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EVERYTHING BEING SET ON THE

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STAGE TONIGHT WHERE A NUMBER OF

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PEOPLE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON

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CRIME AND LAW AND ORDER.

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>> YOU MENTIONED THE THEME OF

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TONIGHT, CHRIS.

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>> I AM INTO THEMES.

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>> THE OFFICIAL THEME AS YOU

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SAY IS MAKE AMERICA SAFE ONCE

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AGAIN, BUT JUDGING BY THE

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SPEAKERS LIST TONIGHT IT JUST

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AS EASILY COULD’VE BEEN CALLED

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THE NIGHT OF 1000 HUMILIATIONS.

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PRIMETIME SPEAKERS INCLUDE TWO

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OF TRUMP’S FIERCEST OPPONENTS,

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RON DESANTIS AND FORMER SOUTH

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CAROLINA GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY.

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WHILE LOSING CANDIDATES OFTEN

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SPEAK AT THE VICTORS CONVENTION,

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TRUMP’S HUMILIATION OF THESE

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PARTICULAR  RIVALS REACHED A

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DIFFERENT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

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DURING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

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>> THE PROBLEM WITH RON

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DESANTIS IS THAT HE NEEDS A

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PERSONALITY TRANSPLANT.

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HE’S NOT A TALENTED LITIGATION.

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HE WAS WALKING OFF THE STAGE AND

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HIS FEET, IT’S WEIRD, BECAUSE

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HIS COWBOY BOOTS.

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INSIDE YOU’VE GOT A BIG DEAL

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GOING ON AND HE’S WALKING LIKE

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--

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>> AFTER MOCKING GOVERNOR

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DESANTIS FOR ALLEGEDLY WEARING

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LIFTS IN HIS COWBOY BOOTS,

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DESANTIS EVENTUALLY DROPPED OUT

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AND TRUMP FOCUSED HIS

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ATTENTIONS ON NIKKI HALEY, WHO

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IN THE CLOSING HOURS OF HER

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PRESIDENCY DAYS CANDIDACY CALLED

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TRUMP NOT QUALIFIED TO BE

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PRESIDENT.

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TRUMP SUGGESTED HER PARENTS

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STATUS AS IMMIGRANTS FROM INDIA

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MIGHT SOMEHOW DISQUALIFY HER.

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TRUMP MISSTATED HER GIVEN NAME

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REPEATEDLY AND EXPLAINED TO

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FOXNEWS THAT THOSE MISTAKES

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WERE DEFINITELY INTENTIONAL.

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>> Reporter: SHE SAYS THAT YOU
ARE USING A NICKNAME BASED ON

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ARE USING A NICKNAME BASED ON

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HER GIVEN NAME, NIMROD A. YOU

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CALLED HER NIMROD THE OTHER

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DAY.

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WHY DO YOU DO THAT?

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>> I DO THAT WITH A LOT OF

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PEOPLE.

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IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TAKEOFF

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ON HER NAME, WHEREVER SHE MAY

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COME FROM.

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>> WHEREVER SHE MAY COME FROM.

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IN ADDITION TO THE XENA PHOBIA

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TRUMP ALSO ENGAGED IN EXPLICIT

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MISOGYNY, CALLING SOUTH

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CAROLINA’S FIRST FEMALE

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GOVERNOR ESSENTIALLY A BIMBO.

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>> SHE’S NOT TOUGH ENOUGH.

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SHE’S NOT SMART ENOUGH AND SHE

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WAS NOT RESPECTED ENOUGH.

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SHE CANNOT DO THIS JOB.

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>> DESPITE THE NEVER BEFORE

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HEARD HUMILIATIONS AND

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SIGNIFICANT RESERVATIONS, LAST

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WEEK NIKKI HALEY RELEASED THE

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97 DELEGATES SHE WONDERING THIS

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YEAR’S REPUBLICAN PRIMARY SO

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THAT THEY, IN TURN, COULD VOTE

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FOR DONALD TRUMP YESTERDAY AND

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TONIGHT BOTH HALEY AND DESANTIS

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ARE PELLET  -- PLEDGING LOYALTY

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TO DONALD TRUMP, DESPITE DONALD

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TRUMP NOT PLANNING TO MEET WITH

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EITHER OF THEM THIS EVENING.

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NOT EVEN BOTHERING TO MEET WITH

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THEM IS REALLY THE LAST

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HUMILIATION, MAYBE.

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I’M NOT SURE.

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>> ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND

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FASCINATING ABOUT THIS.

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J.D.

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VANCE BEING THE MOST EXTREME

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EXAMPLE.

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THE TRAJECTORY OF

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SUBMISSIVENESS OF THE KIND OF

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POLITICS OF DOMINATION WE MAKE

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FUN OF SOMEONE, YOU COW THEM,

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YOU BULLY THEM AND THEN THEY

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SORT OF END UP KNEELING BEFORE

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YOU AND THIS HAPPENS TIME AND

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TIME AGAIN AND IT IS A HUGE

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PART OF THE TRUMP MYSTIQUE AND

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STICK WITHIN THE BASE THAT HE

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IS THE POWERFUL ONE, THE SORT

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OF DOMINANT ONE.

