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WE HEAR THE GAVEL.

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WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE

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CHAIRMAN.

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>> THE SELECT COMMITTEE TO

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INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6th A

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ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES

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CAPITOL WILL BE IN ORDER.

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WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE CHAIR IS

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AUTHORIZED TO DECLARE THE

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COMMITTEE IN RECESS AT ANY POINT

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POINT.

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PURSUANT TO HOUSE DEPOSITION

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AUTHORITY REGULATION 10, THE

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CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE COMMITTEE’S

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APPROVAL TO RELEASE THE

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DEPOSITION MATERIAL PRESENTED

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DURING TODAY’S HEARING.

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

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IN OUR LAST HEARING, WE TOLD THE

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STORY OF A SCHEME DRIVEN BY

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DONALD TRUMP TO PRESSURE FORMER

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VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE TO

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ILLEGALLY OVERTURN THE ELECTION

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RESULTS.

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WE SHOWED THAT WHEN THE PRESSURE

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CAMPAIGN FAILED AND MIKE PENCE

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FULFILLED HIS CONSTITUTIONAL

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OBLIGATION, DONALD TRUMP TURNED

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A VIOLENT MOB LOOSE ON HIM.

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WE SHOWED THAT THE MOB CAME

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WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE VICE

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PRESIDENT.

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TODAY WE’LL SHOW WHAT HAPPENED

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TO MIKE PENCE WASN’T AN ISOLATED

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PART OF DONALD TRUMP’S SCHEME TO

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OVERTURN THE ELECTION.

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IN FACT, PRESSURING PUBLIC

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SERVANTS INTO BETRAYING THEIR

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OATHS WAS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF

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THE PLAYBOOK.

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A HANDFUL OF ELECTION OFFICIALS

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IN SEVERAL KEY STATES STOOD

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BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND UP

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ENDING OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

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AS WE BEGIN TODAY, IT’S

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IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHEN WE

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COUNT THE VOTES FOR PRESIDENT,

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WE COUNT THE VOTES STATE BY

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STATE.

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THE CANDIDATES WHO WIN THE POP

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ALREADY VOTE IN THE STATE WINS

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ALL THE STATES ELECTORAL COLLEGE

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VOTES.

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WHOEVER WINS A MAJORITY OF THE

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ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES WINS THE

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PRESIDENCY.

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SO DONALD TRUMP FOCUSED ON JUST

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A FEW STATES.

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HE WANTED OFFICIALS AT THE LOCAL

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AND STATE LEVEL TO SAY THE VOTE

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WAS TAINTED BY FRAUD AND THROW

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OUT THE RESULTS.

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EVEN THOUGH AS WE SHOWED LAST

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WEEK, THERE WASN’T ANY VOTER

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FRAUD THAT COULD HAVE OVERTURNED

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THE ELECTION RESULTS.

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AND LIKE MIKE PENCE, THESE

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PUBLIC SERVANTS WOULDN’T GO

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ALONG WITH DONALD TRUMP’S

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SCHEME.

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WHEN THEY WOULDN’T EMBRACE THE

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BIG LIE AND SUBSTITUTE THE WILL

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OF THE VOTERS WITH DONALD

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TRUMP’S WILL TO REMAIN IN POWER,

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DONALD TRUMP WORKED TO ENSURE

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THEY WOULD FACE THE

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CONSEQUENCES.

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THREATS TO PEOPLE’S LIVELIHOOD

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AND LIVES, THREATS OF VIOLENCE

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THAT DONALD TRUMP KNEW ABOUT AND

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AMPLIFIED, AND IN OUR OTHER

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HEARINGS, WE CAN’T JUST LOOK

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BACK WARD AT WHAT HAPPENED IN

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LATE 2020 AND EARLY 2021 BECAUSE

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THE DANGER HADN’T GONE AWAY.

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OUR DEMOCRACY ENDURED A MIGHTY

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TEST ON JANUARY 6th AND IN THE

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DAYS PFR.

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WE SAY OUR INSTITUTIONS HELD.

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BUT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN?

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DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS AREN’T

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ABSTRACTIONS OR IDEAS.

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THEY ARE LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO

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OVERSEE ELECTIONS.

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SECRETARY OF STATE, PEOPLE WHO

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WHOM WE PLACED OUR TRUST THAT

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THEY WILL CARRY OUT THEIR

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DUTIES.

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TWO WEEKS AGO NEW MEXICO HELD

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ITS PRIMARY ELECTIONS.

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ONE COUNTY COMMISSION REFUSED TO

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CERTIFY THE RESULTS CITING THEY

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UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS DEALING WITH

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VOTING MACHINES.

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THE COURT STEPPED IN SAYING THE

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MEXICO LAW REQUIRED THE

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COMMISSION TO CERTIFY THE

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RESULTS.

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TWO OF THE THREE MEMBERS OF THE

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COMMISSION FINALLY RELENTED.

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ONE STILL REFUSED SAYING HIS

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VOTE, QUOTE, ISN’T BASED ON ANY

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EVIDENCE.

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IT’S NOT BASED ON ANY FACTS.

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IT’S ONLY BASED ON MY GUT

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FEELING AND MY OWN INTUITION AND

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THAT’S ALL I NEED.

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BY THE WAY, A FEW MONTHS AGO,

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THIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS

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FOUND GUILTY OF ILLEGALLY

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ENTERING THE CAPITOL GROUNDS ON

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JANUARY 6th.

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THIS STORY REMINDS US OF A FEW

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THINGS.

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FIRST, AS WE HAVE SHOWN IN OUR

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PREVIOUS HEARINGS, CLAIMS THAT

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WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD TAINTED

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THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

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HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LIE.

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DONALD TRUMP KNEW THEY WERE A

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LIE AND HE KEPT AMPLIFYING THEM

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ANY WAY.

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EVERYTHING WE DESCRIBE TODAY,

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THE RELENTLESS DESTRUCTIVE

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PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON STATE AND

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LOCAL OFFICIALS BASED ON A LIE.

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DONALD TRUMP KNEW IT.

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SECOND, THE LIE HASN’T GONE

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AWAY.

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IT’S CORRUPTING OUR DEMOCRATIC

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INSTITUTIONS.

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PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT LIE ARE

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NOW SEEKING POSITIONS OF PUBLIC

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TRUST AND AS SEEN IN NEW MEXICO,

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THEIR OATH TO THE PEOPLE THEY

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SERVE OR TAKE A BACKSEAT TO

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THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE BIG LIE.

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IF THAT HAPPENS, WHO WILL MAKE

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SURE OUR INSTITUTIONS DON’T

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BREAK UNDER THE PRESSURE.

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WE WON’T HAVE CLOSE CALLS.

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WE’LL HAVE A CATASTROPHE.

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MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE FROM

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CALIFORNIA, MR. SCHIFF, WILL

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PRESENT MUCH OF THE SELECT

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COMMITTEE’S FINDING ON THAT

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MATTER.

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FIRST, I’M PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE

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OUR VICE CHAIR MS. CHENEY OF

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WYOMING FOR ANY OPENING

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STATEMENT SHE’D CHAIRCARE TO OFF

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

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CHAIRMAN.

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TODAY WE WILL BEGIN EXAMINING

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PRESIDENT TRUMP’S EFFORT TO

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OVERTURN THE ELECTION BY

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EXERTING PRESSURE ON STATE

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OFFICIALS AND STATE

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LEGISLATURES.

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DONALD TRUMP HAD A DIRECT AND

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PERSONAL ROLE IN THIS EFFORT A

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AS DID RUDY GIULIANI, AS DID

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JOHN EASTMAN.

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IN OTHER WORDS, THE SAME PEOPLE

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WHO WERE ATTEMPTING TO PRESSURE

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VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE TO

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REJECT ELECTORAL VOTES ILLEGALLY

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WERE ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY WORK

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ING TO REVERSE THE OUTCOME OF

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THE 2020 ELECTION AT THE STATE

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LEVEL.

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EACH OF THESE EFFORTS TO

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OVERTURN THE ELECTION IS

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INDEPENDENTLY SERIOUS.

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EACH DESERVES ATTENTION, BOTH BY

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CONGRESS AND BY OUR DEPARTMENT

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OF JUSTICE.

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BUT A AS A FEDERAL COURT HAS

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ALREADY INDICATED, THESE EFFORTS

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WERE ALSO PART OF A BROADER PLAN

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AND ALL OF THIS WAS DONE IN

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PREPARATION FOR JANUARY 6th.

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I WOULD NOTE TWO POINTS FOR

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PARTICULAR FOCUS TODAY.

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FIRST, TODAY YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT

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CALLS MADE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP TO

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OFFICIALS OF GEORGIA AND OTHER

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STATES.

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AS YOU LISTEN TO THESE TAPES,

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KEEP IN MIND WHAT DONALD TRUMP

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ALREADY KNEW AT THE TIME HE WAS

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MAKING THOSE CALLS.

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HE HAD BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER

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AGAIN THAT HIS STOLEN ELECTION

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ALLEGATIONS WERE NONSENSE.

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FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS WHAT FORMER

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR SAID

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TO PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT

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ALLEGATIONS IN GEORGIA.

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>> WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THIS

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OURSELVES.

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AND BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF IT,

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INCLUDING THE INTERVIEWS OF THE

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KEY WITNESSES, THE FULLTON

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COUNTY DELLEGATIONS HAD NO MERIT

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THE BALLOTS WERE LEGITIMATE.

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THEY WEREN’T IN A SUITCASE.

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THEY HAD BEEN PREOPENED FOR FEED

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FEEDING INTO THE MACHINE.

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ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT THE WATER

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LEAK AND SOME SENT FUJ INVOLVED,

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THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE TO CREATE

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AN OPPORTUNITY TO FEED THINGS

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INTO THE COUNT.

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SO WE DIDN’T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF

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FRAUD IN THE FULLTON COUNTY

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EPISODE.
>> AND ACTING DEPUTY ATTORNEY

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>> AND ACTING DEPUTY ATTORNEY

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GENERAL TOLD DONALD TRUMP THIS.

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WE HAVE DONE HUNDREDS OF INTER

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INTERVIEWS.

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THE MAJOR ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT

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SUPPORTED BY THE EVIDENCE TO

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VOTE.

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>> TRUMP WAS TOLD BY HIS OWN

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ADVISERS THAT HE HAD NO BASIS

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FOR HIS STOLEN ELECTION CLAIMS.

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YET HE CONTINUED TO PRESSURE

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STATE OFFICIALS TO CHANGE THE

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ELECTION RESULTS.

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SECOND, YOU’LL HEAR ABOUT A

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NUMBER OF THREATS AND EFFORTS TO

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PRESSURE STATE OFFICIALS TO

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REVERSE THE ELECTION OUTCOME.

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s ONE WITNESS WARNED PRESIDENT

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TRUMP ABOUT POTENTIAL VIOLENCE.

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MORE THAN A MONTH BEFORE JANUARY

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6th.

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YOU’LL SEE EXCERPTS OF THAT

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TODAY.

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>> IT HAD ALL GONE TOO FAR.

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ALL OF IT.

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JOE ASKED FOR CHRIS KREBS TO BE

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SHOT.

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A 20-SOMETHING TECH TODAY HAS

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DEATH THREATS AND A NOOSE PUT

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OUTSIDE HE SHOULD BE HUNG FOR

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TREE SOB BECAUSE HE WAS

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TRANSFERRING A REPORT ON BATCHES

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FROM AN EMS TO ACCOUNTING

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COMPUTER SO HE COULD READ IT.

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IT HAS TO STOP.

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MR. PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE NOT

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CONDEMNED THESE ACTIONS OR LACK

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WAJ.

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SENATORS, YOU HAVE NOT CONDEMNED

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THIS LANGUAGE OR THESE ACTIONS.

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THIS HAS TO STOP.

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WE NEED YOU TO STEP UP AND IF

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YOU’RE GOING TO TAKE A POSITION

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OF LEADERSHIP, SHOW SOMETHING.

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MY BOSS, HIS ADDRESS IS OUT

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THERE.

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THEY HAVE PEOPLE DOING CARAVANS

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IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

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THEY HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME ON TO

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THEIR PROPERTY.

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IT HAS TO STOP.

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THIS IS ELECTIONS.

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THIS IS A BACKBONE OF DEMOCRACY.

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AND ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT SAID

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A DAMN WORD.

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>> THE POINT IS THIS.

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HE DID NOT CONDEMN THEM.

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HE MADE NO EFFORT.

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HE WENT FORWARD.

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FOR THOSE WAY.

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ING TODAY TO FOCUS ON THE

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EVIDENCE THE COMMITTEE WILL

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PRESENT.

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DON’T BE DISTRACTED BY POLITICS.

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THIS IS SERIOUS.

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WE CANNOT LET AMERICA BECOME

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VIOLENCE.

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FINALLY, I WANT TO THANK OUR

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WITNESSES TODAY.

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FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE TO OUR

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COUNTRY.

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TODAY ALL OF AMERICA WILL HEAR

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ABOUT THE SELFLESS ACTIONS OF

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THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ACTED ON

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OUR LAW, PROTECT OUR FREEDOM AND

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PRESERVE OUR CONSTITUTION.

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TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE’LL ALSO

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SEE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TRULY

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MAKES AMERICA GREAT.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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I YIELD BACK.

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>> WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE CHAIR

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RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM

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CALIFORNIA, MR. SCHIFF, FOR AN

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OPENING STATEMENT.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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ON NOVEMBER 3rd, 2020, DONALD

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TRUMP RAN FOR REELECTION TO THE

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OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY AND HE

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LOST.

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HIS OPPONENT JOE BIDEN FINISHED

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AHEAD IN THE KEY BATTLEGROUND

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STATES OF ARIZONA, MICHIGAN,

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WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA,

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GEORGIA, AND ELSEWHERE.

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THE LOSING PRESIDENTIAL

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CANDIDATE FOUGHT.

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HE DID SO THROUGH A VARIETY OF

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MEANS.

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HE SOUGHT TO STOP THE COUNTING

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OF THE VOTE KNOWING THAT THE

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MILLIONS OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS

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ELECTION OFFICIALS WOULD BE

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COUNTING AND THEREAFTER WOULD

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RUN STRONGLY AGAINST HIM AND

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DELIVER A VICTORY TO JOE BIDEN.

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NEXT, WHEN HE COULD NOT STOP THE

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COUNTING, HE TRIED TO STOP STATE

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LEGISLATURES AND GOVERNMENTORS F

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CERTIFYING THE RESULTS OF THE

12:41.877 --> 12:42.158
ELECTION.

