WEBVTT 00:03.204 --> 00:06.640 >> HALA SEVERAL DAYS WE’VE 00:06.674 --> 00:07.552 >> HALA SEVERAL DAYS WE’VE 00:07.554 --> 00:09.654 LEARNED THAT THERE WAS A LONG 00:09.665 --> 00:11.698 DRAWN OUT LEGAL BATTLE IN 00:11.699 --> 00:13.576 SECRET BETWEEN THE SPECIAL 00:13.577 --> 00:14.855 COUNSEL’S OFFICE AND TWITTER 00:14.857 --> 00:16.725 OVER A WARRANT FOR TWITTER TO 00:16.736 --> 00:18.176 TURN OVER ACCESS TO DONALD 00:18.210 --> 00:19.784 TRUMP’S ACCOUNT, INCLUDING HIS 00:19.795 --> 00:21.448 DIRECT MESSAGES OR DMS. 00:21.450 --> 00:23.634 TODAY WE HAVE A MUCH FULLER 00:23.645 --> 00:25.632 PICTURE OF THAT LEGAL BATTLE 00:25.633 --> 00:26.942 AND IT WAS ULTIMATELY RELEASED 00:26.943 --> 00:28.778 TO THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IN THE 00:28.812 --> 00:30.540 TWO SORT OF TOP LINE TAKEAWAYS 00:30.551 --> 00:33.510 OR THAT TRUMP DID HAVE LOTS OF 00:33.545 --> 00:35.037 DMS, WHAT LOYAL LAWYERS CALLED 00:35.038 --> 00:36.260 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS, 00:36.271 --> 00:37.576 WHICH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S 00:37.587 --> 00:40.378 OFFICE DID GET ACCESS TO, AND 00:40.379 --> 00:41.773 ELON MUSK COMPANY DID BASICALLY 00:41.807 --> 00:43.987 EVERYTHING IT COULD TO FIGHT ON 00:43.998 --> 00:45.242 TRUMP’S BEHALF, INCLUDING 00:45.253 --> 00:46.490 RESISTING PROSECUTORS DEMANDS 00:46.501 --> 00:48.299 THAT THEY NOT TELL TRUMP ABOUT 00:48.300 --> 00:50.330 THE SEARCH WARRANT. 00:50.365 --> 00:52.768 TWITTERS DELAY IN COMPLYING 00:52.779 --> 00:54.638 WITH THE WARRANT LED THE JUDGE 00:54.672 --> 00:59.817 TO HOLD IT IN CONTEMPT AND HIT IT WITH A $350,000 CRIME. 00:59.828 --> 01:02.216 IT WITH A $350,000 CRIME. 01:02.227 --> 01:07.014 LISA RUBIN JOINS ME NOW. 01:07.025 --> 01:10.100 WE GOT INDICATIONS OF SOME OF 01:10.135 --> 01:12.276 THE CONTOURS OF THIS AND TODAY 01:12.287 --> 01:13.719 WE GOT A BUNCH MORE THAT REALLY 01:13.730 --> 01:14.775 SHOW WHAT WENT DOWN. 01:14.786 --> 01:16.386 WHAT DID WE GET ACCESS TO TODAY, 01:16.421 --> 01:18.647 AND WHAT DOESN’T SHOW? 01:18.658 --> 01:21.500 >> YOU CAN ACCESS TO A NUMBER 01:21.535 --> 01:22.974 OF GRANT TRANSCRIPTS WHERE THE 01:22.975 --> 01:24.092 GOVERNMENT AND TWITTER WAS 01:24.094 --> 01:25.039 OUTSIDE COUNSEL ARE SWEARING 01:25.050 --> 01:27.746 OFF IN FRONT OF ONE OF MAYBE 01:27.757 --> 01:28.984 THE TOUGHEST JUDGES AND THE 01:28.995 --> 01:30.904 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA’S FEDERAL 01:30.938 --> 01:32.436 COURT, JUDGE BERYL HIGHLY 01:32.438 --> 01:34.030 HOWELL, WHO I SHOULD NOT HAD 01:34.031 --> 01:36.135 INTIMATE FAMILIARITY WITH WHAT 01:36.146 --> 01:37.917 THE OFFICERS HAVE DONE IN THE 01:37.952 --> 01:38.373 PAST. 01:38.384 --> 01:38.736 WHY? 01:38.747 --> 