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EARLY" ON THIS BUSY, BUSY

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TUESDAY MORNING, A JAM-PACKED

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"MORNING JOE" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON.

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>> GOOD EVENING.

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>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

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>> DONALD TRUMP WAS ARRAIGNED ON

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A NEW YORK SUPREME COURT

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INDICTMENT.

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>> THE CITIZENS IN THE SOUTHERN

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DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, HERE IN THE

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DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

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>> A FULTON COUNTY GRAND JURY

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RETURNED A TRUE BILL OF

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INDICTMENT.

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>> 34 FELONY COUNTS OF

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FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS.

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>> WITH FELONY VIOLATIONS OF OUR

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NATIONAL SECURITY LAWS,

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CONSPIRING TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED

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STATES.

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>> CRIMINAL RACKETEERING

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ENTERPRISE TO OVERTURN GEORGIA’S

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PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT.

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>> WE TODAY UPHOLD OUR SOLEMN

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RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT

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EVERYONE STANDS EQUAL BEFORE THE

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LAW.

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>> WE HAVE ONE SET OF LAWS IN

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THIS COUNTRY, AND THEY APPLY TO

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EVERYONE THEIR EVIDENCE CAN BE

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TESTED IN COURT AND JUDGED BY A

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JURY OF CITIZEN SDPGS WE LOOK AT

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THE FACT, WE LOOK AT THE LAW AND

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WE BRING CHARGES.

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>> FOR THE FOURTH TIME IN AS

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MANY MONTHS DONALD TRUMP, THE

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FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

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STATES, IS FACING A CRIMINAL

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INDICTMENT.

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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO

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"MORNING JOE."

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IT IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 15th.

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LET’S DIVE RIGHT INTO THE LATEST

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INDICTMENT FOR THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT.

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THE CHARGES ARE FROM FULTON

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COUNTY, GEORGIA, WHERE TRUMP AND

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18 OTHERS WERE NAMED IN A

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SWEEPING 41-COUNT INDICTMENT

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TARGETING ALLEGED ATTEMPTS TO

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OVERTURN THE STATE’S 2020

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ELECTION RESULTS, FULTON COUNTY

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DISTRICT ATTORNEY FANI WILLIS

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ANNOUNCED THE CHARGES JUST

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BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

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>> THE STATE’S ROLE IN THIS

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PROCESS IS ESSENTIAL TO THE

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FUNCTIONING OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

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GEORGIA LIKE EVERY STATE HAS

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LAWS THAT ALLOW THOSE WHO

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BELIEVE THAT RESULTS OF AN

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ELECTION ARE WRONG, WHETHER

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BECAUSE OF INTENTIONAL

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WRONGDOING OR UNINTENTIONAL

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ERROR TO CHALLENGE THOSE RESULTS

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IN OUR STATE COURTS.

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THE INDICTMENT ALLEGES THAT

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RATHER THAN ABIDE BY GEORGIA’S

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LEGAL PROCESS FOR ELECTION

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CHALLENGES, THE DEFENDANTS

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ENGAGED IN A CRIMINAL

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RACKETEERING ENTERPRISE TO

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OVERTURN GEORGIA’S PRESIDENTIAL

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ELECTION RESULT.

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>> THE INDICTMENT CHARGED UNDER

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GEORGIA’S ANTI-RACKETEERING LAW

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ACCUSES THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND

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HIS ALLIES OF RUNNING A CRIMINAL

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ORGANIZATION, THAT QUOTE

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KNOWINGLY AND WILLFULLY JOINED A

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CONSPIRACY TO UNLAWFULLY CHANGE

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THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION IN

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FAVOR OF TRUMP.

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DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILLIS SAID

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SHE WOULD GIVE ALL DEFENDANTS

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UNTIL AUGUST 25th TO TURN

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THEMSELVES IN AND WOULD PUSH TO

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GO TO TRIAL WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

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THE INDICTMENT CHARGES TRUMP

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WITH 13 FELONY COUNTS AND THEY

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ARE VIOLATION OF THE GEORGIA

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RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT

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ORGANIZATIONS ACT OR RICO, THREE

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COUNTS OF SOLICITATION OF

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VIOLATION OF OATH BY A PUBLIC

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OFFICER, TWO COUNTS OF

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CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FALSE

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STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS, TWO

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COUNTS OF CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT

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FORGERY IN THE FIRST DEGREE, TWO

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COUNTS OF FALSE STATEMENTS AND

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WRITINGS, CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT

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IMPERSONATING A PUBLIC OFFICER,

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CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FILING

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FALSE DOCUMENTS AND FILING FALSE

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DOCUMENTS.

