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STRONGLY ENDORSES DONALD TRUMP.

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SHE SAID THAT IN AN UNEQUIVOCAL

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WAY AND IS NOW LAYING OUT HER

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CASE FOR WHY EVERYONE SHOULD

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SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP.

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JOINING US NOW FROM THE RNC AS

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REPORTER TIM ALBERTA, WHO

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CHRONICLED THE PORTIONS OF MANY

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REPUBLICAN HOPEFULS AND THEIR

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CAMPAIGNS INCLUDING AMBASSADOR

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NIKKI HALEY, WHO HAD QUITE THE

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WILD RIDE IN HER NOW VERY MUCH

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OVER FIGHT WITH TRUMP.

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IT’S GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

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THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

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>> Reporter: THANKS FOR HAVING

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ME, RACHEL.

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>> SO, NIKKI HALEY AND HER

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RELATIONSHIP WITH TRUMP, IT IS

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LIKE WATCHING ONE OF THOSE

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PADDLE GAMES WHERE THE BALL IS

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ATTACHED BY AN ELASTIC STRING

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AND IT KEEPS COMING BACK FOR

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ANOTHER WHACK.

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WAS THERE ANY DOUBT THAT SHE

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WOULD BE GIVING THIS SPEECH IF

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SHE WERE ASKED TO?

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THAT SHE WOULD BE GIVING A FULL

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ENDORSEMENT AT THE END OF HER

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JOURNEY WITH TRUMP, INCLUDING

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THE WAY SHE RAN AGAINST HIM

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THIS YEAR?

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>> NO, NOT IN MY MIND.

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AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY,

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BECAUSE ONE OF THE VIVID

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MEMORIES OF THE LAST FEW YEARS

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FOR ME WAS SITTING WITH NIKKI

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HALEY AT HER COUNTRY CLUB IN

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SOUTH CAROLINA IN THE DAYS

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AFTER JANUARY 6. I HAD SPENT A

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LOT OF TIME WITH HER OVER THE

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PREVIOUS COUPLE OF MONTHS WHILE

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I WAS WRITING FOR POLITICAL

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MAGAZINE AND THE PROFILE WAS

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JUST ABOUT OVER AND THEN

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JANUARY 6 HAPPENED.

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SO SHE INVITED ME BACK DOWN FOR

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ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND IN

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THAT CONVERSATION, RACHEL,

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NIKKI HALEY SAID TO ME, LISTEN.

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DONALD TRUMP LET US DOWN.

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WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LISTENED TO

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HIM.

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WE SHOULD NOT HAVE FOLLOWED HIM

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DOWN THIS PATH AND WE CAN NEVER

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FOLLOW HIM AGAIN.

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THAT IS WHAT SHE SAID TO ME AND

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WHAT WAS SO STRIKING IN THAT

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MOMENT WAS OF COURSE THERE WERE

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REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN

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THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AT

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THAT POINT CONSIDERING WHETHER

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TO IMPEACH TRUMP AND MAYBE EVEN

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WHETHER TO INVOKE THE 25th

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AMENDMENT AGAINST TRUMP.

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I ASKED HER IF YOU WERE IN

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CONGRESS, WOULD YOU BE ON BOARD

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WITH THAT?

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WOULD YOU BE TRYING TO OUST

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TRUMP?

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SHE TOLD ME THAT DOES NOT

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MATTER, BECAUSE HE IS ALREADY

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DEAD POLITICALLY.

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HE CAN NEVER COME BACK FROM

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THIS.

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HE HAS SUNK INTO FAR.

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THE DAMAGES DONE, SO THERE IS

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NO NEED TO DO ANY OF THAT

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BECAUSE HIS CAREER AS WE HAVE

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KNOWN IT IS OVER AND HERE WE

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ARE TODAY.

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NIKKI HALEY’S ARK, VIS-A-VIS

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DONALD TRUMP, HAS BEEN MORE

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DRAMATIC THAN MOST, BUT IN MANY

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WAYS I THINK SHE IS PROBABLY

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THE BEST, THE MOST ACCURATE

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REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW SO MANY

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PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER AND WHO

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PUBLICLY CAME OUT AGAINST TRUMP

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AND SAID HE WAS EFFECTIVELY

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UNFIT TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF,

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HOW THEY SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY

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ALWAYS WIND UP COMING BACK AND

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ACCOMMODATING THEMSELVES TO HIM

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IN THE END.