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HE WENT TO COURT AND FILED

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DOZENS OF FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS ON

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CLAIMS OF FRAUD.

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WHEN THAT FAILED, TO GET THEM TO

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GO BACK INTO SESSION AND EITHER

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DECLARE HIM THE WINNER,

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DECERTIFY JOE BIDEN AS THE

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WINNER, OR TO CONGRESS.

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ONE FOR BIDEN AND ONE FOR HIM.

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AND PRESSURE THE VICE PRESIDENT.

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BUT THE STATE LEGISLATURES

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WOULDN’T GO ALONG WITH THIS

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SCHEME.

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AND NEITHER WOULD THE VICE

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PRESIDENT.

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NONE OF THE LEGISLATURES AGREED

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TO GO BACK INTO SPECIAL SESSION

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AND DECLARE HIM THE WIBNNER.

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NO LEGITIMATE STATE AUTHORITY IN

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THE STATES DONALD TRUMP LOST

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WOULD AGREE TO APPOINT FAKE

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TRUMP ELECTORS AND SEND THEM TO

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CONGRESS.

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BUT THIS DIDN’T STOP THE TRUMP

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CAMPAIGN EITHER.

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THEY ASSEMBLED INDIVIDUALS AND

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GOT THEM TO CALL THEMSELVES

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ELECTORS, CREATED PHONEY

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CERTIFICATES ASSOCIATED WITH

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THESE FAKE ELECTORS AND THEN

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TRANSMITTED THEM TO WASHINGTON

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AND TO THE CONGRESS TO BE

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COUNTED DURING THE JOINT SESSION

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OF CONGRESS ON JANUARY 6th.

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NONE OF THIS WORKED.

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BUT ACCORDING TO FEDERAL

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DISTRICT JUDGE DAVID CARTER,

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FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

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OTHERS LIKELY VIOLATED MULTIPLE

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FEDERAL LAWS BY ENGAGING IN THIS

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SCHEME, INCLUDING CONSPIRACY TO

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DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES.

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YOU WILL HEAR EVIDENCE OF THE

14:15.048 --> 14:18.123
FORMER PRESIDENT AND HIS TOP

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ADVISERS DIRECT INVOLVEMENT IN

14:19.348 --> 14:21.130
KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS PLOT FOR

14:21.141 --> 14:25.287
WHAT JUDGE CARTER CALLED A COUP

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IN SEARCH OF A LEGAL THEORY.

14:28.140 --> 14:29.543
FOR AS THE JUDGE EXPLAINED,

14:29.554 --> 14:30.193
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PRESSURE

14:30.204 --> 14:31.876
CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE ELECTORAL

14:31.911 --> 14:33.485
COUNT DID NOT END WITH VICE

14:33.486 --> 14:35.342
PRESIDENT PENCE.

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IT TARGETED EVERY TIER OF

14:38.593 --> 14:40.490
ELECTED OFFICIALS, CONVINCING

14:40.491 --> 14:42.681
STATE LEGISLATURES TO CERTIFY

14:42.692 --> 14:44.483
COMPETING ELECTORS WAS ESSENTIAL

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TO STOP THE COUNT AND ENSURE

14:48.235 --> 14:49.587
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S REELECTION.

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AS WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR PRIOR

14:51.646 --> 14:53.906
HEARINGS, RUNNING THROUGH THIS

14:53.917 --> 14:55.929
SCHEME WAS A BIG LIE THAT THE

14:55.963 --> 14:56.758
ELECTION WAS PLAGUED WITH

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MASSIVE FRAUD AND SOMEHOW

14:59.263 --> 15:00.591
STOLEN.

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YOU’LL REMEMBER WHAT THE

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PRESIDENT’S OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL

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BILL BARR SAID HE TOLD THE

15:06.308 --> 15:07.480
PRESIDENT ABOUT THESE CLAIMS OF

15:07.481 --> 15:10.986
MASSIVE FRAUD AFFECTING THE

15:10.997 --> 15:14.229
OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.

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>> I TOLD HIM THAT THE STUFF

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THAT HIS PEOPLE WERE SHUTTLING

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OUT TO THE PUBLIC WERE BS.

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>> THE PRESIDENT’S LIE WAS, AND

15:29.253 --> 15:31.867
IS, A DANGEROUS CABS ERER ON THE

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BODY POLITIC.

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IF YOU CAN CONVINCE AMERICANS

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THEY CANNOT TRUST THEIR OWN

15:35.677 --> 15:38.136
ELECTIONS, AT NEW TIME THEY

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LOSE, IT’S ILLEGITIMATE AND WHAT

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IS LEFT BUT VIOLENCE TO

15:43.231 --> 15:45.456
DETERMINE WHO SHOULD GOVERN.

15:45.467 --> 15:48.190
THIS BRINGS US TO THE FOCUS OF

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TODAY’S HEARING.

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DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN

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TRIED TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM.

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WHEN STATE EXECUTIVE OFFICIALS

15:56.233 --> 15:58.079
REFUSED TO CERTIFICATEY HIM, HE

15:58.080 --> 16:01.285
APPLIED MORE PRESSURE.

16:01.296 --> 16:02.901
WHEN STATE LEGISLATORS REFUSED

16:02.902 --> 16:04.406
TO GO BACK INTO SESSION, HE

16:04.417 --> 16:07.677
AMPED UP THE PRESSURE YET AGAIN.

16:07.710 --> 16:09.651
ANYONE WHO GOT IN THE WAY OF

16:09.653 --> 16:10.564
DONALD TRUMP’S CONTINUED HOLD ON

16:10.566 --> 16:13.065
POWER AFTER HE LOST THE ELECTION

16:13.067 --> 16:14.810
WAS THE SUBJECT OF A DANGEROUS

16:14.821 --> 16:16.870
AND ETC. KASCALATING CAMPAIGN OF

16:16.881 --> 16:17.495
PRESSURE.

16:17.506 --> 16:19.896
THIS PRESSURE CAMPAIGN BROUGHT

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ANGRY PHONE CALLS AND TEXTS,

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ARMED PROTESTS, INTIMIDATION AND

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ALL TOO OFTEN THREATS OF

16:28.205 --> 16:29.961
VIOLENCE AND DEATH.

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STATE LEGISLATORS WERE SINGLED

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OUT.

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SO, TOO, WERE STATEWIDE

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ELECTIONS OFFICIALS.

16:35.887 --> 16:37.971
EVEN LOCAL ELECTIONS WORKERS

16:37.972 --> 16:39.853
DILIGENTLY DOING THEIR JOBS WERE

16:39.864 --> 16:43.653
ACCUSED OF BEING CRIMINALS AND

16:43.687 --> 16:45.681
HAD THEIR LIVES TURNED UPSIDE

16:45.683 --> 16:46.148
DOWN.

16:46.150 --> 16:48.316
AS WE WILL SHOW, THE PRESIDENT’S

16:48.327 --> 16:49.645
SUPPORTERS HEARD THE FORMER

16:49.656 --> 16:51.178
PRESIDENT’S CLAIMS OF FRAUD AND

16:51.189 --> 16:52.608
THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS HE MADE

16:52.619 --> 16:55.566
AGAINST STATE AND LOCAL

16:55.577 --> 16:58.350
OFFICIALS AS A CALL TO ACTION.
>> STOP THE STEAL.

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>> STOP THE STEAL.

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STOP THE STEAL.

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YOU’RE A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY.
YOU’RE A THREAT TO FREE AND

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YOU’RE A THREAT TO FREE AND

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HONEST ELECTIONS.

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>> WE STARTED TO HEAR THE NOISES

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OUTSIDE MY HOME.

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I THOUGHT, IT’S ME.

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AND THEN WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S

17:39.496 --> 17:40.873
GOING TO HAPPEN.

17:40.884 --> 17:42.402
THE UNCERTAINTY OF THAT WAS THE

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FEAR.

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ARE THEY COMING WITH GUNS?

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ARE THEY GOING TO ATTACK MY

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HOUSE?

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I’M IN HERE WITH MID-MY KID.

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I’M TRYING TO PUT HIM TO BED.

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SO THAT WAS THE SCARIEST MOMENT

17:54.266 --> 17:57.568
NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING TO

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HAPPEN.

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>> THIS PRESSURE CAMPAIGN

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AGAINST STATE AND LOCAL

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OFFICIALS SPANNED NUMEROUS

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STATES.

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AS YOU’LL SEE IN THIS VIDEO

18:05.307 --> 18:07.273
PRODUCED BY THE SELECT

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COMMITTEE.

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>> MY NAME IS JOSH ROSSELMAN FOR

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THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE TO

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INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6th

18:16.378 --> 18:17.728
ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES

18:17.739 --> 18:17.977
CAPITOL.

18:17.988 --> 18:18.868
BEGINNING IN LATE NOVEMBER 2020,

18:18.902 --> 18:20.183
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS LAWYERS

18:20.194 --> 18:21.436
STARTED APPEARING BEFORE STATE

18:21.470 --> 18:23.021
LEGISLATORS URGING THEM TO GIVE

18:23.032 --> 18:24.646
THEIR ELECTORAL VOTES TO TRUMP,

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EVEN THOUGH HE LOST THE POPULAR

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VOTE.

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>> I REPRESENT PRESIDENT TRUMP

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ALONG WITH CHAD ELLIS.

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AND THIS IS OUR FOURTH OR FIFTH

18:35.359 --> 18:35.558
HEARING.

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>> THIS ELECTION HAS TO BE

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TURNED AROUND BECAUSE WE WANT

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PENNSYLVANIA BY A LOT AND WE WON

18:43.366 --> 18:44.753
OWLALL OF THESE SWING STATES BY

18:44.787 --> 18:44.964
LOT.

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>> THIS WAS A STRATEGY WITH BOTH

18:47.547 --> 18:52.055
PRACTICAL AND LEGAL ELEMENTS.

18:52.057 --> 18:54.029
THE SELECT COMMITTEE CAMPAIGN

18:54.040 --> 18:56.657
LAWYER ASKED ANOTHER LAWYER TO

18:56.668 --> 18:58.125
WRITE A MEMO JUSTIFYING THE

18:58.136 --> 18:59.546
IDEA.

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>> WHEN DO YOU REMEMBER THIS

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COMING UP FOR THE FIRST TIME?

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>> RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION.

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IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE

19:10.259 --> 19:10.544
ELECTION.

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>> EASTMAN PREPARED A MEMO

19:12.181 --> 19:13.954
ATTEMPTING TO JUSTIFY THIS
STRATEGY WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO

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STRATEGY WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO

19:16.041 --> 19:20.193
THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.

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TO ADVOCATE FOR IT PUBLICLY.

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>> YOU CAN DO WHAT THE FLORIDA

19:27.292 --> 19:29.015
LEGISLATURE WAS PREPARE EDD TO D

19:29.026 --> 19:30.035
WHICH WAS TO ADOPT ELECTORS

19:30.046 --> 19:30.416
YOURSELVES.

19:30.427 --> 19:35.355
AND WHEN YOU ADD IN THE MIX OF

19:35.389 --> 19:36.644
THE SIGNIFICANT ANOMALIES AND

19:36.655 --> 19:37.565
SWORN AFFIDAVITS AND VIDEO

19:37.600 --> 19:38.298
EVIDENCE OF OUTRIGHT ELECTION

19:38.299 --> 19:39.610
FRAUD, I DON’T THINK IT’S JUST

19:39.621 --> 19:42.946
YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, BUT I

19:42.957 --> 19:44.900
THINK YOU HAVE A DUTY TO DO THAT

19:44.934 --> 19:46.471
TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE

19:46.482 --> 19:47.569
ELECTION HERE IN GEORGIA.

19:47.580 --> 19:49.738
>> BUT REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS IN

19:49.772 --> 19:50.874
SEVERAL STATES RELEASED PUBLIC

19:50.885 --> 19:51.555
STATEMENTS RECOGNIZING THAT

19:51.589 --> 19:54.971
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PROPOSAL WAS

19:54.982 --> 19:55.493
UNLAWFUL.

19:55.495 --> 19:58.275
FOR INSTANCE, BRIAN KEMP CALLED

19:58.309 --> 20:00.220
THE PROPOSAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

20:00.231 --> 20:02.221
WHILE ARIZONA HOUSE SPEAKER

20:02.232 --> 20:03.888
RUSTY BOWERS WROTE THE IDEA

20:03.889 --> 20:05.979
WOULD UNDERMINE THE RULE OF LAW.

20:06.013 --> 20:09.507
THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGN TO GET

20:09.508 --> 20:11.280
LEGISLATORS TO GO ALONG WITH

20:11.281 --> 20:12.264
THIS INTENSIFIED WHEN PRESIDENT

20:12.265 --> 20:13.029
TRUMP INVITED DELEGATIONS FROM

20:13.040 --> 20:13.739
MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA TO THE

20:13.750 --> 20:14.437
WHITE HOUSE.

20:14.448 --> 20:16.835
>> EITHER YOU OR SPEAKER, DID

20:16.869 --> 20:18.195
YOU MAKE THE POINT TO THE

20:18.206 --> 20:19.546
PRESIDENT THAT YOU WERE NOT

20:19.557 --> 20:20.502
GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAT

20:20.513 --> 20:22.543
VIOLATED MICHIGAN LAW?

20:22.576 --> 20:24.103
>> I BELIEVE WE DID.

20:24.114 --> 20:27.510
WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS THOSE

20:27.521 --> 20:29.757
EXACT WORDS OR NOT, I THINK THE

20:29.791 --> 20:31.076
WORDS TO HOW IT WOULD HAVE MORE

20:31.087 --> 20:33.881
LIKELY USED IS WE’RE GOING TO

20:33.914 --> 20:34.883
FOLLOW THE LAW.

20:34.894 --> 20:35.770
>> NEVERTHELESS, THE PRESSURE

20:35.805 --> 20:36.035
CONTINUED.

20:36.046 --> 20:39.783
THE NEXT DAY PRESIDENT TRUMP

20:39.817 --> 20:41.618
TWEETED HOPEFULLY THE COURTS OR

20:41.629 --> 20:42.361
LEGISLATURES WILL HAVE THE

20:42.372 --> 20:43.415
COURAGE TO DO WHAT HAS TO BE

20:43.449 --> 20:44.693
DONE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY

20:44.704 --> 20:46.294
OF OUR ELECTIONS AND THE UNITED

20:46.295 --> 20:47.982
STATES OF AMERICA ITSELF.

20:47.983 --> 20:49.647
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.

20:49.681 --> 20:51.958
HE POSTED MULTIPLE MESSAGE AS ON

20:51.969 --> 20:53.311
FACEBOOK LISTING THE CONTACT

20:53.322 --> 20:54.898
INFORMATION FOR STATE OFFICIALS

20:54.909 --> 20:56.967
AND URGING HIS SUPPORTERS TO

20:56.968 --> 21:02.363
CONTACT THEM TO, QUOTE, DEMAND A

21:02.374 --> 21:03.804
VOTE ON DECERTIFY INDICATION.

21:03.837 --> 21:05.125
IN ONE OF THOSE POSTS, PRESIDENT

21:05.136 --> 21:07.200
TRUMP DISCLOSED A PERSONAL PHONE

21:07.211 --> 21:08.486
NUMBER TO HIS MILLIONS OF

21:08.520 --> 21:09.742
FOLLOWERS.

21:09.753 --> 21:13.997
>> ALL I REMEMBER IS RECEIVING

21:13.999 --> 21:17.849
OVER JUST SHY OF 4,000 TEXT

21:17.860 --> 21:20.228
MESSAGES IN A SHORT PERIOD OF

21:20.262 --> 21:21.407
TIME.

21:21.418 --> 21:27.031
CALLING TO TAKE ACTION.
>> IT WAS A LOUD NOISE, LOUD

21:27.032 --> 21:29.622
>> IT WAS A LOUD NOISE, LOUD

21:29.623 --> 21:31.349
CONSISTENT CADENCE.

21:31.351 --> 21:34.863
WE HEARD THAT THE TRUMP FOLKS

21:34.874 --> 21:37.136
ARE CALLING AND ASKING FOR

21:37.147 --> 21:40.026
CHANGES IN THE ELECTIONS AND YOU

21:40.060 --> 21:41.052
CAN DO THIS.

21:41.053 --> 21:43.456
THEY WERE BELIEVING THINGS THAT

21:43.467 --> 21:45.391
WERE UNTRUE.

21:45.402 --> 21:48.442
>> THESE EFFORTS ALSO INVOLVED

21:48.476 --> 21:49.600
TARGETED OUTREACH TO

21:49.601 --> 21:49.816
LEGISLATORS.

21:49.827 --> 21:52.438
>> MY NAME IS ANGELA.

21:52.449 --> 21:53.898
I’M CALLING FROM TRUMP CAMPAIGN

21:53.909 --> 21:55.545
HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

21:55.556 --> 21:59.052
YOU DO HAVE THE POWER TO RECLAIM

21:59.063 --> 22:00.891
YOUR AUTHORITY AND SEND A SLATE

22:00.902 --> 22:01.891
OF LEKELECTORS THAT WILL SUPPORT

22:01.902 --> 22:03.412
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE

22:03.423 --> 22:03.920
PRESIDENT PENSACOLA.

22:03.931 --> 22:06.295
>> FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

22:06.329 --> 22:07.972
LAWYERS AND FROM TRUMP HIMSELF.

22:07.983 --> 22:09.449
>> I HAVE BECOME FRIENDLY WITH

22:09.460 --> 22:10.769
LEGISLATORS I DIDN’T KNOW FOUR

22:10.780 --> 22:12.913
WEEKS AGO.

22:12.947 --> 22:16.193
>> ANOTHER LEGISLATOR, HOUSE

22:16.194 --> 22:17.633
SPEAKER BRIAN KUTCUTLER, RECEIVE

22:17.644 --> 22:18.618
DAILY VOICE MAILS FROM TRUMP’S

22:18.629 --> 22:19.511
LAIRS IN THE LAST WEEK OF

22:19.545 --> 22:20.796
NOVEMBER.

22:20.807 --> 22:24.109
>> MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS RJUDY

22:24.120 --> 22:25.313
GIULIANI AND JENNA ELLIS.

22:25.324 --> 22:27.754
WE’RE CALLING YOU TOGETHER

22:27.765 --> 22:29.783
BECAUSE WE’D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE

22:29.794 --> 22:30.142
ELECTION.

22:30.153 --> 22:31.516
>> LEL HELLO, THIS IS JENNA

22:31.517 --> 22:32.369
ELLIS.

22:32.403 --> 22:35.153
I’M HERE WITH RUDY GIULIANI.

22:35.164 --> 22:36.812
>> BRIAN, IT’S RUDY.

22:36.813 --> 22:38.510
I REALLY HAVE SOMETHING

22:38.544 --> 22:41.488
IMPORTANT TO CALL TO YOUR

22:41.499 --> 22:43.090
ATTENTION THAT I THINK REALLY

22:43.124 --> 22:43.521
CHANGES THINGS.

22:43.532 --> 22:44.581
>> HE FELT THE OUTREACH WAS

22:44.592 --> 22:46.804
INAPPROPRIATE AND ASKED HIS

22:46.815 --> 22:48.540
LAWYERS TO TELL RUDY GIULIANI TO

22:48.573 --> 22:49.347
STOP CALLING, BUT GIULIANI

22:49.358 --> 22:50.019
CONTINUED TO REACH OUT.

22:50.020 --> 22:51.158
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON’T

22:51.159 --> 22:53.812
WANT TO TALK TO ME NOW, BUT I

22:53.823 --> 22:55.268
JUST WANT TO BRING SOME FACTS TO

22:55.302 --> 22:58.509
YOUR ATTENTION AND TALK TO YOU

22:58.520 --> 23:00.751
AS A FELLOW REPUBLICAN.

23:00.762 --> 23:02.540
>> Reporter:ON DECEMBER 30th, ST

23:02.574 --> 23:03.991
BANNON ANNOUNCED A PROTEST AT

23:04.002 --> 23:05.206
DUT CUTLER’S HOME.

23:05.217 --> 23:06.839
>> WE’RE GOING TO START GOING TO

23:06.850 --> 23:07.096
OFFICES.

23:07.107 --> 23:08.995
IF WE HAVE TO, WE’RE GOING TO GO

23:09.006 --> 23:11.146
TO HOMES AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT

23:11.157 --> 23:14.434
WE THINK ABOUT THEM.

23:14.445 --> 23:16.997
>> I DON’T REMEMBER THE EXACT

23:17.031 --> 23:17.267
NUMBER.

23:17.268 --> 23:19.275
THERE WAS AT LEAST THREE OUTSIDE

23:19.276 --> 23:20.479
EITHER MY DISTRICT OFFICE OR MY

23:20.480 --> 23:21.257
HOME.

23:21.268 --> 23:23.983
AND YOU’RE CORRECT.

23:23.994 --> 23:27.113
MY THEN 15-YEAR-OLD SON WAS HOME

23:27.124 --> 23:29.052
BY HIMSELF FOR THE FIRST ONE.

23:29.086 --> 23:30.109
ALL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION WAS

23:30.120 --> 23:30.552
ONLINE.

23:30.563 --> 23:32.975
IT WAS MY PERSONAL E-MAIL, MY

23:32.986 --> 23:35.701
PERSONAL CELL PHONE, MY HOME

23:35.734 --> 23:38.122
PHONE NUMBER, WE HAD TO DISKKT

23:38.133 --> 23:41.601
OUR HOME PHONE FOR THREE DAYS

23:41.635 --> 23:43.163
BECAUSE IT WOULD RING ALL HOURS

23:43.174 --> 23:44.343
OF THE NIGHT AND FILL UP WITH

23:44.354 --> 23:45.008
MESSAGES.

23:45.042 --> 23:47.808
>> BRIAN CUTLER, WE ARE OUTSIDE.

23:47.819 --> 23:49.801
>> CLERK FACING FELONY CHARGES

23:49.812 --> 23:51.951
IN MICHIGAN.

23:51.962 --> 23:54.275
>> THESE ADS WERE ANOTHER

23:54.286 --> 23:55.328
ELEMENT IN THE EFFORT.

23:55.361 --> 23:56.143
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SPENT

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MILLIONS OF DOLLARS RUNNING ADS

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ONLINE AND IN TELEVISION.

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>> THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING.

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CALL YOUR GOVERNOR AND

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LEGISLATORS AND DEMAND THEY HEAR

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THE EVIDENCE.

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>> PUBLIC PRESSURE ON STATE

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OFFICIALS GREW DANGEROUS IN THE

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LEAD-UP TO JANUARY 6th.

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>> LET US IN!

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>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

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WHAT CAN YOU AND I DO?

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I’M NOT GOING TO ADVISE IT.

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>> THE PUNISHMENT FOR TREASON IS

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DEATH.

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>> THE STATE PRESSURE CAMPAIGN

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AND THE DANGER IT POSED TO STATE

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OFFICIALS AND THE STATE CAPITOLS

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AROUND THE NATION WAS A

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DANGEROUS PRECURSOR TO THE

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VIOLENCE WE SAW ON JANUARY 6th

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AT THE U.S. CAPITOL.

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TODAY YOU’LL HEAR FROM RUSTY

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BOWERS, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF

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REPRESENTATIVES, HE WILL TELL US

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A ABOUT HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH

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THE PRESIDENT, RUDY GIULIANI AND

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JOHN EASTMAN AND WHAT THE

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PRESIDENT’S TEAM ASKED OF HIM

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AND HOW HIS OATH OF OFFICE WOULD

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NOT PERMIT IT.

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WE’LL THEN HEAR FROM BRAD

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RAFTENS PERSIANER, WHO WAS

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DIRECTED TO FIND 11,000 VOTES

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THAT DID NOT EXIST, BUT JUST

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ENOUGH NEED ED TOED TO OVERTAKE

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BIDEN.

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YOU’LL ALSO HEAR FROM GABRIEL

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STERLING, THE CHIEF OPERATING

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OFFICER, ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF

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FRAUD IN THE ELECTIONS IN

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GEORGIA AND WHO RESPONDING TO A

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CASCADING SET OF THREATS TO HIS

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ELECTIONS TEAM WARNED THE

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PRESIDENT TO STOP.

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THAT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO GET

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KILLED.

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AND YOU’LL HEAR FROM A FORMER

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LOCAL ELECTIONS WORKER IN ERER F

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COUNTY A ABOUT HOW THE LIES

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IMPACT EDED THE LIVES OF REAL

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PEOPLE WHO ADMINISTER OUR

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ELECTIONS AND STILL DO.

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DWROUL HEAR WHAT THEY

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EXPERIENCED WHEN THE MOST

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POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD, THE

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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

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SOUGHT TO CLING TO POWER AFTER

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BEING VOTED OUT OF OFFICE BY THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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THE SYSTEM HELD BUT BARELY.

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AND THE SYSTEM HELD BECAUSE

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PEOPLE OF COURAGE, REPUBLICANS

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AND DEMOCRATS, LIKE THE

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WITNESSES YOU’LL HEAR TODAY, PUT

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THEIR OATH TO THE COUNTRY AND

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CONSTITUTION ABOVE ANY OTHER

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CONSIDERATION.

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THEY DID THEIR JOBS AS WE MUST

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DO OURS.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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I YIELD BACK.

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>> I NOW WELCOME OUR FIRST PANEL

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WITNESSES.

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WE’RE JOINED TODAY BY

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DISTINGUISHED LEGISLATOR FROM

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ARIZONA RUST BOWERS WHO IS A

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REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE

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ARIZONA HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.

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HE WAS FIRST ELECTED TO THE

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STATE LEGISLATURE IN 1993 AND

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HAS SERVED AS SPEAKER SINCE

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2019.

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WELCOME, SPEAKER BOWERS.

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BRAD RAFFESPERGER IS SERVING IN

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THIS ROLE SINCE 2019.

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AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND A

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REPUBLICAN, HE IS RESPONSIBLE

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FOR SUPERVISING ELECTIONS IN

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GEORGIA AND MAINTAINING THE

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STATE’S PUBLIC RECORDS.

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WELCOME, MR. SECRETARY.

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GABRIEL STERLING IS A CHIEF

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OPERATING OFFICER IN THE GEORGIA

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SECRETARY OF STATE’S OFFICE.

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MR. STERLING WAS THE STATEWIDE

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VOTING SYSTEMS IMPLEMENTATION

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MANAGER FOR THE 2020 ELECTION IN

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GEORGIA RESPONSIBLE FOR LEADING

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THE SECRETARY OF STATE’S

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RESPONSE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC

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AND ROLLING OUT MODERNIZED

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VOTING EQUIPMENT.

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I WILL SWEAR IN OUR WITNESSES.

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THE WITNESSES WILL PLEASE STAND

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AND RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND.

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DO YOU SWEAR ON THE PERJURY THAT

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THE TESTIMONY YOU’RE ABOUT TO

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GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE

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TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH,

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SO HELP YOU GOD?

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THANK YOU.

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PLEASE BE SEATED.

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LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE

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WITNESSES ANSWERED IN THE

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AFFIRMATIVE.

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SPEAKER BOWERS, THANK YOU FOR

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BEING WITH US TODAY.

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YOU’RE THE SPEAKER OF THE

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ARIZONA HOUSE AND A

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SELF-DESCRIBED CONSERVATIVE

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REPUBLICAN.

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YOU CAMPAIGNED FOR PRESIDENT

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TRUMP AND WITH HIM DURING THE

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2020 ELECTION.

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IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU

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WANTED DONALD TRUMP TO WIN A

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SECOND TERM IN OFFICE?

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>> YES, SIR.

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THANK YOU.

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>> IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT

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PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS THE WINNER

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OF THE POPULAR VOTE IN ARIZONA

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IN 2020?

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>> YES, SIR.

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>> THANK YOU.

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PURSUANT TO SECTION 5C 8 THE

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CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN

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FROM CALIFORNIA FOR QUESTIONS.

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>> SPEAKER, THANK YOU FOR BEING

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WITH US TODAY.

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BEFORE WE BEGIN WITH THE

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QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE PREPARED

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FOR YOU, I WANTED TO ASK YOU

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ABOUT A STATEMENT THAT FORMER

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PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUED, WHICH I

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RECEIVED JUST PRIOR TO THE

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HEARING.

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HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW

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THAT STATEMENT?

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>> MY COUNSEL CALLED AND READ IT

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TO ME, YES, SIR.

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>> IN THAT STATEMENT, I WON’T

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READ IT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

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FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGINS BY

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CALLING YOU A RINO, REPUBLICAN

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IN NAME ONLY.

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HE THEN REFERENCES A

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CONVERSATION IN NOVEMBER 2020 IN

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WHICH HE CLAIMS THAT YOU TOLD

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HIM THAT THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED

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AND THAT HE HAD WON ARIZONA.

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TO QUOTE THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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DURING THE CONVERSATION, HE TOLD

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ME THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED AND

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THAT I WON ARIZONA, UNQUOTE.

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DID YOU HAVE SUCH A CONVERSATION

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WITH THE PRESIDENT?

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>> I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION

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WITH THE PRESIDENT.

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THAT CERTAINLY ISN’T IT.

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THERE WERE PARTS OF IT THAT ARE

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TRUE.

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BUT THERE ARE PARTS THAT ARE

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NOT, SIR.

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>> AND THE PART THAT I READ YOU,

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IS THAT FALSE?

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>> ANYWHERE, ANYONE, ANY TIME

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HAS SAID THAT I SAID THE

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ELECTION WAS RIGGED, THAT WOULD

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NOT BE TRUE.

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>> WHEN THE FORMER PRESIDENT IN

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HIS STATEMENT TODAY CLAIMED THAT

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YOU TOLD HIM THAT HE WON ARIZONA

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S THAT ALSO FALSE?

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>> THAT IS ALSO FALSE.

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>> MR. BOWERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT

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AFTER THE ELECTION, AND I DON’T

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KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE

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CONVERSATION THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT IS REFERRING TO, BUT

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AFTER THE ELECTION, YOU RECEIVE

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ED A PHONE CALL FROM PRESIDENT

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TRUMP AND RUDY GIULIANI IN WHICH

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THEY DISCUSSED THE RESULT OF THE

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PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN

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ARIZONA.

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IF YOU WOULD, TELL US ABOUT THAT

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AND WHETHER THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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OR RUDY GIULIANI RAISED

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ALLEGATIONS OF ELECTION FRAUD.

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>> THANK YOU.

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MY WIFE AND I HAD RETURNED FROM

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ATTENDING OUR CHURCH MEETINGS.

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IT WAS ON A SUNDAY.

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AND WE WERE STILL IN THE

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DRIVEWAY.

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I HAD RECEIVED A CALL FROM A

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COLLEAGUE TELLING ME THAT THE

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WHITE HOUSE WAS TRYING TO GET IN

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TOUCH WITH HER AND I.

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AND THAT SHE SAID PLEASE, IF IT

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YOU COULD TRY TO TAKE THIS

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TOGETHER.

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IMMEDIATELY, I SAW THAT THE

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WHITE HOUSE ON MY BLUETOOTH WAS

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CALLING.

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AND I TOOK THE CALL AND WAS

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ASKED BY THE OPERATOR AT THE

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WHITE HOUSE IF I WOULD HOLD FOR
THE PRESIDENT, WHICH I DID.

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THE PRESIDENT, WHICH I DID.

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AND MR. GIULIANI CAME ON FIRST.

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NICE

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NICETY.

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THEN PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME ON.

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HE INITIATED A CONVERSATION.

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>> DURING THAT CONVERSATION, DID

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YOU ALL ASK MR. GIULIANI FOR

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PROOF OF THESE ALLEGATIONS OF

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FRAUD THAT HE WAS MAKING?

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>> ON MULT PRESIDENTIAL

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OCCASIONS, YES.

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>> WHEN YOU ASKED HIM FOR

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EVIDENCE, WHAT DID HE SAY?

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>> HE SAID THAT THEY DID HAVE

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PROOF, AND I ASKED HIM DO YOU

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HAVE NAMES.

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FOR EXAMPLE, 200,000 ILLEGAL

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IMMIGRANTS, SOME LARGE NUMBER,

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5,000 DEAD PEOPLE, ET CETERA.

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AND I SAID, DO YOU HAVE THEIR

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NAMES?

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YES.

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WILL YOU GIVE THEM TO ME?

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YES.

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THE PRESIDENT INTERRUPTED AND

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SAID GIVE THE MAN WHAT HE NEEDS,

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RUDY.

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HE SAID, I WILL.

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AND THAT HAPPENED ON AT LEAST

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TWO OCCASIONS THAT INTERCHANGE

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IN THE CONVERSATION.

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>> SO MR. GIULIANI WAS CLAIMING

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ON THE CALL THERE WERE HUNDREDS

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OF THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED

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PEOPLE AND THOUSANDS OF DEAD

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PEOPLE WHO HAD PURPORTEDLY VOTED

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IN THE ELECTION.

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>> YES.

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>> AND YOU ASKED FOR EVIDENCE OF

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THAT?

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>> I DID.

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>> DID HE EVER RECEIVE FROM HIM

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THAT EVIDENCE DURING THE CALL?

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>> NEVER.

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>> WHAT WAS THE ASK DURING THIS

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CALL?

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HE WAS MAKING THESE ALLEGATIONS

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OF FRAUD, BUT HE HAD SOMETHING

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OR A COUPLE THINGS THAT THEY

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WANTED YOU TO DO.

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>> THE ONES I REMEMBER WERE

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FIRST THAT WE WOULD HOLD AND

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ALLOW AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE AT

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THE CAPITOL.

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AND THEY CAN TAKE ACTION

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THEREAFTER.

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AND I REFUSED.

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THE CIRCUS HAD BEEN BREWING WITH

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LOTS OF DEMONSTRATIONS AT

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COUNTING CENTER AND OTHER

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PLACES.

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AND I DID NOT FEEL THAT THE

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EVIDENCE IN ITS ABSENCE MERITED

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A HEARING AND I DIDN’T WANT TO

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BE USED AS A PAWN.

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IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER NEED

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THAT THE COMMITTEE HEARING WOULD

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FULFILL.

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>> WHAT WAS HIS SECOND ASK?

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>> I SAID TO WHAT END THE

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HEARING.

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HE SAID WE HAVE HEARD BY AN

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OFFICIAL HIGH UP IN THE

34:35.591 --> 34:36.750
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THAT

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THERE IS A LEGAL THEORY OR

34:40.789 --> 34:44.494
ABILITY IN ARIZONA THAT YOU CAN

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REMOVE THE ELECTORS OF PRESIDENT

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BIDEN AND REPLACE THEM, AND WE

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WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE

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LEGITIMATE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH

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THE COMMITTEE TO COME TO THAT

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END AND REMOVE THAT.

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AND I SAID, THAT’S TOTALLY NEW

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TO ME.

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I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING S

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THING.

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AND HAD PRESSED THAT POINT AND

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SAID YOU ARE ASKING ME TO DO

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SOMETHING THAT IS COUNTER TO MY

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OATH WHEN I SWORE TO THE

35:17.601 --> 35:18.699
CONSTITUTION TO UPHOLD IT AND I

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ALSO SWORE TO THE CONSTITUTION

35:20.670 --> 35:22.786
AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF

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ARIZONA AND THIS IS TOTALLY

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FOREIGN AS AN IDEA OR A THEORY

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TO ME, AND I WOULD NEVER DO

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ANYTHING OF SUCH MAGNITUDE

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WITHOUT DEEP CONSULTATION WITH

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QUALIFIED ATTORNEYS.

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I HAVE SOME GOOD ATTORNEYS AND

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I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU THEIR

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NAMES.

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I SAID I WILL NOT BREAK MY OATH.

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I THEY THI THAT WAS UP TO THAT

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POINT.

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>> DURING THE CONVERSATION, YOU

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HEARD MR. GIULIANI CALLING AS

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ESSENTIALLY A FELLOW REPUBLICAN.

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DID HE MAKE A SIMILAR APPEAL TO

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YOU OR BRING UP THE FACT YOU

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SHARE A SIMILAR PARTY?

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>> WHETHER IT WAS IN THAT CALL

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OR A LATER MEETING, HE DID BRING

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THAT UP MORE THAN ONCE.

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>> HOW WOULD HE BRING THAT UP?

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>> AREN’T WE ALL REPUBLICANS

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HERE?

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I WOULD THINK WE WOULD GET A

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BETTER RECEPTION.

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I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD LISTEN A

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LITTLE MORE OPEN.

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THAT WE’RE ALL REPUBLICANS.

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AND THIS EVIDENCE THAT YOU ASKED

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HIM FOR THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THIS

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EXTRAORDINARY STEP, I THINK YOU

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SAID THEY NEVER PRODUCED.

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WHY DID YOU FEEL EITHER IN THE

36:38.927 --> 36:40.796
ABSENCE OF THAT EVIDENCE OR WITH

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IT WHAT THEY WERE ASKING YOU TO
DO WOULD VIOLATE THEIR OATH TO

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DO WOULD VIOLATE THEIR OATH TO

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THE CONSTITUTION.

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>> FIRST OF ALL, ARIZONA THERE’S

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SOME 40 PLUS YEARS EARLIER, THE

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LEGISLATURE ESTABLISHED THE

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MANNER OF ELECTING ARTIFICIALS

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OR THE ELECTORS FOR THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

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PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

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ONCE IT WAS GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE,

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IT BECOMES A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT

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OF THE PEOPLE.

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SO AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED FOR

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SOMEONE TO ASK ME IN THE POSSE,

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THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE BEING

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PRESENTED OF OUR STRENGTH.

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EVIDENCE CAN BE HEARSAY

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EVIDENCE.

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IT’S STILL EVIDENCE, BUT IT’S

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STILL HEARSAY.

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BUT STRONG JUDICIAL QUALITY

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EVIDENCE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD

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SAY TO ME YOU HAVE A DOUBT, DENY

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YOUR OATH.

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I WILL NOT DO THAT.

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ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION

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THROUGHOUT ALL THIS, THAT HAS

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BEEN BROUGHT UP, AND IT IS A

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TENANT OF MY FAITH THAT THE

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CONSTITUTION IS INSPIRED.

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OF MY MOST BASIC FOUNDATIONAL

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BELIEVES.

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AND SO FOR ME TO DO THAT,

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BECAUSE SOMEBODY JUST ASKED ME
TO, IS FOREIGN TO MY VERY BEING.

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TO, IS FOREIGN TO MY VERY BEING.

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I WILL NOT DO IT.

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>> DID YOU ASK IF WHEN HE WAS

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PROPOSING HAD EVER BEEN DONE

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BEFORE?

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>> I DID.

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>> WHAT DID HE SAY?

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>> HE SAID I’M NOT FAMILIAR WITH

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ARIZONA LAW, BUT I DON’T THINK

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SO.

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AND THAT ALSO WAS BROUGHT UP IN

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OTHER CONVERSATIONS BOTH WITH
HIM AND WITH JOHN EASTMAN AND

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HIM AND WITH JOHN EASTMAN AND

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OTHERS.

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>> I UNDERSTAND HE APYRED WITH

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OTHERS WITH THE THE EFFORT TO

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OVERTURN THE RESULT OF THE

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ELECTION THAT A PURPORTED

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HEARING AND HOTEL BALLROOM IN

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PHOENIX, WAS THIS AN OFFICIAL

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HEARING OF THE STATE

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LEGISLATURE?

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>> IT WAS NOT.

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AND WHY WAS IT NOT A REAL

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OFFICIAL HEARING OF THE

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LEGISLATURE?

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>> A LEGISLATORS CAN HOLD A

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GROUP MEETING.

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HE CAN CALL IT A HEARING BUT

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WHEN THEY ASK ME TO HAVE AN

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OFFICIAL HEARING, WE ESTABLISH

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IT BY PROTOCOLS, PUBLIC NOTICE,

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ET CETERA.

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IT’S TYPICALLY HELD AT THE

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CAPITOL

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CAPITOL, BUT DOESN’T NEED TO BE.

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WE CAN AUTHORIZE A HEARING OFF

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CAMPUS.

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IN THIS CASE, I HAD BEEN ASKED

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ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO ALLOW A

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HEARING.

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I DENIED IT.

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BUT SAID YOU’RE FREE TO HOLD A

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MEETING TO THE PERSON WHO ASKED.

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AND WHICH HE ULTIMATELY DID.

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I THINK HE WAS A LITTLE

39:56.812 --> 39:57.371
FRUSTRATED, BUT HE ULTIMATELY

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DID.

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>> THIS MEETING WAS THE SAME

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DAY, I BELIEVE, THAT THE

40:02.757 --> 40:03.910
GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA CERTIFIED

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BIDEN AS THE WINNER OF THE

40:05.580 --> 40:07.412
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN

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ARIZONA.

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DID YOU MEET WITH MR. GIULIANI

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ATND HIS ASSOCIATES WHILE THEY

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WERE IN PHOENIX SOMETIME AFTER

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THAT LEGISLATIVE HEARING?

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>> YES, I DID.

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>> AND AT THAT MEETING, DID MR.

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GIULIANI RAISE ANY SPECIFIC

40:21.730 --> 40:23.215
ALLEGATIONS OF ELECTION FRAUD

40:23.226 --> 40:23.869
AGAIN?

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>> HIS INITIAL COMMENTS WERE,

40:27.050 --> 40:31.668
AGAIN, THE LITANY OF GROUPS OF

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ILLEGAL INDIVIDUALS OR PEOPLE

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DECEASED.

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AND HE BROUGHT THAT UP.

40:37.478 --> 40:39.730
AND I WASN’T ALONE IN THAT

40:39.741 --> 40:40.006
MEETING.

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THERE WERE OTHERS.

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AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SENATE

40:45.266 --> 40:47.141
AGGRESSIVELY QUESTIONED HIM.

40:47.152 --> 40:48.713
AND THEN I PROCEEDED TO QUESTION

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HIM ON THE PROOF HE WAS GOING TO

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BRING ME.

40:52.326 --> 40:54.111
HE DID BRING THOSE.

40:54.122 --> 40:55.723
>> THESE OTHERS WERE REPUBLICAN

40:55.734 --> 40:58.779
MEMBERS OF THE SENATE?

40:58.813 --> 41:00.364
>> THEY WERE, YES, SIR.

41:00.365 --> 41:01.695
>> AND DID THEY ALSO PRESS HIM

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FOR PROOF OF THESE ALLEGATIONS?

41:03.816 --> 41:05.092
>> THEY PRESSED HIM VERY

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STRONGLY.

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TWO OF THEM ESPECIALLY.

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VERY STRONGLY.

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>> AT SOME POINT, DID MR.

41:11.044 --> 41:13.536
GIULIANI ASK ONE OF THE OTHER

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ATTORNEYS ON HIS TEAM TO HELP

41:15.405 --> 41:17.006
THEM OUT WITH THE EVIDENCE?

41:17.017 --> 41:18.209
>> HE DID.

