WEBVTT 00:05.573 --> 00:07.040 >>> THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT 00:07.041 --> 00:08.103 >>> THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT 00:08.114 --> 00:10.690 WAYS TO PROCESS THIS MAJOR NEWS 00:10.691 --> 00:12.218 OF THE RICO INDICTMENT OUT OF 00:12.219 --> 00:13.485 ATLANTA. 00:13.496 --> 00:16.121 IT’S DONALD TRUMP’S FOURTH 00:16.122 --> 00:16.425 INDICTMENT. 00:16.426 --> 00:18.196 THE FIRST STATE CHARGES THAT 00:18.207 --> 00:20.829 RELATE TO THE COUP. 00:20.863 --> 00:23.181 IT IS A PLACE WHERE THERE’S A 00:23.192 --> 00:24.687 MANDATORY MINIMUM, AND THERE 00:24.698 --> 00:26.717 AREN’T EASY WAYS TO PARDON, SO 00:26.752 --> 00:29.055 EVEN IF DONALD TRUMP REMAINS A 00:29.066 --> 00:30.465 POPULAR REPUBLICAN, EVEN IF HE 00:30.499 --> 00:31.733 ASSUMED THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN, HE 00:31.744 --> 00:33.416 WOULD STILL HAVE THE LEGAL 00:33.427 --> 00:34.859 CHALLENGE, A STANDA BETWEEN A 00:34.870 --> 00:36.403 STATE IF HE WERE CONVICTED WHERE 00:36.438 --> 00:38.095 HE WOULD NEED TO BE INCARCERATED 00:38.106 --> 00:40.182 AND A QUESTION OF WHAT HAPPENS 00:40.216 --> 00:41.904 FOR AN ELECTED PRESIDENT-ELECT 00:41.915 --> 00:43.927 WHO IS LEGALLY AND LAWFULLY 00:43.938 --> 00:44.801 AWAITING OR EXPERIENCING 00:44.835 --> 00:45.195 INCARCERATION. 00:45.206 --> 00:46.722 THOSE ARE MANY WAYS. 00:46.757 --> 00:47.849 BUT THERE’S ANOTHER WAY. 00:47.860 --> 00:49.787 AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT’S 00:49.821 --> 00:51.569 GOTTEN A LITTLE LESS ATTENTION 00:51.571 --> 00:53.297 BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL BEEN DEALING 00:53.308 --> 00:54.596 WITH ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS I 00:54.597 --> 00:55.535 MENTIONED. 00:55.546 --> 00:59.250 UNTIL LAST NIGHT, NO LAWYER OR 00:59.251 --> 01:01.892 AIDE TO DONALD TRUMP HAD 01:01.903 --> 01:03.499 ACTUALLY BEEN CHARGED FOR 01:03.534 --> 01:05.467 STEALING THE ELECTION OR COUP 01:05.478 --> 01:06.527 RELATED ACTIVITIES. 01:06.561 --> 01:09.711 IF YOU’RE A CLOSE NEWS WATCHER, 01:09.722 --> 01:11.212 YOU MIGHT SAY, WHAT ABOUT 01:11.223 --> 01:12.135 BANNON? 01:12.169 --> 01:15.026 IT WAS PROCESS, HIM DEFYING THE 01:15.037 --> 01:15.466 COMMITTEE. 01:15.500 --> 01:16.986 WHAT ABOUT NAVARRO? 01:16.997 --> 01:18.116 HE’S AWAITING TRIAL. 01:18.127 --> 01:19.349 IMPORTANT BUT SEPARATE FROM 01:19.383 --> 01:20.611 WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY GET HIT 01:20.612 --> 01:22.355 WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, A RICO CHARGE 01:22.366 --> 01:23.701 FOR STEALING THE ELECTION. 01:23.712 --> 01:25.040 AND THIS ALSO MATTERS BECAUSE 01:25.051 --> 01:26.418 WHATEVER YOU THINK OF DONALD 01:26.429 --> 01:29.371 TRUMP AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY 01:29.382 --> 01:31.921 TRY TO FOLLOW HIS BLUEPRINT, YOU 01:31.932 --> 01:33.200 CAN’T DO A CONSPIRACY BY 01:33.234 --> 01:33.630 YOURSELF. 01:33.641 --> 01:35.403 YOU CERTAINLY CAN’T DO A COUP BY 01:35.404 --> 01:36.326 YOURSELF. 01:36.327 --> 01:38.783 THERE’S NO DIY UNILATERAL COUP. 01:38.794 --> 01:39.852 THIS AIN’T TENNIS. 