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WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

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IT’S RELATED IN A WAY.

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PRETTY INCREDIBLE VIDEO WE WANT

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TO SHOW YOU.

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IT’S AN EVANGELICAL PASTOR

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DELIVERING A FORCEFUL SERMON

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DENOUNCING WHAT’S BECOME KNOWN

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AS THE TRUMP BIBLE AS

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BLASPHEMOUS AND DISGUSTING.

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IN MARCH, TRUMP BEGAN SELLING A

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$64 GOD BLESS THE USA BIBLE

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COMPLETE WITH COPIES OF THE

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NATION’S FOUNDING DOCUMENTS.

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THE SERMON BY REVEREND

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LIVINGSTON IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH

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CAROLINA, HAS GONE VIRAL,

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DRAWING MILLIONS OF VIEWS SO

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FAR.

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TAKE A LOOK.

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>> WHEN YOU DON’T READ AND PRAY,

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YOU SAY, WOW, THERE’S A BIBLE

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OUT NOW THAT INCLUDES THE

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CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF

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RIGHTS.

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ISN’T THAT WONDERFUL?

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NO!

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NO!

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IT’S DISGUSTING!

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IT’S BLASPHEMOUS.

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IT’S A PLOY.

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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SOME OF YOU ARE SO ENCOURAGED BY

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THAT?

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LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.

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THE GOSPEL IS NOT AN AMERICAN

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GOSPEL!

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IT IS THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD

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JESUS CHRIST!

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[ APPLAUSE ]

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>> BUT PASTOR, I BOUGHT THE

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BIBLE.
REALLY?

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REALLY?

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YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT YOU’RE

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ENCOURAGED BECAUSE SOMEONE TOOK

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A GOVERNMENT U.S. CONSTITUTION,

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A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WE ARE OF

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THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND

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FOR THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE, THE

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PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE.

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AND YOU HAVE PUT IT RIGHT BESIDE

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THE WORD OF GOD, WHICH IS

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ETERNAL, UNCHANGING, WHICH SAYS

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OF HIM, BY HIM, THROUGH HIM, TO

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HIM, FROM HIM ARE ALL THINGS.

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AND YOU’RE GOING TO PUT THOSE

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TOGETHER AND BE HAPPY ABOUT IT?

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GOD FORBID.

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NOW, YOU CAN GET MAD IF YOU WANT

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TO, BUT I’M GOING TO TELL YOU

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SOMETHING.

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IF YOU GLORY IN THAT KIND OF

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THING, YOU DON’T HAVE A PRAYER

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LIFE.

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IF YOU GLORY IN THAT KIND OF

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MESS, POLITICAL MESS, YOU DO NOT

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KNOW WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS.

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>> LET’S BRING IN RUSSELL MOORE,

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THE EDITOR AND CHIEF OF

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"CHRISTIANITY TODAY."

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WE ALSO HAVE STILL WITH US DAVID

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FRENCH.

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RUSSELL, BEFORE ANYONE GETS

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CONFUSED, THIS GENTLEMAN IS NOT

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GOING TO BE A DEMOCRATIC

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DELEGATE TO THE CHICAGO

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DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.

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HIS POSITIONS ON ABORTION AND

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LGBTQ ISSUES AND MANY OTHERS

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WOULD NOT COME CLOSE TO FITTING

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THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S MESSAGE

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ON THOSE BELIEFS.

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THAT SAID, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES

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THAT A MORE STEAMING INDICTMENT

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AMONG REPUBLICAN EVANGELICALS, I

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THINK, WHAT HE JUST SAID.

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TAKE US THROUGH WHAT HE JUST

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SAID AND HOW IT ALIGNS WITH SO

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MUCH OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND

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DAVID AND I BELIEVE.

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>> WELL, WHAT HE SAID SHOULDN’T

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BE CONTROVERSIAL OR EVEN

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REMARKABLE AT ALL.

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IT WAS AN OLD-FASHIONED SERMON

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AGAINST IDOLATRY.

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IT’S THE FACT THAT WE’RE LIVING

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IN SUCH STRANGE TIMES THAT WE

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EVEN TAKE NOTICE OF THIS.

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WHAT I NOTICE ABOUT THIS MAN IS

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HE’S NOT SCARED.

