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>>> I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING

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>>> I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON FOR HER

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TESTIMONY TODAY.

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WE ARE ALL IN HER DEBT.

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OUR NATION IS PRESERVED BY THOSE

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WHO ABIDE BY THEIR OATHS TO OUR

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CONSTITUTION.

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OUR NATION IS PRESERVED BY THOSE

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WHO KNOW THE FUNDAMENTAL

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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND

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WRONG.

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I WANT ALL AMERICANS TO KNOW

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THAT WHAT MS. HUTCHINSON HAS

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DONE TODAY IS NOT EASY.

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>> THAT WAS FORMER REPUBLICAN

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CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY IN

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2022, COMMENDING FORMER TRUMP

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WHITE HOUSE AIDE CASSIDY

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HUTCHINSON FOR HER DECISION TO

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TESTIFY PUBLICLY ABOUT THE

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JANUARY 6th INSURRECTION.

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LAST MONTH, CHENEY, WHO IS STILL

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A REPUBLICAN, ENDORSED KAMALA

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HARRIS IN THE 2024 RACE FOR THE

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WHITE HOUSE.

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ON MSNBC LAST NIGHT, HUTCHINSON

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JOINED THE FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN

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IN ANNOUNCING HER OWN PLANS TO

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VOTE FOR HARRIS NEXT MONTH.

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON JOINS US NOW.

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HER "NEW YORK TIMES" BESTSELLING

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MEMOIR ENTITLED "ENOUGH" IS OUT

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NOW IN PAPERBACK.

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IT’S GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK ON

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THE SHOW, CASSIDY.

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DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK TO YOU

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ABOUT YOUR DECISION.

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BUT, FIRST, I’M SO CURIOUS ABOUT

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THE PROCESS THAT SOME REPUBLICAN

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LEADERS ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT

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NOW MENTALLY, AND I MEAN THAT IN

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ALL SERIOUSLY.

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BECAUSE, APPARENTLY, IT IS

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STILL -- DONALD TRUMP IS STILL

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NOT ENOUGH, TO BORROW YOUR

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TITLE, FOR A LOT OF REPUBLICANS.

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CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY?

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WHY REPUBLICANS LIKE YOU AND LIZ

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CHENEY SEEM SO FEW AND FAR

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BETWEEN AT A TIME WHEN THINGS

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APPEAR TO BE PRETTY EXTREME

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CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS COUNTRY.

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>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME

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BACK ON YOUR SHOW AND THE

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OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WITH YOU

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ALL TODAY.

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IN SHORT, I WISH I HAD A

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STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER TO YOUR

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QUESTION BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING

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THAT PERPLEXES ME FREQUENTLY.

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I DON’T KNOW WHY SO MANY

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REPUBLICANS, SPECIFICALLY THE

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MEN, ARE STILL CLOAKING

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THEMSELVES IN COWARDICE,

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ESPECIALLY IN THE FACE OF DONALD

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TRUMP AND JD VANCE.

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THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS

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SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY

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UNRECOGNIZABLE FROM WHAT IT

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WASN’T WAS, BUT WE DO HAVE FAITH

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IN OUR LEADERS LIKE LIZ CHENEY,

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WHO HAS STEPPED FORWARD, AND

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ADAM KINZINGER.

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THERE ARE GOOD REPUBLICANS

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TRYING TO SALVAGE WHAT IS LEFT

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OF THE PARTY, BUT WE NEED MORE

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PEOPLE TO STEP FORWARD.

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WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE MITT

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ROMNEY, WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO

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MAKE A DECISION TO ENDORSE VICE

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PRESIDENT HARRIS FOR THE

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PRESIDENCY.

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THIS IS A MOMENT THAT IS SO MUCH

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BIGGER THAN A POLITICAL PARTY

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AND OUR ALLEGIANCE TO A

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POLITICAL PARTY, WHICH LED TO MY

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DECISION, WHICH WASN’T EVEN

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REALLY A DECISION ONCE I HAD

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THOUGHT ABOUT IT RAGPRAGMATICALL

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TO ENDORSE NOT ONLY VICE

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PRESIDENT HARRIS, BUT ONCE

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MR. BIDEN, AS WELL, WHO ALSO

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DISPLAYED REMARKABLE LEADERSHIP

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IN PASSING THE TORCH TO THE NEXT

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GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP.

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WHICH IS SOMETHING THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY ALSO CANNOT DO.