41:18.243 --> 41:21.004
HE ASKED JENNA ELLIS, WHO WAS

41:21.015 --> 41:22.200
SITTING TO HIS RIGHT.

41:22.211 --> 41:25.739
ONE THING WAS IT WAS MORE TO THE

41:25.773 --> 41:28.204
POINT OF WAS THERE SUFFICIENT

41:28.215 --> 41:31.993
EVIDENCE OR ACTION THAT WE COULD

41:31.994 --> 41:34.076
JUSTIFY THE RECALLING OF THE LEK

41:34.077 --> 41:34.260
ELECTORS.

41:34.271 --> 41:35.188
BUT AT THAT PART OF THE

41:35.199 --> 41:35.921
CONVERSATION, I KNOW HE REFERRED

41:35.932 --> 41:37.260
TO SOMEONE ELSE.

41:37.271 --> 41:43.999
BUT HE DID ASK DO WE HAVE THE

41:44.000 --> 41:45.607
PROOF TO JENNA.

41:45.618 --> 41:46.548
AND SHE SAID YES.

41:46.549 --> 41:48.721
AND I SAID I WANT THE NAMES.

41:48.723 --> 41:49.660
DO YOU HAVE THE NAMES.

41:49.671 --> 41:50.502
YES.

41:50.513 --> 41:52.740
DO YOU HAVE HOW THEY VOTED?

41:52.775 --> 41:55.134
WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.

41:55.145 --> 41:57.263
I SAID CAN YOU GET TO ME THAT

41:57.274 --> 41:57.899
INFORMATION.

41:57.933 --> 42:01.496
DID YOU BRING IT WITH YOU?

42:01.498 --> 42:04.086
SHE SAID, NO, BOTH MR. GIULIANI

42:04.087 --> 42:06.029
ASKED HER AND I ASKED GENERALLY

42:06.040 --> 42:07.218
IF THEY HAD BROUGHT IT WITH

42:07.219 --> 42:07.489
THEM.

42:07.500 --> 42:09.725
SHE SAID, NO, IT’S NOT WITH ME,

42:09.736 --> 42:10.970
BUT WE CAN GET IT TO YOU.

42:11.004 --> 42:13.401
I SAID THEN YOU DIDN’T BRING ME

42:13.412 --> 42:14.430
THE EVIDENCE.

42:14.441 --> 42:18.100
WHICH WAS REPEATED IN DIFFERENT

42:18.134 --> 42:21.383
IT RATIONS FOR SOME PERIOD OF

42:21.394 --> 42:21.591
TIME.

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>> AT SOME POINT, DID ONE OF

42:23.081 --> 42:24.176
THEM MAKE A COMMENT THAT THEY

42:24.178 --> 42:25.660
DIDN’T HAVE EVIDENCE BUT THEY

42:25.661 --> 42:27.146
HAD A LOT OF THEORIES?

42:27.157 --> 42:28.907
>> THAT WAS MR. GIULIANI.

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>> WHAT EXACTLY DID HE SAY?

42:30.934 --> 42:33.065
>> MY RECOLLECTION, HE SAID, WE

42:33.100 --> 42:34.201
HAVE LOTS OF THEORIES.

42:34.212 --> 42:35.929
WE JUST DON’T HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

42:35.940 --> 42:37.212
I DON’T KNOW IF THAT WAS A

42:37.223 --> 42:37.629
GAFFE.

42:37.640 --> 42:39.354
MAYBE HE DIDN’T THINK THROUGH

42:39.388 --> 42:42.844
WHAT HE SAID, BUT BOTH MYSELF

42:42.855 --> 42:44.412
AND OTHERS IN MY GROUP, THE

42:44.447 --> 42:46.750
THREE IN MY GROUP AND MY COUNSEL

42:46.761 --> 42:47.548
BOTH REMEMBERED THAT

42:47.559 --> 42:47.813
SPECIFICALLY.

42:47.847 --> 42:54.181
AFTERWARDS, KIND OF LAUGHED

42:54.182 --> 42:55.364
ABOUT IT.

42:55.365 --> 42:59.203
>> GETTING BACK TO THE ASK IN

42:59.214 --> 43:01.875
THE PHONE CALL, HE WANTED YOU TO

43:01.886 --> 43:03.045
HAVE THE LEGISLATURE DISMISS THE

43:03.056 --> 43:04.287
BIDEN ELECTORS AND REPLACE THEM

43:04.298 --> 43:07.578
WITH TRUMP ELECTORS ON THE BASIS

43:07.589 --> 43:08.499
OF THESE THEORIES?

43:08.533 --> 43:11.492
>> HE DID NOT SAY IT IN THOSE

43:11.503 --> 43:12.935
WORDS, BUT HE DID SAY THAT

43:12.968 --> 43:14.320
ARIZONA LAW ACCORDING TO WHAT HE

43:14.321 --> 43:15.127
UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE

43:15.138 --> 43:15.516
ALLOWED.

43:15.550 --> 43:18.788
AND WE NEEDED TO COME INTO

43:18.799 --> 43:20.768
SESSION TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

43:20.802 --> 43:21.649
WHICH INITIATED A DISCUSSION

43:21.651 --> 43:22.883
ABOUT WHAT I CAN LEGALLY AND NOT

43:22.884 --> 43:24.608
LEGALLY DO.

43:24.610 --> 43:28.405
I CAN’T GO INTO SESSION IN

43:28.416 --> 43:29.053
ARIZONA.

43:29.087 --> 43:31.376
>> THIS MEETING OR ANY OTHER

43:31.387 --> 43:33.549
TIME DID ANYONE PROVIDE YOU WITH

43:33.584 --> 43:35.269
EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD

43:35.280 --> 43:36.587
SUFFICIENT TO EFFECT THE OUTCOME

43:36.621 --> 43:37.578
OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN

43:37.579 --> 43:38.383
ARIZONA?

43:38.394 --> 43:43.514
>> NO ONE PROVIDED ME EVER SUCH

43:43.549 --> 43:44.176
EVIDENCE.

43:44.187 --> 43:45.967
>> THE COMMITTEE HAS UNCOFFERED

43:45.978 --> 43:49.135
EVIDENCE IN THE COURSE OF OUR

43:49.168 --> 43:50.236
INVESTIGATION THAT IT STOPPED

43:50.247 --> 43:51.528
THE STEAL PROTESTS AT STATE

43:51.539 --> 43:53.397
CAPITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY,

43:53.431 --> 43:54.617
THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS WITH TIES

43:54.628 --> 43:55.483
TO THE GROUPS OF PARTIES

43:55.494 --> 43:58.108
INVOLVED IN THE JANUARY 6th

43:58.119 --> 43:59.695
ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL.

43:59.706 --> 44:01.254
ONE OF THOSE INCURSIONS TOOK

44:01.265 --> 44:02.856
PLACE IN THE ARIZONA HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES BUILDING.

44:02.867 --> 44:03.702
REPRESENTATIVES BUILDING.

44:03.736 --> 44:09.576
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS FOOTAGE.

44:09.587 --> 44:12.175
THIS IS PREVIOUSLY UNDIES CLOSED

44:12.209 --> 44:13.903
VIDEO OF PROTESTERS ILLEGALLY

44:13.914 --> 44:15.412
ENTERING AND REFUSING TO LEAVE

44:15.447 --> 44:16.530
THE BUILDING.

44:16.541 --> 44:21.609
ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS SHOWN IN

44:21.643 --> 44:26.387
THIS VIDEO IS JACOB CHANSLY.

44:26.388 --> 44:30.881
PERHAPS BETTER KNOWN AS THE

44:30.882 --> 44:32.911
QANON SHA MOM.

44:32.912 --> 44:34.960
HE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED AND

44:34.971 --> 44:37.657
ULTIMATELY SENTENCED TO 41

44:37.691 --> 44:39.400
MONTHS IN PRISON AFTER PLEADING

44:39.411 --> 44:40.766
GUILTY TO ABOBSTRUCTION OF AN

44:40.768 --> 44:43.126
OFFICIAL PROCEEDING.

44:43.128 --> 44:45.639
ORE OTHER PROTESTERS WHO OCCUPY

44:45.640 --> 44:46.940
OCCUPIED THE HOUSE OF

44:46.951 --> 44:48.771
REPRESENTATIVES BUILDING

44:48.773 --> 44:50.779
INCLUDED PROUD BOYS, MEN ARMED

44:50.780 --> 44:52.025
WITH RIFLES STOOD OUTSIDE THE

44:52.026 --> 44:52.312
ENTRANCE.

44:52.323 --> 44:54.921
I UNDERSTAND THESE PROTESTERS

44:54.932 --> 44:56.870
WERE CALLING FOR YOU BY NAME.

44:56.904 --> 44:57.794
IS THAT CORRECT?

44:57.795 --> 44:59.095
>> THAT IS CORRECT.

44:59.106 --> 45:01.327
>> SPEAKER BOWERS, DID THE

45:01.361 --> 45:02.929
PRESIDENT CALL YOU AGAIN IN LATE

45:02.930 --> 45:04.420
DECEMBER?

45:04.431 --> 45:06.404
>> HE DID, SIR.

45:06.439 --> 45:08.128
>> DID YOU TELL THE PRESIDENT IN

45:08.139 --> 45:10.597
A THAT SECOND CALL THAT YOU

45:10.608 --> 45:11.624
SUPPORTED HIM, THAT YOU VOTED

45:11.658 --> 45:12.683
FOR HIM, BUT THAT YOU WERE NOT

45:12.694 --> 45:13.319
GOING TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL FOR

45:13.353 --> 45:14.404
HIM?

45:14.415 --> 45:16.855
>> I DID, SIR.

45:16.889 --> 45:19.940
>> NEVERTHELESS, HIS LAWYER

45:19.951 --> 45:22.134
CALLED YOU SOME DAYS LATER ON

45:22.168 --> 45:23.528
JUNE 4th, 2021.

45:23.529 --> 45:25.774
HE DID HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC ASK

45:25.785 --> 45:27.363
THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED YOU TO

45:27.397 --> 45:29.514
DO WHAT YOU ALREADY TOLD THE

45:29.516 --> 45:31.031
PRESIDENT YOU COULDN’T DO.

45:31.032 --> 45:32.385
SOMETHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE

45:32.386 --> 45:33.045
YOUR OATH.

45:33.056 --> 45:34.217
>> THAT’S CORRECT.

45:34.252 --> 45:37.493
IT WASN’T JUST ME.

45:37.495 --> 45:40.298
I HAD MY COUNSELS AND OTHERS ON

45:40.299 --> 45:40.856
THE CALL.

45:40.857 --> 45:42.119
>> WHAT DID MR. EASTMAN WANT YOU

45:42.120 --> 45:46.137
TO DO?
>> THAT WE WOULD, IN FACT, VOTE,

45:46.138 --> 45:48.055
>> THAT WE WOULD, IN FACT, VOTE,

45:48.057 --> 45:52.532
TAKE A VOTE TO OVERTHROW -- I

45:52.533 --> 45:54.868
SHOULDN’T SAY OVERTHROW.

45:54.869 --> 45:57.157
WE WOULD DECERTIFY THE ELECTORS

45:57.168 --> 46:00.814
AND THAT BECAUSE WE HAD

46:00.825 --> 46:03.433
AUTHORITY TO DO SO.

46:03.468 --> 46:06.474
AND HE CITED ARTICLE 2, SECTION

46:06.485 --> 46:08.525
1, I THINK IT’S CLAUSE 2.

46:08.536 --> 46:12.076
AND SAID THAT IN HIS OPINION,

46:12.087 --> 46:15.881
THAT GAVE US THE AUTHORITY.

46:15.914 --> 46:19.567
IF THERE WAS -- I DON’T RECALL

46:19.568 --> 46:20.800
HIM SAY INGING SUFFICIENT EVIDEN

46:20.801 --> 46:21.763
BUT THERE WAS SOME CALL OR

46:21.774 --> 46:22.674
STRONG REASON TO DO SO THAT WE

46:22.685 --> 46:24.193
OR JUSTIFICATION TO DO SO THAT

46:24.204 --> 46:26.982
WE COULD DO THAT.

46:27.016 --> 46:29.245
AND THAT HE WAS ASKEDING THAT --

46:29.256 --> 46:30.357
HIS SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE DO

46:30.391 --> 46:31.624
IT.

46:31.635 --> 46:35.967
AND I SAID, AGAIN, I TOOK AN

46:35.978 --> 46:36.824
OATH.

46:36.835 --> 46:40.344
FOR ME TO TAKE THAT TO DO WHAT

46:40.355 --> 46:42.154
YOU DO WOULD BE COUNTER TO MY

46:42.165 --> 46:42.704
OATH.

46:42.705 --> 46:46.504
I DON’T RECALL IF IT WAS IN THAT

46:46.515 --> 46:48.859
CONVERSATION CLEARLY THAT WE

46:48.870 --> 46:52.893
TALKED MORE ABOUT THE OATH, BUT

46:52.927 --> 46:55.356
I SAID WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME

46:55.367 --> 46:55.541
DO?

46:55.575 --> 46:57.896
HE SAID JUST DO IT AND LET THE

46:57.897 --> 46:59.566
COURT SORT IT OUT.

46:59.577 --> 47:01.545
AND I SAID YOU’RE ASKING ME TO

47:01.578 --> 47:05.896
DO SOMETHING THAT’S NEVER BEEN

47:05.897 --> 47:08.386
DONE IN HISTORY, THE HISTORY OF

47:08.397 --> 47:10.617
THE UNITED STATES.

47:10.628 --> 47:15.604
AND I’M GOING PUT MY STATE

47:15.638 --> 47:17.013
THROUGH THAT WITHOUT SUFFICIENT

47:17.024 --> 47:21.282
PROOF AND THAT’S GOING TO BE

47:21.316 --> 47:23.794
GOOD ENOUGH WITH ME?

47:23.805 --> 47:25.964
THAT I WOULD PUT US THROUGH

47:25.975 --> 47:28.298
THAT, MY STATE, THAT I SWORE TO

47:28.309 --> 47:30.109
UPHOLD BOTH IN CONSTITUTION AND

47:30.120 --> 47:32.711
IN LAW, NO, SIR.

47:32.722 --> 47:34.279
HE SAID, WELL, THAT’S MY

47:34.313 --> 47:37.590
SUGGESTION WOULD BE JUST DO IT

47:37.601 --> 47:39.629
AND LET THE COURTS FIGURE IT ALL

47:39.640 --> 47:40.201
OUT.

