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US, AND STAFF WRITER AT THE "THE

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NEW YORKER," SUSAN GLASSER JOINS

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US.

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SEVERAL PROMINENT REPUBLICANS IN

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GEORGIA ARE RAILING AGAINST

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DONALD TRUMP’S CONTINUED

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ELECTION LIES AND PROMISES TO

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REVEAL INFORMATION DETAILING

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FRAUD IN THE 2020 VOTE.

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GEORGIA GOVERNOR BRIAN KEMP

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REPLIED TO A TRUMP SOCIAL MEDIA

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POST YESTERDAY WRITING IN PART

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THIS, FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS

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NOW, ANYONE WITH EVIDENCE OF

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FRAUD HAS FAILED TO COME

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FORWARD, UNDER OATH, AND PROVE

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ANYTHING IN A COURT OF LAW.

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OUR ELECTIONS IN GEORGIA ARE

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SECURE, ACCESSIBLE, AND FAIR AND

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WILL CONTINUE TO BE AS LONG AS I

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AM GOVERNOR.

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GEORGIA’S SECRETARY OF STATE,

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BRAD RAFFENSPERGER ALSO PUT OUT

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A STATEMENT WRITING, THE MOST

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BASIC PRINCIPLES OF A STRONG

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DEMOCRACY ARE ACCOUNTABILITY AND

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RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND

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RULE OF LAW.

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YOU EITHER HAVE IT, OR YOU

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DON’T.

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I APPRECIATE THESE PRINCIPLES

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BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, DONALD

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TRUMP AND RIGHT WING MEDIA AND

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ANYBODY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE

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IN LEADERSHIP, MANY OF THEM, ARE

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STILL BACKING HIS LIES.

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REFUSING TO -- OR REFUSING TO

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STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT.

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>> SOME OF THEM ARE.

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I TALKED ABOUT "NEW YORK POST"

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OP-ED THIS MORNING, DAN

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McLAUGHLIN WHO TRIED TO WRITE IT

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IN A WAY THAT "THE NEW YORK

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POST" READERS WOULD APPRECIATE

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THE MOST.

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THERE’S A LOT OF

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ANTI-ANTI-TRUMPISM IN THERE.

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BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, HE’S

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DONE THIS TO HIMSELF.

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DON’T BECOME SUCKERS AND FOLLOW

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THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE TRYING TO

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PROP UP TRUMP CANDIDATES.

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YOU DID IT IN 2022, AND YOU LOST

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EVERY SINGLE RACE BY ELECTION

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DENIERS, SO THEY’RE STARTING TO

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GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE, AND,

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YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS ASK, WELL,

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WHERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS THAT

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WILL STAND UP?

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TIM SCOTT EMBARRASSED HIMSELF

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EARLIER TODAY DESPITE THE FACT

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THAT I THINK HE’S A VERY

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TALENTED CANDIDATE AND COULD BE

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A REAL CONTENDER, BUT STILL IS

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GOING TO WAR AGAINST THE RULE OF

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LAW IN AMERICA, WHICH IS REALLY

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SAD AND DEPRESSING, ESPECIALLY

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SINCE HE’S WILLING TO TRASH THE

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RULE OF LAW AND TRASH THE

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JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND TRASH THE

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FBI, ALL FOR A FAILED REALITY TV

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HOST WHO STOLE NUCLEAR SECRETS

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AND TRIED TO STEAL AN ELECTION

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AND TIM KNOWS BECAUSE TIM WAS

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THERE.

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BUT THAT SAID, YESTERDAY WE ALSO

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HAD SOMETHING QUITE

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EXTRAORDINARY, CHRIS MATTHEWS.

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WE HAD THE GOVERNOR, THE GEORGIA

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GOVERNOR, A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR

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WHO CAME OUT REALLY QUICKLY AND

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REALLY DRAMATICALLY IN A WAY HE

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DIDN’T HAVE TO DO, AND MAY I

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ADD, HE DID IT IN A WAY THAT

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MOST POLITICIANS WOULDN’T HAVE

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DONE IT, CONSIDERING THE TIMING,

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AND I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THE

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NUMBERS OF THIS GUY AND WHAT

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REPUBLICANS THINK OF HIM IN HIS

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OWN STATE.

