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It’s got to be Tide.

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>> UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS ME

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>> UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS ME

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DIFFERENTLY, WE ARE FOLLOWING

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OUR NORMAL PRACTICES.

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SO IT DOES NOT MATTER YOUR

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STATUS, WE HAVE MUGSHOTS READY

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FOR YOU.

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>> BY NEXT FRIDAY, DONALD TRUMP

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AND 18 OTHERS WILL ALL HAVE TO

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SURRENDER AT THE RICE STREET

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JAIL IN ATLANTA.

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AND IF THEY ARE TREATED THE

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SAME WAY AS ANY OTHER DEFENDANT

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AS THE SHERIFF SUGGESTED RIGHT

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THERE, THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE

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MUGSHOTS AND GET FINGERPRINTED

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AND FILL OUT FORMS INCLUDING A

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MEDICAL QUESTIONNAIRE.

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NOW, IN HIS PREVIOUS THREE

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CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS, THE

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FORMER PRESIDENT WAS PROCESSED

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AND ARRAIGNED IN A MATTER OF

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HOURS.

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THERE WERE NO MUGSHOTS AND

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THERE WERE NO CAMERAS PRESENT.

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BUT AT THE RIGHTS STREET JAILED

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THE BOOKING PROCESS COULD TAKE

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UP TO 12 HOURS BECAUSE OF

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OVERCROWDING.

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AND DEFENDANTS HAVE TO BE

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BOOKED AND ARRAIGNED

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SEPARATELY.

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THAT ARRAIGNMENT COULD HAPPEN

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ON CAMERA.

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SOMETIME DURING THE WEEK OF

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SEPTEMBER 5TH.

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TRUMP COULD APPEAR VIRTUALLY OR

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WAVE IT.

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BUT HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW UP TO

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THE JAIL REGARDLESS.

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SOMETIME BEFORE FRIDAY, AUGUST

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25TH.

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THAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR HIM TO

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SURRENDER AND BE BOOKED AND

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PROCESSED ON ALL 13 COUNTS IN

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THE FULTON COUNTY CRIMINAL

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INDICTMENT.

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JOINING ME NOW IS SOMEONE WHO

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KNOWS MR. TRUMP VERY WELL, MARY

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TRUMP, SHE IS DONALD TRUMP’S

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NIECE AND THE AUTHOR OF THE

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BACKSTORY, SERIAL SUBSTACK, AND

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HOST OF THE MARY TRUMP SHOW

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PODCAST.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING

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HERE TONIGHT.

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I AM SO EAGER TO GET YOUR

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THOUGHTS ON THE MAN, YOUR UNCLE,

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YOU KNOW WELL, THE FIRST IS I

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KIND OF WONDER AS WE TALK ABOUT

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THE BOOKING PROCESS, THE

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POTENTIAL MUGSHOTS AND

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FINGERPRINTS AND MARCHING

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THROUGH JAIL LIKE EVERY OTHER

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DEFENDANT, WHAT YOU THINK OF

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THIS IDEA THAT CHRIS CHRISTIE

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FLOATED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

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HE SAID HE KNOWS TRUMP REALLY

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WELL, AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH

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HE’S BEEN BRAGGING AND GOING ON

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ABOUT NOT BEING AFRAID, HE GOES

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TO BED AT EVERY NIGHT THINKING

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ABOUT THE SOUND OF THAT JAIL

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CELL DOOR CLOSING BEHIND HIM.

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DO YOU THINK THAT DEEP DOWN

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INSIDE THIS IS WEIGHING ON HIM

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AND THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,

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FOR EXAMPLE?

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>> YES.

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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR

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HAVING ME, IT IS GREAT TO BE

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HERE.

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I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS HIS

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CONSCIENCE AS CHRIS CHRISTIE

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SEEMS TO THINK.

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BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY

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REASONS FOR DONALD NOT TO

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BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING,

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FIRST OF ALL, AND SECONDLY,

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PROBABLY THE WORST THING THAT

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HE CAN FEEL IT’S HUMILIATION.

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HE USES A LOT OF WEAPONS AT HIS

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DISPOSAL TO DISPLACE THE

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HUMILIATION AND TWO THIS PLACE

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THE HUMILIATION SO HE DOES NOT

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HAVE TO FEEL WE’VE BEEN HEARING

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A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HIS INNER

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CIRCLE SAY HE’S FURIOUS ALL THE

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TIME.

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IT IS MUCH BETTER TO FEEL ANGRY

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THAN IT IS TO FEEL HUMILIATED

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AND AFRAID BUT DONALD IS, AND

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ALWAYS HAS BEEN, A FRIGHTENED

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LITTLE BOY DEEP DOWN.

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AND I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT

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WHEN HE GOES THROUGH THIS

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PROCESS NEXT WEEK, OR IN THE

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COMING DAYS, IF HE DOES, AS HE

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SHOULD, AS ALL OF THEM SHOULD,

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BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO,

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IT MIGHT ACTUALLY START

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BREAKING THROUGH.

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THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT HE

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COULD DO TO GET OUT OF THIS.

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WE SAW THIS IN NEW YORK, HE

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WASN’T ARROGANT, HE WASN’T

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BRASH, HE SUBMITTED IN A WAY

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THAT WAS MEEK, AND WE ARE GOING

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TO SEE THE SAME THING BUT ON

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STEROIDS NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE.

