT TIME.

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I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF SHE

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DOES.

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SHE IS NOT TRYING TO GET THINGS

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DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION.

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SHE IS JUST GOT A MANDATE FROM

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THE SUPREME COURT AS TO WHAT

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SHE’S GOING TO, WHAT SHE HAS TO

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DO AND SHE IS STICKING TO THAT.

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I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF

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THEY’RE GIVEN MORE TIME JUST

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GIVEN THE LENGTH OF THE

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SUBMISSION.

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IT’S INTERESTING.

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YOU WOULD THINK DONALD TRUMP, IF

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SHE REALLY THOUGHT THAT HE HAD

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EITHER FACTUAL EVIDENCE OR LEGAL

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ARGUMENTS TO BE MADE, THAT HE

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WOULD WANT TO GET THAT IN BEFORE

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THE ELECTION JUST AS A POLITICAL

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MATTER.

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IT SAID HIS VERSION WOULD GET

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OUT.

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HE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO NOT

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HAVE THIS THAT WAS FILED

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YESTERDAY NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF

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DAY.

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NOW THAT WE’VE SEEN IT, WE

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UNDERSTAND WHY.

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FINAL THOUGHT, THE EVIDENCE IS

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COMING FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE.

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IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO

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REMEMBER THAT TO SORT OF LAY

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THIS ON JACK SMITH IS REALLY NOT

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FAIR.

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HE IS RECOUNTING WHAT PEOPLE

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SAID WHO ARE UP TO AND INCLUDING

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DONALD TRUMP’S OWN VICE

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PRESIDENT.

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THE SOURCE OF THIS INFORMATION

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ARE REPUBLICAN LOYALISTS TO

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DONALD TRUMP.

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THAT’S WHERE THE INFORMATION IS

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COMING FROM.

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>> YEAH.

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SPEAK TO THAT PART OF IT,

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GOVERNOR.

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I GO BACK TO HIS BASE IS HIS

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BASE.

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KAMALA HARRIS’S SUPPORTERS ARE

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KAMALA HARRIS’S SUPPORTERS.

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WE’RE LOOKING AT DEPENDING ON

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WHO YOU TALK TO, 2 TO MAYBE 9%

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OF THE POPULATION THAT MAY STILL

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BE WILLING TO GO ONE WAY OR THE

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OTHER.

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THIS FACT THAT ALL OF THESE

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EXAMPLES COME FROM PEOPLE WHO

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ARE WITHIN HIS CIRCLE ALL THE

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WAY UP TO VICE PRESIDENT MIKE

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PENCE, DOES IT HAVE AN IMPACT

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THERE?

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>> WELL, LOOK, AGAIN, AS TO THE

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UNDECIDED PEOPLE, THEY’LL LOOK

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AT THIS.

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AS I MENTION THESE OTHER ISSUES,

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WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING WITH

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THE STRIKE.

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ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY GET

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IMPACTED WHEN THEY GO TO THE

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STORE.

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THE PRICES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE

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ROOF.

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I TOLD YOU EARLIER, I THINK

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PEOPLE CARE MOST ABOUT THE

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POCKET BOOK AND ALSO ABOUT THE

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ECONOMY.

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HERE’S THE ISSUE, I THINK.

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HERE’S THE ISSUE THAT I THINK

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MAKES SENSE.

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THERE IS GREAT INTENSITY OF

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SUPPORT.

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MAYBE 15%.

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WHEN IT COMES TO HARRIS, PEOPLE

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MAY NOT BE AS DEDICATED TO HER

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AS SHE WOULD LIKE BUT AT THE

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SAME TIME, DEMOCRATS ARE GOING

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TO VOTE.

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SO YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE MORE

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DEMOCRATS GETTING TO THE POLLS

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AND SUPPORTING THEIR NOMINEE

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THAN DONALD TRUMP IS.

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SO THAT HAS AN IMPACT IN AND OF

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ITSELF.

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THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDECIDED.

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PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, FLIP A

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COIN.

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THE MOMENTUM IS WITH HARRIS BUT
