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IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK.
THE THREAT OF POLITICALLY
INSPIRED VIOLENCE LOOMS OVER
EVERY SINGLE FACET OF AMERICAN
CIVIC LIFE
THANKS TO A NEW ROUND OF THREATS
FROM THE EX PRESIDENT AND
REVEALED BY NEW REPORTING ON
THIS TOPIC
THE PROSECUTORS WHO HAVE
INDICTED DONALD TRUMP FACE
THREATS AGAINST THEM, THEIR
FAMILIES, THEIR KIDS AND THEIR
STAFFS
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE
SPENDING RECORD SUMS ON SECURITY
FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR
FAMILIES AND THEIR STAFF
DONALD TRUMP LAST NIGHT RENEWED
A SMEAR AGAINST THE MEDIA FIRST
DEPLOYED DURING HIS PRESIDENCY
BY LASHING OUT AT THE NETWORKS
OF NBC AND MSNBC CALLING US,
QUOTE, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE
TRUMP ATTACKED U.S. ACTIVE DUTY
MILITARY BY ACCUSING ITS TOP
OFFICIAL OF TREASON.
TRUMP DIDN’T SPARE THE PUBLIC AT
LARGE EITHER THE EX PRESIDENT AND HIS ALLIES
HAVE ATTACKED THE GRAND JURORS
THE BRAND NEW REPORTING IN "THE
NEW YORK TIMES" LAYS OUT HOW LAW
ENFORCEMENT IS SEEKING TO
RESPOND TO THIS UNPRECEDENTED
DOMESTIC THREAT ENVIRONMENT.
QUOTE, AS THE PROSECUTIONS OF
THREAT HAVE ACCELERATED SO TOO
HAVE THREATS AGAINST LAW
ENFORCEMENT, JUDGES, ELECTED
OFFICIALS AND OTHERS
THE THREATS ARE PROMPTING
PROTECTIVE MEASURES.
THE LEGAL EFFORT TO CURB HIS
INCENDIARY STATEMENTS, A RENEWED
CONCERN IN WHICH TRUMP HAS
PROMISED RETRIBUTION TO PRODUCE
VIOLENCE
THE DISINFORMATION, THE
GRIEVANCES, THE ANGRY AND
VIOLENT RHETORIC THAT LED TO THE
JANUARY 6th INSURRECTION HAS
SHOWN NO SIGN OF PETERING OUT.
AS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS,
QUOTE, IN APRIL BEFORE FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS INDICTED TRUMP, ONE
SURVEY SHOWED THAT 4.5% OF
AMERICAN ADULTS AGREED WITH THE
IDEA THAT THE USE OF FORCE WAS
JUSTIFIED TO RESTORE TRUMP TO
THE PRESIDENCY
TWO MINUTES LATER AFTER THE
FIRST FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF
TRUMP, THAT FIGURE SURGED TO 7%.
ONE EXPERT TELLING "THE NEW YORK
TIMES," THE INDICTMENTS OF TRUMP
ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT CURRENT
DRIVERS OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE WE
HAVE
NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING
WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE EX
PRESIDENT WHO POURS KEROSENE ON
THE FIRE ON A DAILY BASIS.
STATEMENTS TARGET HIS PERCEIVED
POLITICAL OPPONENTS, THE MEDIA
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS
WHO HE BELIEVES STAND IN HIS
WAY.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS
REQUESTED A GAG ORDER, A LEGAL
BATTLE BETWEEN JACK SMITH AND
TRUMP’S ATTORNEYS IS SET TO
UNFOLD THIS WEEK, PUSHING THE
COUNTRY INTO UNCHARTERED
TERRITORY.
QUOTE, THERE’S LITTLE PRECEDENT FOR HOW THE JUDGE OVERSEEING THE
CASE, TANYA CHUTKAN SHOULD ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE
PARTICIPATING IN THE
PROCEEDINGS.
EFFORTS TO COUNTER THE THREAT OF
POLITICAL VIOLENCE EMANATING
FROM TRUMP AND TRUMPISM IS WHERE
WE BEGIN WITH SOME OF OUR
FAVORITE REPORTERS
FORMER FBI COUNTER INTELLIGENCE
AGENT PETE STRUCK IS HERE.
"NEW YORK TIMES" WASHINGTON
CORRESPONDENT AND MSNBC NATIONAL
SECURITY CONTRIBUTOR MEG SCHMIDT
AND MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST
CLAIRE McCASKILL, THE FORMER
SENATOR.
MIKE, TAKE US THROUGH YOUR
REPORTING WHICH SEEMS TO SEEK TO
CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN THE
CURRENT THREAT ENVIRONMENT WHICH
WE TALK ABOUT A LOT AND ALL OF
THE SMEARS OR POSTS OR TRUTH
SOCIALS AND ALL THE THREATS THAT
HAVE BEEN REALIZED
YOU MENTION OBAMA HAD A WOULD BE
ATTACKER OUTSIDE HIS PRESENCE.
OTHERS, DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE CROSSED
WIRES WITH TRUMP, REQUIRE
SECURITY
WE COVER A LOT OF THE
PROSECUTORS WHO ARE FACING
UNPRECEDENTED THREATS.
