>>> THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL FIELD
COULD BE GETTING A BIT MORE
CROWDED.
THAT’S BECAUSE SENATOR JOE
MANCHIN IS NOT RULING OUT A
THIRD PARTY RUN NEXT YEAR.
THE WEST VIRGINIA DEMOCRAT TELLS
NBC NEWS THAT HE IS NOT TAKING
ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE.
MANCHIN JOINED FORMER REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR JON HUNTSMAN IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE YESTERDAY.
ALONG WITH THE GROUP, NO LABELS,
WHICH IS LAYING THE GROUNDWORK
TO FIELD A THIRD PARTY
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
JOINING US LIVE FROM MANCHESTER,
NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT VAUGHN
HILLYARD.
YOU SPOKE TO BOTH MANCHIN AND
HUNTSMAN.
NOT ONLY WHAT DID THEY TELL YOU
ABOUT A POTENTIAL 2024
PRESIDENTIAL BID, BECAUSE,
OBVIOUSLY, THEY’RE DOING
SOMETHING LEANING TOWARD THAT,
WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?
>> Reporter: RIGHT.
MIKA, LET’S LAY THE GROUNDWORK
FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS NOT TUNED
IN TO NO LABELS AT THIS POINT.
IT IS TIME TO DO IT.
THIS IS NOT SOME, YOU KNOW,
ORGANIZATION THAT IS SPENDING A
COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS ON
MAILERS OR CAMPAIGN FLYERS.
THIS IS A GROUP THAT IS ABOUT AT
ITS $70 MILLION WAR CHEST THAT
THEY AIM TO CREATE.
THAT IS WHAT THIS GROUP IS.
THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 13
YEARS.
THEY ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE
PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS IN
CONGRESS, AND THIS TIME, THEY’RE
GETTING INVOLVED IN PRESIDENTIAL
POLITICS AND WILL POTENTIALLY
PUT FORWARD A BIPARTISAN TICKET,
ONE THAT INCLUDES A REPUBLICAN
AND A DEMOCRAT.
LAST NIGHT WAS A NOTABLE STEP
FOR THIS OIGRGANIZATION, BECAUSE
THEY WENT OUT ON WHAT YOU CAN
CALL THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
IN THEIR MIDDLE OF THE EFFORTS
TO QUALIFY FOR THE BALLOT IN ALL
50 STATE, THEY WENT OUT IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE ALONGSIDE NOT ONLY JON
HUNTSMAN
HUNTSMAN, THE FORMER U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO CHINA AND FORMER
GOVERNOR OF UTAH, BUT JOE
MANCHIN, ARGUABLY THE MOST
INFLUENTIAL MEMBER OF THE U.S.
SENATE RIGHT NOW.
HEAR PART OF MY CONVERSATION
WITH BOTH MEN.
>> DON’T YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS
COUNTRY IS AS DIVIDED AS THEY
WANT TO MANGE MAIKKE YOU BELIEVE
WASHINGTON IS DIVIDED, MAKING
YOU PICK A SIDE.
THERE’S ONE SIDE, THE AMERICAN
SIDE.
THAT’S WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
>> Reporter: SO IF YOU BELIEVE
THAT, IF THAT’S WHERE THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC IS, WOULD YOU BE
OPEN TO RUNNING FOR A THIRD
PARTY TICKET?
>> LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
MAYBE THEY’LL COME TO THEIR
SENSES AND START DOING THE JOB
THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO.
>> FOR US TO DO THE SAME OLD
THING IS LIKE A LITTLE BIT
INSANE.
>> Reporter: COULD A BIPARTISAN
TICKET WORK?
>> I THINK, EVENTUALLY, THERE
COULD BE THAT POSSIBILITIES,
ONCE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
FRUSTRATED ENOUGH WITH THE
STATUS QUO THAT ISN’T WORKING.
THAT’S GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: IS 2024 THAT
OPPORTUNITY?
>> DON’T KNOW.
>> Reporter: OF COURSE, JOE
MANCHIN TOLD ME THAT HE WILL NOT
MAKE HIS DECISION ON WHETHER TO
MOUNT THIS NO LABELS
PRESIDENTIAL RUN UNTIL NEXT
YEAR.
THE THREAD OF A JOE MANCHIN
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDACY AGAINST
THE LEADER, PRESIDENT BIDEN OF
HIS OWN PARTY, WILL BE OUT THERE
FOR AT LEAST SIX MORE MONTHS, WE
SHOULD EXPECT.
OF COURSE, THE OTHER CONCERN
FROM NATIONAL DEMOCRATS WHO I
TALK TO IS THE FACT THAT COULD A
JOE MANCHIN CANDIDACY
POTENTIALLY SIPHON OFF VOTES
FROM THE LIKES OF THE DEMOCRATIC
NOMINEE, JOE BIDEN, AND HELP
BOOST THE TRUMP CANDIDACY?