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>> I THINK YOU ARE MAKING

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OBSERVATIONS, QUITE OBVIOUSLY,

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BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE MAN WELL.

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BUT WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE

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MANNER IN WHICH HE’S DENIED

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THIS REALITY IS THROUGH ANGER

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AND VITRIOL.

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YOU COULD DENY THE CONCEPT OF

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INCARCERATION, BUT WHEN HE HAS

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WALKED AND MUGSHOT IT AND

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FINGERPRINTED, AND PUT THROUGH

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A JAIL SYSTEM THAT IS NOT AT

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ALL SIMILAR TO THE BOOKING

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PROCESS THAT HE HAS GONE

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THROUGH SO FAR, I WONDER IF

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THAT IS A FORM OF HUMILIATION.

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JUST THE MAN WHO DESCENDS FROM

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THE GILDED PALACE IN WHICH HE

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RESIDES, TO THE BASIS LEVELS OF

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THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, AND

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TREATED LIKE A COMMON CRIMINAL.

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THAT VERY PROCESS TO ME SEEMS

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LIKE A SYSTEMATIC MOMENT IN

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DONALD TRUMP’S LIFE.

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>> YEAH.

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AND QUITE HONESTLY, JUST THE

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FACT THAT HE HAS TO SHOW UP ON

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SOMEBODY ELSE’S SCHEDULE AND HE

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DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF

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SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT?

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I DON’T WANT TO DO THIS.

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BUT IN ITSELF IS HUMILIATING

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ENOUGH.

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WE ARE SEEING A MAN WHO, FOR

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HIS ENTIRE LIFE, HAS NEVER HAD

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THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING HELD

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ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING.

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WHO HAS NEVER HAD TO SUBMIT TO

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ANYBODY.

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WHO IS ALWAYS HAVING THE SYSTEM

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RIGGED IN HIS FAVOR, AT THIS

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POINT, FOR THE FOURTH TIME, NOT

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ONLY IS HE --

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FOR THE FOURTH TIME, HE’S GOING

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TO HAVE TO SHOW UP INSTEAD OF

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IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE, OR GO

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THROUGH THE PROCESSING, HE’S

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GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO

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THROUGH ALL OF IT, JUST LIKE

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ANY COMMON CRIMINAL DEFENDANT.

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>> YOU MENTIONED THE CONCEPT OF

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ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW IT IS

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NOT SOMETHING THAT DONALD TRUMP

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IS PARTICULARLY FAMILIAR WITH.

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I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK OF THE

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PERIL THAT HE KEEPS PUTTING

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HIMSELF IN LEGALLY SPEAKING, BY

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LASHING OUT AT PROSECUTORS.

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TARGETING JUDGES.

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SPEAKING BADLY ABOUT THE VERY

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PEOPLE WHO WILL DETERMINE HIS

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FATE.

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AND BEING, EFFECTIVELY, NOT

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THREATENED, BUT POTENTIALLY

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FORCED TO PAY A PRICE FOR THAT

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IN THE FORM OF A TRIAL DATE

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THAT HAS MOVED A, OR A FINE, OR

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EVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING

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INCARCERATED WHILE HE AWAITS

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TRIAL.

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DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS

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ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT

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COULD FORCE DONALD TRUMP TO

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STOP THE VITRIOL AND TO STOP

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THE TWEETS AND THE RAMS?

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OR IS HE GOING TO PUSH IT AS

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FAR AS HE POSSIBLY CAN?

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>> THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, HE

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IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP

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HIMSELF.

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THERE HAS BEEN A REALLY

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INTERESTING SHIFT OVER THE LAST

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FEW MONTHS OR COUPLE OF YEARS.

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THE WAY IN WHICH HE IS

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PRESENTING HIMSELF IN SOCIAL

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MEDIA, THE KIND OF ATTACKING

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NATURE, AND THE AGGRESSIVENESS,

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THAT USED TO BE A STRATEGY FOR

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HIM.

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YOU KNOW, HE USED TO THROW

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TEMPER TANTRUMS STRATEGICALLY

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TO GET HIS WAY.

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IT IS NOT STRATEGY ANYMORE.

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HE IS LITERALLY DOING WHAT HE

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HAS DONE IN OTHER CONTEXTS,

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WHICH IS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE

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TO SEE HOW MUCH HE COULD GET

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AWAY WITH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY,

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UNTIL THIS TIME, HAS BEEN

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EVERYTHING.

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BUT, THE UNCONSCIOUS FEAR,

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TERROR, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU

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HAVE A FEAR OF HUMILIATION IS

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SO STRONG, THAT HE CANNOT

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COURSE CORRECT AND REALIZE THAT

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WHAT HE’S ALWAYS DONE IS, THIS

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TIME, NOT GOING TO GET HIM WHAT

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HE WANTS.

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IN FACT, QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

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>> YEAH, THE IDEA THAT ANGER

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HAS BECOME THE DOMINANT OF TO

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EFFECTIVELY MAKE UP FOR ALL THE

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OTHER THINGS HE DOESN’T WANT TO

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FEEL IT IS A DANGEROUS

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PROPOSITION INDEED.

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MARY TRUMP, IT IS AND VALUABLE

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TO HAVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON