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THANK YOU, MY FRIEND, AS

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ALWAYS.

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THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR

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JOINING US THIS HOUR.

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THE ARTICLE STARTS WITH THIS

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QUOTE.

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THE WOMAN CANNOT BELIEVE IT.

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SHE IS IN THE SAME ELEVATOR

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WITH RUDOLPH GIULIANI.

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OH, THIS IS A THRILL.

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THIS IS NOT SOMEONE IN A MAGA

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HAT AT CPAC LAST YEAR.

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IT IS A RANDOM NEW YORKER IN

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THE YEAR 1985.

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1985 WAS THE YEAR THAT RUDOLPH

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GIULIANI MADE A NAME FOR

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HIMSELF.

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IT WAS THE YEAR THAT GIULIANI

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PIONEER THE SAME PROSECUTORIAL

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TACTICS THAT NOW VERY MUCH LOOK

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LIKE THEY COULD BE HIS

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DOWNFALL.

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BUT LET ME BACK UP JUST A

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LITTLE BIT.

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THIS IS CARMINE, THE CIGAR

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GILANTE.

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HE WAS ALLEGEDLY THE BOSS OF

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ONE OF NEW YORK’S MOST POWERFUL
CRIME FAMILIES.

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CRIME FAMILIES.

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AND IN THE 70S, GILANTE

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ASSASSINS WAYS THAT GALANTE

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DECIDED HE SHOULD BE THE HEAD

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MOB BOSS.

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BUT THE OTHER MOB BOSSES DIDN’T
WANT TO AGREE.

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WANT TO AGREE.

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A GUY NAMED ANTHONY INDLICATO

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--

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WHACK WAX PALM PRINT --

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BUT MR. INDLICATO --

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WHACK WHACK --

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WAS ALMOST DEFINITELY NOT THE

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PERSON WHO DECIDED --
OUR MIND THIS A CAR.

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OUR MIND THIS A CAR.

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WHACK WHACK MAY HAVE BEEN PART

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OF THE --

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MR. INDLICATO WAYS WHAT IS

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REFERRED TO IN THE MAFIA AS A
COP SHOW CAPO --

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COP SHOW CAPO --

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COMPOSE --

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KAPO INSTEAD MR. GIULIANI

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WANTED STRIKE ALL LEVELS OF THE

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MOB FAMILY SAYING IT WAS NOT AN

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UNREALISTIC GOAL TO CRUSH THEM.

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SO GIULIANI WENT FOR THE PEOPLE

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AT THE TOP.

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>> THE INDICTMENT OF THE

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NATIONAL COMMISSION OF

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ORGANIZED CRIME --

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ACCORDING TO THE FBI, THIS NINE

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MEMBER RULING BODY IS

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CO-CHAIRED BY THE MEN WHO ARE

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THE BOSSES OF NEW YORK’S FIVE

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ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES.

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THE GENOVESE FAMILY --

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THE GAMBIA NO FAMILY HEADED BY

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BIG PAUL CASTOLON --

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OH THE LOU CASEY FAMILY, RULED

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BY TONY DUCKS COLORED OH --

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THE --

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AND A BANANA FAMILY HEADED BY

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PHIL RISCH DELHI.

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>> THE CASE THAT MADE --

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RUDY GIULIANI A NATIONAL FIGURE

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WAS NOT ABOUT ANY ONE CRIMINAL

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OR ANY ONE CRIME.

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IT WAS ABOUT HOW ALL OF THESE

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CRIMES --

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DRUG DEALS AND EXTORTION --

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EVEN MURDER --

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HOW ALL OF THAT WAS ULTIMATELY

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CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE AT THE

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TOP IN THE FORM OF A CRIMINAL

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ENTERPRISE.

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IN THIS CASE, A RULING BODY

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BODY WITH A MOB BOSS FROM EVERY

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FAMILY, A RULING BODY CALLED

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THE --

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>> THEY ARE SAID TO RUN THE

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MOST POWERFUL CRIME FAMILIES IN

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NEW YORK.

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IN FACT, IN THE NATION.

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AND ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT,

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THEY MAKE UP THE COMMISSION.

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THE RULING BODY OF A POTENT

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CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE DEALING IN

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DRUGS AND EXTORTION, LOAN

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SHARKING, LABOR RACKETEERING

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AND MURDER.

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AND MAFIA HITTERS WERE ROUNDED

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UP IN AN OVERNIGHT TO SWEEP.

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AND TODAY U.S. ATTORNEY RUDOLPH

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GIULIANI ANNOUNCED THE

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INDICTMENTS.

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>> THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR LAW

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ENFORCEMENT.

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BUT THIS IS A BAD DAY --

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PROBABLY THE WORST --

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FOR THE MAFIA.

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>> THE COMMISSION HAS EXISTED

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IN NEW YORK FOR MORE THAN 50

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YEARS AT THAT POINT, WITHOUT

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ANYONE BEING ABLE TO TOUCH IT.

