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FBI OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG IS

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BACK WITH US.

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WE’VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR

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HUCK THIS MORNING.

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THE CLOCK IS NOW TICKING.

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ON THE TEN-DAY WINDOW THAT

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FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS

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18 CO-DEFENDANTS HAVE TO

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VOLUNTARILY TURN THEMSELVES IN.

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CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS?

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>> IT’S REALLY -- PETER BAKER

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ACTUALLY WROTE A GREAT ARTICLE

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TALKING ABOUT HOW WHAT ONCE WAS

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JUST UNTHINKABLE IS NOW

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BECOMING, WELL, TUESDAY.

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>> IT’S ACTUALLY WEDNESDAY THIS

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MORNING.

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>> PETER, I’M OLD ENOUGH.

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I DON’T THINK YOU ARE BUT I’M

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OLD ENOUGH AND SEVERAL MEME ON

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THE SHOW ARE OLD ENOUGH, WE

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REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE

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ON AUGUST THE 9th, 1974.

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I WAS DRIVING IN MY GRANDMOM’S

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DODGE DART INTO I THINK A STRIP

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MALL IN UPSTATE NEW YORK IN

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HORSE HEAD, NEW YORK AND IT CAME

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ON THE RADIO TALKING ABOUT

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RICHARD NIXON RESIGNING FROM THE

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WHITE HOUSE, IT WAS MASSIVE.

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I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HISTORY

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WILL RECORD THESE FOUR

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INDICTMENTS AS SPECTACULARLY OUT

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OF THE ORDINARY AND PERHAPS FOR

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BETTER OR WORSE TO BE MONUMENTAL

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EVENTS IN HISTORY, ESPECIALLY

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CONSTITUTIONAL HISTORY BUT

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YOU’RE RIGHT.

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WE’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STORM

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AND THESE SHOCKS JUST KEEP

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COMING, BUT LIKE TRUMP, SHOCKING

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BUT NOT SURPRISING.

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>> YEAH, NO, EXACTLY.

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THAT’S MY FIRST MEMORY TOO.

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MY FIRST POLITICAL MEMORY MY DAD

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HOLDING UP THE PAPER AND SAID

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GIANT BLOCK LETTERS, NIXON

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RESIGNS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT

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THAT MEANT FOR THE COUNTRY AND

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YOU’RE RIGHT.

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WE ARE IN A HISTORIC MOMENT NOW.

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WE OFTEN DON’T THINK ABOUT IT.

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WHEN WE ARE LIVING HISTORY, WE

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ARE LIVING HISTORY AND THIS HAS

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GREAT CONSEQUENCE FOR THE

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COUNTRY.

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WE DON’T KNOW WHERE IT’S GOING

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TO GO BUT YOU’RE RIGHT THERE IS

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A CERTAIN SURREAL QUALITY TO THE

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IDEA THAT, YEAH, ANOTHER WEEK,

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ANOTHER INDICTMENT, HERE WE GO

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AGAIN.

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IT’S SORT OF LOST SOME OF THE

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NOVELTY OR SHOCK VALUE.

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WE SHOULD BE SHOCKED.

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IT’S SHOCKING TO SEE A PRESIDENT

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CHARGED WITH A CRIME, CERTAINLY

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ASSUMING IF YOU THINK HE’S

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GUILTY, IT’S SHOCKING.

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IF YOU THINK HE’S BEING UNFAIRLY

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CHARGED THAT’S SHOCKING IN ITS

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OWN WAY, HERE WE HAVE 91 FELONY

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CHARGES, FOUR DIFFERENT

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JURISDICTION, FOUR DIFFERENT

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CASES AND FOUR TRIALS COMING UP

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IN THE NEXT YEAR, LET’S SAY,

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ASSUMING THE DATES GET SET,

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PLUS, BY THE WAY, LET’S NOT

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FORGET HE HAS A FEW OTHER CIVIL

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TRIALS COMING UP, AS WELL.