01:39.853 --> 01:41.290 THIS IS A TEAM SPORT. 01:41.301 --> 01:43.124 AND IF YOU START THROWING PEOPLE 01:43.135 --> 01:45.116 IN PRISON, AS THE D.A. HAS SHOWN 01:45.150 --> 01:46.818 SHE IS WILLING TO DO, SHE SAID 01:46.829 --> 01:48.549 VERY CAREFULLY LAST NIGHT, 01:48.584 --> 01:49.862 THEY’RE PRESUMED INNOCENT, BUT 01:49.873 --> 01:51.534 SHE EXPECTS CONVICTED PEOPLE TO 01:51.545 --> 01:52.902 SERVE THEIR PRISON TERMS 01:52.903 --> 01:53.772 INCLUDING THAT MANDATORY FIVE 01:53.773 --> 01:54.071 YEARS. 01:54.105 --> 01:56.091 IF YOU START THROWING A BUNCH OF 01:56.092 --> 01:57.797 PEOPLE IN PRISON, I DO NOT CARE 01:57.808 --> 01:59.168 HOW COCKY OR CONFIDENT THEY 01:59.202 --> 02:01.167 SEEM, I DON’T CARE HOW MUCH THEY 02:01.178 --> 02:02.897 SAID THEY SUPPORT THIS OR THAT 02:02.932 --> 02:04.989 POLITICIAN, AS WE KNOW FROM ALL 02:05.000 --> 02:06.581 WORLD HISTORY, ONE THING THAT 02:06.592 --> 02:07.952 HASN’T CHANGED, PEOPLE HATE 02:07.986 --> 02:09.089 GOING TO PRISON. 02:09.100 --> 02:11.913 AND IF THEY ACTUALLY SEE A WORLD 02:11.924 --> 02:14.283 WHERE IT IS A POSSIBILITY, IT 02:14.317 --> 02:17.181 MAY CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. 02:17.192 --> 02:20.370 I WANT TO BRING IN NOW FROM 02:20.381 --> 02:20.912 LAENLTD 02:20.913 --> 02:22.578 ATLANTA, TRIAL ATTORNEY KATIE 02:22.589 --> 02:24.347 PHANG AND ONE OF THE COLLEAGUES 02:24.381 --> 02:25.704 KEEPING US INFORMED THROUGH ALL 02:25.715 --> 02:26.534 OF THIS. 02:26.545 --> 02:28.277 GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 02:28.278 --> 02:30.650 >> GREAT TO SEE YOU, ARI. 02:30.661 --> 02:32.251 >> KATIE, LET’S START THERE. 02:32.262 --> 02:34.779 THERE’S MANY THINGS TO GET INTO. 02:34.813 --> 02:37.720 I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE 02:37.731 --> 02:38.976 SURRENDER DEADLINE, BUT FIRST, 02:38.987 --> 02:40.664 BIG PICTURE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN 02:40.698 --> 02:41.884 THAT THERE’S SO MANY OTHER 02:41.885 --> 02:43.551 DEFENDANTS AND IF ANY OF THEM 02:43.562 --> 02:46.023 GET CONVICTED OR PAY A PENALTY, 02:46.034 --> 02:47.965 ACCORDING TO THE D.A., THAT WILL 02:47.999 --> 02:51.018 DETER FUTURE EFFORTS TO STEAL 02:51.029 --> 02:52.432 ELECTIONS IN GEORGIA OR 02:52.433 --> 02:52.861 ELSEWHERE? 02:52.872 --> 02:54.815 >> I THINK, ARI, TO YOUR POINT, 02:54.817 --> 02:56.680 THE SHEER NUMBER OF DEFENDANTS 02:56.681 --> 02:58.470 IN THIS RICO INDICTMENT THAT’S 02:58.481 --> 02:59.794 BEEN BROUGHT ACTUALLY HAS MORE 02:59.828 --> 03:01.433 IMPACT NOT AT THE FINISH LINE, 03:01.444 --> 03:03.210 NOT AT THE SENTENCING, ALTHOUGH 03:03.221 --> 03:04.985 THAT REALLY IS THE INCENTIVE FOR 03:05.019 --> 03:06.588 PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT DURING 03:06.599 --> 03:08.615 THOSE COME TO JESUS MOMENTS 03:08.649 --> 03:10.103 WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO 03:10.104 --> 03:10.405 COOPERATE. 