47:40.236 --> 47:43.983
AND I DIDN’T USE THAT EXACT

47:43.985 --> 47:45.991
PHRASE, BUT THAT WAS WHAT HE

47:45.992 --> 47:46.821
MEANT.

47:46.823 --> 47:49.217
AND I DECLINED AND SAID THAT WAS

47:49.228 --> 47:50.629
CLOSE TO THE END OF OUR PHONE

47:50.630 --> 47:51.587
CALL.

47:51.598 --> 47:54.956
>> AND AGAIN, THIS TOOK PLACE

47:54.967 --> 47:56.359
ACEFTER YOU HAD RECENTLY SPOKEN

47:56.370 --> 47:57.280
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND TOLD

47:57.315 --> 47:58.082
HIM THAT YOU WOULDN’T DO

47:58.093 --> 47:58.634
ANYTHING ILLEGAL FOR HIM.

47:58.669 --> 48:00.561
IS THAT RIGHT?

48:00.572 --> 48:02.898
>> IT WASN’T WASN’T DAYS AFTER,

48:02.909 --> 48:04.879
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS DAYS AFTER, BUT

48:04.890 --> 48:06.785
A FEW DAYS HAD GONE BY.

48:06.796 --> 48:08.281
>> YOU HAD TOLD PRESIDENT TRUMP

48:08.292 --> 48:09.618
YOU WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING

48:09.652 --> 48:11.150
ILLEGAL FOR HIM?

48:11.161 --> 48:13.166
>> I DID BOTH TIMES.

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>> AND YOU TOLD DR. EASTMAN YOU

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DID NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS LEGAL

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SUPPORT TO JUSTIFY WHAT HE WAS

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ASKING, BUT HE STILL WANTED YOU

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TO DO IT AND EFFECTIVELY LET THE

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COURTS WORK IT OUT?

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>> I HAD BEEN WARNED DON’T SAY

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THINGS YOU THINK MAYBE HE SAID

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BUT I DO REMEMBER HIM SAYING

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THAT THE AUTHORITY OF THE

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LEGISLATURE WAS PLENARY AND YOU

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COULD DO IT.

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I SAID YOU SHOULD KNOW I CAN’T

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CALL IN LEGISLATURE INTO SESSION

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WITHOUT TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY

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VOTE.

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WE ARE ONLY 30 PLUS 1.

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THERE’S NO WAY THAT COULD

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HAPPEN.

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>> IN YOUR VIEW WHAT HE WAS

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ASKING YOU TO DO WOULD HAVE

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VIOLATED YOUR OATH TO THE KAUNS

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CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED

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STATES AND OF THE STATE OF

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ARIZONA?

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>> YES, SIR.

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>> DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM

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REPRESENTATIVE ANDY BIGGS ON THE

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MORNING OF JANUARY 6?

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>> I DID.

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>> WHAT DID MR. BIGGS ASK YOU TO

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DO.

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>> I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE DAY

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THE VOTE WAS OCCURRING TO EACH

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STATE TO HAVE CERTIFICATION OR

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TO DECLARE THE CERTIFICATION OF

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THE ELECTORS AND HE ASKED IF I

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WOULD SIGN ON BOTH TO A LETTER

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THAT HAD BEEN SENT FROM MY STATE

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AND OR THAT I WOULD SUPPORT

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DECERTIFICATION OF ELECTORS AND

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I SAID I WOULD NOT.

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>> MR. SPEAKER, ON DECEMBER 4th,

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2020, SHORTLY AFTER YOUR MEETING

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WITH GIULIANI AND OTHER ALLIES

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OF TRUMP, YOU RELEASED A

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STATEMENT SAYING CALLS FOR

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LEGISLATURE TO OVERTURN THE 2020

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CERTIFIED ELECTION RESULTS, THE

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STATEMENT IS STRAIGHTFORWARD IN

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EXPLAINING THE BREATHTAKING

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REQUEST, UNQUOTE, MADE BY

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REPRESENTATIVES OF PRESIDENT

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TRUMP.

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QUOTE, THAT THE ARIZONA

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LEGISLATURE OVERTURN CERTIFIED

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RESULTS OF LAST MONTH’S ELECTION

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AND DELIVER THE STATE’S

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ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES TO

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PRESIDENT TRUMP, UNQUOTE.

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WHY DID YOU BELIEVE AS YOU WROTE

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IN THIS STATEMENT THAT THE RULE

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OF LAW FORBID YOU DOING WHAT

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PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES

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WANTED YOU TO DO?

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>> REPRESENTATIVE, I’M SORRY, I

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SHOULD BE SAYING MR. CHAIRMAN,

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REPRESENTATIVE SCHIFF, THERE’S

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TWO SIDES TO THE ANSWER.

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ONE IS WHAT AM I ALLOWED TO DO

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AND WHAT AM I FORBIDDEN TO DO.

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WE HAVE NO LEGAL PATHWAY BOTH IN

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STATE LAW NOR TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN

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FEDERAL LAW FOR US TO EXECUTE

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SUCH A REQUEST.

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AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO WALK OR

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ACT BEYOND MY AUTHORITY IF I AM

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NOT SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED AS

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LEGISLATOR, AS A LEGISLATURE,

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THEN I CANNOT ACT.

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TO THE POINT OF CALLING US INTO

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SESSION.

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SOME SAY A FEW LEGISLATORS HAVE

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PLENARY AUTHORITY, AND THIS IS

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PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.

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SO TO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY AND BE

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FORBIDDEN TO ACT BEYOND MY

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AUTHORITY ON BOTH COUNTS, I AM

51:33.826 --> 51:35.678
NOT AUTHORIZED TO TAKE SUCH

51:35.680 --> 51:36.982
ACTION AND THAT WOULD DENY MY

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OATH.

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>> IN YOUR STATEMENT YOU

51:39.604 --> 51:40.834
INCLUDED EXCERPTS FROM PRESIDENT

51:40.835 --> 51:42.399
RONALD REAGAN’S INAUGURAL

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ADDRESS IN 1981.

51:43.764 --> 51:46.649
THE NEWLY INAUGURATED PRESIDENT

51:46.660 --> 51:48.435
TOLD THE COUNTRY, QUOTE, THE

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ORDERLY TRANSFER OF AUTHORITY IS

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CALLED FOR IN THE CONSTITUTION,

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ROUTINELY TAKES PLACE AS IT HAS

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FOR ALMOST TWO CENTURIES, AND

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FEW OF US STOP TO THINK HOW

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UNIQUE WE REALLY ARE, IN THE

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EYES OF MANY IN THE WORLD, THIS

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EVERY FOUR YEAR CEREMONY WE

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ACCEPT AS NORMAL IS NOTHING LESS

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THAN A MIRACLE.

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TELL US IF YOU WOULD, MR.

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SPEAKER, WHY DID YOU INCLUDE

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PRESIDENT REAGAN’S WORDS IN YOUR

52:15.847 --> 52:16.946
PUBLIC STATEMENT.

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, REPRESENTATIVE

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SCHIFF, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF

52:22.544 --> 52:24.104
ADMIRATION FOR RONALD REAGAN.

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I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF GOING

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TO HIS HOME WITH ONE OTHER

52:31.035 --> 52:38.328
PERSON AND WALKING THROUGH AND I

52:38.339 --> 52:42.017
HAVE A LOT OF ADMIRATION FOR

52:42.051 --> 52:43.495
HIM.

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WHEN HE POINTED OUT, I HAVE

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LIVED IN OTHER COUNTRY FOR A

52:50.474 --> 52:53.633
PERIOD OF TIME AND VISITED A FEW

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COUNTRIES, DURING ELECTION TIMES

52:57.043 --> 53:00.058
THE FACT THAT WE ALLOW AN

53:00.069 --> 53:01.685
ELECTION, SUPPORT AN ELECTION,

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AND STAND BEHIND THE ELECTION

53:03.393 --> 53:07.316
EVEN IN THE PAST WHEN THERE HAVE
BEEN SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE

53:07.350 --> 53:10.246
BEEN SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE

53:10.257 --> 53:17.512
ELECTION AND THEN MOVE ON

53:17.523 --> 53:19.781
WITHOUT DISTURBANCE AND

53:19.815 --> 53:21.866
ACCEPTANCE, THAT WE CHOOSE, WE

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CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE OUTCOME OF

53:26.247 --> 53:28.269
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

53:28.280 --> 53:34.600
THAT WILL MEANS A LOT TO ME AND
I KNOW MEANT A LOT TO HIM SO WE

53:34.611 --> 53:40.947
I KNOW MEANT A LOT TO HIM SO WE

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INCLUDED THAT.

53:44.165 --> 53:48.475
>> THANK YOU, SPEAKER BOWERS.

53:48.476 --> 53:52.755
I WANT TO LOOK EVEN MORE DEEPLY

53:52.766 --> 53:54.720
AT THE FAKE ELECTORS SCHEME.

53:54.721 --> 53:56.149
EVERY FOUR YEARS CITIZENS FROM

53:56.160 --> 53:58.598
ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES GO TO

53:58.631 --> 54:00.291
POLLS TO ELECT THEIR PRESIDENT.

54:00.302 --> 54:01.835
UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION WHEN WE

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CAST VOTES FOR PRESIDENT, WE ARE

54:04.512 --> 54:07.066
VOTING TO SEND ELECTORS PLEDGED

54:07.067 --> 54:10.359
TO OUR PREFERRED CANDIDATE TO

54:10.360 --> 54:12.161
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

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IN DECEMBER THEY MEET AND SEND

54:15.737 --> 54:16.676
VOTES TO WASHINGTON.

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THERE’S ONLY ONE LEGITIMATE

54:18.515 --> 54:20.543
SLATE OF ELECTORS FROM EACH

54:20.554 --> 54:20.994
STATE.

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ON JANUARY 6, CONGRESS MEETS TO

54:25.156 --> 54:28.328
COUNT THOSE VOTES AND WINNER OF

54:28.339 --> 54:30.271
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE

54:30.282 --> 54:31.154
BECOMES PRESIDENT.

54:31.165 --> 54:32.872
YOU’LL HEAR HOW THEY WERE

54:32.883 --> 54:34.836
INVOLVED IN COORDINATING THE

54:34.847 --> 54:37.968
PLOT TO REPLACE BIDEN ELECTORS

54:38.003 --> 54:40.030
WITH FAKE ELECTORS NOT CHOSEN BY

54:40.041 --> 54:40.698
VOTERS.

54:40.709 --> 54:43.355
YOU’LL HEAR HOW THE CAMPAIGN

54:43.389 --> 54:45.152
CONVINCED FAKE ELECTORS TO

54:45.163 --> 54:46.322
SUBMIT THOSE THROUGH FAKE

54:46.333 --> 54:47.638
CERTIFICATES, SAYING VOTES WOULD

54:47.672 --> 54:51.509
ONLY BE USED IN THE EVENT

54:51.520 --> 54:53.310
PRESIDENT TRUMP WON HIS LEGAL

54:53.311 --> 54:53.962
CHALLENGES.

54:53.963 --> 54:56.138
YET WHEN THE PRESIDENT LOST

54:56.173 --> 54:58.320
THOSE CHALLENGES AND THEY WERE

54:58.322 --> 55:00.687
REJECTED WITHOUT MERIT, THE FAKE

55:00.688 --> 55:01.884
ELECTOR SCHEME CONTINUED.

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AT THIS POINT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

55:04.353 --> 55:05.716
OWN LAWYERS SO-CALLED TEAM

55:05.751 --> 55:07.763
NORMAL WALKED AWAY RATHER THAN

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PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN AND HIS

55:09.653 --> 55:12.480
OWN WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S OFFICE

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SAID THE PLAN WAS NOT LEGALLY

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SOUND.

55:14.939 --> 55:18.971
LET’S PLAY THE FOLLOWING VIDEO

55:19.004 --> 55:20.764
PRODUCED BY THE SELECT

55:20.765 --> 55:21.344
COMMITTEE.

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>> I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE COUNCIL

55:23.470 --> 55:25.015
FOR HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE TO

55:25.049 --> 55:26.399
INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6 ATTACK

55:26.410 --> 55:28.966
ON THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL.

55:28.977 --> 55:31.030
NOVEMBER 18th, A LAWYER WORKING

55:31.064 --> 55:33.078
WITH TRUMP CAMPAIGN WROTE A MEMO

55:33.089 --> 55:35.044
ARGUING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN

55:35.078 --> 55:36.527
SHOULD ORGANIZE ITS OWN ELECTORS

55:36.538 --> 55:37.859
IN SWING STATES PRESIDENT TRUMP

55:37.870 --> 55:38.743
HAD LOST.

55:38.754 --> 55:40.432
THE SELECT COMMITTEE RECEIVED

55:40.466 --> 55:41.726
TESTIMONY THOSE CLOSE TO

55:41.737 --> 55:43.442
PRESIDENT TRUMP BEGAN PLANNING

55:43.476 --> 55:45.246
TO ORGANIZE FAKE ELECTORS FOR

55:45.247 --> 55:47.345
TRUMP IN STATES BIDEN WON IN

55:47.346 --> 55:48.497
WEEKS AFTER THE ELECTION.

55:48.508 --> 55:50.838
>> WHO DO YOU REMEMBER BEING

55:50.872 --> 55:53.052
INVOLVED IN THOSE EARLY

55:53.063 --> 55:55.177
DISCUSSIONS AROUND THANKSGIVING

55:55.211 --> 55:58.917
TIME REGARDING HAVING ALTERNATE

55:58.928 --> 56:03.918
ELECTORS MEET?
>> MR. GIULIANI, SEVERAL OF HIS

56:03.929 --> 56:07.496
>> MR. GIULIANI, SEVERAL OF HIS

56:07.507 --> 56:12.277
ASSOCIATES, MR. MEADOWS, MEMBERS

56:12.278 --> 56:13.297
OF CONGRESS.

56:13.298 --> 56:15.096
IT IS DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH

56:15.107 --> 56:17.321
IF THE MEMBERS I AM THINKING OF

56:17.332 --> 56:18.866
WERE INVOLVED DURING

56:18.899 --> 56:20.411
THANKSGIVING OR INVOLVED AS IT

56:20.422 --> 56:22.007
PROGRESSED THROUGH DECISION.

56:22.018 --> 56:25.255
>> AT THE PRESIDENT’S COLLECT

56:25.256 --> 56:26.648
REQUEST, RNC CAMPAIGN ASSISTED

56:26.659 --> 56:27.705
COORDINATING THIS EFFORT.