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BRIAN KEMP HAD A SENATOR RUNNING

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AGAINST HIM, DAVID PERDUE.

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DAVID PERDUE WAS THE

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REPUBLICAN -- WAS THE REPUBLICAN

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CANDIDATE WHO WAS TRUMP’S CRONY.

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BRIAN KEMP SAYING THE SAME

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THINGS THEN IN THAT CAMPAIGN

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THAT HE IS SAYING NOW GETS 73%

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OF THE REPUBLICAN VOTE AND THE

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REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN 2022.

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STANDING UP TO DONALD TRUMP’S

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ELECTION LIES.

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AND SO AS WE LOOK, CHRIS, AT A

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JURY, IT MAY NOT JUST BE

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DEMOCRATS AS GREG BLUESTEIN WITH

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"THE ATLANTA

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JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION" THAT HAVE

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A PROBLEM WITH DONALD TRUMP

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TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION.

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A LOT OF REPUBLICANS DO IN THE

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STATE OF GEORGIA, AS WELL.

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>> YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR KEMP IS

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REALLY PROVIDING GREAT EVIDENCE

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FOR THIS TRIAL BECAUSE HE’S

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MAKING IT CLEAR THERE WAS NO

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QUESTION ABOUT THE RESULTS IN

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GEORGIA, AND THE FACT, THIS IS

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NOT THE DEEP STATE.

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ATLANTA IS NOT THE DEEP STATE.

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IT’S NOT PART OF WASHINGTON,

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D.C. AND RAFFENSPERGER, I THINK

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THAT QUOTE YOU JUST SHOWED A

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MOMENT AGO MADE IT VERY CLEAR

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THERE WAS ONLY ONE DEFENDANT IN

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THE CASE IN FULTON COUNTY.

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OF THOSE 19 CO-DEFENDANTS, HE’S

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THE ONLY ONE THAT TOOK THE

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PRESIDENTIAL OATH TO PRESERVE,

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PROTECT AND DEFEND THE UNITED

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STATES CONSTITUTION.

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THAT IS DONALD TRUMP.

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ONLY ONE PERSON TOOK THAT OATH,

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AND THE OTHER THING IS

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RAFFENSPERGER’S WONDERFUL PUT IT

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YOU EITHER RESPECT THE

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CONSTITUTION OR YOU DON’T

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RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION.

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CLEARLY TRUMP DOESN’T.

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AND NOW YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR

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AND YOU HAVE THE SECRETARY OF

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STATE MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT

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GEORGIA VOTED FOR JOE BIDEN,

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YES, THEY DID, JUST LIKE ARIZONA

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AND JUST LIKE WISCONSIN, THE

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STATES DECIDED THE ELECTION.

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IT’S GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR FOR

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THAT JURY THAT SITS IN

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WASHINGTON WHO WON THE ELECTION.

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THE ONLY ONE DISAGREEING WITH BE

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DONALD TRUMP.

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>> YEAH, DONALD TRUMP, AND, YOU

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KNOW, DAVID FRENCH, GEORGIA

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REPUBLICANS HAVE SEEN THE CHAOS

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THAT DONALD TRUMP’S LIES HAVE

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SOWN.

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IT’S DESTROYED ONE SENATE

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CANDIDATE AFTER ANOTHER BUT FOR

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DONALD TRUMP, MITCH McCONNELL

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WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MAJORITY

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LEADER AFTER THE 2020 ELECTIONS,

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BUT FOR DONALD TRUMP IN GEORGIA,

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MITCH McCONNELL WOULD HAVE BEEN

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THE MOST LIKELY THE SAME IN

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2022.

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NOBODY -- HE’S DONE MORE DAMAGE

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TO THE GEORGIA REPUBLICAN PARTY

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THAN DONALD TRUMP.