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WHAT I FIND REMARKABLE IS THERE

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ARE THESE TWIN IMPULSES IN

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HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY, WHICH IS

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AMBITION AND EGO AND SELF

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REGARD AND IT IS WILD TO WATCH.

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>> THEY ARE VERY DIVORCED FROM

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ONE ANOTHER.

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IN A WEIRD WAY.

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>> WHAT I FIND REMARKABLE IS

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JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I

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DON’T HAVE IT IN ME TO

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HUMILIATE MYSELF THAT WAY

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BECAUSE MY EGO IS TOO BIG AND I

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HAVE TOO MUCH, LIKE, VANITY.

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WHAT I FIND AMAZING IS THAT

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THEY DON’T.

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EVERYONE, AND YOU, I WOULD SAY

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ALEX WAGNER SITTING AT THIS

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DESK, YOU ARE LIKE, HALEY IS

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GOING TO FALL IN LINE.

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>> I HAVE TO SAY,  I AM THE

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NAYSAYER.

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I DON’T BELIEVE IT.

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I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF

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HER CANDIDACY WAS.

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I KNOW SOMEONE WHO DOES.
>> YES, SOMEONE WHO DOES,

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>> YES, SOMEONE WHO DOES,

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JOINING US LIVE FROM THE ARENA.

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McKAY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS

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FIRST BECAUSE ALEX MADE THIS

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POINT.

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THERE ARE UNITY EVENTS AND THEY

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FEATURE THE OTHER CONTESTANTS,

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RIGHT?

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SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT A

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CONVENTION IS FOR, THAT WE ALL

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RALLY BEHIND THE NOMINEE AND

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LOOK WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE.

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IN 2016 TED CRUZ FAMOUSLY DID

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NOT DO THAT.

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I WAS INSIDE WATCHING HIM GIVE

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THAT SPEECH WHEN HE SAID VOTE

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YOUR CONSCIENCE.

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IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE IS AN

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ADDED DIMENSION HERE IN

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MILWAUKEE AND THE MODERN

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REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS ABOVE

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AND BEYOND THE NORMAL FALLING

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IN LINE.

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>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.

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AS YOU TWO WERE TALKING I WAS

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THINKING ABOUT HOW, IN SOME

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WAYS, THIS FEELS LIKE THE SAME

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STORY WE’VE BEEN DOING FOR

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EIGHT YEARS.

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THIS STORY OF DOMINANCE AND

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SUBMISSION, OF HUMILIATION, OF

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ABJECT LOYALTY TESTS.

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WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS

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SINCE 2016, BUT I WAS THINKING

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BACK TO THE CONVENTION IN 2016.

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I WAS THERE, TOO.

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THERE WERE STILL, BACK THEN,

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SIGNS OF FACTIONS WITHIN THE

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PARTY.

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TED CRUZ FAMOUSLY DID NOT

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ENDORSE TRUMP DURING HIS

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SPEECH.

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YOU HAD MIKE LEE ALONG WITH THE

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UTAH DELEGATION ON THE FLOOR,

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SCREAMING THEIR PROTESTS TO

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TRUMP’S FORMAL NOMINATION.

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THERE WERE SIGNS THAT THERE WAS

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STILL SOME RESISTANCE TO TRUMP

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AND AT THE TIME I WILL ADMIT TO

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THIS.

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AS A REPORTER WHO COVERED THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY EXTENSIVELY, I

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WAS SORT OF NAIVELY SURPRISED

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FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT YOU

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LAID OUT THAT PEOPLE LIKE PAUL

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RYAN, MARCO RUBIO, HAD BEEN SO

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WILLING TO FALL IN LINE.

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EIGHT YEARS LATER I’M NOT

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SURPRISED AND I WILL PAY I HAVE

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BEEN AT THIS CONVENTION FOR A

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COUPLE OF DAYS AND THERE IS NO

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SIGN OF RESISTANCE.

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THERE IS NO SIGN WITHIN THE

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PARTY.

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EVERYBODY IS COMPLETELY IN

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LOCKSTEP WITH DONALD TRUMP AND

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THE HANDFUL OF REPUBLICANS OUT

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THERE WHO ARE NOT, DIDN’T SHOW

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UP IN MILWAUKEE.

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THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.

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IF YOU ARE NOT FULLY ON BOARD,

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YOU JUST DON’T COME AND YOU

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REALLY ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN

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THE NATIONAL PARTY.

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>> I WANT TO BRING IN TIM

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MILLER WHO ONCE SERVED AS A

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SPOKESMAN AND IS NOW A WRITER

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AT LARGE FOR THE BULWARK AND

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ONE OF OUR MOST TRUSTED SEERS

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ON ALL THINGS REPUBLICAN.

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McKAY MAKES THE POINT ABOUT THE

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HUMILIATION PROCESS THAT IS

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DIFFERENT AND MORE

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EXTRAORDINARY THIS GO AROUND

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WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE LIKE

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NIKKI HALEY AND RON DESANTIS.