56:27.706 --> 56:29.362
>> WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY?

56:29.364 --> 56:31.703
>> ESSENTIALLY HE TURNED THE

56:31.714 --> 56:34.640
CALL OVER TO MR. EASTMAN WHO

56:34.674 --> 56:37.132
PROCEEDED TO TALK ABOUT THE

56:37.133 --> 56:39.764
IMPORTANCE OF THE RNC HELPING

56:39.775 --> 56:41.996
THE CAMPAIGN GATHER THESE

56:42.007 --> 56:44.194
CONTINGENT ELECTORS IN CASE ANY

56:44.228 --> 56:47.117
LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT WERE

56:47.128 --> 56:49.280
ONGOING CHANGED THE RESULT OF

56:49.313 --> 56:51.578
ANY OF THE STATES.

56:51.579 --> 56:54.244
I THINK MORE HELPING THEM REACH

56:54.255 --> 56:55.697
OUT AND ASSEMBLE THEM.

56:55.708 --> 56:58.399
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CAMPAIGN

56:58.434 --> 57:01.704
DID TAKE THE LEAD AND WE JUST

57:01.715 --> 57:03.798
WERE HELPING THEM IN THAT ROLE.

57:03.809 --> 57:05.685
>> AS PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS

57:05.696 --> 57:06.905
SUPPORTERS CONTINUED TO LOSE

57:06.916 --> 57:09.242
LAWSUITS, SOME CAMPAIGN LAWYERS

57:09.253 --> 57:10.476
BECAME CONVINCED CONVENING

57:10.510 --> 57:12.300
ELECTORS IN STATES TRUMP LOST

57:12.311 --> 57:14.766
WAS NO LONGER APPROPRIATE.

57:14.777 --> 57:17.267
>> I JUST REMEMBER, I REPLIED OR

57:17.278 --> 57:21.386
CALLED SOMEBODY SAYING UNLESS WE

57:21.387 --> 57:23.191
HAVE LITIGATION PENDING IN THESE

57:23.226 --> 57:24.678
STATES, I DON’T THINK THIS IS

57:24.689 --> 57:25.681
APPROPRIATE, THIS ISN’T THE

57:25.715 --> 57:27.170
RIGHT THING TO DO.

57:27.181 --> 57:28.740
I DON’T REMEMBER HOW I PHRASED

57:28.774 --> 57:31.586
IT, BUT I GOT INTO A LITTLE BIT

57:31.587 --> 57:34.433
OF A BACK AND FORTH, I THINK

57:34.434 --> 57:36.794
WITH KEN CHEESE BROE WHERE I

57:36.805 --> 57:40.154
SAID ALL RIGHT, GET AFTER IT.

57:40.188 --> 57:42.884
LIKE I’M OUT.

57:42.885 --> 57:47.038
>> AT THAT POINT I HAD JOSH

57:47.049 --> 57:50.747
FINDLAY EMAIL MR. CHESS BROE TO

57:50.758 --> 57:56.461
SAY THIS IS YOUR TASK.

57:56.496 --> 57:59.309
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR

57:59.320 --> 58:00.568
ELECTORAL COLLEGE ISSUES.

58:00.579 --> 58:02.574
IT WAS MY WAY OF TAKING THAT

58:02.585 --> 58:03.438
RESPONSIBILITY TO ZERO.

58:03.471 --> 58:04.660
>> THE COMMITTEE LEARNED THE

58:04.671 --> 58:06.967
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S OFFICE

58:06.978 --> 58:08.592
FELT THE PLAN WAS POTENTIALLY

58:08.626 --> 58:08.937
ILLEGAL.

58:08.939 --> 58:10.821
>> TO BE CLEAR, DID YOU HEAR THE

58:10.832 --> 58:13.395
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S OFFICE SAY

58:13.406 --> 58:15.201
THE PLAN TO HAVE ALTERNATE

58:15.212 --> 58:17.202
ELECTORS MEET AND CAST VOTES FOR

58:17.236 --> 58:19.263
TRUMP IN STATES HE LOST WAS NOT

58:19.274 --> 58:20.058
LEGALLY SOUND?

58:20.069 --> 58:21.074
>> YES, SIR.

58:21.085 --> 58:23.938
>> WHO WAS PRESENT FOR THAT

58:23.949 --> 58:25.342
MEETING THAT YOU REMEMBER?

58:25.353 --> 58:27.801
>> IT WAS IN OUR OFFICE,

58:27.812 --> 58:30.034
MR. MEADOWS, MR. GIULIANI AND A

58:30.069 --> 58:32.051
FEW OF GIULIANI’S AASSOCIATE

58:32.062 --> 58:32.791
ATMOSPHERE.

58:32.802 --> 58:34.689
>> SELECT COMMITTEE INTERVIEWED

58:34.700 --> 58:36.755
SEVERAL FAKE ELECTORS AND

58:36.789 --> 58:38.180
CAMPAIGN STAFF THAT HELPED

58:38.191 --> 58:39.933
ORGANIZE THE EFFORT.

58:39.944 --> 58:42.773
>> WE WERE KIND OF USEFUL IDIOTS

58:42.774 --> 58:45.998
AT THAT POINT, STRONG PART OF ME

58:46.009 --> 58:49.229
REALLY FEELS IT IS JUST KIND OF

58:49.240 --> 58:50.811
AS IT CONTINUED, FAILURE,

58:50.845 --> 58:52.925
FAILURE, THAT THAT GOT

58:52.936 --> 58:55.760
FORMULATED AS WHAT WE HAD ON THE

58:55.794 --> 58:57.524
TABLE, LET’S JUST DO IT.

58:57.526 --> 58:59.573
>> AND NOW AFTER WHAT WE’VE TOLD

58:59.574 --> 59:00.819
YOU TODAY ABOUT THE SELECT

59:00.830 --> 59:03.588
COMMITTEE’S INVESTIGATION ABOUT

59:03.599 --> 59:06.338
THE CONCLUSION OF THE

59:06.349 --> 59:08.408
PROGRESSIONAL LAWYERS, CLARK,

59:08.442 --> 59:10.993
MORGAN, JOSH FINDLAY ABOUT

59:11.004 --> 59:12.633
UNWILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN

59:12.634 --> 59:14.020
THE CONVENING OF THE ELECTORS,

59:14.022 --> 59:16.146
HOW DOES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR

59:16.147 --> 59:18.530
UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES?

59:18.565 --> 59:22.277
>> I’M ANGRY.

59:22.288 --> 59:24.270
I’M ANGRY.

59:24.281 --> 59:30.050
BECAUSE I THINK IN A SENSE NO

59:30.061 --> 59:33.163
ONE REALLY CARED IF PEOPLE WERE

59:33.164 --> 59:35.011
POTENTIALLY PUTTING THEMSELVES

59:35.022 --> 59:35.625
IN JEOPARDY.

59:35.636 --> 59:37.312
>> WOULD YOU HAVE NOT WANTED TO

59:37.345 --> 59:39.919
PARTICIPATE IN THIS ANY FURTHER

59:39.930 --> 59:40.490
AS WELL?

59:40.501 --> 59:42.426
>> ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT HAVE,

59:42.427 --> 59:44.188
HAD I KNOWN THE THREE MAIN

59:44.199 --> 59:47.055
LAWYERS FOR THE CAMPAIGN THAT I

59:47.088 --> 59:50.940
HAVE SPOKEN TO IN THE PAST AND

59:50.941 --> 59:52.741
LEADING UP WERE NOT ON BOARD.

59:52.742 --> 59:53.491
YEAH.

59:53.502 --> 59:56.511
>> I WAS TOLD THAT THESE WOULD

59:56.522 --> 01:00:00.137
ONLY COUNT IF A COURT RULED IN

01:00:00.148 --> 01:00:03.575
OUR FAVOR, SO THAT WOULD HAVE

01:00:03.576 --> 01:00:05.397
BEEN USING OUR ELECTORS, WELL,

01:00:05.408 --> 01:00:07.865
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN USING OUR

01:00:07.876 --> 01:00:10.290
ELECTORS IN WAYS WE WEREN’T TOLD

01:00:10.301 --> 01:00:11.552
ABOUT AND WE WOULDN’T HAVE

01:00:11.586 --> 01:00:12.097
SUPPORTED.

01:00:12.108 --> 01:00:13.846
>> DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY THE

01:00:13.857 --> 01:00:14.981
SELECT COMMITTEE INDICATE

01:00:14.992 --> 01:00:16.033
INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN TO

01:00:16.066 --> 01:00:18.139
ELECTORS IN SEVERAL STATES THAT

01:00:18.141 --> 01:00:20.151
THEY NEEDED TO CAST BALLOTS IN

01:00:20.152 --> 01:00:21.323
COMPLETE SECRECY.

01:00:21.324 --> 01:00:23.122
BECAUSE THE SCHEME INVOLVED FAKE

01:00:23.133 --> 01:00:24.404
ELECTORS, THOSE PARTICIPATING IN

01:00:24.438 --> 01:00:26.099
CERTAIN STATES HAD NO WAY TO

01:00:26.101 --> 01:00:27.229
COMPLY WITH STATE ELECTION LAWS

01:00:27.230 --> 01:00:28.433
LIKE WHERE THE ELECTORS WERE

01:00:28.434 --> 01:00:29.548
SUPPOSED TO MEET.

01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.100
ONE GROUP OF FAKE ELECTORS

01:00:31.111 --> 01:00:32.796
CONSIDERED HIDING OVERNIGHT TO

01:00:32.807 --> 01:00:34.415
ENSURE THEY COULD ACCESS THE

01:00:34.426 --> 01:00:35.676
STATE CAPITOL AS REQUIRED IN

01:00:35.711 --> 01:00:36.265
MICHIGAN.

01:00:36.276 --> 01:00:39.395
>> DID MR. NORTON SAY WHO HE WAS

01:00:39.406 --> 01:00:42.840
WORKING WITH AT ALL ON THIS TO

01:00:42.874 --> 01:00:44.019
HAVE ELECTORS MEET?

01:00:44.030 --> 01:00:47.989
>> HE SAID HE WAS WORKING WITH

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.159
THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN.

01:00:51.194 --> 01:00:54.699
HE TOLD ME THAT THE MICHIGAN

01:00:54.710 --> 01:00:56.717
REPUBLICAN ELECTORS WERE

01:00:56.751 --> 01:00:59.769
PLANNING TO MEET IN THE CAPITOL

01:00:59.780 --> 01:01:03.628
AND HIDE OVERNIGHT SO THAT THEY

01:01:03.662 --> 01:01:07.864
COULD FULFILL THE ROLE OF

01:01:07.875 --> 01:01:14.400
CASTING THEIR VOTE PER LAW IN

01:01:14.411 --> 01:01:18.179
THE MICHIGAN CHAMBERS AND I TOLD

01:01:18.190 --> 01:01:20.948
HIM IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT

01:01:20.959 --> 01:01:22.269
WAS INSANE AND INAPPROPRIATE.

01:01:22.303 --> 01:01:24.193
>> IN ONE STATE, THEY ASKED FOR

01:01:24.204 --> 01:01:25.569
A PROMISE THE CAMPAIGN WOULD PAY

01:01:25.603 --> 01:01:27.561
THEIR LEGAL FEES IF THEY WERE

01:01:27.572 --> 01:01:29.450
SUED OR CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

01:01:29.461 --> 01:01:31.583
ULTIMATELY, FAKE ELECTORS DID

01:01:31.594 --> 01:01:34.276
MEET DECEMBER 14th, 2020 IN

01:01:34.287 --> 01:01:36.071
ARIZONA, GEORGIA, MICHIGAN,

01:01:36.105 --> 01:01:37.401
PENNSYLVANIA, NEW MEXICO,

01:01:37.412 --> 01:01:38.562
NEVADA, AND WISCONSIN.

01:01:38.573 --> 01:01:40.468
AT THE REQUEST OF THE TRUMP

01:01:40.469 --> 01:01:41.846
CAMPAIGN, THE ELECTORS FROM

01:01:41.881 --> 01:01:44.175
THESE BATTLEGROUND STATES SIGNED

01:01:44.186 --> 01:01:46.804
DOCUMENTS FALSELY ASSERTING THEY

01:01:46.838 --> 01:01:49.437
WERE THE DULY ELECTED ELECTORS,

01:01:49.438 --> 01:01:50.775
SUBMITTED THEM TO NATIONAL

01:01:50.776 --> 01:01:52.133
ARCHIVES AND TO VICE PRESIDENT

01:01:52.134 --> 01:01:53.210
PENCE IN CAPACITY AS PRESIDENT

01:01:53.221 --> 01:01:55.636
OF THE SENATE.

01:01:55.670 --> 01:01:59.207
HERE’S WHAT SOME OF THE FAKE

01:01:59.208 --> 01:02:01.011
ELECTOR CERTIFICATES LOOKS LIKE.

01:02:01.022 --> 01:02:02.450
THESE HAD NO LEGAL EFFECT.

01:02:02.461 --> 01:02:04.585
IN AN EMAIL PRODUCED TO THE

01:02:04.618 --> 01:02:05.933
SELECT COMMITTEE, DR. EASTMAN

01:02:05.934 --> 01:02:07.138
TOLD TRUMP CAMPAIGN

01:02:07.149 --> 01:02:08.758
REPRESENTATIVE IT DID NOT MATTER

01:02:08.792 --> 01:02:10.262
THAT ELECTORS WERE NOT APPROVED

01:02:10.273 --> 01:02:12.002
BY A STATE AUTHORITY.

01:02:12.036 --> 01:02:14.901
QUOTE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE

01:02:14.912 --> 01:02:16.418
MULTIPLE SLATS OF ELECTORS

01:02:16.451 --> 01:02:17.407
DEMONSTRATES THE UNCERTAINTY OF

01:02:17.418 --> 01:02:17.781
EITHER.

01:02:17.792 --> 01:02:19.619
THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

01:02:19.630 --> 01:02:21.816
HE URGED THAT PENCE ACT BOLDLY

01:02:21.827 --> 01:02:22.854
AND BE CHALLENGED.

01:02:22.888 --> 01:02:24.428
DOCUMENTS PRODUCED TO THE SELECT

01:02:24.429 --> 01:02:26.512
COMMITTEE SHOW THE TRUMP

01:02:26.513 --> 01:02:28.982
CAMPAIGN TOOK STEPS TO ENSURE

01:02:28.993 --> 01:02:31.343
PHYSICAL COPIES OF FAKE

01:02:31.378 --> 01:02:32.850
ELECTORS’ VOTES WERE DELIVERED

01:02:32.861 --> 01:02:35.167
TO WASHINGTON FOR JANUARY 6.

