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>>> WELCOME BACK TO "MORNING

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JOE."

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IT’S THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3rd.

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CAT I CAN THEY, MICHAEL STEELE,

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AND MIKE BARNICLE STILL WITH US.

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LET’S GET BACK TO THE CASE LAID

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OUT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

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IT’S IN RESPONSE TO THE SUPREME

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COURT’S RULING ON PRESIDENTIAL

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IMMUNITY.

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SMITH WRITES, THOUGH THE

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DEFENDANT WAS THE IMMUNITY

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DEFENDANT DURING THE CHARGED

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CONSPIRACIES, HIS SCHEME WAS

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FUNDAMENTALLY A PRIVATE ONE.

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WORKING WITH A TEAM OF PRIVATE

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CO-CONSPIRATOR

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CO-CONSPIRATORS, THE DEFENDANT

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ACTED AS A CANDIDATE WHEN HE

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PURSUED MULTIPLE CRIMINAL MEANS

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TO DISRUPT THROUGH FRAUD AND

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DECEIT

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DECEIT, THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION

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BY WHICH VOTES ARE COUNTED.

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A FUNCTION IN WHICH THE

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DEFENDANT, AS PRESIDENT, HAD NO

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OFFICIAL ROLE.

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SMITH CONTINUES, WHEN ALL ELSE

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HAD FAILED ON JANUARY 6th, 2021,

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THE FORMER PRESIDENT DIRECTED AN

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ANGRY CROWD OF SUPPORTERS TO THE

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UNITED STATES CAPITOL TO

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OBSTRUCT THE CONGRESSIONAL

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CERTIFICATION.

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SMITH ALSO WRITES THAT FORENSIC

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EVIDENCE FROM THE DEFENDANT’S

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iPHONE AND OBSERVATIONS BY

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WITNESSES TESTIFYING ABOUT

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UNOFFICIAL ACTS ESTABLISHES THAT

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TRUMP WAS ON TWITTER AND

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WATCHING TELEVISION IN THE OVAL

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OFFICE DURING THE RIOT AT THE

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CAPITOL

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CAPITOL.

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THE FILING ALSO REVEALS SOME NEW

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DETAILS, INCLUDING A

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CONVERSATION BETWEEN TRUMP AND

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HIS FAMILY MEMBERS AFTER THE

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ELECTION, WHICH WAS OVERHEARD BY

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A WHITE HOUSE STAFFER.

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THE FORMER PRESIDENT REPORTEDLY

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TOLD THEM, QUOTE, IT DOESN’T

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MATTER IF YOU WON OR LOST THE

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ELECTION.

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YOU STILL HAVE TO FIGHT LIKE

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HELL.
LET’S BRING IN FORMER U.S.

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LET’S BRING IN FORMER U.S.

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ATTORNEY AND MISSISSIPPI NRKBCRK

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MSNBC

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MSNBC’S BARBARA McQUADE.

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AND FORMER PROSECUTOR ANDREW

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WEISSMANN.

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ANDREW, WHAT STOOD OUT IN THE

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FILING, AND WHAT TO YOU MAKE OF

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IT?

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IS IT A SOLID CASE TO MAKE?

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>> EVEN AS YOU NOTED, THE

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SUPREME COURT REQUIRING JACK

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SMITH TO TRUNCATE HIS PROOF, TO

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ANOTHER WILL WITNESSES WHO ARE

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PRIVATE WITNESSES OR PEOPLE IN

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PUBLIC OFFICE BUT ACTING IN A

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PRIVATE CAPACITY AS A CANDIDATE,

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EVEN WITH THAT LIMITATION, THAT

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YOU CAN’T USE ANY EVIDENCE FROM

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PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTING IN AN

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OFFICIAL CAPACITY AT THE WHITE

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HOUSE OR ELSEWHERE, THIS IS SORT

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OF BODY BLOW AFTER BODY BLOW

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WITH REALLY SHOCKING EVIDENCE.

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I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WATT

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WATERGATE, WHICH WAS A SCANDAL

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ABOUT CHEATING AND TRYING TO

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FIND OUT WHAT IT IS YOUR

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OPPONENT KNEW THROUGH ILLEGAL

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MEANS AND COVERING THAT UP.

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THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE.

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IT LAYS OUT AN EFFORT TO

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UNDERMINE AND THWART THE VOTES

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OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF

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PEOPLE JUST TO STAY IN OFFICE.

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AND THE EVIDENCE IS COMING FROM

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DONALD TRUMP’S OWN PEOPLE.

