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GOOD EVENING FROM NEW YORK.

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I’M CHRIS HAYES.

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TONIGHT WE ARE PROCESSING THE

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AFTERMATH OF THE LATEST

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SWEEPING INDICTMENT OF DONALD

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TRUMP, DELIVERED BY A GEORGIA

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GRAND JURY LESS THAN 24 HOURS

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AGO, ANNOUNCED LAST EVENING.

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FULTON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY

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FANI WILLIS ACCUSES THE EX

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PRESIDENT OF BEING INVOLVED IN

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A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE TO

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REVERSE THE 2020 ELECTION

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RESULTS UNDER THE STATES

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RACKETEERING LAW.

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IN A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST

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NIGHT, WILLIS SAID SHE WILL

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SEEK A SPEEDY TRIAL AND A START

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DATE WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS

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AND IF DONALD TRUMP MUST TURN

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HIMSELF INTO THE AUTHORITIES IN

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FULTON COUNTY BY THE END OF

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NEXT WEEK AS WILL HIS 18

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INDICTED COCONSPIRATORS.

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SO THIS IS NOW THE FOURTH

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INDICTMENT OF THE EX PRESIDENT

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IN A LITTLE OVER FOUR MONTHS.

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IT BRINGS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF

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FELONY CHARGES HE FACES TWO 91.

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AS THE FOLKS THAT INSIDER NOTED,

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BEFORE DONALD TRUMP THE AVERAGE

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NUMBER OF FELONIES CHARGED FOR

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THE PRESIDENT UNITED STATES WAS

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ZERO.

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AFTER THE GEORGIA INDICTMENT

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IT’S UP TO 1.9 INDICTMENTS FOR

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PRAYERS PER PRESIDENT AVERAGED

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ACROSS ALL 35 MEN.

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DON TRUMP HAS THE ROOMMATE

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PROBLEM.

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WHEN YOU HAVE A FRIEND WHO

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COMPLAINS ABOUT THEIR BAN

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ROOMMATE AND THEN THEY GET A

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NEW ROOMMATE AND THEY KEEP

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COMPLAINING AND THEN THE THIRD

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ROOMMATE, WHO WAS ALSO

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APPARENTLY TERRIBLE, UNTIL

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YOU’RE FORCED TO CONCLUDE THAT

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IT IS YOUR FRIEND WHO IS IN

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FACT THE BAD ROOMMATE.

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ANY RATIONAL PERSON WOULD HAVE

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TO CONCLUDE THAT IT IS FAR MORE

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LIKELY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE

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BAD ROOMMATE, THE CEREAL

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WRONGDOER, THAN WHAT HE CLAIMS,

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WHICH IS THAT THE WHOLE WORLD

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IS OUT TO GET HIM.

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BUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT

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HIM, THE PARTY, REPUBLICAN

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ALLIES, WILL NOT STATE THAT

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OBVIOUS TRUTH.

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SO INSTEAD EVERY TIME HE

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COMMITS A NEW OFFENSE OR HE

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GETS CHARGED WITH COMMITTING AN

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OFFENSE WE ALL ALREADY KNOW,

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THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH A

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PAINFUL NEW FORM OF SOME OF

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PLEADING.

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IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO

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DONALD TRUMP’S FIRST

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IMPEACHMENT AFTER HE WAS CAUGHT

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RED-HANDED TO EXTORT OF FOREIGN

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LEADER IN MANUFACTURING DIRT ON

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HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT UNTIL

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THE ELECTION.

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THAT’S WHY REPUBLICANS CLAIM IT

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SHOULD BE UP TO THE VOTERS TO

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JUDGE HIM IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

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>> REMOVING REMOVING THE

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PRESENTS NOT A LAST RESORT.

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WE HAVE AN ELECTION NOVEMBER,

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WHICH IS A FAR BETTER AND A LOT

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LESS DAMAGING REMEDY.

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>> THAT DECISION NEEDS TO BE

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MADE BY THE VOTERS.

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>> I WOULD SAY LET THE VOTERS

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DECIDE.

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>> WELL, WE DID.

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WE LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

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AND THEY VOTED HIM OUT BY 5

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MILLION VOTES.