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WHAT GAVE GIULIANI THE ABILITY

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TO GO AFTER THE COMMISSION

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ITSELF, RATHER THAN JUST THE

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COMMISSIONS FOOTSOLDIERS, LIKE

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WHACK WHACK, WAS GIULIANI’S

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PIONEERING USE OF A RELATIVELY

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NEW LAW, THE RACKETEER

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INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT

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ORGANIZATION ACT OF 1970.

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YOU MIGHT KNOW IT MORE AS RICO.

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BEFORE 1970, PROSECUTORS WERE

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LIMITED TO SEEKING INDICTMENTS

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FOR SPECIFIC ACTS, SUCH AS THE

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COMMISSION OF A CRIME TO

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FINDING WITNESSES WHO WOULD --

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CONSPIRACY.

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RICO CHANGE THAT.

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IF YOU COULD PROVE THAT THERE

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WAS AN ENTERPRISE OR AN

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ORGANIZED GROUP OF SOME KIND,

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CONSPIRING TOGETHER TO COMMIT

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MULTIPLE CRIMES, THEN YOU COULD

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CHARGE FOR THAT CONSPIRACY.

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>> IT’S BACK IN 1983, I THINK

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--

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WHEN RON CAME TO VISIT ME TO

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TALK ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A

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RICO CASE.

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AT THAT POINT, WE ALL THOUGHT

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THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF

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PUTTING TOGETHER A CASE ON THE

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COMMISSION OF THE MAFIA.

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BUT IT WAS ON THE DRAWING BOARD

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AT THE TIME.

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AND THERE WERE AN AWFUL LOT OF

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PEOPLE, INCLUDING PEOPLE WITHIN

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LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THOUGHT

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THAT THAT WAS TOTALLY

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UNREALISTIC, RIDICULOUS, COULD

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NOT BE DONE.

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>> RUDY GIULIANI DID IT.

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THE TOP BOSSES IN NEW YORK’S

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MOST POWERFUL MAFIAS WERE GIVEN

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100-YEAR PRISON SENTENCES.

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AND THE CASE MAY GIULIANI

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FAMOUS.

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AND HE’S THAT FAME TO

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ULTIMATELY RUN FOR MAYOR OF NEW

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YORK AND, WELL, YOU KNOW THE

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REST OF THE STORY.

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BUT NOW A VERSION OF THE SAME

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LAW --

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GEORGIA’S RICO STATUTE --

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A VERSION OF THAT LAW COULD BE

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RUDY GIULIANI’S DOWNFALL.

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OF ALL THE INDICTMENTS FORMER

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PRESIDENT TRUMP FACES, ONE OF

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THE THINGS THAT MAKES

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YESTERDAY’S UNIQUE WAYS, HOW

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MANY OTHER DEFENDANTS THERE OR.

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BECAUSE IT IS A RICO CASE,

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TRUMP WAS INDICTED ALONG WITH

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18 OTHER CODEFENDANTS.

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19 PEOPLE --

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19 --

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ALL CHARGED WITH BEING PART OF

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A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

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JUST LIKE HOW GIULIANI CHARGE

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THE COMMISSION IN THE 19 80S.

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AND LAST NIGHT, FULTON COUNTY

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D.A. FANI WILLIS MADE IT CLEAR

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THAT SHE INTENDS TO TRY THIS

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WHOLE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE

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TOGETHER.

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>> DO I INTEND TO TRY THE 19

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DEFENDANTS IN THIS INDICTMENT

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TOGETHER?

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YES.

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>> NOW, WE HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF

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HIGH-PROFILE CASES AGAINST

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INDIVIDUAL DEFENDANTS PLAY OUT

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IN COURT OVER THE PAST FEW

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YEARS.

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THE TRIAL AGAINST TRUMP’S

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FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER PAUL

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MANAFORT, FOR EXAMPLE.

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WE KNOW HOW THOSE TRIALS WORK.

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BUT WHAT ABOUT A CASE AGAINST

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19 PEOPLE?

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BUT WHAT ABOUT A RICO CASE?

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HOW WILL THIS ALL WORK?

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AND NOW THAT ALL 19 OF THIS

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THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE FACING

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SERIOUS JAIL TIME, HOW SOON

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UNTIL SOMEONE IN THIS CASE

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FLIPS?

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--

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MAKE NO MISTAKE, AS MUCH AS

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TRUMP IS SURROUNDED BY

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COCONSPIRATORS CASE HERE, IN

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BOTH A FEDERAL CASE IN THE

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GEORGIA CASE, EVEN SOMEONE LIKE

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RUDY GIULIANI IS ULTIMATELY

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JUST DAY CAPO IN THIS CRIMINAL

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ENTERPRISE.

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THE BIG BOSS --

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THE ENDGAME HERE --

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IS DONALD J TRUMP.

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AND THE QUESTION TONIGHT IS,

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DOES THE RICO LAW THAT RUDY