>> RIGHT.
>> THERE’S A LOT OF VARIABLES AT
PLAY, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE DON’T
KNOW IF JOE MANCHIN IS GOING TO
DO IT, AND WE DON’T KNOW WHO THE
REPUBLICAN, JON HUNTSMAN OR
SOMEBODY ELSE?
THERE’S A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS
AS THIS GROUP PREPARES TO PUT
ITSELF ON THE BALLOT ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
>> NBC’S VAUGHN HILLYARD LIVE IN
MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JOE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO ME,
THAT SEEMED A LITTLE TOO
OBVIOUSLY COY ON THE PART OF
MANCHIN AND HUNTSMAN.
AT THE SAME TIME, NO LABELS
COULD PLAY A PRETTY HUGE ROLE IN
2024.
>> I MEAN, THEY COULD.
IT MAY NOT GO EXACTLY THE WAY
PEOPLE ARE THINKING IT MAY GO.
I MEAN, NO LABELS MAY HAVE A
VARIETY OF PLANS, A VARIETY OF
OPTIONS.
THEY MAY HAVE A NATIONAL TICKET,
OR THEY MAY HAVE INDIVIDUAL
TICKETS.
THEY COULD HAVE CONSERVATIVE
TICKETS IN SWING STATES.
THEY COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIZ
CHENEY AND A CONSERVATIVE
DEMOCRAT, AND PUT THEM IN
BALLOTS IN SWING STATES THAT
MIGHT DISPROPORTIONATELY HURT
DONALD TRUMP.
THEY COULD ALSO HAVE SEVERAL
OTHER OPTIONS.
THEY COULD HAVE A NATIONAL
TICKET, THAT TICKET THERE WOULD
HURT JOE BIDEN.
SO, AGAIN, WE DON’T KNOW YET, SO
NO NEED TO SUFFER TWICE.
INSTEAD, LET’S TALK TO NEWSWEEK
EDITOR AT LARGE, TOM ROGERS, AND
REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND
POLITICAL ANALYST SUSAN DEL
PERCIO.
THEY’RE CO-AUTHORS OF, "ONE KEY
WAY TO STOP DONALD TRUMP FROM
BEING OUR NEXT PRESIDENT."
WE’LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A
MINUTE.
FIRST, TOM, HOW DEVASTATING, AS
SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE, HOW
DEVASTATING WOULD A TICKET WITH
JOE MANCHIN AND JON HUNTSMAN BE
TO JOE BIDEN’S OPPORTUNITIES TO
WIN WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN,
PENNSYLVANIA, GEORGIA, ARIZONA?
>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY
DEVASTATING.
THERE’S JUST ABSOLUTELY NO
EVIDENCE THAT A NO LABELS TICKET
LIKE THAT WOULD NOT BE A TOTAL
SPOILER FOR JOE BIDEN OR THE
DEMOCRATS.
THERE JUST HAS NOT BEEN, IN 50
YEARS, A SINGLE ELECTORAL VOTE
THAT HAS BEEN GARNERED BY AN
INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE, EVEN ROSS
PIRRO, WHO GOT 19% OF THE VOTE.
WHAT IT WILL DO, AND THERE IS
EVIDENCE OF THIS, INCLUDING 2016
WITH THE INDEPENDENT VOTE
SIPHONED AWAY FROM HILLARY
CLINTON AND GAVE THE ELECTION TO
DONALD TRUMP IN SWING STATES,
THAT THERE IS JUST NO WAY A
THIRD PARTY TICKET LIKE THAT
ISN’T GOING TO HELP DONALD TRUMP
BE RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT.
>> SUSAN, WE KNOW HOW THIN THE
MARGINS ARE STATE BY STATE, IN
WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN,
PENNSYLVANIA.
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT 10,000,
20,000 VOTES IN SOME CASES.
THAT WOULD REALLY BE ALL IT
COULD TAKE, POTENTIALLY, TO FLIP
ONE OF THOSE STATES TO DONALD
TRUMP.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS,
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY IT
COULD BE A LIZ CHENEY, COULD BE,
YOU KNOW, A STATE BY STATE
CANDIDACY, BUT HERE’S THE
PROBLEM, EVEN IF IT IS A
CONSERVATIVE, IT DOESN’T TAKE
VOTES AWAY FROM DONALD TRUMP.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT TAKES THOSE
SAME REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR
JOE BIDEN BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T
TAKE DONALD TRUMP, IT PUTS THEM
NOT IN THE BIDEN COLUMN, IT PUTS
THEM IN A THIRD PARTY COLUMN.
SO IT JUST HELPS DONALD TRUMP.
WE’VE SEEN IN 2020 HOW THE
TURNOUT WAS THERE FOR BOTH
PARTIES.
SO YOU MESS AROUND WITH THAT 5%