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AS JONATHAN LEMIRE HAS REPORTED,

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THE WHITE HOUSE KNOWS JOE BIDEN

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WOULD NEVER WIN IN THE STATE OF

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GEORGIA IN 2024 BUT FOR ONE

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PERSON, AND THAT ONE PERSON IS

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THE PERSON BEING TRIED IN THE

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STATE OF GEORGIA PROBABLY IN THE

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NEXT SIX TO NINE MONTHS.

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YOU’RE NOT HEARING, DAVID?

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>> OH, I’M VERY SORRY.

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YOU BLANKED OUT FOR A SECOND.

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YEAH, LOOK, GEORGIA HAS SUFFERED

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THE CONSEQUENCES OF TRUMP’S

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CONDUCT MORE THAN -- GEORGIA

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REPUBLICAN PARTY MORE THAN

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ANYBODY ELSE.

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I MEAN, THERE’S NO QUESTION, BUT

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HERE’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT, EVEN

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BEFORE, EVEN BEFORE GEORGIA

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REPUBLICANS STARTED TO SUFFER

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THOSE CONSEQUENCES WITH THOSE

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LOST SENATE RACES, ALREADY BRAD

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RAFFENSPERGER AND BRIAN KEMP

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UNLIKE SO MANY OTHER REPUBLICANS

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HAD SOME STEROIDS IN THEIR

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WHEATIES, THEY WERE STANDING UP

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TO DONALD TRUMP WHEN SO MANY

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OTHER REPUBLICANS HADN’T.

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THEY STOOD UP EARLY.

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THEY DID NOT YIELD IN ANY WAY,

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SHAPE OR FORM.

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BRAD RAFFENSPERGER IN PARTICULAR

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WAS OUTSPOKEN, AND, JOE, YOU POP

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THOSE NUMBERS UP, AND THE

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NUMBERS SHOW THAT BOTH OF THEM

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WON THEIR RACES AND THEY WON

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AGAINST TRUMP APPOINTED PRIMARY

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CHALLENGERS BEFORE THEY WON

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THEIR GENERAL ELECTIONS IN A

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ROUT SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO

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STOOD UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND

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THEIR POLITICAL CAREERS

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CONTINUED AND TO THIS DAY, BRIAN

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KEMP IS A POPULAR GEORGIA

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REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, AND SO THIS

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IDEA THAT YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY

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STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND

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HAVE YOUR POLITICAL CAREER

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SURVIVE HAS BEEN DISPROVEN BY

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THESE INDIVIDUALS AND, IN FACT,

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THE REALITY IS IF YOU CAPITULATE

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TO DONALD TRUMP AND YOU FALL

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UNDER THE BIG LIE AGAIN, THEN

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YOUR POLITICAL CAREER IS GOING

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TO SUFFER AS THE 2022 MIDTERM

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ELECTIONS DEMONSTRATED.

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>> YOU KNOW, DAVID, I TRIED TIME

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AND AGAIN TO EXPLAIN TO

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REPUBLICANS IN 2016 THAT DONALD

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TRUMP WAS A BULLY AND THAT IF

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THEY SHOWED WEAKNESS, HE WOULD

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RUN THEM OVER AND IF THEY STOOD

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UP TO HIM AND THEY WERE TOUGH,

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HE ACTUALLY WOULD PROBABLY BACK

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OFF AND TRY TO STRIKE A DEAL

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WITH THEM WHERE THEY COULD WORK

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TOGETHER.

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I HAD THE TALK WITH PAUL RYAN

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SAYING YOU HAVE TO STAND UP TO

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THE GUY AND PAUL WAS LIKE, WELL,

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I JUST WANT TO PASS MY TAX BILL

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AND, YOU KNOW, IF I JUST STAY

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OUT OF THE WAY, NO, THAT

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NEVER -- YOU CANNOT STAY OUT OF

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HIS WAY AND SO I’VE ALWAYS

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VIEWED IT A TRAGEDY AND I’LL

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JUST SAY THIS.

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I WENT AFTER -- CHRIS MATTHEWS

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KNOWS, I WOULD GO ON CHRIS

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MATTHEWS’ SHOW AND IF A DEMOCRAT

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DID SOMETHING, I WOULD GO AFTER

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A DEMOCRAT HARD.