01:40.997 BECAUSE SHE WAS CHIEF THE JUDGE 01:41.032 --> 01:43.052 OF THE DISTRICT AND PRESIDED 01:43.063 --> 01:44.758 OVERALL GRANARY AND 01:44.759 --> 01:46.603 COMMUNICATION DESERTS DISPUTES 01:46.614 --> 01:47.771 DURING THE MUELLER 01:47.805 --> 01:49.787 INVESTIGATION AND USES THAT 01:49.798 --> 01:50.826 KNOWLEDGE TO INTERROGATE 01:50.827 --> 01:51.815 TWITTER’S COUNCIL SAYING ARE 01:51.849 --> 01:53.803 YOU NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT 01:53.814 --> 01:55.702 THE MUELLER TEAM, FOR EXAMPLE, 01:55.713 --> 01:58.518 GOT OVER 230 ORDERS JUST LIKE 01:58.552 --> 01:59.818 THIS TO ACCESS STORED 01:59.829 --> 02:00.195 COMMUNICATION? 02:00.206 --> 02:02.008 DO YOU THINK IN ANY OF THOSE 02:02.009 --> 02:02.998 INSTANCES THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S 02:03.009 --> 02:04.220 TEAM WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE 02:04.221 --> 02:05.815 AND SAID HEY, WE’RE GONNA GIVE 02:05.826 --> 02:07.342 YOU A HEADS UP, WE’RE LOOKING 02:07.376 --> 02:07.995 FOR CONFIDENTIAL 02:08.006 --> 02:08.403 COMMUNICATIONS. 02:08.437 --> 02:09.877 NO, THAT’S NOT HOW IT WENT 02:09.878 --> 02:10.272 DOWN. 02:10.283 --> 02:12.969 SO SHE WAS IN A GOOD POSITION 02:12.980 --> 02:14.455 TO PUT THE SCREWS TO HIS 02:14.466 --> 02:15.288 TWITTER’S COUNCIL ABOUT 02:15.289 --> 02:17.158 RESISTANCE TO COMPLYING WITH 02:17.169 --> 02:19.101 HER ORDER. 02:19.112 --> 02:23.032 >> I SHOULD SAY A SOCIAL MEDIA 02:23.033 --> 02:25.759 COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO FIGHT 02:25.770 --> 02:27.396 GOVERNMENT ATTEMPTS TO GRAB 02:27.430 --> 02:29.501 USERS ACCOUNTS AND DATA IS A 02:29.512 --> 02:31.355 GOOD THING, I THINK, IN MOST 02:31.366 --> 02:31.702 INSTANCES. 02:31.713 --> 02:33.283 YOU WANT THEM TO BE RESISTANT 02:33.294 --> 02:34.992 TO THAT IDEA. 02:35.026 --> 02:38.227 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HOWL 02:38.228 --> 02:40.016 POINTS OUT IS THAT TWITTER HAS 02:40.017 --> 02:41.322 BEEN HANDING STUFF OUT RIGHT 02:41.333 --> 02:42.132 AND LEFT. 02:42.166 --> 02:44.929 IT IS BEEN HANDING OUT STUFF TO 02:44.940 --> 02:46.046 REALLY GNARLY AUTHORITARIAN 02:46.057 --> 02:47.593 GOVERNMENTS AND REGIMES WERE 02:47.604 --> 02:50.241 HANDING IT OVER REALLY SPELLS 02:50.275 --> 02:50.624 DOOM. 02:50.635 --> 02:52.588 HOWELL SEEMS POINTED. 02:52.589 --> 02:54.683 WHAT IS YOUR DEAL HERE WITH 02:54.694 --> 02:55.639 DONALD TRUMP? 02:55.650 --> 02:57.450 >> SHE BASICALLY ACCUSES THEM 02:57.461 --> 02:59.734 OF TRYING TO COMPENSATE FOR THE 02:59.735 --> 03:01.485 FACT THAT UNDER PRIOR OWNERSHIP 03:01.496 --> 03:02.954 DONALD TRUMP WAS KICKED OFF OF 03:02.956 --> 03:04.700 TWITTER AND THAT ELON MUSK NOW 03:04.711 --> 03:06.095 MAY WANT TO MAKE NICE WITH 03:06.096 --> 03:07.361 DONALD TRUMP BY GIVING HIM A 03:07.363 --> 03:08.860 HEADS UP ABOUT SOMETHING THAT 03:08.871 --> 03:09.832 IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO NOTIFY 03:09.866 --> 03:10.776 HIM ABOUT. 