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>> IS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS

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SOMETHING FOR HER IN IT?

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I MEAN, I DON’T THINK SHE HAS A

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PLACE IN A SECOND TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION.

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I COULD BE WRONG.

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HAVING GONE MUCH FURTHER THAN

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JUST CRITICIZING HIM IN NORMAL

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TERMS, EVEN WITH GIVING A

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SPEECH, HE HAS TO EXPECT THAT

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SHE IS NOT GOING TO WIN ANY

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OBVIOUS OR IMMEDIATE PRIZE HERE.

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THE CALCULATION AND THE WAY

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NIKKI HALEY THINKS ABOUT

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POLITICS, THAT SOMEDAY IN A

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POST TRUMP FUTURE SHE WILL BE

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REMEMBERED AS A GOOD ENOUGH

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SOLDIER TO WIN VOTERS TRUST

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AGAIN?

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I MEAN, WHERE DOES SHE SEE THIS

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GOING?

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>> Reporter: WHAT IS

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INTERESTING, RACHEL, AS I SPENT

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THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS ON THE

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CONVENTION FLOOR TALKING WITH

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DELEGATES, IT REALLY IS

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REMARKABLE HOW SHORT OF A MEMORY

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MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE.

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IT DOESN’T MATTER THAT J.D.

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VANCE CALLED DONALD TRUMP

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AMERICAS HITLER.

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRIMETIME

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SPEAKING LINEUP, I WOULD

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VENTURE TO SAY THAT IT IS ONE

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OUT OF EVERY THREE REPUBLICANS

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FEATURED THIS WEEK SPEAKING AT

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THE CONVENTION, HAVE IN THE

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PAST OFFERED BLISTERING, LIKE

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REALLY, REALLY HARSH CRITICISM

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OF DONALD TRUMP.

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NOT EVEN A POLITICAL LEVEL, BUT

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A PERSONAL LEVEL CALLING HIM

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UNETHICAL, UNFIT FOR OFFICE,

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WHAT HAVE YOU.

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AND YET AS LONG AS THEY COME

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BACK AROUND AND KISS THE RING

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AND APOLOGIZE AND SWEAR THAT

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THEY DID NOT MEAN IT, THEN THEY

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WIND UP BEING EMBRACED BY THE

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PARTY FAITHFUL.

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I THINK IF YOU ARE NIKKI HALEY

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THEN YOU UNDERSTAND EVEN THOUGH

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YOU WERE CRITICAL OF TRUMP IN

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2016, SAYING HE BEHAVED LIKE A

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KINDERGARTNER AND WAS AN

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EMBARRASSMENT OR EVEN IF YOU

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WERE CRITICAL IN 2020, SAYING

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HE HAD FALLEN SO FAR AND WE

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SHOULD NEVER FOLLOW HIM AGAIN,

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YOU RECOGNIZE AND POLITICS,

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ESPECIALLY TRUMP ERA REPUBLICAN

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POLITICS, PEOPLE HAVE A REALLY

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SHORT MEMORY AND THEY ARE

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ULTIMATELY WILLING TO FORGIVE

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AND FORGET AND MOVE ON AS LONG

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AS YOU DEBASE YOURSELF AND

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ULTIMATELY BEND THE KNEE TO HIM

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WHEN IT COUNTS THE MOST.

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>> TIM, WHEN YOU DO THESE KINDS

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OF LONGITUDINAL PROFILES, WHEN

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YOU SPEND TIME WITH A PERSON

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LIKE NIKKI HALEY, FOR THE TYPE

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OF JOURNALISM YOU HAVE BEEN

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DOING FOR POLITICAL MAGAZINE

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AND ELSEWHERE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE

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YOU ARE SEEING THE COST OF THAT

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DEBASEMENT?

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IT IS A FEATURE, A REGULAR

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FEATURE.

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IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENTAL,

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COINCIDENTAL OR INCIDENTAL

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THING THAT HAPPENS WITH DONALD

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TRUMP, THAT HE REGULARLY

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DEMANDS DEBASEMENT.

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NOT JUST THAT MEXICO WILL GET A

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WALL ON THE BORDER, BUT THAT

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THEY WILL PAY FOR IT.

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THERE IS THIS GROVELING HE

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DEMANDS AND REGULARLY GETS FROM

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EVERYONE ELSE IN REPUBLICAN

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POLITICS WHO HAS SORT OF FALLEN

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BEHIND AS HE HAS TAKEN OVER

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THAT PARTY IN ITS ENTIRETY.

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DO YOU SEE WHAT THAT COSTS THEM

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AS PEOPLE, JUST AS HUMAN BEINGS?

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>> Reporter: RACHEL, ONE OF MY

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FAVORITE VERSES IN SCRIPTURE IS

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MARK 8:36 WHICH SAYS WHAT SHALL

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IT PROFIT A MAN TO GAIN THE

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WHOLE WORLD AND FORFEIT HIS

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SOUL?

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TO THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING,

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WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN SO MANY

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CASES, NIKKI HALEY AND SO MANY

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OTHERS, IS TRULY NOTHING SHORT

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OF FORFEITING ONE’S SOUL TO

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GAIN THE TEMPORARY AFFECTIONS

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OF DONALD TRUMP, OF HIS INNER

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CIRCLE AND THE PARTY BASE.

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YES, THERE IS A REAL AND

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PROFOUND AND CASCADING DAMAGE

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DONE TO THESE PEOPLE.

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NIKKI HALEY AS AN EXAMPLE, I

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CAN TELL YOU THAT IN REPORTING

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MY PROFILE OF HER, I SPOKE WITH

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DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PEOPLE WHO

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HAVE BEEN FRIENDS, CONFIDANTS,

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ALLIES OVER THE YEARS.

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MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NO

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LONGER IN CONTACT WITH NIKKI

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HALEY.

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THEY FEEL ENTIRELY ESTRANGED IN

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PART BECAUSE THEY FEEL AS

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THOUGH SHE LIED TO THEM AND

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CONNED THEM INTO BELIEVING THAT

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SHE HAD A SET OF PRINCIPLES

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THAT WERE IRONCLAD THAT CAME

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FROM A DEEP PLACE AND SHE

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JETTISONED THEM AT THE FIRST

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OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN SOME SORT OF

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ENTREE INTO THE WORLD OF DONALD

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TRUMP AND THAT IS THE STORY OF

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SO MANY REPUBLICANS IN THE

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TRUMP ERA.

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FRANKLY IT IS A BIT

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HEARTBREAKING AT A CERTAIN

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LEVEL BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK

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WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ON

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THE OTHER SIDE, WHEN YOU TALK

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WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE SORT OF

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SUSTAINED THIS DAMAGE TO THEIR

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FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS, TO THEIR

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PROFESSIONAL CAREERS, TO THEIR

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REPUTATION, TO THEIR INTEGRITY.

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WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM ON THE

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OTHER SIDE WHAT THEY WILL TELL

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YOU, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IT

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WAS NOT WORTH IT.

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I THINK OBVIOUSLY THAT

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REALIZATION HIT SOME PEOPLE

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SOONER THAN OTHERS.

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>> TIM ALBERTA, ATLANTIC STAFF

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WRITER.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING

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US TONIGHT.

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YOUR THOUGHTFUL JOURNALISM AND

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AGGRESSIVE OLD JOURNALISM ON

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THIS HAS HELPED WITH

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UNDERSTANDING IT.

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IT’S BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE YOUR

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TONIGHT.

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THANKS SO MUCH.

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WE SAW NIKKI HALEY LEAVE THE

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STAGE MOMENTS AGO.

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LEAVING TO A ROUSING OVATION, A

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SORT OF STRAIGHT UP OVATION, IN

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CONTRAST TO THE MIX OF DOING

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AND CHEERING THAT GREETED HER

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ARRIVAL ON THE STAGE.

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THAT IS YOUR SIGNAL THAT SHE DID

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WHAT SHE WAS THERE TO DO, WHICH

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WAS TO MAKE A TOTALLY

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UNEQUIVOCAL ENDORSEMENT OF

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DONALD TRUMP.

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I THOUGHT THAT WAS POIGNANT

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WHAT TIM ALBERTA WAS SAYING,

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TIM ALBERTA WHO HAS DONE

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INCREDIBLE JOURNALISM ABOUT

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NIKKI HALEY AND SPENT A LOT OF

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TIME WITH HER, TALKING ABOUT

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THE REACTION OF THOSE IN HER

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OWN LIFE AND POLITICAL CIRCLES

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IN WHICH SHE IS ESSENTIALLY

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ALONE.

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PEOPLE FEEL BETRAYED BY HER

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AFTER HER RUN AGAINST DONALD

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TRUMP.

