GOING ENOUGH.
STEPHANIE GOSK TALKS WITH THE
MAN LEADING IT ALL.
>> Reporter: THE OVERTURNING OF
ROE V. WADE DIDN’T END THE
BATTLE OVER ABORTION ACCESS.
IT JUST IGNITED ANOTHER FIERCE
ROUND OF FIGHTING, AND THE
ISSUE REMAINS FRONT AND CENTER
AS THE COUNTRY HEADS INTO THE
2024 ELECTION.
>> IS IT MURDER?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Reporter: THIS IS JASON
STORM, DIRECTOR OF OPERATION
SAVE AMERICA, WHO PUBLICLY
ADVOCATES EXTREME POSITIONS ON
A NUMBER OF ISSUES.
>> REVOLUTION 2.0 GOING ON
HERE.
>> WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY
REAL POSSIBLE REALITY THAT WE
HAVE TO TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST
OUR OWN TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT
AND ARE WE PREPARED TO DO IT
AND WIN?
>> Reporter: HE TRAVELS AROUND
THE COUNTRY TO LOBBY FOR
LEGISLATION THAT COULD PUT
WOMEN IN JAIL OR WORSE FOR
GETTING AN ABORTION.
>> YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY
KILLING A HUMAN BEING.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF
MURDER.
>> SHOULD THAT PERSON BE
CHARGED AND CONVICTED FOR
MURDER?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> PRISON FOR LIFE?
>> WHATEVER THE LAWS ARE FOR
KILLING AN INNOCENT PERSON.
>> IN SOME CASES, THAT’S THE
DEATH PENALTY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Reporter: AT THE NATIONAL
LEVEL, OSA’S MESSAGE S A
POTENTIAL THORN IN REPUBLICANS’
SIDE AT A TIME WHEN SOME IN THE
PARTY ARE CONCERNED THE
ABORTION ISSUE IS BAD POLITICS,
EVEN MODERATING THEIR POSITIONS
AS ELECTIONS GET CLOSER.
>> A FULL BAN ON ABORTION IS
NOT WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
>> Reporter: STORMS HAS FOUND
SUPPORT AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND
HE’S PUSHING TO GET MORE.
>> ARE THERE POLITICIANS YOU’VE
HELPED GET ELECTED WHO ARE
FIGHTING YOUR CAUSE?
>> YES.
WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS
GOING IN 18 DIFFERENT STATES ON
THE GROUND AND MOBILIZED
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: MORE THAN TWO
DOZEN BILLS INTRODUCED IN THE
LAST TWO YEARS THAT WOULD OPEN
THE DOOR FOR A WOMAN TO BE
INVESTIGATED AND EVEN
PROSECUTED.
>> NOW WE’VE HAD 14 STATES
PRESENTLY THAT HAVE BANNED
ABORTION.
WHILE THAT IS A STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION TO PUT ABORTION
UNDER HOMICIDE STATUTES, IT’S
ILLEGAL FOR A DOCTOR TO PERFORM
AN ABORTION IN 14 STATES.
IN ALL THOSE STATES, THE
MOTHERS ARE EXPLICITLY EXEMPTED
FROM ANY PUNISHMENT OR ANY
LEGAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> YOU DON’T THINK THAT SHOULD
BE THE CASE?
>> NOT AT ALL.
>> Reporter: OSA IS A REBRANDED
VERSION OF OPERATION RESCUE,
ACTIVE IN THE 1980s.
IN THE FOLLOWING DECADE,
TENSIONS OVER THE ABORTION
ISSUE RAN HIGH, AND DOCTORS
WERE EVEN KILLED.
NEITHER OPERATION RESCUE OR OSA
WERE EVER INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE
AGAINST CLINIC OPERATOR, SAYS
STORMS.
A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE CONNECTED
WITH OSA HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF
VIOLATING THE FACE ACT, AND
THEY ARE AWAITING SENTENCING.
>> I’M LOOKING AT 22 YEARS IN
FEDERAL PRISON.