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I’M GRATEFUL FOR THE LEADERSHIP

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OF LIZ CHENEY AND PEOPLE LIKE

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HER, OF NANCY PELOSI, AND I HAVE

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A LOT OF FAITH IN THE FUTURE OF

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OUR COUNTRY, BUT WE DO NEED TO

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DO MORE IN ORDER TO COME BACK

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FROM THE CURRENT STATE OF

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POLITICS THAT WE’RE IN.

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>> CASSIDY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY

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TO FELLOW REPUBLICANS WHO MIGHT

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FEAR THAT IN ENDORSING KAMALA

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HARRIS OR EVEN IN SPEAKING OUT

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AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, THEY ARE

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GOING TO LOSE WHAT MADE THEM A

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REPUBLICAN IN THE FIRST PLACE,

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LOSE THEIR CONSERVATIVE VALUES.

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HAVE YOU FOUND DURING THIS

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PROCESS THAT YOUR SENSE OF BEING

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A CONSERVATIVE HAS DIMINISHED

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SOMEHOW, OR DO YOU STILL SEE

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YOURSELF AS A CONSERVATIVE, EVEN

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THOUGH YOU’RE SUPPORTING KAMALA

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HARRIS?

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>> I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

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I’LL BE HONEST, THERE WAS A

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PERIOD I WENT THROUGH WHERE I

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WASN’T NECESSARILY QUESTIONING

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MY BELIEF SYSTEM, BUT I WAS

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QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT I

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COULD STILL CALL MYSELF A

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CONSERVATIVE.

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BECAUSE I HAD BEEN A VERY LOYAL

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SUPPORTER OF DONALD TRUMP.

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I HAD WORKED FOR HIM VERY

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LOYALLY.

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I MADE THIS BIG, DRAMATIC SPLIT

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FROM WHAT I CALL TRUMP WORLD.

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I WAS KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH

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WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AUTHENTIC

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TO CALL MYSELF A CONSERVATIVE.

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BUT AS TIME HAS PASSED AND I’VE

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GAINED CLARITY OF MIND, I’VE

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REALIZED THAT, NOT ONLY AM I

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STILL A CONSERVATIVE, BUT I FEEL

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MORE CONFIDENT AND ROOTED IN MY

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CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES TODAY

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THAN I DID WHEN I WORKED FOR

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HIM.

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NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE, IN MY VIEW,

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DOESN’T REPRESENT WHAT THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE

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CONSERVATIVE AGENDA SHOULD STAND

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FOR, BUT BECAUSE HE HAS WARPED

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IT IN HIS IMAGE.

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HE’S WARPED IT WITH A GOOD ADDY

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OF ENABLERS WHO EXIST IN

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CONGRESS WHO CONTINUE TO

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PROLIFERATE LIES AND CONSPIRACY

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THEORIES TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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>> CASSIDY, YOU’RE A YOUNG,

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INTELLIGENT WOMAN, WHO A FEW

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YEARS AGO, WAS WORKING JUST A

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FEW FEET FROM THE EPICENTER OF

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AMERICAN POWER, THE OVAL OFFICE.

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YOU SAW THE PRESIDENT QUITE

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OFTEN.

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YOU SAW THE PEOPLE AROUND THE

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PRESIDENT QUITE OFTEN.

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AND THEN TRUMP EXPLODED, AND

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EVERYTHING EXPLODED AROUND HIM.

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HOW DID IT CHANGE YOUR LIFE?

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>> IT CHANGED MY LIFE IN MORE

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WAYS THAN I CAN ADEQUATELY

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DESCRIBE.

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I SUPPOSE, IN SHORT, AT THE

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TIME, AND THIS IS THE BENEFIT OF

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HINDSIGHT AND TO BE ABLE TO

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REFLECT, I HADN’T REALIZED AT

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THE TIME HOW QUICKLY I HAD
TURNED FROM CRITICAL THOUGHT TO

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TURNED FROM CRITICAL THOUGHT TO

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COMPLETE COGNITIVE DISSIDENTS.

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I BELIEVED IN DONALD TRUMP.

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I KNEW HE HAD A TEMPER, BUT I

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BELIEVED HE WAS AUTHENTIC IN HIS

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CHARACTER TO THE AMERICAN

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PEOPLE.

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THE SHIFT BETWEEN BELIEVING THAT

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WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND SEEING HOW

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QUICKLY HE DEVOLVED INTO MADNESS

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AND COMPLETE CHAOS, HIS INJURED

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PRIDE, HOW WILLING HE WAS TO

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THROW PEOPLE UNDER THE BUS AND

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COMPLETELY THROW AWAY ANY

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PRINCIPLES HE HAD IN PURSUIT OF

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POWER, THAT’S NOT WHAT

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LEADERSHIP IS.