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AND THEN, AFTER HE WAS VOTED

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OUT, DON TRUMP CONCOCTED A

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SCHEME TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN

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CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

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HE INCITED A VIOLENT

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INSURRECTION AT THE CAPITAL

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WHICH LED TO HIS SECOND

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IMPEACHMENT.

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SENATE REPUBLICANS MANAGED TO

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DELAY THAT SECOND IMPEACHMENT

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TRIAL UNTIL AFTER TRUMP LEFT

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OFFICE.

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THEN THEY SAID WHERE HE WAS NO

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LONGER PRESIDENT IT MADE NO

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SENSE TO IMPEACH HIM.

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SEE HOW THAT WORKS?

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LET SOMEONE ELSE DEAL WITH IT.

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>> WE HAVE NO POWER TO CONVICT

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AND DISQUALIFY A FORMER

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OFFICEHOLDER WHO IS NOW A

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PRIVATE CITIZEN.

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WE HAVE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE

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SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY.

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WE HAVE CIVIL LITIGATION.

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AND FORMER PRESIDENTS ARE NOT

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IMMUNE FROM BEING ACCOUNTABLE

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BY EITHER ONE.

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>> SO FIRST IMPEACHMENT WHAT

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THE VOTERS DECIDE, WE LET THE

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VOTERS DECIDE, HE TRIES TO FORM

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A COUP BUT IT’S TOO LATE

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BECAUSE HE’S NO LONGER

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PRESIDENT SO LET THE COURTS

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SORT HIM OUT.

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SO THE SPECIAL PLEADING BY

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REPUBLICANS CAN YOU CONTINUED

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AND FOR CRIMINAL INDICTMENT AS

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A COURT STARTED TO SORT THINGS

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OUT.

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WHEN MANHATTAN DISTRICT

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ATTORNEY ALVIN BRAGG CHARGE

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TRUMP WITH THE HUSH BUNNY MONEY

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PAYMENTS IN 2016 THEY JUST SAID

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HE WAS A ROGUE LOCAL PROSECUTOR

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OUT TO GET TRUMP FOR SOMETHING

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THAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.

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BUT WHEN THE PRESIDENT EX

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PRESIDENT WAS CAUGHT WITH BOXES

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OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, THEY

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SAID THE NATIONAL PROSECUTOR,

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NOT A LOCAL PROSECUTOR, BUT

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THIS WAS THE JUSTICE PART BEING

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WEAPONIZED BY JOE BIDEN.

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WHAT ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S GARAGE?

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AND WHEN THAT SAME SPECIAL

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COUNSEL JACK SMITH BROUGHT THE

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SECOND FEDERAL INDICTMENT

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AGAINST TRUMP FOR TRYING TO

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STEAL THE 2020 ELECTION, THEY

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SAID HE WAS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY

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THE EX PRESIDENTS FIRST

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AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

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NOW THAT HE’S BEEN PROSECUTED

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IN GEORGIA UNDER THE

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RACKETEERING STATUTE, NOT THE

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WEAPONIZED BIDEN JUSTICE

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DEPARTMENT, NOW WE’RE BACK TO

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ANOTHER ROGUE PROSECUTOR GOING

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AFTER HIM FOR POLITICAL REASONS

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FOR POLITICAL JURISDICTION.

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WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER

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IT’S LUDICROUS.

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IT’S OBVIOUSLY PLAINLY REVERSE

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ENGINEERED AROUND DEFENDING

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DONALD TRUMP OVERALL ELSE.

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WE KNOW THAT.

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THE PEOPLE OFFERING THESE

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DEFENDANT DEFENSES KNOW THAT.

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TO LINDSEY GRAHAM TODAY BROUGHT

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BACK AN OLD HEAD.

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LET THE VOTERS TO.

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>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN

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DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT HIM TO

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BE PRESIDENT OR NOT.

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THEY SHOULD BE DECIDED AT THE

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BALLOT BOX, NOT A BUNCH OF

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LIBERAL JURISDICTIONS TRYING TO

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PUT THE MAN IN JAIL.

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>> THE VOTERS DID CHOOSE.

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THEY CHOSE.

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I WAS THERE.

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I COVERED IT.

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YOU ARE THERE TO, LINDSEY, IN

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2020, AND THEN DONALD TRUMP

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UNLEASHED A MOB TO BASH IN THE

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BRAINS OF THE CAPITOL POLICE

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AND ERECTED GALLOWS TO CALL FOR

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MIKE PENCE TO BE HANGED.

