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>>> YOU’RE ASKING ME TO DO

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SOMETHING AGAINST MY OELTH AND I

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WILL NOT BREAK MY OATH.

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>> A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN AND

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TRUMP VOTER THERE, WHO WAS

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EXPLAINING TO THE JANUARY 6th

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COMMITTEE WHY HE RESISTED DONALD

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TRUMP’S FINAL DESPERATE CALLS OF

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WHAT HE VIEWED AS A REQUEST TO

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BREAK THE LAW AND BREAK HIS

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OATH.

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NOW, THIS ALLEGED RACKETEERING

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IN THE INDICTMENT HAS A DECEMBER

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18th, 2020, WHITE HOUSE MEETING,

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ERE TRUMP, GIULIANI, POWELL,

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AND OTHERS WERE DISCUSSING WHAT

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MAY BE CRIMINAL PLOTS TO STEAL

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THE ELECTION.

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THAT INCLUDED IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO

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SEIZE VOTING EQUIPMENT WITH THE

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HELP OF THE MILITARY, SOMETHING

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THEY FAILED TO GET DONE.

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AND ABUSE DONALD TRUMP’S POWER

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TO APPOINT SOMEONE, IN THIS

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CASE, POWELL, WHO OF COURSE, WAS

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SUPPOSED TO BE HIS CAMPAIGN

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ATTORNEY, BUT THE IDEA IS WHAT

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IF WE JUST SNUCK HER INTO THE

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GOVERNMENT ITSELF AND HAVE HER

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WORK WITH THE MILITARY TO SEIZE

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VOTING MACHINES.

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IT’S WHERE BANANA REPUBLIC AND

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COUP STUFF MEETS, YOU KNOW,

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KEYSTONE COPS, BECAUSE AS I

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MENTIONED, IT DIDN’T WORK.

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IT WASN’T VERY THOUGHT OUT.

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THAT’S NOT A GOOD DEFENSE IF YOU

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ARE FACING RICO CHARGES.

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SAYING I’M BAD AT THE CRIMES

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THAT YOU SAW I REALLY TRIED TO

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COMMIT, THAT’S ABOUT COMPETENCE,

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NOT ABOUT LAW.

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FORMER WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS

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WERE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW.

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>> ASKING ONE SIMPLE QUESTION.

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AS A GENERAL MATTER.

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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

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>> WHAT RESPONSE DID YOU GET

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WHEN YOU ASKED MS. POWELL AND

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HER COLLEAGUES?

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>> A VARIETY OF RESPONSES BASED

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ON RECOLLECTION, INCLUDING CAN’T

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BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING

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LIKE THIS, THINGS LIKE THIS,

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN, WHERE IS THE

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EVIDENCE?

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YOU SHOULD KNOW.

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THINGS LIKE THAT, OR YOU KNOW.

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A GENERAL DISREGARD FOR THE

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IMPORTANCE OF ACTUALLY BACKING

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UP WHAT YOU SAY WITH FACTS.

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>> AND YOU KNOW, THEN THERE WAS

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A DISCUSSION, WE’LL HAVE IT OR

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WHATEVER.

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>> I THINK IT GOT TO THE POINT

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WHERE THE SCREAMING WAS

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COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY OUT

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THERE.

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YOU HAVE PEOPLE WALK IN, IT WAS

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LATE AT NIGHT, HAD IT BEEN A

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LONG DAY.

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WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING I

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THOUGHT WAS NUTS.

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>> THOSE ARE TRUMP OFFICIALS,

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TRUMP APPOINTEES, WHITE HOUSE

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OFFICIALS.

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ALL OF THIS, OF COURSE, IS

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DRAWING ON THE JAN 6 COMMITTEE’S

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WORK, ALSO ALL THE VOICE MAILS

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THAT GIULIANI WAS LEAVING FOR

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DIFFERENT OFFICIALS.

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THIS HAPPENED IN AND OUTSIDE OF

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GEORGIA AND INVOLVED THE ELECTOR

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FRAUD PLOT WHICH IS NOW PART OF

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THE INDICTMENT’S RACKETEERING

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CHARGES.

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>> MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS RUDY

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GIULIANI AND JENNA ELLIS, WE’RE

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CALLING YOU TOGETHER BECAUSE WE

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WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OBVIOUSLY

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THE ELECTION.

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>> HEY, BRIAN, IT’S RUDY.

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REALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO CALL TO

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YOUR ATTENTION THAT I THINK

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REALLY CHANGES THINGS.

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I UNDERSTAND YOU DON’T WANT TO

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TALK TO ME NOW.

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I JUST WANT TO BRING SOME FACTS

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TO YOUR ATTENTION AND TALK TO

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YOU AS A FELLOW REPUBLICAN.