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PEOPLE FEELING IN TIM’S WORDS

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THAT SHE HAD CONNED THEM INTO

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THINKING SHE HAD SOME SORT OF

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REAL, PRINCIPLED STANCE AGAINST

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A FIGURE LIKE TRUMP.

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IT’S ALSO INTERESTING, YOU SEE

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RON DESANTIS ON THE STAGE.

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RON DESANTIS AND NIKKI HALEY,

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ESSENTIALLY EQUIVALENT FIGURES

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DESPITE THE DIFFERENT

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APPROACHES EACH OF THEM TOOK

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FORD RUNNING AGAINST TRUMP IN

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2024.

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HALEY DID GO TO TRUMP.

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RON DESANTIS NEVER DID, BUT IT

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DOES NOT MATTER.

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THEY WERE BOTH DESTROYED BY

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TRUMP IN THE PRIMARY.

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HAD NOT ONLY THEIR SUPPORTERS,

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BUT THEIR DONORS ATTACKED BY

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TRUMP AND ARE BOTH NOW REDUCED

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TO A SORT OF TWIN SPEAKING ROLE

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ENGAGEMENT THAT DOES NOT

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REFLECT ANYTHING, ANY CREDIT AT

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ALL FOR THE SLACK THAT RON

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DESANTIS CUT DONALD TRUMP FOR

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SOME OF THE PRIMARY THAT NIKKI

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HALEY DID NOT.

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THEY ALL END UP IN THE SAME

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BOTTOM OF THE SAME BARREL.

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NICOLLE WALLACE HAS BEEN

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WATCHING ALONG WITH US.

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OBVIOUSLY SOME NEWS FROM THE

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STAGE TONIGHT.

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NIKKI HALEY SAYING THAT SHE IS

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A STRONG ENDORSEMENT TONIGHT OF

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DONALD TRUMP AND THEN SPEND HER

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SPEECH TRYING TO TALK PEOPLE

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WHO DID NOT SUPPORT DONALD

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TRUMP INITIALLY INTO WHY SHE --

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WHY THEY SHOULD CHANGE LIKE SHE

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HAS.

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WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT?

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>> TIM ALBERTA SPEAKS IN POETRY

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OF HIS OWN.

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HE IS SO UNIQUE AND DISTINCT

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AND I THINK HE DISTILLED THE

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CONVERSATION YOU WERE HAPPENING

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AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR, THE

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WHY, RIGHT?

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IT IS THE ABANDONING THEIR

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SOULS THAT IS STILL

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DISORIENTING.

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WE WATCHED CHRIS CHRISTIE DO

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IT.

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WE WATCHED MARCO RUBIO DUET.

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WE WATCHED TED CRUZ DO IT.

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ONE WAS CALLED FAT, ONE’S WIFE

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WAS CALLED UGLY AND THE OTHER

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WAS THE IMPLICATION WAS THAT

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SMALL HANDS MEANT SMALL

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SOMETHING ELSE AND THEY ALL

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ROLLED OVER.

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TO SEE THAT PHENOMENON ONGOING

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IN YEAR NINE OF THE TRUMP STORY

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IS REMARKABLE.

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TRUMP DOESN’T CARE ABOUT ANY OF

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THEM.

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TODAY HE WAS ENGAGED IN A

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TWITTER WAR BECAUSE WHAT

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PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS

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CONSIDERING DOING WITH THE

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SUPREME COURT RATTLES HIM.

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HE GOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SENT

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OUT A POST TRASH TALKING THAT

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IDEA.

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HE DOESN’T REALLY HAVE HIS MIND

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OR HIS GOT WITH ANYONE IN THE

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ROOM.

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HIS MIND IS ON WINNING AND TIM

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ALBERTA’S EXTRAORDINARY PIECE

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OF JOURNALISM BEFORE HIS

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REPORTING THIS WEEK WAS ABOUT

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THE SORT OF, I DON’T EVEN WANT

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TO CALL THEM BRAIN TRUST, BUT

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THE STRATEGIC NERVE CENTER OF

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THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE

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SMEARS AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND

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BRUTALLY PERFECT, NOT PERFECT,

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BRUTALLY PERSONAL ATTACKS

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AGAINST HIM, THAT WAS THEIR

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PLAN ALL ALONG.

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SO TO WATCH, SORT OF TO WATCH

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BOTH PIECES COME TOGETHER AND

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SORT OF COLLIDE, YOU REALLY