03:10.406 --> 03:11.610 JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN 03:11.621 --> 03:12.892 CHARGED IN AN INDICTMENT WITH 03:12.893 --> 03:14.385 MULTIPLE CRIMES IT DOESN’T MEAN 03:14.396 --> 03:15.952 THAT NOW YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO 03:15.987 --> 03:17.798 COOPERATE, NOT ALLOWED TO BE A 03:17.809 --> 03:19.211 WITNESS ON BEHALF OF FANI 03:19.222 --> 03:20.844 WILLIS’ OFFICE, BUT THE IDEA IS, 03:20.855 --> 03:22.678 HOW DO WE GET THERE, ARI? 03:22.679 --> 03:23.998 HOW MANY OF THOSE DEFENDANTS 03:24.009 --> 03:25.709 INCLUDING EIGHT OF THE 19 THAT 03:25.720 --> 03:27.642 ARE LAWYERS, NOT ALL OF THEM 03:27.676 --> 03:29.392 HAVING LICENSES ANYMORE, AS WE 03:29.403 --> 03:32.141 KNOW, BUT HOW DO WE GET THERE? 03:32.175 --> 03:33.535 WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO PLAY BALL 03:33.536 --> 03:34.179 FIRST? 03:34.190 --> 03:37.032 BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO DICTATE 03:37.033 --> 03:39.616 THE SPEED BY WHICH THIS CASE 03:39.627 --> 03:40.957 SEES THAT FINISH LINE, THAT WE 03:40.992 --> 03:42.235 GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE 03:42.236 --> 03:44.220 LOOKING AT THE WHITES OF THEIR 03:44.231 --> 03:45.543 EYES, THE JURORS, TO SEAT THEM 03:45.554 --> 03:47.006 TO SIT IN JUDGMENT. 03:47.007 --> 03:49.260 WE ALSO HAVE A FOOTNOTE, A 03:49.261 --> 03:50.842 PRETTY BIG ONE, DEALING WITH 03:50.876 --> 03:52.092 THIS POSSIBILITY OF REMOVAL TO 03:52.094 --> 03:53.471 FEDERAL COURT FOR PERHAPS DONALD 03:53.482 --> 03:54.475 TRUMP AND MARK MEADOWS. 03:54.510 --> 03:57.300 BUT I DO THINK NOW THAT YOU HAVE 03:57.302 --> 03:59.749 THE LAWYERS INVOLVED, DO WE 03:59.760 --> 04:02.014 ANTICIPATE HAVING ISSUES OF 04:02.048 --> 04:03.659 ATTORNEY/CLIENT ISSUES? 04:03.670 --> 04:04.552 ATTORNEY/CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 04:04.553 --> 04:05.580 CONVERSATIONS HAD BETWEEN 04:05.591 --> 04:06.814 LAWYERS AND THEIR CLIENT. 04:06.825 --> 04:08.904 HOW DO WE OPERATE THEN OUTSIDE 04:08.906 --> 04:10.709 OF THE CONFINES OF, I WAS JUST 04:10.743 --> 04:11.998 GIVING MY CLIENT LEGAL ADVICE, 04:12.009 --> 04:15.490 WHAT HE CHOSE TO DO WITH IT, HOW HE DEPLOYED THAT WAS UP TO HIM. 04:15.492 --> 04:17.875 HE DEPLOYED THAT WAS UP TO HIM. 04:17.876 --> 04:22.634 WE HAVE ALSO SEEN A FISSURE IN 04:22.645 --> 04:23.732 ANY JOINT DEFENSE. 04:23.766 --> 04:26.358 WE KNOW THE TRUMP PAC IS NOT 04:26.369 --> 04:28.346 GOING TO PAY FOR THE LEGAL FEES 04:28.381 --> 04:29.617 OF JENNA ELLIS. 04:29.628 --> 04:31.745 UP UNTIL NOW, WE ONLY HAVE 04:31.756 --> 04:33.664 DONALD TRUMP CHARGED BY HIMSELF 04:33.699 --> 04:36.120 BY SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH IN 04:36.131 --> 04:37.732 THAT -- IN THE 1/6 ELECTION 04:37.743 --> 04:39.600 INTERFERENCE CASE, BUT WE DO 04:39.611 --> 04:42.103 HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A JOINT 04:42.114 --> 04:44.619 DEFENSE GOING ON WITH WALT NAUTA 04:44.620 --> 04:46.027 AND CARLOS de OLIVEIRA. 04:46.028 --> 04:47.771 THEY’RE STANDING STRONG, 04:47.806 --> 04:49.409 SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, BUT THAT’S 04:49.420 --> 04:51.008 PROBABLY IN LARGE PART BECAUSE 04:51.009 --> 04:52.559 THEIR FEES ARE BEING PAID BY 04:52.570 --> 04:53.557 DONALD TRUMP. 04:53.568 --> 04:55.445 WHEN THEY START TO DROP LIKE 04:55.456 --> 04:57.652 FLIES AND THEY FEEL THE COLDNESS 04:57.687 --> 05:00.195 OF BEING OUT ON THEIR OWN, WOULD 05:00.196 --> 05:01.712 SHE THEN TURN ON RUDY GIULIANI, 05:01.723 --> 05:02.831 ON SIDNEY POWELL? 