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>> THAT IS JUST SOME OF THE

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EVIDENCE UNEARTHED BY THE

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JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE.

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AND IF YOU REMEMBER THOSE DAYS,

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PEOPLE SAID WHAT’S THE POINT OF

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ANOTHER COMMITTEE?

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WHAT’S THE POINT OF

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INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT DOES IT

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EVEN MEAN IF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS

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REFER THINGS?

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THERE WAS A LOT OF SKEPTICISM, A

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LOT OF SHADE, AND LOOK,

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SKEPTICISM IS PART OF LIFE.

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BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE CLEAR

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ABOUT WHEN THINGS WORK.

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WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL THE GOOD

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NEWS, WHETHER IT’S COMING OUT OF

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GOVERNMENT OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

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THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE

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WORKED.

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IT WAS BIPARTISAN AND DREW ON A

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LOT OF DIFFERENT SOURCES,

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INCLUDING MANY REPUBLICAN

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OFFICIALS WITNESSES, AND IT

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YIELDS FACTS WHICH THE REST OF

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THE WORLD CAN USE.

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IN SOCIETY, IN JOURNALISM, AND

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NOW AS WE SEE, IN MULTIPLE

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CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS.

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WITH THAT IN MIND ON THIS

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HISTORIC NIGHT, WE HAVE TWO

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SPECIAL NIGHTS.

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A FORMER SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE

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COUNSEL TO THAT VERY HOUSE

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JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE,

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AND CHAI KOMANDURI ON THE

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POLITICAL HISTORY OF IT.

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HE HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL

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PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS INCLUDING

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OBAMA’S AND IS KNOWN AS THE

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DEMOCRATS’ IN-HOUSE HISTORIAN.

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WITH THAT IN MIND, LET ME START

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WITH YOU.

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IT DID MAKE HISTORY.

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YOU DID UNEARTH THINGS.

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I’M NOT SAYING YOUR WHOLE

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COMMITTEE WAS PERFECT OR YOUR

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WORK IS PERFECT, BUT AS A

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JOURNALIST, WHEN YOU DO THINGS

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THAT WORK AND ARE GOOD, WE’RE

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GOING TO NOTE THAT.

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I’M CURIOUS, BIG PICTURE, WHAT

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YOU THINK OF WHAT’S COME OUT OF

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ATLANTA LAST NIGHT AND HOW IT

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RELATES TO THE FACT FINDING YOU

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DID.

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>> HI, ARI.

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THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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I THINK IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS IT

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HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY AFFIRMING OF

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THE COMMITTEE’S WORK TO SEE BOTH

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JACK SMITH’S INDICTMENT AS WELL

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AS THIS INDICTMENT FROM

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YESTERDAY.

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I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE,

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LARGELY REFLECTS THE WORK OF THE

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COMMITTEE.

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AS WE SEE IN THE GEORGIA

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INDICTMENT, IT HAS A LEVEL OF

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DETAIL THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO

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SHARE IN A MANNER THAT IS LAID

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OUT IN THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT

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THAT WE SEE HERE, BUT AGAIN, IT

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TRACKS THE SUMMER HEARINGS IN

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VERY MUCH THE WAY THAT WE

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DESCRIBED THE MULTI-PRONGED

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EFFORT OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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AND HIS ALLIES.

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WE HAD A HEARING ABOUT THE

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PRESSURE ON STATE ELECTION

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WORKERS.

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THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THE

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COUNTRY WAS INTRODUCED TO SHAYE

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MOSS AND RUBY FREEMAN, AND THEY

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PROVIDED LIVE COMPELLING

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TESTIMONY.

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WE ALSO HEARD FROM RUSTY BOWERS.

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THERE WERE ASPECTS OF THIS

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INDICTMENT THAT WE SEE NOW THAT

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WERE FEATURED AS PART OF THE

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HEARINGS.

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IN ADDITION TO THE D OOJ HEARING

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THAT FEATURED THE LETTER OF JEFF

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CLARK THAT HE REQUESTED TO SEND

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TO THE GEORGIA STATE LEGISLATOR.

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SO SEVERAL SNIPPETS SHOWN DURING

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THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER IS NOW

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LAID OUT, AND ESSENTIALLY, THAT

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CONDUCT MEETS THE LEVEL OF

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GEORGIA STATUTES THAT RISES TO

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CRIMINAL CONDUCT FOR THIS RICO

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CHARGE.

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>> YEAH.

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APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND YOUR

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BREAKDOWN OF THAT.

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CHAI, YOU’RE NOT HERE AS A HOUSE

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INVESTIGATOR OR AS A LEGAL

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EXPERT.