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SO I THINK LOOKING AT ALL OF

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THIS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF ALL THE

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LESSONS THIS HAS TAUGHT ME, IT’S

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TAUGHT ME THAT WE ARE STRONGER

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WHEN WE ARE UNITED.

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WE ARE STRONGER WHEN WE’RE NOT

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LOOKING AT OUR NATION AS AB USN

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VERSUS THEM MINDSET, AS DONALD

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TRUMP PROPPROPAGATES.

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HE NEEDS THE FEAR AND CONTROL IN

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ORDER TO KEEP PEOPLE IN HIS

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REALM AND SUPPORTING HIM.

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BUT A DIVIDED NATION CANNOT

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STAND.

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THAT’S WHY I’M GRATEFUL TO

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LEADERS LIKE LIZ CHENEY WHO HAVE

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NOT ONLY STEPPED FORWARD BUT

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SHOWED US THAT, IN THE FACE OF

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POLITICAL COWARDICE, IT’S

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POSSIBLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING,

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EVEN WHEN IT IS THE HARD THING

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TO DO.

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>> CASSIDY, GOOD MORNING.

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IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

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I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, BECAUSE

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SO MUCH GETS WASHED AWAY IN THE

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FLOOD OF NEWS EVERY DAY, THAT ON

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JANUARY 6th, YOU WERE 24 YEARS

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OLD.

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AS WE LEARNED FROM THAT HOUSE

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SELECT COMMITTEE AND ALL THE

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TESTIMONY, EVERYTHING WE’VE READ

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ABOUT THIS, YOU WERE, AT MANY

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POINTS, THE ONLY ADULT IN THE

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ROOM.

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YOU WERE THE ONE SPEAKING TRUTH

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TO POWER.

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I’M SURE IT WASN’T AN EASY THING

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TO DO FOR SOMEONE A COUPLE YEARS

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OUT OF COLLEGE.

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YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR

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THAT, FIRST OF ALL.

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I’M CURIOUS NOW, AS YOU STEP OUT

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AND SAY, AS A REPUBLICAN, YOU’LL

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VOTE, LIKE LIZ CHENEY, FOR

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KAMALA HARRIS, WHAT YOUR MESSAGE

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WOULD BE TO OTHER REPUBLICANS,

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LET’S CALL THEM NIKKI HALEY

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REPUBLICANS WHO LIVE IN THE

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SUBURBS AND ARE TIRED OF DONALD

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TRUMP, THEY DON’T LOVE DONALD

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TRUMP, THEY DON’T LIKE THE CHAOS

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HE BRINGS, BUT THEY CAN’T MAYBE

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BRING THEMSELVES TO VOTE FOR

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KAMALA HARRIS, WHO THEY SEE AS

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TOO LIBERAL.

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THEY CAN’T VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT.

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WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM, WHO

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ARE EITHER SAYING, I’M NOT GOING

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TO PARTICIPATE, OR I’M JUST

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GOING TO SAY, WHAT THE HECK,

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I’LL VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN

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ANYWAY, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR

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MESSAGE TO THEM?

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>> IN NORMAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, I

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THINK POSSIBLY IT’S OKAY NOT TO

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VOTE.

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I WOULD NEVER ADVOCATE NOT TO

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VOTE.

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I THINK CIVIC ENGAGEMENT IS

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REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT WE ARE NOT

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LIVING IN NORMAL TIMES.

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THE REALITY OF THIS ELECTION IS

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THAT IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO

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LIKELY A COUPLE THOUSAND VOTES

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IN A COUPLE OF STATES.

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EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CAST A VOTE

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THIS ELECTION.

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WE SAW WHAT ALMOST HAPPENED IN

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2020 WHEN DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO

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HOLD ON TO POWER FOR HIMSELF,

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WHEN HE DID NOT WIN THE

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ELECTION.

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WHEN JOE BIDEN WON THE ELECTION

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FAIRLY.

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SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT MESSAGING

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TO THESE REPUBLICANS, AS MUCH AS

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I WANT TO TELL THEM TO VOTE FOR

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KAMALA HARRIS, FROM MY POSITION,

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I DON’T FEEL COMFORTABLE EVER

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TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO VOTE.

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I KNOW THAT IT IS A VERY

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INTIMATE AND PERSONAL DECISION,

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AND THERE’S A LOT THAT GOES INTO

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MAKING THAT DECISION.

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BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS, I CARE

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ABOUT ISSUES LIKE INFLATION.

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I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE

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ARE PROBABLY A FEW ISSUES THAT

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KAMALA HARRIS AND I DO SEE EYE

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TO EYE ON.