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THIS WILL BE A PROFESSIONAL

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DEFENDANT AT A TIME WHEN HE’S

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TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THE

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WHITE HOUSE.

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THERE IS NO ROAD MAP FOR THIS.

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NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO.

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>> NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO AND,

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YOU KNOW, IT’S INTERESTING,

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JONATHAN LEMIRE, I’M STARTING TO

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SEE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE

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STEADFASTLY DEFEND DONALD TRUMP

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ALL ALONG AND, OF COURSE, HAVE

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DONE THAT IF THEY’RE NOT

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PRO-TRUMP THEY’RE

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ANTI-ANTI-TRUMP BUT YOU’RE

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SEEING SOME COLUMNISTS IN "THE

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NEW YORK POST," SAYING, COME ON,

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THEY’LL GO THROUGH AND ATTACK

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PROSECUTORS, BUT SOMETHING LIKE

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DAN McLAUGHLIN WILL SAY, COME

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ON, COME ON, REPUBLICAN, DON’T

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FALL FOR THIS AGAIN.

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DEMOCRATS PUT UP LIKE 50

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REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES LAST YEAR

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THAT DENIED ELECTIONS, AND

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REPUBLICANS THAT WERE SUCKERS.

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THEY FELL FOR IT AND EVERY ONE

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OF THEM LOST IN ALL OF THE BIG

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RACES.

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DON’T DO IT AGAIN AND THEN AT

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THE END HE CONCEDES LIKE I’M

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SEEING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE

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CONCEDE, PROSECUTORS AREN’T

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PERFECT, BUT TRUMP BROUGHT THIS

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ON HIMSELF FOR THE MOST PART.

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THERE REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE

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THAT REALITY SINKING IN EVEN

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AMONG THE MOST STEADFAST HARDY

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ANTI-ANTI-TRUMPERS.

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IS THERE THAT DOES SEEM TO BE

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BREAKING THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

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THERE WAS A MOMENT ON FOX WHERE

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NEIL CAVUTO ASKED HIS PRO-TRUMP

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GUEST, REALLY, YOU THINK ALL OF

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THESE ARE -- ALL OF THESE CASES

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ARE BIASED, ALL OF THESE CASES

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ARE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED,

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REALLY?

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ALL OF THEM.

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IT DEFIES LOGIC.

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THERE IS SO MUCH AND DONALD

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TRUMP IS NOW STARING AT A 2024

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WHERE HE WILL BE HURDLING

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BETWEEN COURTROOMS AND AS MUCH

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AS HE WHIPPED UP THE CORE BASE,

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HIS BASE IS WITH HIM AND NOT

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GOING ANYWHERE AND BELIEVE

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EVERYTHING HE IS SAYING THAT

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OTHER POLLING SUGGESTS, THOUGH

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TRUMP IS WAY AHEAD OF THE FIELD

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BUT SOME OF THAT SUPPORT IS A

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LITTLE BIT SOFT AND THAT THERE’S

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A FEAR AMONG SOME REPUBLICANS

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THAT TRUMP, EVEN IF THEY LIKE

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TRUMP, EVEN IF THEY THINK HE’S

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BEING RAILROADED SOMEWHAT, THEY

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THINK IT’S TOO MUCH.

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THEY’RE FATIGUED BUT MORE THAN

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THAT THE BAGGAGE WILL PREVENT

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HIM FROM WINNING AGAIN AND

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THAT’S WHAT I HEAR FROM

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REPUBLICANS IN WASHINGTON,

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PRIVATELY THEY’RE CONCERNED

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HEADING FOR A REPEAT OF 2022

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WHERE IF HE’S AT THE TOP OF THE

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TICKET HE WILL BRING THE REST OF

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THE PARTY DOWN AND HURT THEM

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WITH SWING VOTERS AS THEY TRY TO

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WIN BACK THE SENATE.