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UP UNTIL THE END OF THIS

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PRIMARY THERE WERE STILL PEOPLE

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THAT WEREN’T VOTING FOR DONALD

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TRUMP IN THE REPUBLICAN

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PRIMARIES.

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DO THEY, TOO, CAPITULATE?

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DO YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT THAT

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RESISTANCE EVEN EXISTS?

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>> CHRIS IS NODDING YES.

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I THINK THEY ARE DIVIDED.

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THE NIKKI HALEY VOTER WAS

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BASICALLY THREE TYPES OF PEOPLE.

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SHE’S GETTING 21%, THAT MEANS

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21% OF REPUBLICANS ARE FOR HER.

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8% PROBABLY MIGHT GO BACK TO

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TRUMP.

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8% OF FORMER REPUBLICANS WERE

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STILL REGISTERED FROM THE PAST

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THAT VOTED FOR JOE BIDEN ALREADY

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IN 2020 AND LIKE 5% OF

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DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS WHO

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CROSSED OVER BECAUSE THEY HATE

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DONALD TRUMP.

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REAL PSYCHOS.

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>> WE CALL THEM ENGAGED

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CITIZENS.

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>> I LITERALLY SAW ONE IN ONE

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OF OUR FOCUS GROUPS AND SHE WAS

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LIKE DAVID ON MSNBC TOLD ME TO

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CROSS OVER SO I’M GOING TO DO

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IT.

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THAT CAN VERY MUCH MATTER.

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NIKKI HALEY SPEAKING TO THAT

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GROUP TONIGHT IS GOING TO OFFER

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THEM A PITCH.

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J.D.

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VANCE, THE J.D.

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VANCE PIC WAS NOT A MOVE FOR

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THE NIKKI HALEY VOTER.

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IT WAS A MOVE FOR THE OTHER

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SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE.

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EVEN MORE WORKING-CLASS WHITE
MEN.

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MEN.

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EVEN MORE YOUNGER BASED VOTERS.

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THE VANCE PIC MAKES THE HALEY

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SPEECH ABSURD.

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IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH

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BECAUSE SHE IS LIKE I AM DOING

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THIS -- BOTH OF THEM WANT TO

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GIVE YOU KIND TO PUTIN.

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>> ALTHOUGH ONE OF THE THINGS I

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WILL SAY AND, McKAY, I’M

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CURIOUS.

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WE’VE BEEN LISTENING TO SOME OF

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THE SPEECHES AND LET’S BE CLEAR,

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CONVENTION SPEECHES ARE JUST

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FORGETTABLE AND THAT IS TRUE

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FOR ALL PARTIES AND ALL THE

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CONVENTIONS I’VE BEEN TO, BUT

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AM I LOOKING CARE?

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THANK YOU.

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McKAY, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR

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YOU IS ONE THING THAT

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CONVENTIONS CAN DO VERY

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EFFECTIVELY AND I THINK YOU SAW

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THIS IN 2020 WITH IMMIGRANTS AT

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THE WHITE HOUSE, IS TO PLAY

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AGAINST TYPE.

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YOU ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO

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VOTE FOR YOU.

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YOU HAVE THIS BIG PLATFORM TO

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PLAY AGAINST TYPE.

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GEORGE BUSH DID THE

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COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE

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STUFF.

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DONALD TRUMP DID A LITTLE OF

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THAT IN 2020.

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JOHN.

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2004 WAS BASICALLY GOING TO

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CRAWL THROUGH THE MUD TO KILL

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OSAMA BIN LADEN HIMSELF.

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IS THERE ANY OF THAT HAPPENING

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ATMOSPHERICALLY, THEMATICALLY

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FROM WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ABOUT

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PLAYING AGAINST TYPE FOR FOLKS

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OR MAYBE TURNED OFF ABOUT THE

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HARDER EDGES?

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>> I WOULD SAY TO TIM’S POINT

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OF ANYTHING THEY ARE GOING THE

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OTHER DIRECTION.

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I HAVE NOT SEEN A LOT OF APPEALS

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TO MITT ROMNEY REPUBLICANS,

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NIKKI HALEY REPUBLICANS, YOU

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KNOW, REAGANISM.

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THAT IS FULLY IN THE REARVIEW

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MIRROR.

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I GUESS THE CAVEAT IS THAT

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THERE ARE A LOT OF SPEECHES

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THAT ARE NOT BROADCAST IN PRIME

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TIME THAT ARE JUST VERY

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STANDARD REPUBLICAN TALKING

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POINTS THAT YOU HAVE LIKELY

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HEARD 1000 TIMES.

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BUT FOR THE MOST PART THE BIG

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MOMENTS ARE NOT APPEALING TO

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THAT LEFT BEHIND FACTION OF THE

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REPUBLICAN PARTY.

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THEY’VE GOT THE TEAMSTERS ON

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STAGE.

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THEY ARE TRYING TO APPEAL MORE

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TO THE KIND OF DISENFRANCHISED

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OR FRUSTRATED PARTS.

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YOU KNOW HAVING SPENT TIME IN

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THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS TEXTING

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WITH SOME OF THE OLD GUARD