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I DON’T KNOW HIM, I’VE NEVER

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HEARD HIM BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE

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SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED

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OF THEIR AUDIENCES THAT THEY’RE

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AFRAID OF WHAT’S GOING TO

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HAPPEN.

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I GUARANTEE YOU THIS GUY WAS

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BEING STOPPED ON THE WAY OUT OF

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THE CHURCH TO SAY HOW DARE YOU

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CRITICIZE TRUMP?

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HE’S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS

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NOT ONLY DESTROYING OUR

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POLITICS, BUT ALSO OUR RELIGION.

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WE HAVE PEOPLE SELLING PRODUCTS

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TO US WITH OUR OWN SACRED TEXT

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MIXING THEM IN SOME POLITICAL

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MARKETING CAMPAIGN.

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THAT IS DOING SOMETHING REALLY

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SICK TO ALL OF US.

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I THINK THIS PASTOR RECOGNIZES

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DONALD TRUMP HAS A LOT OF

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BRANDED PROPERTIES WITH HIS NAME

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ON THEM.

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THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST

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SHOULDN’T BE ONE OF THEM.

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>> WHAT’S SO EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT

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THAT CLIP IS THAT WE DON’T SEE

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MORE OF IT.

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WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHY THAT

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IS?

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IS IT A FEAR OF THE CONGREGATION

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IN THE SAME WAY THAT POLITICIANS

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FEAR TRUMP VOTERS?

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>> YOU HAVE POLITICIANS WHO FEAR

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THEIR AUDIENCES ACROSS THE

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BOARD.

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IN SOME WAYS, IT IS WHAT WE SEE

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WITH FACULTY MEMBERS SAY TO

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CAMPUS ADMINISTRATORS YOU CAN’T

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BE SCREAMING ANTI-SEMITIC

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REMARKS BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT

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TO LOSE THEIR BASE.

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SAME THING HAPPENS, SADLY, IN

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CHURCHES.

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THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON’T

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WANT TO GET THE ANGRY

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CONVERSATIONS THAT COME IF THEY

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CRITICIZE A FAVORED CANDIDATE IN

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THEIR CHURCHES.

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SOME OTHER PEOPLE THINK IF WE

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SIMPLY RIDE THIS OUT, IT WILL GO

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AWAY.

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WE’RE EIGHT YEARS IN.

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IT’S NOT GOING AWAY.

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WE HAVE CHURCH ATTENDANCE

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PLUMMETING.

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WE HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO CALL

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THEMSELVES EVANGELICALS

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PLUMMETING.

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WHAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR

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THAT?

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PEOPLE SEE IT AS JUST ANOTHER

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FORM OF POLITICS.

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WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WILLING

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TO SAY, NO, THE GOSPEL IS

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ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT.

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>> DAVID FRENCH, I WONDER IF

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YOU’RE SENSING WHAT I’M SENSING.

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AGAIN, I THINK I’M ALWAYS A

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LITTLE TOO OPTIMISTIC.

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BUT I’M HEARING PASTORS PREACH

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SERMONS THIS YEAR IN CHURCHES

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THAT FOUR YEARS AGO WERE ALL IN.

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THEY MAY NOT SAY VOTE FOR DONALD

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TRUMP, BUT THEY WERE ALL IN.

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I’M HEARING THIS MESSAGE MORE

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FROM PASTORS IN VERY

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CONSERVATIVE CHURCHES SAYING,

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LET’S DO THIS.

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LET’S KEEP POLITICS OUTSIDE THE

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CHURCH DOORS AND LET’S JUST LET

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IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

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LET’S FOCUS ON THAT FOR A WHILE

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PEOPLE.

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WHAT A RADICAL CONCEPT.

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I’M PICKING THAT UP IN SOME

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CONSERVATIVE PLACES I’M GOING TO

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CHURCH.

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I WONDER IF YOU ARE AS WELL.

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>> A LITTLE BIT, JOE.

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I’M GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS

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OPTIMISTIC.

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WHAT I’M SENSING MORE OF IS THE

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PEOPLE WHO ARE TIRED OF THE

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TRUMP PHENOMENON ARE JUST

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DROPPING OUT, THE EXHAUSTION

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FACTOR MORE THAN THE PUSHBACK.

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I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT CLIP.

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IT WAS SO POWERFULLY STATED.

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ONE REASON IT WENT SO VIRAL IS

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BECAUSE IT IS SUCH THE EXCEPTION

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RATHER THAN A RULE.

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I’M SEEING PEOPLE WHO ARE TIRED

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OF TRUMP WHO ARE MUCH MORE APT

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TO CHECK OUT THAN RISE UP IN

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OPPOSITION TO IT.

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THEY’LL RETREAT KIND OF BACK

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INTO THE BUSHES RATHER THAN

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ACTIVELY OPPOSE IT.

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THERE’S THIS SENSE OF HOPEFULLY

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THIS WILL PASS AND BE OVER.

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THAT’S WHAT I’M SEEING.

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THIS CLEANUP,IP, YOU NEVER KNOW

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WILL MAKE A PERSON SAY ENOUGH IS

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ENOUGH.

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SO EVERY ONE OF THESE CLIPS

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WHERE A PERSON HAS THE GUTS TO

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STAND UP AND SAY OBVIOUSLY TRUE

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THINGS SO WELL, THOSE THINGS

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HELP.

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BUT AS FAR AS THE MATH, WHEN

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PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH TRUMP,

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THEY’RE CHECKING OUT, NOT

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OPPOSING HIM AS MUCH, AT LEAST

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WHERE I AM.

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>> FINALLY, I’VE GOT TO SAY,

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UNFORTUNATELY, TOO MANY PASTORS

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OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS HAVE

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BEEN SCARED TO TELL THEIR

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CONGREGATIONS THE TRUTH.

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THEY’VE TOLD YOU THAT QUIETLY.

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I’VE HAD PASTORS QUIETLY TELLING

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ME THAT.

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MEANWHILE JUST THE HATRED AND

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VENOM INSIDE OF THESE CHURCHES

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IS SHOCKING.

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TIM ALBERTA TOLD HIS STORY OF

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BEING AT HIS DAD’S FUNERAL AND

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THE RECEIVING LINE COMING IN AND

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PEOPLE ATTACKING HIM FOR

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REPORTING ON DONALD TRUMP.

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I TOLD THE STORY BEFORE ABOUT

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BEING AT MY MOM’S FUNERAL

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SHAKING HANDS WITH PEOPLE THAT I

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WENT TO CHURCH WITH FOUR TIMES A

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WEEK AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN

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PENSACOLA, COMING UP TO ME

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SAYING THEY’RE PLAYING FOR ME

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AND GOD IS NOT PLEASED BECAUSE

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I’M NOT SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP.

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MY MOM’S CASKET TWO FEET BEHIND

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ME.

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WHAT DO YOU SAY OTHER THAN WHAT

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I SAID TO HER, WHICH IS, I WANT

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YOU TO KNOW I WILL BE PRAYING

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FOR YOU TONIGHT AND PRAYING THAT

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JESUS CHRIST WILL FIND HIS WAY

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BACK INTO YOUR HEART, BECAUSE

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HE’S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

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IT’S SHOCKING.

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THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF JEREMIAH

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AND THE WORSHIPPING OF IDOLS.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT DO YOU VOTE

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FOR TRUMP OR BIDEN.

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THIS IS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON

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INSIDE OF THE CHURCH.

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IS IT AN ARM OF A POLITICAL

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PARTY, OR IS IT THE ALTAR OF

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JESUS CHRIST?

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IT’S PRETTY SIMPLE, ISN’T IT?

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>> IT’S PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT WHEN

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A POLITICIAN BECOMES THE

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RELIGION, THEN WHO’S IN AND

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WHO’S OUT IS DEFINED BY HOW

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ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THE

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POLITICIAN.

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THAT’S WHAT’S SO TRAGIC ABOUT

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WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE.

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THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PASTORS

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WHO HAVE BEEN PROFILES IN

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COURAGE, SAYING WE’RE NOT GOING

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TO HAND OUR BIBLES OVER TO A

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POLITICAL MOVEMENT.

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A LOT OF THOSE PASTORS AREN’T IN

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MINISTRY ANYMORE, PRECISELY

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BECAUSE OF THE BACKLASH THEY’VE

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HAD.

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A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN’T ON

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BOARD ARE JUST CHECKING OUT AND

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LEAVING.

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THAT MEANS PEOPLE REALLY HAVE TO

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STAND UP AND SAY WE HAVE

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SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HAND TO OUR