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BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT SHE IS A

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LEADER THAT I ADMIRE, THAT

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STANDS IN PRINCIPLE, THAT WANTS

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TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, AND

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THAT IS SOMEBODY THAT IS
HONORABLE AND WILL CHERISH OUR

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HONORABLE AND WILL CHERISH OUR

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NATION AND PROTECT OUR

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WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT JD VANCE

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AND DONALD TRUMP NOT ONLY HAVE

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COMMITTED TO NOT BEING ABLE TO

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DO, BUT HAVE SHOWED THAT THEY

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WILL NOT SUSTAIN OUR NATION IF

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THEY WIN IN THESE NEXT FOUR

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YEARS.

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>> I MEAN, I GUESS THE HOPE IS

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THAT THE POTENTIAL, CASSIDY, FOR

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THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO BE THE

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PARTY THAT IT ONCE WAS WOULD BE

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TO MOVE DONALD TRUMP OFF, YOU

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KNOW, THE STAGE, AND TO PERHAPS

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HAVE A HARRIS PRESIDENCY, BUT

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THEN MAYBE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

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CAN REBUILD.

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YOU MENTIONED -- WILLIE

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MENTIONED NIKKI HALEY, AND YOU

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MENTIONED MITT ROMNEY.

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WHO ELSE COULD MOVE THE METER?

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YOU’VE INTERACTED WITH THESE

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REPUBLICAN LEADERS, AND WHO THEY

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RESPOND TO.

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IS THERE A HIGH-RANKING

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REPUBLICAN THAT YOU REALLY WISH

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WOULD STEP UP FOR THE COUNTRY

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RIGHT NOW?

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>> THERE ARE MANY HIGH-RANKING

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REPUBLICANS THAT I WISH WOULD

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STEP UP, BUT OVERALL, MIKA, I

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BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US, WHETHER

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YOU ARE A CURRENT PUBLIC SERVANT

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SERVANT, WHETHER YOU KNOW DONALD

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TRUMP, WORKED FOR DONALD TRUMP,

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HAVE BEEN IN HIS ORBIT, I

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BELIEVE ALL OF US HAVE AN

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OBLIGATION TO THE AMERICAN

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PEOPLE TO TELL THE AMERICAN

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PEOPLE WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE IS

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CAPABLE OF.

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WE’VE HEARD FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS

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NOW WHO HE IS.

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HE HAS TOLD US WHO HE IS, BUT IN

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THESE NEXT, I BELIEVE, FOUR TO

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FIVE WEEKS, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE

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THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP UP AND

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SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN BE

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FRIGHTENING.

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HE DOES CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT

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WHERE IT’S MORE COMFORTABLE TO

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BE SILENT.

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THAT’S WHAT HE LIKES.

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HE DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE SPEAKING

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OUT AGAINST HIM BECAUSE THAT

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THREATENS HIS POWER, BUT THE

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ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH

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THIS MOMENT IS IF WE DEFEAT THE

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FEAR THAT HE HAS INSTILLED IN

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OUR SOCIETY AND IN OUR PEOPLE,

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AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN ONLY

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VOTE -- VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE

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THAT THEY BELIEVE IS ON THE

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BALLOT.

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IT’S OUR JOB.

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>>> AND-- AND IT’S IMPERATIVE FO

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US THE VOTER THROUGH OUR

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EXPERIENCES, AND OUR VIEW OF

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PUBLIC SERVICE, AND HOW WE CAN

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COME THROUGH THIS MOMENT, AND I

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DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN COME BACK

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FROM THIS.

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WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LOOKS

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LIKE IN A POST-TRUMP ERA IS TO

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BE DETERMINED, BUT I DO BELIEVE

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STRONGLY THAT THE FIRST STEP IS

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DEFEATING DONALD TRUMP AT THE

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BALLOT BOX THIS NOVEMBER, AND

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THAT ALSO MEANS FOCUSING ON

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CONGRESS.

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HE HAS FILLED CONGRESS WITH

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PRIMARILY A BODY OF ENABLERS

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THAT ARE WILLING TO ENACT

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ANYTHING THAT HE WOULD WANT TO

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DO, AND HE HAS ALREADY PROMISED

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A SECOND TERM BASED ON

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RETRIBUTION.

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SO AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS TO KEEP

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DONALD TRUMP OUT OF THE OVAL

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OFFICE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE

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THAT WE’RE ALSO LOOKING AT

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CONGRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DEFEATED

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THERE AS WELL.

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>> FORMER WHITE HOUSE AIDE,

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, THANK YOU SO