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IF THEY TRY TO HOLD ON TO THE

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HOUSE PARTICULARLY IN SEATS THAT

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PRESIDENT BIDEN WON LAST TIME

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AROUND.

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THAT THEY THINK THIS WILL BE

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ANOTHER ELECTION WHERE TRUMP IS

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GOING TO BE A NET NEGATIVE FOR

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THE PARTY AND AS MUCH AS IT’S

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HELPING THE PRIMARIES RIGHT NOW,

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IT IS HARD TO MAKE THE CASE THAT

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THIS IS GOING -- THAT THOSE

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VOTERS WILL BREAK HIS WAY NEXT

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YEAR AS THE CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS

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CONTINUE TO PILE UP.

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>> AND AS THE WHITE HOUSE TELLS

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YOU AND AS YOU’VE REPORTED, THEY

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UNDERSTAND, THE WHITE HOUSE

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UNDERSTANDS THAT GEORGIA IS A

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SWING STATE EARLIER THAN THEY

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EVER EXPECTED FOR ONE REASON AND

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HIS NAME IS DONALD TRUMP AND YOU

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LOOK AT THESE INDICTMENTS AND

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ALSO LOOK AT GEORGIA, THERE IS A

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REPUBLICAN CIVIL WAR, POLITICAL

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CIVIL WAR GOING ON IN GEORGIA.

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YESTERDAY YOU HAD THE GOVERNOR

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OF GEORGIA IMMEDIATELY AFTER

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DONALD TRUMP SAID I’M GOING TO

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HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO SHOW

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HOW GEORGIA WAS RIGGED AND THE

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VOTING WAS RIGGED, IMMEDIATELY

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AFTERWARDS BRIAN KEMP TWEETED

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OUT THAT IT’S NOT TRUE, HE

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SAID --

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>> THE 2020 ELECTION IN GEORGIA

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WAS NOT STOLEN.

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FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS NOW,

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ANYONE WITH EVIDENCE OF FRAUD

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HAS FAILED TO COME FORWARD UNDER

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OATH AND PROVE ANYTHING IN A

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COURT OF LAW.

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OUR ELECTIONS IN GEORGIA ARE

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SECURE, ACCESSIBLE, AND FAIR AND

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WILL CONTINUE TO BE AS LONG AS I

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AM GOVERNOR.

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THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY IS AT

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STAKE IN 2024, AND THAT MUST BE

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OUR FOCUS.

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>> THEN, OF COURSE, BRAD

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RAFFENSPERGER SAID THE MOST

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BASIC PRINCIPLES OF A STRONG

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DEMOCRACY ARE ACCOUNTABILITY AND

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RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND

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RULE OF LAW.

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YOU EITHER HAVE IT, OR YOU

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DON’T.

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AND IF YOU LOOK, THOSE ARE

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TWO -- THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST

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POWERFUL REPUBLICAN LEADERS IN

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THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

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I HEARD SOMEBODY MISTAKENLY SAY

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THEY BARELY SQUEAKED BY IN 2022

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FOR ELECTION.

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NO, THEY WON IN A LANDSLIDE, AND

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THEY WON IN A LANDSLIDE IN THE

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REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, AND SO,

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JENNIFER PALMIERI, YOU HAVE --

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YOU KNOW THIS AND I KNOW THIS, I

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THINK KEMP’S TWEET GOING AFTER

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DONALD TRUMP’S B.S. CLAIMS WAS

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SO SHOCKING WHEN IT CAME OUT AS

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QUICKLY AS IT CAME OUT, THE

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TIMING OF WHEN IT CAME OUT,

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BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE TO DO IT.

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HE DIDN’T HAVE TO DO IT THEN.

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I WOULD SAY 99% OF POLITICIANS

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WOULD HAVE SAT BACK AND SAID,

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IT’S TRUMP, LET’S JUST LET IT

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PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT.

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NO.