05:02.865 --> 05:04.612 I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ONCE LAST 05:04.623 --> 05:05.662 THING BEFORE I STOP. 05:05.696 --> 05:07.095 IT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP HERE. 05:07.106 --> 05:08.910 YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE 05:08.945 --> 05:09.983 THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CRIMINAL 05:09.994 --> 05:11.740 EXPOSURE IN THIS CASE, SO THEY 05:11.751 --> 05:13.062 HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE WATCHING 05:13.063 --> 05:14.444 THEIR SIXES TO SEE WHETHER OR 05:14.446 --> 05:15.477 NOT SOMEONE IS GOING TO FLIP ON 05:15.478 --> 05:15.776 THEM. 05:15.787 --> 05:17.741 >> WITH THE 30 SECONDS OR SO WE 05:17.752 --> 05:20.531 HAVE LEFT, WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT 05:20.565 --> 05:22.380 IN THE SURRENDER PROCESS? 05:22.391 --> 05:24.804 >> SO ARI, NEXT FRIDAY, AUGUST 05:24.815 --> 05:27.002 25th, BY 12:00, YOU HAVE TO TURN 05:27.013 --> 05:28.029 YOURSELF IN, ACCORDING TO FANI 05:28.063 --> 05:28.446 WILLIS. 05:28.457 --> 05:30.478 IF YOU DON’T DO SO, THE ARREST 05:30.479 --> 05:32.206 WARRANTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN 05:32.240 --> 05:33.548 ISSUED IN THIS CASE REMAIN 05:33.549 --> 05:34.786 STANDING WHICH ALSO MEANS IF 05:34.787 --> 05:36.215 YOU’RE CAUGHT, YOU’RE GOING TO 05:36.216 --> 05:37.737 GO TO JAIL PEPDING GETTING IN 05:37.748 --> 05:39.567 FRONT OF A JUDGE TO EXPLAIN WHY 05:39.601 --> 05:40.805 YOU DIDN’T SHOW UP LIKE YOU WERE 05:40.806 --> 05:41.504 SUPPOSED TO. 05:41.505 --> 05:44.356 THE REALLY COMPLICATED THING IS 05:44.357 --> 05:46.007 THE ARRAIGNMENTS FOR ALL THESE 05:46.018 --> 05:46.535 PARTICULAR DEFENDANTS. 05:46.569 --> 05:48.468 DO YOU SURRENDER AND BE 05:48.470 --> 05:49.915 ARRAIGNED AT THE SAME TIME. 05:49.926 --> 05:50.989 DONALD TRUMP ALREADY HAS LOCAL 05:51.000 --> 05:52.294 COUNSEL IN PLAY. 05:52.329 --> 05:54.586 HE DOESN’T HAVE AN EXCUSE THAT 05:54.587 --> 05:56.744 HE HAS TO DELAY IN ANY WAY HIS 05:56.755 --> 05:57.930 SURRENDER AND ARRAIGNMENT 05:57.941 --> 05:59.513 BECAUSE HE NEEDS LOCAL COUNSEL. 05:59.524 --> 06:01.306 WE’RE GOING TO SEE A PARADE OF 06:01.341 --> 06:02.882 PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE 06:02.883 --> 06:03.676 COURTHOUSE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT 06:03.687 --> 06:04.091 FRIDAY. 06:04.125 --> 06:05.967 >> YEAH, WHICH WILL KEEP 06:05.968 --> 06:07.333 EVERYONE BUSY. 06:07.344 --> 06:10.140 KATIE PHANG, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 06:10.142 --> 06:10.822 APPRECIATE IT. 06:10.833 --> 06:12.697 >> HOW DID WE GET HERE INIT 06:12.708 --> 06:15.184 STARTED WITH THE JANUARY 6th 06:15.218 --> 06:16.228 COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATION. 06:16.239 --> 06:17.655 THAT ADVANCED THINGS THAT DOJ 06:17.657 --> 06:19.215 AND OTHERS MAY NOT HAVE HAD ON 06:19.226 --> 06:19.947 THE RADAR. 06:19.949 --> 06:21.155 THIS NEW INDICTMENT USES AND 06:21.157 --> 06:21.661 ADVANCES THAT MATERIAL.