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WHICH HE WASN’T, LUCKILY.

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AS RIDICULOUS IS THIS ALL SEEM,

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THOSE ARE IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE

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HERE.

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THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE WE TIP

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THE FOUNDATIONAL LITTLE.

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IT’S BEST EMBODIED IN AN OFF

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THE COURT LOG, AHMAUD MONOLOGUE

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THAT COMES FROM A POLITICAL

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SCIENCE BLOG, IT GOES LIKE THIS,

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CONSERVATISM CONSISTS OF ONE

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PROPOSITION, THERE MUST BE IN

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GROUPS WHO THE LAW PROTECTS BUT

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DOES NOT BIND, ALONGSIDE OUR

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GROUPS ON THE LAW BINDS BUT

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DOES NOT PROTECT.

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IT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH

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ANOTHER SAYING, ANOTHER WAY OF

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SAYING WHICH IS OFTEN

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ATTRIBUTED TO LATIN AMERICAN

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DICTATORS GOES LIKE THIS, FOR

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MY FRIENDS, EVERYTHING, FOR MY

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ENEMIES, THE LAW.

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THE CORE IDEA HERE, WHICH

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ANIMATES ALL THE DEFENSES FOR

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DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FRANKLY

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PATHETIC LACKEYS, IS THAT THERE

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IS NO SUCH THING IS DEMOCRATIC

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QUALITY IN THE LAW.

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THAT’S A FICTION.

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OR LUDICROUS LEE NAIVE OR NOT

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EVEN DESIRABLE.

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NO, THAT’S NOT WHAT IS THE

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REALITY OR SOMETHING WE SHOULD

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WANT.

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WHAT WE SHOULD WANT AND WHAT

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THERE IS ARE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD

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BE IN POWER AND THEY CAN DO

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WHATEVER THEY WANT TO THE OTHER

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PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO

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THAT POWER.

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AND IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SIDE OF

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THE LINE YOU’RE ON.

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FANI WILLIS AND ALVIN BRAGG,

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WHO THE PRESIDENT CALLS RACIST,

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YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHY, JACK

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SMITH, THEY’RE THE WRONG KIND

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OF PEOPLE.

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THEY DON’T GET THE POWER TO

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PROSECUTE TRUMP.

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THE LAW SHOULD NOT BE IN THEIR

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HANDS.

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THE LAW SHOULD NOT PROTECT

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THEM.

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THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO

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WIELD THE LAW.

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DONALD TRUMP, WELL, HE

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REPRESENTS THE RIGHT KIND OF

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PEOPLE WHO THE LAW SHOULD NEVER

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TOUCH.

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THE LAW SHOULD BE IN HIS HANDS

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AND HE CAN DO WITH IT WHATEVER

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HE WANTS.

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THERE IS NO VALUE NEUTRAL SENSE

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OF EQUAL JUSTICE.

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NONE OF IT.

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IT IS CYNICISM ALL THE WAY

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DOWN.

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IT’S THE CORE CONTENTION OF

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AUTHORITARIANISM, OF DEMOCRATIC

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RIGHT-WING REACTIONS THROUGH

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LITERALLY THE CENTURIES.

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GOING BACK AND IT’S THE CORE

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CONTENTION OF DONALD TRUMP

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HIMSELF WHO HATES DEMOCRACY AND

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HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF CLEAR

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ABOUT THAT, IT’S THE CORE

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CONTENTION THAT ANIMATED THE

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SACK OF THE CAPITOL, THE CORE

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CONTENTION THAT ANIMATES ALL

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OUR POLITICS AT THIS MOMENT.

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IS THERE REALLY SUCH THING AS

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DEMOCRATIC REALITY?

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AS DEMOCRATIC EQUALITY?

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ARE WE ALL REALLY EQUAL UNDER

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THE EYES OF THE LAW.

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IS THAT HOW IT IS, AND IS THAT

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HOW IT SHOULD BE?

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OR IS THERE A GROUP OF PEOPLE

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WHO GET AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH

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AN IRON FIST, IF THEY’RE IN THE

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MINORITY BECAUSE THE POWER

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BELONGS TO THEM IN SOME DEEPER

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SENSE?

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THAT LATTER PROPOSITION IS WHAT