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HE WENT OUT OF HIS WAY -- THE

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GOVERNOR, THE REPUBLICAN

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GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA WHERE THIS

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CASE IS GOING TO BE TRIED WENT

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OUT OF HIS WAY TO SAY, DONALD

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TRUMP’S LYING AND THE SECRETARY

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OF STATE SAID THIS GUY, HE

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DOESN’T RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION

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OF THE UNITED STATES.

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YOU EITHER RESPECT IT, OR YOU

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DON’T.

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I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY

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TELLING AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT

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DIVIDE NOW AMONG REPUBLICANS,

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AND I TALKED TO GREG BLUESTEIN

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YESTERDAY AND SAID IT MUST BE

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HEATED.

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WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS IN

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FULTON COUNTY?

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THEY SHOULD DO IT IN ANOTHER

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DISTRICT AND GREG SAID, WELL,

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THAT’S WHERE THE CRIMES TOOK

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PLACE.

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THIS ISN’T JUST A DEMOCRATIC

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THING IN GEORGIA.

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THERE ARE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS

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THAT ARE INCREDIBLY ANGRY AT

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WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID IN 2020

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AND HOW HE KEEPS LOSING THE

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SENATE FOR GEORGIA REPUBLICANS.

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>> YOU KNOW, I WATCHED THE SHOW

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YESTERDAY.

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YOU HAD A GREAT COLLOQUY.

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CAN YOU HAVE A COLLOQUY BETWEEN

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THREE PEOPLE?

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>> I THINK YOU CAN.

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>> IS THAT RIGHT?

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I DIDN’T KNOW IF IT WAS A

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TWO-MEMBER THING.

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YOU’RE THE FORMER MEMBER OF

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CONGRESS.

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BETWEEN YOU AND HILEMAN AND JON

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MEACHAM ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND

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WHY THEY WON’T HAVE THE COURAGE

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TO PUSH BACK AND WHY THEY

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CONTINUE TO ACCEPT TRUMP OR, YOU

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KNOW, PICK THEIR MOMENTS WHEN

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THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE HIM ON

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AND, YOU KNOW, GEORGIA IS JUST

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SUCH AN INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE

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BRIAN KEMP AND BRAD

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RAFFENSPERGER SHOW THAT YOU CAN

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DO THIS.

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I CAN’T THINK OF -- DOUG DUCEY,

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FORMER GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA, HE

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DID THIS TO SOME DEGREE, HE

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STOOD UP TO TRUMP.

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FAMOUSLY REFUSED TO TAKE HIS

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PHONE CALL AS HE WAS CERTIFYING

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ARIZONA’S VOTES, BUT NOT IN THE

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WAY THAT BRIAN KEMP AND BRAD

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RAFFENSPERGER REALLY DEFENDED

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GEORGIA, REALLY TOOK ON TRUMP

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AND, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY WON

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BIG, AND --

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>> HUGE.

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HUGE LANDSLIDE WINS IN THE GOP.

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>> AND, YOU KNOW, KELLY LOEFFLER

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WHO WAS BRIEFLY A SENATOR RAN

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FOR RE-ELECTION IN 2020, DAVID

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PERDUE WHO WAS SENATOR FROM

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GEORGIA, HE PRIMARIED BRIAN KEMP

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AND ALL BACKED TRUMP AND THEY

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ALL LOST.

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THE OTHER REPUBLICANS WHO, YOU

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KNOW, BACKED UP TRUMP ON HIS

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CLAIMS THAT HE LOST THE -- THAT

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HE WON THE 2020 ELECTION,

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THEY’RE NOW INDICTED, BUT

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RAFFENSPERGER AND KEMP SHOW THAT

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THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS IF YOU

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DO IT WITH INTEGRITY AND, YOU

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KNOW, THESE TWO AS MUCH AS

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PROGRESSIVES HAVE LAUDED THEM

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FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEY’RE

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CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS, SO

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THEY STILL WIN IN -- THEY STILL

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WIN IN THESE PRIMARIES, BUT IT

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SHOWS THERE IS A WAY TO STAND UP