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YOU WENT LUNGING FOR THE

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CURVEBALL.

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>> MAYBE THE TEAM WASN’T

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SUPPORTIVE.

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>> MAYBE SO.

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>>> OUR TOP STORY THIS HOUR,

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THERE’S NEW DETAILS FROM THE

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CHARGES DONALD TRUMP FACES IN

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GEORGIA AND THE POTENTIAL TERMS

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OF HIS SURRENDER.

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THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS UNTIL

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NEXT FRIDAY AT NOON TO TURN

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HIMSELF IN.

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THIS MORNING, THE SECRET SERVICE

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TELLS NBC NEWS THAT’S EXPECTED

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TO HAPPEN SOMETIME NEXT WEEK,

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THOUGH PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN

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FINALIZED.

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NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT BLAYNE

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ALEXANDER HAS THE LATEST.

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>> Reporter: WITH THE COUNTDOWN

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OFFICIALLY ON FOR FORMER

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PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS 18

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CO-DEFENDANTS TO SURRENDER IN

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GEORGIA, THIS MORNING WE’RE

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GETTING NEW DETAILS OF HOW THAT

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PROCESS COULD PLAY OUT.

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THE FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF’S

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OFFICE SAYS BASED ON GUIDANCE

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FROM THE D.A.’S OFFICE AND

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PRESIDING JUDGE IT’S EXPECTED

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ALL 19 DEFENDANTS WILL BE BOOKED

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AT THE FULTON COUNTY JAIL.

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A PROCESS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY

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INCLUDE FINGERPRINTS AND

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MUGSHOTS, THOUGH IT’S NOT CLEAR

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WHETHER THAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE.

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>> THE INDICTMENT BRINGS FELONY

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CHARGES AGAINST DONALD JOHN

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TRUMP.

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>> Reporter: THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT IS FACING 13 CHARGES

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IN A SPRAWLING INDICTMENT

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ALLEGING HE AND HIS ALLIES

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UNLAWFULLY CONSPIRED IN AN

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ILLEGAL ENTERPRISE TO OVERTURN

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BIDEN’S WIN IN GEORGIA.

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IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, MR.

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TRUMP SAID HE WOULD HOLD A NEWS

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CONFERENCEAN

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ER

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ANNER AN IRREPUTABLE REPORT TO

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SHOW GEORGIA’S ELECTION FRAUD.

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IN A POST OF HIS OWN, KEMP

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WRITES THE 2020 ELECTION IN

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GEORGIA WAS NOT STOLEN.

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OUR ELECTIONS IN GEORGIA ARE

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SECURE, ACCESSIBLE AND FAIR.

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AMONG THE OTHERS NAMED IN THE

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41-COUNT INDICTMENT, TRUMP’S

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FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK

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MEADOWS SMED

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MEADOWS WHO, ON TUESDAY, PUSHED

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TO HAVE HIS CASE MOVED TO

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FEDERAL COURT.

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ALSO INDICTED IS RUDY GIULIANI.

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>> THIS IS A RIDICULOUS

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APPLICATION OF THE RACKETEERING

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STATUTE.

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PROBABLY NO ONE KNOWS IT BETTER

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THAN I DID.

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>> BLAYNE ALEXANDER WITH THAT

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REPORT.

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>>> JOINING US NOW IS LISA

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RUBIN.

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NBC NEWS ANALYST, ANDREW

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WEISSMANN, AND PROFESSOR OF

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HISTORY AT TULANE UNIVERSITY,

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THE GREAT WALTER ISAACSON.

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>> TRY TO PUT THIS INTO

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PERSPECTIVE FOR US, WALTER,

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HISTORICALLY.

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FOUR INDICTMENTS OVER THE PAST

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COUPLE OF MONTHS.

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NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS SO MANY

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INDICTMENTS, THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT SO MANY INDICTMENTS

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THAT JUST ONE OR TWO OUT OF ALL

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OF THE 90 OR SO BASICALLY WOULD

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AMOUNT TO A LIFE SENTENCE.

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WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH

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AS A COUNTRY OVER THE NEXT YEAR

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OR TWO BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP?

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>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS TOTALLY

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UNPRECEDENTED.

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THERE’S NEVER BEEN AN INDICTED

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FORMER PRESIDENT, AND I THINK

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WHAT’S MORE IMPORTANT

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HISTORICALLY, THIS IS REALLY A

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TEST ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

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IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT’S UNDERLYING

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THE NARRATIVE, THERE’S A LARGE

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GROUP OF PEOPLE, 20%, 30%,

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INCLUDING TRUMP, WHO BELIEVE

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THAT DEMOCRACY IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD PUT ON A PEDESTAL

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THAT WE SHOULD PUT ON A PEDESTAL

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AND ALWAYS TRY TO PRESERVE.

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THAT IT’S MORE IMPORTANT TO

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FIGURE OUT HOW TO RETAIN POWER

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OR DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.

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I THINK THERE’S BEEN A REDUCTION

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IN THE SENSE THAT DEMOCRACY IS

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THE CORE OF WHAT AMERICA’S ALL

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ABOUT.

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ONE INTERESTING THING TO ME ON

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THIS GEORGIA CASE IS THAT

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GEORGIA AND THE SOUTH TO SOME

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EXTENT MAY LEAD US OUT OF THIS A

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BIT.

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I’M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT FANI

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WILLIS, I THINK GOVERNOR KEMP,

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MANY OTHER REPUBLICANS IN

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GEORGIA ARE THE ONES WHO SAY,

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NO, WE SUPPORT DEMOCRACY.

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>> AMAZING.