03:10.787 --> 03:13.727 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY SHE 03:13.761 --> 03:14.922 SUCCEEDS AND THE GOVERNMENT 03:14.933 --> 03:17.377 SUCCEEDS IN GETTING TWITTER TO 03:17.378 --> 03:19.599 COMPLY, NOT ONLY BECAUSE SHE 03:19.610 --> 03:21.422 IMPOSES A 350,000 DOLLAR 03:21.433 --> 03:23.796 SANCTION ON THEM, BUT ALSO 03:23.798 --> 03:25.283 BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT 03:25.294 --> 03:26.761 DEMONSTRATES TO HER ITS URGENCY. 03:26.796 --> 03:29.142 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LEAPT 03:29.144 --> 03:31.076 OFF THE PAGE TO ME IS TOM 03:31.087 --> 03:32.705 WYNDHAM, ONE OF THE PROSECUTOR 03:32.706 --> 03:34.658 FOR THE GOVERNMENT SAYING WE 03:34.669 --> 03:35.834 NEED THIS INFORMATION 13 DAYS 03:35.869 --> 03:36.625 AGO. 03:36.636 --> 03:38.682 WE’RE RUNNING UP AGAINST A 03:38.717 --> 03:39.157 CLOCK. 03:39.168 --> 03:40.816 YOU CAN FEEL THE TIMELINESS OF 03:40.827 --> 03:42.175 WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO AND 03:42.176 --> 03:43.010 THE RUSH IN THEIR 03:43.021 --> 03:43.687 INVESTIGATION. 03:43.698 --> 03:46.590 IT’S NOT TO SAY IT’S OVERLY 03:46.625 --> 03:48.574 RUSHED OR IMPETUOUS, BUT YOU 03:48.585 --> 03:50.505 FEEL SOME URGENCY FROM THE 03:50.540 --> 03:51.828 GOVERNMENT IN SAYING WE NEED 03:51.829 --> 03:53.199 TWITTER TO COMPLY AND WE NEEDED 03:53.210 --> 03:54.557 THEM TO COMPLY YESTERDAY. 03:54.558 --> 03:57.369 >> I WANT TO READ FROM THE 03:57.403 --> 03:59.067 SEARCH WARRANT FOR A TRUMP’S TO 03:59.078 --> 04:00.338 TWITTER ACCOUNT IN THE ITEM 04:00.339 --> 04:01.964 AND’S THAT WERE SOUGHT. 04:01.999 --> 04:03.317 I’LL DIRECT MESSAGES, SENT, 04:03.318 --> 04:04.990 RECEIVED, DISTORTED REFORM. 04:05.001 --> 04:07.695 ALL DEVICES USED TO LOG INTO 04:07.729 --> 04:09.472 REAL DONALD TRUMP, IP ADDRESSES 04:09.473 --> 04:12.024 USED FOR LOG INTO ACCOUNT FROM 04:12.035 --> 04:13.965 OCTOBER 2020, JANUARY 2021, 04:14.000 --> 04:16.135 TWEETS CREATED, DRAFTED, 04:16.136 --> 04:17.757 FAVORITE IN, INCLUDING ANY 04:17.758 --> 04:18.225 DELETED. 04:18.226 --> 04:20.894 ARE WE TROUBLED LEAVE, AND I 04:20.905 --> 04:22.043 BELIEVE THAT TRUMP’S LAWYERS, 04:22.078 --> 04:23.934 AT ONE POINT, SAY THIS, OR 04:23.945 --> 04:25.853 MAYBE TWITTER’S LAWYER, THAT 04:25.854 --> 04:27.064 THERE ARE PERSONAL 04:27.065 --> 04:28.404 COMMUNICATIONS, DMS, THE 04:28.415 --> 04:29.730 SPECIAL COUNSEL DID GET ACCESS 04:29.741 --> 04:30.100 TO. 04:30.101 --> 04:31.985 >> YEAH, AND IT COMES UP IN THE 04:31.986 --> 04:33.979 COURSE OF THIS FIGHT ABOUT 04:33.980 --> 04:35.008 EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE THAT 04:35.019 --> 04:36.681 TWITTER IS, FOR REASONS 04:36.716 --> 04:38.448 UNBEKNOWNST TO THE GOVERNMENT 04:38.449 --> 04:40.249 AND BERYL HOWELL, ARE NOT A 04:40.250 --> 04:41.718 GOVERNMENT OFFICE, AND UNLESS 04:41.729 --> 04:43.817 THEY’RE SAYING HE MIGHT HAVE 04:43.818 --> 04:45.143 EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE OVER SOME 04:45.154 --> 04:46.536 OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS AND 04:46.547 --> 04:47.989 HOWELL SAYS TO THEM, WHAT WOULD 04:47.990 --> 04:49.074 CAUSE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT? 04:49.109 --> 04:51.060 AND THEY SAY WELL THEY’RE SOME 04:51.071 --> 04:51.995 VOLUME OF CONFIDENTIAL 04:52.006 --> 04:52.990 COMMUNICATIONS HERE, AND SHE 04:53.025 --> 04:54.477 SAYS HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT 04:54.488 --> 04:55.396 THEY’RE CONFIDENTIAL? 04:55.430 --> 04:57.391 AND THAT’S WHEN THEY REVEAL, 04:57.392 --> 04:58.931 WELL, WE LOOKED IN THE DMS 04:58.933 --> 05:00.497 FOLDER TO SEE IF THERE WAS 05:00.508 --> 05:01.323 ANYTHING THERE. 05:01.334 --> 05:03.573 THE FOLDER IS EMPTY, AND YOU 05:03.574 --> 05:05.398 CAN PRESUME THERE ARE NO 05:05.409 --> 05:06.289 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS. 05:06.290 --> 05:07.841 BUT IN ACTUALITY THERE IS SOME 05:07.852 --> 05:08.919 VOLUME THERE. 05:08.930 --> 05:11.669 CHRIS, WE DON’T KNOW, ARE THOSE 05:11.703 --> 05:13.790 DMS THAT TRUMP RECEIVED? 05:13.791 --> 05:16.733 ARE THOSE THAT TRUMP SAID TO ME? 05:16.744 --> 05:18.036 THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT, 05:18.037 --> 05:18.779 PARTICULARLY GIVEN WHAT 05:18.780 --> 05:19.834 SETTINGS YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR 05:19.835 --> 05:20.229 ACCOUNT. 05:20.240 --> 05:22.530 ANY OLD YAHOO OUT THERE IN THE 05:22.541 --> 05:23.755 TRAVERSE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEND 05:23.789 --> 05:24.777 YOU A DIRECT MESSAGE. 05:24.788 --> 05:27.305 BUT IF THEY ARE ONES THAT WERE 05:27.340 --> 05:29.541 SENT AND IF WE ALSO LEARN ABOUT 05:29.552 --> 05:31.775 WHO HAD ACCESS TO THIS ACCOUNT, 05:31.776 --> 05:33.513 WHICH DEVICES AND IP ADDRESSES 05:33.524 --> 05:35.652 WERE INVOLVED, WE MIGHT LEARN A 05:35.653 --> 05:37.096 LOT MORE ULTIMATELY ABOUT HOW 05:37.130 --> 05:38.958 TRUMP’S TWITTER ACCOUNT WAS 05:38.969 --> 05:40.752 USED BY WHOM AND WHETHER IT WAS 05:40.753 --> 05:42.909 SORT OF USED IN THE WAY THAT 05:42.944 --> 05:45.885 PAUL MANAFORT USED HIS DRAFT 05:45.886 --> 05:47.673 EMAIL FOR FOLDER, AS A STAGING 05:47.674 --> 05:48.810 GROUND FOR WHAT HE ULTIMATELY 05:48.812 --> 05:49.152 BECAME HIS COMMUNICATIONS.