MORE RECENTLY THIS REMARKABLE
FILING FROM THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT JACK
SMITH’S TEAM SEES AS A REAL
THREAT TO THE VERY ABILITY TO
PUT ON A FAIR TRIAL IN D.C.
BECAUSE OF THINGS TRUMP’S BEEN
SAY.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE AS
JOURNALISTS, ESPECIALLY WITH
EVERYTHING THAT’S GOING ON, IS
TRYING TO CAPTURE A MOMENT OR
WHAT IS GOING ON CURRENTLY BY
CONNECTING DIFFERENT THINGS.
TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU STEP BACK
AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF,
WHETHER YOU’RE A SCHOLAR OR
SOMEONE WHO MONITORS THIS STUFF
ON A DAILY BASIS OR A POLITICIAN
OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, A
LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO BE SAYING
THE SAME THING
ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE
TANGIBLE EXAMPLES, ARRESTS THAT
HAVE BEEN MADE BY PEOPLE MAKING
THREATS.
THE FBI HAS FATALLY SHOT AND
KILLED TWO PEOPLE OVER THE PAST
13 MONTHS RELATED TO THREATS AND
SUCH
WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS SAY,
HEY, THERE’S A LOT OF STUFF
BEING SAID, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT
IT ALL, THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL,
EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT
THAT’S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO
DO, TRYING TO TIE ALL THOSE
PIECES TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE’S
A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE
HAPPENED
THE ARREST OF THE PERSON OUTSIDE
OF OBAMA’S HOUSE, THE CALLS INTO
THE JUDGE, ALL OF THOSE STORIES
GOT SOME ATTENTION, BUT THEY
DIDN’T GET, YOU KNOW -- WE TRIED
TO PUT THEM ALTOGETHER IN ONE
PLACE.
>> PETE, AFTER 9/11 THERE WERE
CALLS TO DECLASSIFY ABOUT BIN
LADEN’S DESIRE TO ATTACK IN THE
U.S.
WE DON’T NEED IT HERE.
THE PERSON WHO WANTED TO MURDER
JUDGE CHUTKAN, SHE WAS ARRESTED
BEFORE SHE CARRIED OUT VIOLENCE.
THE WOULD BE OBAMA ATTACKER,
THERE WAS SOMEONE WANDERING
AROUND THE PRESIDENT’S HOUSE AND
THE SECRET SERVICE DEALS WITH
THAT ALL THE TIME.
IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, IF ANYTHING
HAPPENS TO ANYONE -- WE SHOULD
SAY SOMETHING HAS ALREADY
HAPPENED
PAUL PELOSI WAS ATTACKED BY A
DERANGED PERSON WHO SPEWS
CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
YOU HAD A SHOOTER IN NEW MEXICO
WHO SHOT DEMOCRATIC ELECTION
OFFICIALS.
JANUARY 6th HAPPENED AND EVERY
MEMBER OF THE HOUSE AND EVERY
SENATOR RAN FOR THEIR LIVES.
IF THERE’S VIDEO OF ANYONE NOT
RUNNING, I HAVEN’T SEEN IT YET
SOMETHING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED
WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES THIS
THREAT SO DIFFICULT TO STAY
AHEAD OF
>> WELL, NICOLLE, ANY TIME YOU
HAVE THAT STUNNING 7% THAT YOU
CITED OF THE POPULATION THAT
BELIEVES IT’S JUSTIFIED THAT
VIOLENCE MUST BE JUSTIFIED,
THAT’S A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BODY OF 30
PLUS MILLION PEOPLE WHO VOTED
FOR TRUMP.
NOT ALL 7% OF THOSE FOLKS WILL
TAKE UP ARMS, BUT IF EVEN A TINY
PERCENT DECIDE THEY’RE
AGGRIEVED, FROM A LAW
ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, IT’S
ONE THING IF YOU’RE TRACKING
WHAT THE OATH KEEPERS OR PROUD
BOYS ARE DOING AND FROM JANUARY
6th IT ISN’T CLEAR TO ME THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DIDN’T DO A
GOOD JOB WITH THOSE LARGE
GROUPS
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE OR TWO
PEOPLE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
CAESAR SINOCK, A TRUMP FOLLOWER,
WHO WAS SENDING EXPLOSIVE
DEVICES, THESE HAVE BEEN BREWING
FOR SOMETIME
WHEN YOU HAVE THE LEADER OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO ENCOURAGES
VIOLENCE, YOU’RE SETTING THE
STAGE FOR THIS GRIEVANCE AND THE
IDEA THAT VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED
IN RESPONSE TO THAT GRIEVANCE,
THAT ALL WE’RE WAITING ON IS
SOME ADVERSE RULING FROM A
JUDGE, AN ADVERSE FINDING IN A
COURT OF LAW, AN ADVERSE RESULT
IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND
IT TAKES NOT JUST THIS SIMMERING
ATTITUDE, BUT ONE THAT’S
ACTIVELY BEING ENCOURAGED BY
TRUMP AND I WORRY ANY ONE OF
THOSE EVENTS IS ENOUGH TO PUSH A
NUMBER OF SMALL ACTORS TO
VIOLENCE IN A WAY THAT FEDERAL