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IF A REPUBLICAN DID SOMETHING, I

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WOULD GO AFTER THE REPUBLICANS

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HARD.

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WHEN NEWT GINGRICH, I DIDN’T

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THINK, WAS WORKING HARD ENOUGH

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TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, AND

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WORKING HARD ENOUGH TO BE A

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SMALL GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVE,

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WE RAN HIM OUT OF TOWN AND YOU

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KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, IN A VERY,

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VERY SAFE REPUBLICAN DISTRICT, I

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BECAME MORE POPULAR.

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THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE

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TRAGEDY, I THOUGHT, THAT NOBODY

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DID WHAT KEMP AND RAFFENSPERGER

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DID UNTIL 2020.

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THAT YOU COULD GO AFTER DONALD

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TRUMP, YOU COULD BE STRONG.

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YOU COULD DO IT IN YOUR DISTRICT

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AND YOUR VOTERS WOULD GO ALONG

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WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY WERE YOUR

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VOTERS FIRST.

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BUT NO OTHER REPUBLICANS EVER

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TRIED THAT OTHER THAN KEMP AND

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RAFFENSPERGER.

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>> YEAH, AND NOT ONLY DID THEY

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NOT TRY IT, THOSE REPUBLICANS

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WHO DID STAND UP, MANY OF THEM

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NOT ALL OF THEM WERE DOING IT

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WHEN THEY WERE LAME DUCKS, THEY

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WERE ON THEIR WAY OUT AND THEY

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DID IT IN ONES AND TWOS AND SO

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THEY COULD BE ISOLATED, THEY

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COULD BE CUT OFF, THEY COULD BE

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CAST OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN

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PARTY, BUT WHEN KEMP AND

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RAFFENSPERGER DID IT, THEY DID

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IT TOGETHER.

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THEY WERE UNITED, AND THEN THEY

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STOOD -- THEY KEPT STANDING UP

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TO TRUMP.

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THEY KEPT SHOWING INTEGRITY IN

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THIS MOMENT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN

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POLITICALLY REWARDED FOR IT IN A

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TOUGH STATE FOR REPUBLICANS OVER

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THE LAST FEW YEARS AND IT’S BEEN

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A TOUCH STATE FOR REPUBLICANS

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BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP.

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AND, LOOK, THERE ARE OTHER STATE

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OFFICIALS WHO HAVE STOOD UP TO

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TRUMP AND REMAINED POPULAR, AS

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WELL.

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I MEAN, GOVERNOR DUCEY OF

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ARIZONA STOOD UP TO TRUMP AND HE

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REMAINED POPULAR, THOUGH, OF

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COURSE, NOT WITH THE CORE BASE

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OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY

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WHICH HAS GONE NUTS, CENSURED

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HIM, BUT THERE ARE REPUBLICANS

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WHO HAVE STOOD UP TO TRUMP WHO

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HAVE REMAINED POPULAR AND I DO

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THINK IT IS VERY INTERESTING

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WE’VE SEEN THIS PATTERN WHERE

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CHRIS CHRISTIE IS NOW RIGHT UP

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THERE WITH RON DeSANTIS, NOW I

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SAY UP THERE, THEY’RE STILL NOT

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VERY HIGH IN THE POLLS BUT HE’S

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THERE WITH RON DeSANTIS IN NEW

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HAMPSHIRE STANDING UP AND TAKING

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ON TRUMP DIRECTLY BECAUSE IF

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YOU’RE NOT TAKING ON TRUMP, IF

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YOU’RE NOT PRESENTING THE CASE

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FOR THE ALTERNATIVE TO TRUMP

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AGGRESSIVELY WHY WOULD

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REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS WANT

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TO VOTE FOR YOU ESPECIALLY SINCE

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THE PEOPLE ARE VOTING IN

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REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES RIGHT NOW

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ARE OVERWHELMINGLY PART OF THAT

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MAGA BASE, WHAT IS IT THAT IS

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GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY FROM

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TRUMP OTHER THAN TAKING HIM ON?

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JUST BEING QUIET AND PASSIVE IN

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THE FACE OF ALL THESE