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MANY OF TRUMP’S ALLIES WERE ALSO

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CHARGED WITH VARIOUS CRIMES

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INCLUDING TRUMP’S FORMER

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PERSONAL ATTORNEYS RUDY GIULIANI

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AND JOHN EASTMAN, FORMER CHIEF

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OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS, FORMER

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JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL

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JEFFREY CLARK, KENNETH

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CREASEBORO, FORMER MEMBERS OF

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TRUMP’S 2020 LEGAL TEAM, JENNA

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ELLIS, GIULIANI, EASTMAN, CLARK

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AND POWELL ARE ALSO ALLEGEDLY

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CO-CONSPIRATORS LISTED IN

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SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH’S

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INDICTMENT OF TRUMP IN THE 2020

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ELECTION CASE IN D.C.

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JOINING THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE

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U.S. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT FOR

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BBC NEWS, KATTY KAY, THE HOST OF

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"WAY TOO EARLY," JONATHAN

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LEMIRE, EUGENE ROBINSON, FORMER

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U.S. ATTORNEY AND SENIOR FBI

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OFFICIAL CHUCK ROSENBERG, FORMER

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U.S. ATTORNEY AND MSNBC LEGAL

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ANALYST JOYCE VANCE AND

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POLITICAL REPORTER FOR "THE

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ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION"

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GREG BLUESTEIN.

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JOE, THIS HAPPENED OVERNIGHT.

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THE INDICTMENT IS ALMOST 100

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PAGES LONG, AND SOME REPUBLICANS

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WERE QUICK TO JUMP IN FRONT OF

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CAMERAS AND MAKE RIDICULOUS

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PARALLELS TO THIS.

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>> WELL, IT’S BECAUSE THEY’RE

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STILL PLAYING THE GAME OF

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POLITICS, AND THEY SOMEHOW

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MISSED THE MEMO MONTHS AGO THAT

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THIS HAS TURNED FROM A POLITICAL

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FATHER SAID, A POLITICAL CHARADE

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INTO A DEADLY SERIOUS LEGAL

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ISSUE.

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REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE

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INDICTMENTS ARE, SO THEY CAN LIE

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ALL THEY WANT, THEY CAN TRY TO

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PUFF UP SMOKE, THEY CAN TALK

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ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN AS WE’VE SAID

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BEFORE.

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HUNTER BIDEN WILL BE JUDGED.

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HE’LL BE JUDGED IN A COURT OF

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LAW, AND HE’LL BE JUDGED BY A

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JURY AND HOWEVER THAT JURY RULES

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WILL BE HOW THINGS ARE

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DETERMINED.

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SO TED CRUZ AND THE REST OF THEM

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CAN HUFF AND PUFF AND TRY TO

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BLOW THE HOUSE DOWN BUT DOESN’T

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CHANGE A DAMP IN THING ABOUT

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DONALD TRUMP’S FUTURE.

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IT RESTS WHETHER HE’S IN JAIL

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FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE OR A

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FREE MAN, IT DOESN’T REST ON

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TRUTH SOCIAL.

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IT RESTS IN A JURY BOX.

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AND THAT’S GOING TO BE IN FOUR

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DIFFERENT JURY BOXES NOW.

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JOYCE VANCE, YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM

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WHAT YOU SAW IN GEORGIA LAST

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NIGHT?

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>> WELL, JOE, IT’S A BROAD AND A

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SWEEPING INDICTMENT AS WE’VE ALL

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BEEN DISCUSSING, SOMETHING THAT

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I’M INTRIGUED BY IS THE

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APPEARANCE AT LEAST 89 TIMES IN

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THE INDICTMENT OF THE PHRASE

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"UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR," AND

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PROSECUTORS LIKE CHUCK AND ME,

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WHEN YOU SEE THAT IN AN

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INDICTMENT, YOU BEGIN TO WONDER

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IF THERE’S COOPERATION GOING ON

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BECAUSE THAT SUGGESTS THAT THE

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GRAND JURY AT LEAST KNOWS ABOUT

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THESE FOLKS, MAY HAVE HEARD FROM

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THEM AND THEY APPEAR IN KEY

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JUNCTURES.

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THERE’S A MENTION OF AN

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UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR ON

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JANUARY 6th AND JANUARY 7 AS

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SIDNEY POWELL AND ILLEGALLY

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ACCESSES VOTING MACHINES IN THAT

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FRIENDLY COUNTY THAT IS

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REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED.