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YOU’RE HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE

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BEEN SO INVOLVED IN HOW THE

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DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS NAVIGATED

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THESE THINGS.

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IT WOULD SEEM THAT THERE WAS AN

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IMPROVEMENT OR A LEARNING CURVE.

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THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE

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DISTINGUISHED ITSELF BECAUSE IT

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WAS FACTUAL AND BIPARTISAN.

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BUT IT ONLY GOT TO BE THAT WAY

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BECAUSE SPEAKER PELOSI DECIDED

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WHERE TO DRAW THE LINE AND WHERE

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TO STARE DOWN THE SORT OF

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POLITICAL THUGS AND HIJACKERS.

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IT ONLY GOT THAT WAY BECAUSE LIZ

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CHENEY HAD TO DEAL WITH REAL

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POLITICS.

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SHE WAS BOOTED, AS EVERYONE

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REMEMBERS, FROM LEADERSHIP, NOT

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FOR A MISTAKE, NOT FOR A

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PERSONAL SCANDAL.

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SHE WAS BOOTED BECAUSE AS THE

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COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATOR JUST

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REMINDED US, COUNSEL, BECAUSE

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THEY WERE FACT FINDING.

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I’M CURIOUS, TO TAKE US ALL THE

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WAY BACK, WHAT ARE YOUR LESSONS

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HERE, IN WHAT WAS NOT AUTOMATIC,

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THE MULTIPLE SORT OF LEGISLATIVE

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AND POLITICAL STEPS AND MOVES

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THAT DEMOCRATIC LEADERS AND

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CHIEFLY THEN SPEAKER PELOSI

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MADE?

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>> I CAN’T REMEMBER A MORE

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CONSEQUENTIAL COMMITTEE HEARING

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IN MY LIFETIME.

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I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO

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WATERGATE TO THINK ABOUT A

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COMMITTEE HEARING THAT WAS AS

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IMPORTANT AS JANUARY 6th.

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AND LIKE WATERGATE, WHAT THE

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HEARING DID IS IT CHANGED THE

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NARRATIVE.

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WATERGATE WAS A BUNGLED BURGLARY

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AND THEN BY THE END OF IT, IT

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WAS A CANCER GROWING ON THE

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PRESIDENCY.

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JANUARY 6th WAS BEING PRESENTED

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BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AS BASICALLY

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A RALLY WHERE A FEW PEOPLE KIND

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OF GOT OUT OF CONTROL.

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NOTHING MORE, NOTHING MORE TO

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SEE THERE.

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WHAT THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE

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DID IS IT CHANGED THE ENTIRE

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NARRATIVE.

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IT SAID THIS WAS AN ASSAULT ON

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DEMOCRACY.

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THIS WAS AN ATTEMPTED VIOLENT

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OVERTHROW OF THE U.S.

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CONSTITUTION.

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AND DONALD TRUMP IS SINGULARLY

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RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

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IT COMPLETELY CHANGED THE

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NARRATIVE.

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YOU CAN SEE THAT CHANGE IN THE

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NARRATIVE IN WHAT HAPPENED IN

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THE MIDTERMS IN 2022.

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WHERE CANDIDATE AFTER CANDIDATE,

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MAGA LOONY AFTER MAGA LOONY,

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KARI LAKE, HERSCHEL WALKER, ALL

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THE ELECTION DENIERS BASICALLY

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LOST, AND THEY LOST BECAUSE

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JANUARY 6th CHANGED THE

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NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW WE THOUGHT

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ABOUT THOSE EVENTS AND HOW WE

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THINK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND THE

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MAGA MOVEMENT.

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>> AND THEN IT GOES TO THE

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TRICKY POSITION THAT DEMOCRATS

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HAVE BEEN IN DURING THIS PERIOD

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OF RISING AUTHORITARIAN HATE IN

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AMERICA.

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ON THE ONE HAND, EVERYBODY KNOWS

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THERE’S POLITICAL DISPUTES.

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NO PARTY IS PERFECT.

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ON THE OTHER HAND, THE PARTY

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THAT IS TRYING TO ACTUALLY HOLD

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THE LINE ON DEMOCRACY OR NOT

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ALLOWING VIOLENT THUGS TO

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INTIMIDATE AND HIJACK AS SOMEONE

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JUST MENTIONED, POLL WORKERS AND

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OTHERS, IS ALSO SEEN BY SOME

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PORTION OF THE POPULATION AS

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YOU’RE JUST DOING IT BECAUSE IT

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ALSO BENEFITS YOUR SIDE.

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IT’S BOTH, RIGHT?

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YOU JUST MENTIONED, MIDTERM

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FIZZLE OF THE REPUBLICANS MAY

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VERY WELL BE FOR THOSE REASONS,

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AND YET AT THE SAME TIME,

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SPEAKER PELOSI CHOSE TO NAVIGATE

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THAT.