THAT’S WHAT I’M LOOKING AT.
I WISH I COULD HAVE DONE MORE
PRO LIFE MINISTRIES, AND I HAVE
ZERO REGRETS.
>> MEETINGS ARE GOOD.
VERY PRODUCTIVE.
>> Reporter: IN OHIO, STORMS
BROUGHT HIS FOLLOWERS AND HIS
FAMILY TO THE STATE CAPITAL
INCLUDING SEVERAL OF HIS 11
CHILDREN TO LOBBY LAWMAKERS.
>> KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT.
>> Reporter: HE HAD MEETTION
WITH AT LEAST THREE STATE
REPRESENTATIVES.
LAST NOVEMBER, OHIO PASSED A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
PROTECTING ABORTION ACCESS UP
TO 22 WEEKS.
ONE OF THE LAWMAKER BEHIND IT,
STATE REPRESENTATIVE SULMANI.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE
STATISTICS LAST NOVEMBER, 57%
OF PEOPLE IN OHIO VOTED FOR THE
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO
ABORTION.
THAT IS NOT A MINORITY.
THAT IS A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: STORMS TOLD US
HE’S IN OHIO BECAUSE HE
BELIEVES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
FAILED IMMOBILIZING THE ANTI
ABORTION VOTE.
>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DID NOT
PUT THE MONEY AND THE RESOURCES
INTO THIS FIGHT IN A WAY THAT
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DID TO WIN
HERE.
>> DO YOU THINK THERE’S A
POSSIBILITY THAT A MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE IN THIS STATE JUST
SIMPLY DON’T AGREE WITH YOU,
JASON?
>> THAT’S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE,
OF COURSE.
BUT THIS IS A VERY RED STATE.
DONALD TRUMP WON HUGE IN THIS
STATE, AND PRO-LIFE PEOPLE
DOMINATE ALL ASPECTS OF STATE
GOVERNMENT HERE.
HEY, GUYS, WE’RE GOING TO ROUND
EVERYBODY UP HERE AND PRAY.
>> Reporter: FROM THE CAPITAL
BUILDING IN COLUMBUS, OSA DROVE
TO CINCINNATI, AND SHOWED UP AT
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
>> THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES
OF SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD.
>> YA’LL CAN’T WALK THE
SIDEWALK.
YOU HAVE TO LET PEOPLE WALK
DOWN THE SIDEWALK.
>> Reporter: THEY PROTESTED AT
TWO INCLINICS IN THE AREA,
INCLUDING THIS ONE IN DAYTON.
HE COULD NOT FILM THE MULTIPLE
WOMEN THAT WALKED INSIDE.
>> YOU’RE SHOUTING.
DOES IT BECOME INTIMIDATION?
>> ON OUR PART?
>> YEAH.
>> OH, I DON’T THINK SO, NO.
THAT’S COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO
WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH.
>> HOW ABOUT HARASSMENT?
>> OF COURSE NOT, NO.
>> Reporter: WE TAUGHT UP WITH
ONE OF THE CLINIC’S DOCTORS.
>> DID ANYONE SAY IT WAS HARD
COMING IN HERE?
>> MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAID IT WAS
A REALLY HARD THING TO COME IN
TODAY.
>> DID YOUR PATIENTS FEEL LIKE
THEY WERE HARASSED AND
INTIMIDATED TODAY?
>> YES.
>> Reporter: STORMS SAYS IT’S
IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO PRESSURE
THE WOMEN GOING IN TO GET
ABORTIONS BUT TRY TO CONVINCE
YOUNG PEOPLE ON COLLEGE
CAMPUSES AND EVEN IN HIGH
SCHOOLS.
>> PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS
FEEDING PROPAGANDA TO THESE
KIDS.
>> Reporter: WHAT MATTERS MOST
HE SAYS IS PRESSURING
POLITICIANS.