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>> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS
JUST GROWN, THIS YEARNING FOR A

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JUST GROWN, THIS YEARNING FOR A

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STRONG MAN,MAN, IT SEEMS TO ME

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THROUGH THE YEARS WE’VE HAD

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POLITICAL PHILOSOPHERS SAY ABOUT

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A THIRD OF THE PUBLIC -- TEN

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YEARS OR SO, PRE-TRUMP -- ABOUT

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A THIRD OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE

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INCLINED TO A STRONG TYPE

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LEADER, NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT

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DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND NORMS.

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I’M WONDERING IS IT TRUMP THAT

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HAS FED SOMETHING THAT WAS

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ALREADY PRE-EXISTING IN A THIRD

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OF AMERICANS OR IS HE THE CAUSE

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ITSELF?

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>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS

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INTERESTING IS THAT THIS IS

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SOMEWHAT OF A GLOBAL PHENOMENON,

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THE YEARNING FOR THE STRONG MAN,

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THE TURNING AWAY OF THE

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MESSINESS OF DEMOCRACY AS NOT

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BEING THE BEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM.

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YOU CAN SEE IT EVEN HAPPENING IN

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ISRAEL.

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YOU SEE IT HAPPENING IN HUNGARY

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AND VARIOUS OTHER PLACES.

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I’M HOPING THAT THIS COMBINATION

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OF POPULISM AND YEARNING FOR THE

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STRONG MAN, WHICH WE’VE SEEN

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GROW OVER THE PAST DECADE, TRUMP

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TAPPED INTO IT, MOST OF THE TIME

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THESE FEVERS BREAK.

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SOMETIMES THEY DON’T.

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WE HAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES IN THE

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20th CENTURY WHERE THE FEVER

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DIDN’T BREAK AND IT LED TO WARS.

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BUT WE -- I MEAN REPUBLICANS,

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DEMOCRATS, AMERICANS WHO TRULY

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BELIEVE IN AMERICA HAVE TO KEEP

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PUSHING THE NARRATIVE OF WHY

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DEMOCRACY IS SACRED.

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>> ANDREW WEISSMANN, WHAT’S YOUR

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TAKEAWAY TWO DAYS IN TO THIS

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GEORGIA INDICTMENT?

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>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE KEY

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REALLY IS GOING TO BE FOCUSING

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ON THE D.C. CASE, ON AUGUST 28th

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THE JUDGE IS GOING TO BE

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DECIDING ON THE TRIAL DATE.

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THAT’S REALLY THE WHOLE BALL OF

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WAX ON WHETHER THERE WILL BE A

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JANUARY 6th TRIAL BEFORE EITHER

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THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION OR THE

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GENERAL ELECTION.

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I THINK THERE’S PROBABLY NO WAY

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THAT THE GEORGIA CASE IS GOING

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TO HAPPEN I THINK BEFORE THE

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GENERAL ELECTION EVEN THOUGH

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FANI WILLIS HAS SAYS SHE WANTS A

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SPEEDY TRIAL.

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IT’S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE 19

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DEFENDANTS IN A SPRAWLING CASE

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THAT THAT WILL REALLY GO TO

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TRIAL GIVEN HER PRIOR CASES THAT

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WERE RICO CASES.

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THEY USUALLY TAKE SOME TIME.

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I’M FOCUSING ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN

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ON THE 28th WHEN THE JUDGE SAID

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SHE INTENDS TO ANNOUNCE THE
TRIAL DATE IN THAT CASE.

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TRIAL DATE IN THAT CASE.

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>> LET ME ASK YOU, ANDREW, ABOUT

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TIMING OF THAT CASE.

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LET’S SAY SHE SET THE TRIAL FOR

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MARCH OR APRIL.

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WOULD THAT BE AN EXPEDITED TRIAL

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SCHEDULE?

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IS THE GOVERNMENT MOVING THE

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TRUMP CASE FASTER THAN THEY

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WOULD TYPICALLY DO AGAINST

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NORMAL WHITE COLLAR CRIMINALS?

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>> THAT WOULD BE RELATIVELY FAST
FOR D.C. IN A CASE LIKE THIS.

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FOR D.C. IN A CASE LIKE THIS.

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YOU KNOW, I DID THE MANIFORT

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CASE IN D.C., THAT TOOK 11

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MONTHS, AND THAT WAS CONSIDERED

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RELATIVELY FAST.

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THERE’S TWO THINGS TO REMEMBER

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HERE, ONE, GIVEN THE TIME CLOCK

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THIS CASE, IF IT’S NOT BROUGHT

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BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION MAY

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NEVER HAPPEN, THAT’S SOMETHING

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THAT IS -- IT’S IN THE COUNTRY’S

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INTEREST, AND I THINK IT’S

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APPROPRIATE FOR THE JUDGE TO

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CONSIDER.

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THE CONSERVATIVE JURISTS, JUDGE

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LUDIG HAS SAID AND HAS BEEN

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SPEAKING OUT ABOUT HE THINKS

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IT’S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE DUE

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PROCESS CLAUSE AND THE DUE

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PROCESS RIGHTS OF DONALD TRUMP

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TO BRING THAT CASE TO TRIAL

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PRIOR TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

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AND THE JUDGE HAS SAID SHE WILL

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GIVE A SPEEDIER TRIAL IF SHE

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SEES THAT DONALD TRUMP IS

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CONTINUING TO MAKE PUBLIC

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INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS THAT

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COULD INFECT THE JURORS AND

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INTIMIDATE WITNESSES.

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SHE SAID THAT’S A FACTOR SHE

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WILL CONSIDER.

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CLEARLY, SINCE THE TIME OF THAT