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HIS OWN LAWYERS, HIS OWN

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CAMPAIGN STAFF, AND, MOST

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NOTABLY, HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT

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WHO HAD EVERY INCENTIVE TO WANT

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TO WIN THAT ELECTION BUT DECIDED

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TO ACT OUT OF PRINCIPLE AND

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FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW.

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SO THIS IS A READ THAT IS SO

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GRAPHIC, SO DEVASTATING, AND SO

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DISSPIRITING, THAT THIS IS WHERE

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THE COUNTRY IS, WHEN THESE

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ALLEGATIONS ARE THE KIND OF

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THING THAT THE NORMAL LAWS OF

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GRAVITY WOULD HAVE PEOPLE

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UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PERSON

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SHOULD NEVER BE IN OFFICE AGAIN

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BASED ON THIS REALLY DETAIL EDED

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SHOW OF THE FACTS AROUND WHAT

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DONALD TRUMP DID.

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>> BARBARA, THERE ARE SOME NEW

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DETAILS IN HERE, NEW QUOTES, AS

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ANDREW SUGGESTS.

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MANY SEEM TO BE COMING FROM

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RECOGNIZABLE VOICES, LIKE VICE

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PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE.

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A SUGGESTION THAT STEVE BANNON

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IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE.

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RUDY GIULIANI, PERHAPS NOT THAT

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THERE’S TESTIMONY FROM THEM, BUT

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THAT THEY ARE QUOTED AS MAKING

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COMMENTS AROUND JANUARY 6th AND

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THE LEAD-UP TO THAT DAY.

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I’M CURIOUS WHAT STOOD OUT TO

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YOU HERE.

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ALSO, IS THERE SOMETHING NEW?

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WE KNOW, WE’VE HAD AN ENTIRE

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LONG SESSION, HEARING, AND

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REPORT FROM THE JANUARY 6th

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COMMITTEE THAT LAID THIS OUT

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CHAPTER AND VERSE.

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WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE

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TESTIMONY DID, IN FACT, COME

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FROM REPUBLICANS, THE PEOPLE

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CLOSEST TO DONALD TRUMP WHO

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COULDN’T BELIEVE WHAT THEY WERE

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SEEING ON JANUARY 6th AND HAD TO

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TELL SOMEONE ABOUT IT AND

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TESTIFY.

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WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THIS REPORT,

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AND DO YOU THINK IT MAKES A

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CONVINCING CASE TO JUDGE

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CHUTKAN?

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>> YES.

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I THINK WHAT STANDS OUT IS THE

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STRENGTH OF THE CORROBORATING

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EVIDENCE.

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WE KNOW THIS STORY ESSENTIALLY

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FROM WHAT WE HEARD BEFORE THE

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JANUARY 6th CONGRESSIONAL

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COMMITTEE.

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PROSECUTORS HAVE TOOLS DIFFERENT

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FROM WHAT CONGRESS HAD,

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ADDITIONAL TOOLS.

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GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, SEARCH

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WARRANTS.

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FROM THOSE THINGS, NAYTHEY CAN G

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VERBATIM TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE

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WHO MAY HAVE DECLINED TO GO

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BEFORE THE CONGRESSIONAL

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COMMITTEE.

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WITH THE SEARCH WARRANTS, THEY

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CAN GET THE CONTENT OF TEXT

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MESSAGES, EMAIL MESSAGES,

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VOICEMAIL MESSAGES.

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THE VERBATIM TRANSCRIPTS WHICH

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SHOW UP IN THIS FILING.

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SO FROM SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WE

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KNOW THERE WERE PEOPLE ON THE

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INSIDE TELLING DONALD TRUMP,

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THIS IS B.S.

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ANOTHER MICHIGAN OFFICIAL

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SAYING, THIS IS F-ING NUTS.

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YET, DONALD TRUMP CONTINUES TO

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PROCEED WITH THIS.

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THAT’S IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE OF

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THE ELEMENTS HERE WILL BE THAT

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DONALD TRUMP ENGAGED IN FRAUD.

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THAT MEANS HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS

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SAYING WAS WRONG.

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THERE IS EVEN A QUOTE THAT YOU

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MENTIONED EARLIER, OVERHEARD

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WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS TELLING

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FAMILY MEMBERS, OVERHEARD BY AN

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OVAL OFFICE STAFFER WHERE HE

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SAYS, "EVEN IF YOU LOSE THE

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ELECTION, YOU STILL HAVE TO KEEP

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FIGHTING."

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I THINK THOSE KINDS OF DETAILS

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WILL HELP THIS CASE WITHSTAND

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CROSS-EXAMINATION AT TRIAL, AND

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PERHAPS THE SKEPTICISM OF 12