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I’M CURIOUS YOUR SHOE ON THAT

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NOW THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH DATA ON

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THAT.

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DO WE GET HERE WITHOUT SPEAKER

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PELOSI’S CHOICES ABOUT WHEN TO

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REALLY FIGHT?

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>> NO, I DON’T THINK WE DO.

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I THINK SPEAKER PELOSI WAS VERY

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BRAVE IN WHAT SHE DID.

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I THINK WHEN DONALD TRUMP SITS

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IN WHAT IS NOW COURTROOMS PLURAL

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AND THINKS ABOUT WHO PUT HIM

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HERE, IN ADDITION TO HIMSELF,

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LOOKING IN THE MIRROR, WHICH IS

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SOMETHING HE WOULD NEVER DO, THE

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PERSON WHO PUT HIM THERE IS

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SPEAKER PELOSI.

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THE ONE PERSON WHO SHOWED A

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CERTAIN FEARLESSNESS AND

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UNDERSTANDING THAT, IT’S NOT

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ABOUT THE NORMS OF NOT GOING

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AFTER AN EX-PRESIDENT.

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IT’S ABOUT THE NORM OF OUR

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CONSTITUTION AND OUR

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CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER.

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AND RESPECTING THE RIGHT OF U.S.

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CITIZENS TO VOTE AND CHOOSE

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THEIR LEADERS AND NOT HAVE IT

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TAKEN FROM THEM BY VIOLENCE.

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SPEAKER PELOSI WAS SINGULAR IN

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FIGURING THAT OUT AND

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UNDERSTANDING THAT.

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AND IT WAS HER INITIATIVE THAT

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MADE THIS HAPPEN.

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AND SHE’S THE REASON WHY DONALD

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TRUMP IS GOING TO BE SITTING IN

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THOSE COURTROOMS.

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>> IT’S AN IMPORTANT POINT, AND

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IT’S NOT OFFERED IN THE CONTEXT

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OF TRYING TO TARGET A POLITICAL

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OPPONENT.

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QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

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YOU COULD PICK A DEMOCRAT AND

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SAY ROD BLAGOJEVICH AND SAY WHEN

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HE WAS TRYING TO ABUSE POWER,

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RIGHT, AND TAKE BRIBES TO FILL

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IN THAT CASE A SENATE SEAT,

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THERE ARE PEOPLE WHEN MIGHT BE A

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PART OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS,

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THEY MIGHT HAVE RUN ON A CERTAIN

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PARTY LINE, BUT THE QUESTION IS

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THE LEGAL STANDARD AND THE

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FACTS.

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I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU ON A

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FINAL WORD AS WELL AS A RESPONSE

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TO MARK MEADOWS, WHO YOUR

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COMMITTEE DEALT WITH ALONG THE

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WHOLE WAY, BECAUSE HE NOW STANDS

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INDICTED TODAY.

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HIS LAWYERS SAYING NOTHING

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MR. MEADOWS IS ALLEGED TO HAVE

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DONE IN THE INDICTMENT IS

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CRIMINAL PER SE, ARRANGING

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MEETINGS, CATHING STATE

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OFFICIALS, VISITING A BUILDING,

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SETTING UP A PHONE CALL.

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ONE WOULD EXPECT THE CHIEF OF

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STAFF TO DO THESE SORT OF

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THINGS.

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YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT AS WELL AS

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ANY FINAL WORDS TONIGHT.

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>> I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING

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TO SEE MARK MEADOWS WAS CHARGED.

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I THINK IT’S APPROPRIATE GIVEN

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THE STATUTES HE HAS BEEN CHARGED

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WITH HERE IN GEORGIA.

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I THINK THAT THE KEY PHRASE IS

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CRIMINAL PER SE, AND WHEN YOU

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TAKE THOSE FACTS AND YOU APPLY

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THEM TO THE LAW, THE OVERT ACTS

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AND THE COUNTS HE’S CHARGED WITH

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ARE APPROPRIATE.

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THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE

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COMMITTEE DID.

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WE FOLLOWED FACTS.

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WE DID IT FOR A DIFFERENT

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PURPOSE THAN THE DISTRICT

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ATTORNEY’S OFFICE HERE IN

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GEORGIA AS WELL AS THE SPECIAL

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COUNSEL’S OFFICE, BUT FACTS CAN

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LEAD TO DIFFERENT THINGS.

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OUR SUMMER HEARINGS LED TO

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EDUCATING THE COUNTRY ABOUT THE

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CONDUCT OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT,

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AND NOW THOSE SAME FACTS LED TO

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INDICTMENTS.

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>> ALL REALLY STRIKING.