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THERE’S MENTION OF UNINDICTED

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CO-CONSPIRATORS IN WHITE HOUSE

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MEETINGS IN LATE DECEMBER WHEN

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OBSTRUCTION OF THE ELECTORAL

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COUNT IS DISCUSSED AND IT’S BEEN

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DIFFICULT FOR PROSECUTORS WHO

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HAVE INVESTIGATED TRUMP TO GET

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INSIDER COOPERATION IN THE PAST.

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BOTH IN CASES LIKE THIS ONE THAT

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ARE RELATED TO THE ELECTION AND

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IN CASES RELATED TO HIS OTHER

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DEALINGS, HE MAINTAINS FIERCE

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LOYALTY IN THOSE AROUND HIM.

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IF THAT BUBBLE HAS BURST AND

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THERE ARE UNINDICTED

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CO-CONSPIRATORS WHO ARE

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COOPERATING WILLIS MAY FLIP SOME

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OF THESE FOLKS INDICTED

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ALONGSIDE TRUMP AND BE ABLE TO

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PRESENT A FIRSTHAND VERY

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DETAILED PICTURE OF THIS CONDUCT

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TO THE JURY THAT ULTIMATELY

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HEARS THE CASE AGAINST DONALD

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TRUMP.

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>> CHUCK ROSENBERG, I’M CURIOUS,

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THE DEFENDANTS HAVE TEN DAYS TO,

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QUOTE, TURN THEMSELVES IN.

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WHAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IN

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GEORGIA IN TERMS OF PROCESS?

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WHAT WILL YOU BE LOOKING FOR

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THERE AND OVERALL, WHAT STANDS

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OUT TO YOU IN THIS NEARLY

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100-PAGE INDICTMENT?

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>> FIRST, I AGREE WITH JOYCE,

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WHICH IS ALWAYS A SAFE POSITION,

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BROAD AND SWEEPING INDICTMENT

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AND THE NUMBER OF UNINDICTED

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CO-CONSPIRATORS, MIKA, AS JOYCE

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REFERRED TO IS TELLING.

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THE OTHER THING THAT’S REALLY

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INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT THE

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FEDS TOOK A VERY DIFFERENT

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APPROACH TO THEIR ELECTION

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INTERFERENCE CASE.

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MR. TRUMP WAS THE LONE DEFENDANT

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IN THE FEDERAL CASE IN D.C. WITH

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SIX UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATORS.

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HERE HE IS 1 OF 19 CO-DEFENDANTS

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WITH 30 UNINDICTED

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CO-CONSPIRATORS.

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I DON’T MEAN TO SUGGEST ONE IS

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WRONG OR ONE IS RIGHT.

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THEY BOTH MAY SUCCEED.

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I SUSPECT THEY WILL.
A POINT JOE MADE WHICH I THINK

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A POINT JOE MADE WHICH I THINK

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IS REALLY IMPORTANT LOTS OF

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PEOPLE WILL SAY LOTS OF THINGS

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AND FOLKS LIKE SENATOR CRUZ, I

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DON’T MEAN TO PICK ON HIM BUT HE

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SORT OF VOLUNTEERED.

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WHAT THEY SAY HAS NO MEANING.

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THERE WILL BE FOUR TRIALS UNLESS

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HE PLEADS GUILTY AND THAT MEANS

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THERE WILL BE 48 PEOPLE, FOUR

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SETS OF JURIES, 12 PEOPLE ON

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EACH JURY WHO WILL DETERMINE

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WHETHER OR NOT THESE CHARGES ARE

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VALID.

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THAT’S IT.

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IT’S NOT GOING TO BE ME.

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IT’S NOT GOING TO BE SENATOR

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CRUZ.

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IT’S NOT GOING TO BE ANYONE

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ELSE.

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WE WON’T QUALIFY FOR ANY OF

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THESE JURIES, 48 PEOPLE IN FOUR

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JURISDICTIONS WILL DECIDE.

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PROSECUTORS DON’T PUT WORDS IN

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AN INDICTMENT UNLESS THEY CAN

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PROVE IT.

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SO ASSUMING THEY CAN PROVE IT,

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MR. TRUMP IS IN A LOT OF

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TROUBLE, SO ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF

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OTHER PEOPLE TOO.

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THAT’S ONE OF THE STRIKING

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THINGS ABOUT THIS NEWEST

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INDICTMENT, THE BREADTH AND AS

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JOYCE SAID, THE SWEEPING NATURE

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AND THE NUMBER OF THOSE CHARGED

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IS FASCINATING AND COMPLICATES