>> WE’RE PRESSURING DONALD
TRUMP RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF US ARE THREATENING TO
WITHHOLD OUR VOTES FROM HIM AND
SAYING YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET
OUR VOTE IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO
STAND STRONG IN DEFENSE OF PRE
BORN CHILDREN.
>> IF HE DOES NOT, WILL YOU
STAY HOME?
>> YES.
>> YOU WON’T VOTE THAT DAY?
>> OH, I’LL VOTE FOR A THIRD
PARTY.
>> Reporter: HE DOESN’T BELIEVE
TRUMP IS GOING FAR ENOUGH.
ALL THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE HAS
SAID IS IT’S IN THE STATE’S
HANDS.
>> THE STATES WILL DETERMINE BY
VOTE OR LEGISLATION OR PERHAPS
BOTH, AND WHATEVER THEY DECIDE
MUST BE THE LAW OF THE LAND.
>> Reporter: STORMS VOTED FOR
DONALD TRUMP IN 2020, EVEN
SHOWING UP AT THE RALLY OUTSIDE
THE U.S. CAPITOL ON JANUARY
6th.
>> WE’RE AT THE CAPITOL.
A BUNCH OF GUYS RUSHED IN.
THEY GOT TEAR GAS.
>> Reporter: IN BATTLEGROUND
STATES, THE MARGINS ARE RAZOR
THIN.
EVERY VOTE COUNTS.
DOCTORS AND LAWMAKERS WHO HAVE
DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO
SUPPORTING A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO
ABORTION ACCESS WORRY
POLITICIANS MIGHT COURT EXTREME
VIEWS ON ABORTION JUST FOR THE
VOTES.
VIEWS LIKE JASON STORMS.
>> MY QUESTION SO YOU IS WHY
SHOULD YOUR VERSION OF
CHRISTIANITY AND WHAT YOU SEE
AS THE BEGINNING OF AUTONOMOUS
LIFE BE WHAT GOVERNS THE WHOLE
COUNTRY WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTRY
THAT’S BASED ON FREEDOM OF
RELIGION?
>> BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT’S
TRUE.
>> STEPHANIE GOSK IS JOINING US
NOW.
THANKS FOR BEING WITH US HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU RAISED THE
QUESTION TO MR. STORMS THERE
ABOUT WHETHER HIS POSITION IS
OUT OF STEP WITH THE MAJORITY
OF WHERE AMERICANS ARE RIGHT
NOW BASED ON POLLING AS IT
RELATES TO ABORTION ACCESS.
YOU EXPLAINED HE IS NOT HAPPY
WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR
HIS POSITION ON ABORTION
ACCESS.
HERE WE ARE IN AN ELECTION
YEAR, MONTHS AWAY FROM AN
ELECTION.
TALK TO US MORE ABOUT THAT
PIECE OF IT.
>> Reporter: YEAH, SURE.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS
COUNTRY WHO WERE, YOU KNOW,
AGAINST ABORTION ACCESS IN THIS
COUNTRY, THEY THOUGHT THE
OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE WAS
JUST A STEP TOWARD A NATIONAL
BAN.
NOW, NOT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE
HAVE THE KIND OF EXTREME VIEWS
WE HEARD FROM STORMS, INCLUDING
PROSECUTING A WOMAN FOR MURDER
IN THE EVENT THAT SHE GOT AN
ABORTION, BUT THEY CERTAINLY
WERE LOOKING FOR A NATIONAL
BAN.
AND I THINK THERE’S A GROWING
LEVEL OF DISAPPOINTMENT AMONG
TEASE PEOPLE THAT A NATIONAL
BAN IS KIND OF OFF THE TABLE
FOR A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO
ARE AT A BARE MINIMUM
ACKNOWLEDGING HOW THIS IS NOT A
GOOD POLITICAL ISSUE FOR THEM.
YOU OBVIOUSLY HEARD PRESIDENT
TRUMP BACKING OFF ANY TALK OF A
NATIONAL BAN SAYING IT’S IN THE
STATE’S HANDS.
WHAT’S UNCLEAR AND A QUESTION
FOR A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IS