01:02:35.201 --> 01:02:36.749
TEXT MESSAGES EXCHANGED BETWEEN

01:02:36.750 --> 01:02:38.654
REPUBLICAN PARTY OFFICIALS IN

01:02:38.665 --> 01:02:41.164
WISCONSIN SHOW JANUARY 4th, THE

01:02:41.175 --> 01:02:42.646
TRUMP CAMPAIGN ASKED FOR SOMEONE

01:02:42.657 --> 01:02:43.904
TO FLY FAKE ELECTORS DOCUMENTS

01:02:43.915 --> 01:02:44.900
TO WASHINGTON.

01:02:44.934 --> 01:02:46.840
A STAFFER FOR WISCONSIN SENATOR

01:02:46.851 --> 01:02:48.239
RON JOHNSON TEXTED A STAFFER FOR

01:02:48.273 --> 01:02:49.687
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE MINUTES

01:02:49.688 --> 01:02:53.138
BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE

01:02:53.149 --> 01:02:54.595
JOINT SESSION.

01:02:54.597 --> 01:02:56.585
THIS STAFFER STATED SENATOR

01:02:56.596 --> 01:02:58.753
JOHNSON WANTED TO DELIVER FAKE

01:02:58.764 --> 01:03:00.072
ELECTOR VOTES FROM MICHIGAN AND

01:03:00.083 --> 01:03:00.793
WISCONSIN.

01:03:00.827 --> 01:03:02.780
THE VICE PRESIDENT’S AIDE

01:03:02.791 --> 01:03:04.743
INSTRUCTED THEM NOT TO DELIVER

01:03:04.777 --> 01:03:05.987
FAKE VOTES TO THE VICE

01:03:05.998 --> 01:03:06.812
PRESIDENT.

01:03:06.846 --> 01:03:09.244
EVEN THOUGH THE FAKE SLATS WERE

01:03:09.255 --> 01:03:10.781
SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS AND THE

01:03:10.782 --> 01:03:12.188
EXECUTIVE BRANCH, THE VICE

01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.921
PRESIDENT SAID HIS ROLE WAS TO

01:03:15.932 --> 01:03:16.997
COUNT LAWFULLY SUBMITTED

01:03:17.008 --> 01:03:17.940
ELECTORAL VOTES.

01:03:17.951 --> 01:03:21.871
>> JOSEPH R BIDEN FROM STATE OF

01:03:21.882 --> 01:03:23.323
DELAWARE GOT 306 VOTES.

01:03:23.324 --> 01:03:25.676
DONALD J. TRUMP WITH STATE OF

01:03:25.687 --> 01:03:26.904
FLORIDA GOT 232 VOTES.

01:03:26.915 --> 01:03:30.902
>> WHICH IS WHAT HE DID WHEN THE
JOINT SESSION RESUMED JANUARY 6

01:03:30.913 --> 01:03:32.524
JOINT SESSION RESUMED JANUARY 6

01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.396
AFTER THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

01:03:37.397 --> 01:03:40.893
>> WE JUST HEARD IN THAT VIDEO

01:03:40.904 --> 01:03:43.046
WAS AN AIDE TO THE WHITE HOUSE

01:03:43.057 --> 01:03:44.760
CHIEF OF STAFF TELLING THE

01:03:44.771 --> 01:03:46.854
COMMITTEE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE

01:03:46.887 --> 01:03:49.506
COUNSEL’S OFFICE FELT THIS FAKE

01:03:49.517 --> 01:03:51.369
ELECTORS PLAN WAS NOT LEGALLY

01:03:51.380 --> 01:03:51.721
SOUND.

01:03:51.732 --> 01:03:53.817
NEVERTHELESS, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN

01:03:53.828 --> 01:03:55.321
WENT FORWARD WITH THE SCHEME

01:03:55.354 --> 01:03:56.263
ANYWAY.

01:03:56.265 --> 01:03:58.693
SPEAKER BOWERS, WERE YOU AWARE

01:03:58.694 --> 01:04:01.704
FAKE ELECTORS MET IN PHOENIX

01:04:01.706 --> 01:04:03.495
DECEMBER 14th, PURPORTED TO CAST

01:04:03.496 --> 01:04:04.399
ELECTORAL VOTES FOR PRESIDENT

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:04.749
TRUMP?

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.402
>> I WAS NOT.

01:04:07.436 --> 01:04:10.591
>> WHEN YOU LEARNED ELECTORS MET

01:04:10.602 --> 01:04:13.005
AND SENT ELECTORAL VOTES TO

01:04:13.016 --> 01:04:15.913
WASHINGTON, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

01:04:15.924 --> 01:04:19.316
>> WELL, I THOUGHT OF THE BOOK

01:04:19.317 --> 01:04:21.510
"THE GAME THAT COULDN’T SHOOT

01:04:21.511 --> 01:04:23.232
STRAIGHT."

01:04:23.243 --> 01:04:29.180
I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS A TRAGIC

01:04:29.214 --> 01:04:29.893
PARODY.

01:04:29.904 --> 01:04:32.296
>> I UNDERSTAND YOU FLEW FROM

01:04:32.307 --> 01:04:33.794
PHOENIX TO WASHINGTON YESTERDAY,

01:04:33.828 --> 01:04:35.476
YOU REFLECTED ON PASSAGES FROM A

01:04:35.487 --> 01:04:37.272
PERSONAL JOURNAL THAT YOU WERE

01:04:37.283 --> 01:04:39.205
KEEPING IN DECEMBER, 2020 WHILE

01:04:39.216 --> 01:04:40.873
ALL THIS WAS TAKING PLACE.

01:04:40.884 --> 01:04:42.276
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WONDER

01:04:42.310 --> 01:04:44.576
IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE

01:04:44.578 --> 01:04:48.609
ONE PASSAGE IN PARTICULAR WITH

01:04:48.620 --> 01:04:50.203
US.

01:04:50.237 --> 01:04:54.035
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

01:04:54.046 --> 01:04:57.058
IT IS PAINFUL TO HAVE FRIENDS

01:04:57.092 --> 01:05:01.843
WHO HAVE BEEN SUCH A HELP TO ME

01:05:01.854 --> 01:05:04.746
TURN ON ME WITH SUCH RANCOR.

01:05:04.780 --> 01:05:07.774
I MAY IN THE EYES OF MEN NOT

01:05:07.775 --> 01:05:09.811
HOLD CORRECT OPINIONS OR ACT

01:05:09.822 --> 01:05:11.620
ACCORDING TO THEIR VERSION OR

01:05:11.631 --> 01:05:13.479
CONVICTIONS, BUT I DO NOT TAKE

01:05:13.513 --> 01:05:16.161
THIS CURRENT SITUATION IN A

01:05:16.162 --> 01:05:19.891
LIGHT MANNER, A FEARFUL MANNER,

01:05:19.902 --> 01:05:22.115
OR VENGEFUL MANNER.

01:05:22.126 --> 01:05:26.192
I DO NOT WANT TO BE A WINNER BY

01:05:26.203 --> 01:05:26.727
CHEATING.

01:05:26.761 --> 01:05:31.835
I WILL NOT PLAY WITH LAWS I

01:05:31.846 --> 01:05:34.310
SWORE ALLEGIANCE TO.

01:05:34.321 --> 01:05:37.492
WITH ANY CONTRIVED DESIRE

01:05:37.526 --> 01:05:42.731
TOWARDS DEFLECTION OF MY DEEP

01:05:42.732 --> 01:05:46.483
FOUNDATIONAL DESIRE TO FOLLOW

01:05:46.494 --> 01:05:53.456
GOD’S WILL AS I BELIEVE HE LED

01:05:53.467 --> 01:05:56.082
MY CONSCIENCE TO EMBRACE.

01:05:56.093 --> 01:05:59.651
HOW ELSE WILL I EVER APPROACH

01:05:59.685 --> 01:06:02.173
HIM IN THE WILDERNESS OF LIFE

01:06:02.184 --> 01:06:05.452
KNOWING THAT I ASK OF THIS

01:06:05.463 --> 01:06:07.845
GUIDANCE ONLY TO SHOW MYSELF A

01:06:07.879 --> 01:06:10.017
COWARD IN DEFENDING THE COURSE

01:06:10.018 --> 01:06:13.265
HE LET ME TAKE.

01:06:13.276 --> 01:06:15.935
HE LED ME TO TAKE.

01:06:15.946 --> 01:06:17.965
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER,

01:06:17.976 --> 01:06:19.169
POWERFUL WORDS.

01:06:19.180 --> 01:06:21.233
I UNDERSTAND TAKING COURAGEOUS

01:06:21.268 --> 01:06:22.945
POSITIONS THAT YOU DID FOLLOWING

01:06:22.947 --> 01:06:25.364
THE 2020 ELECTION IN DEFENSE OF

01:06:25.375 --> 01:06:26.975
THE RULE OF LAW AND PROTECTING

01:06:26.986 --> 01:06:28.579
VOTERS OF ARIZONA RESULTED IN

01:06:28.590 --> 01:06:30.201
YOU AND YOUR FAMILY BEING

01:06:30.212 --> 01:06:31.574
SUBJECTED TO PROTESTS AND

01:06:31.585 --> 01:06:32.136
TERRIBLE THREATS.

01:06:32.169 --> 01:06:35.591
CAN YOU TELL US HOW THIS

01:06:35.602 --> 01:06:39.437
IMPACTED YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?

01:06:39.470 --> 01:06:43.763
>> WELL, AS OTHERS IN VIDEOS

01:06:43.774 --> 01:06:45.713
MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED MY

01:06:45.724 --> 01:06:48.634
SECRETARIES WOULD SAY IN EXCESS

01:06:48.668 --> 01:06:52.419
OF 20,000 EMAILS AND TENS OF

01:06:52.420 --> 01:06:54.742
THOUSANDS OF VOICE MAILS AND

01:06:54.753 --> 01:06:57.048
TEXTS WHICH SATURATED THE

01:06:57.059 --> 01:07:02.142
OFFICES AND WE WERE UNABLE TO

01:07:02.153 --> 01:07:05.271
WORK OR COMMUNICATE.

01:07:05.282 --> 01:07:08.481
AT HOME UP UNTIL RECENTLY IT IS

01:07:08.492 --> 01:07:10.698
THE NEW PATTERN OR PATTERN IN

01:07:10.731 --> 01:07:14.185
OUR LIVES TO WORRY WHAT WILL

01:07:14.196 --> 01:07:19.383
HAPPEN ON SATURDAYS BECAUSE WE

01:07:19.394 --> 01:07:22.997
HAVE VARIOUS GROUPS COME BY AND

01:07:23.008 --> 01:07:25.893
THEY HAVE HAD VIDEO PANEL TRUCKS

01:07:25.904 --> 01:07:28.748
WITH VIDEOS OF ME PROCLAIMING ME

01:07:28.759 --> 01:07:33.698
TO BE A PEDOPHILE AND PERVERT

01:07:33.709 --> 01:07:37.455
AND CORRUPT POLITICIAN AND

01:07:37.489 --> 01:07:40.947
BLARING LOUD SPEAKERS IN MY

01:07:40.958 --> 01:07:42.799
NEIGHBORHOOD AND LEAVING

01:07:42.833 --> 01:07:45.047
LITERATURE BOTH ON MY PROPERTY

01:07:45.058 --> 01:07:49.569
BUT ARGUING AND THREATENING WITH

01:07:49.570 --> 01:07:51.376
NEIGHBORS AND WITH MYSELF.

01:07:51.387 --> 01:07:53.494
AND I DON’T KNOW IF I SHOULD

01:07:53.505 --> 01:07:55.369
NAME GROUPS BUT THERE WAS ONE

01:07:55.403 --> 01:07:58.511
GENTLEMAN THAT HAD THE THREE

01:07:58.522 --> 01:08:02.228
BARS ON HIS CHEST AND HE HAD A

01:08:02.229 --> 01:08:05.246
PISTOL AND WAS THREATENING MY

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.822
NEIGHBOR NOT WITH THE PISTOL BUT

01:08:07.833 --> 01:08:09.206
JUST VOCALLY.

01:08:09.207 --> 01:08:15.877
WHEN I SAW THE GUN, I KNEW I HAD

01:08:15.888 --> 01:08:18.156
TO GET CLOSE.

01:08:18.167 --> 01:08:24.156
AND AT THE SAME TIME, ON SOME OF

01:08:24.157 --> 01:08:31.514
THESE WE HAD A DAUGHTER WHO WAS
GRAVELY ILL WHO WAS UPSET BY

01:08:31.516 --> 01:08:34.858
GRAVELY ILL WHO WAS UPSET BY

01:08:34.869 --> 01:08:42.683
WHAT WAS HAPPENING OUTSIDE.
MY WIFE WAS A VALIANT PERSON,

01:08:42.694 --> 01:08:45.283
MY WIFE WAS A VALIANT PERSON,

01:08:45.285 --> 01:08:49.601
VERY STRONG, QUIET, VERY STRONG

01:08:49.603 --> 01:08:50.335
WOMAN.

01:08:50.336 --> 01:08:53.309
SO IT WAS DISTURBING.

01:08:53.320 --> 01:08:55.288
IT WAS DISTURBING.

01:08:55.299 --> 01:08:57.839
>> MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK

01:08:57.850 --> 01:08:59.970
YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE

01:08:59.981 --> 01:09:01.261
STATE OF ARIZONA AND TO THE

01:09:01.272 --> 01:09:01.640
COUNTRY.

01:09:01.641 --> 01:09:03.133
MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS POINT, I

01:09:03.168 --> 01:09:05.820
THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO

01:09:05.831 --> 01:09:06.956
TAKE A SHORT RECESS.

01:09:06.967 --> 01:09:11.322
WHERE I MAY RESERVE THE BALANCE

01:09:11.333 --> 01:09:13.269
OF MY TIME.

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:16.245
>> THE CHAIR REQUESTS THAT THOSE

01:09:16.256 --> 01:09:18.706
IN HEARING ROOM REMAIN SEATED

01:09:18.739 --> 01:09:20.128
UNTIL THE CAPITOL POLICE HAVE

01:09:20.139 --> 01:09:23.482
ESCORTED MEMBERS AND WITNESSES

01:09:23.515 --> 01:09:25.459
FROM THE ROOM.
WE’LL HAVE FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:26.260
WE’LL HAVE FIVE MINUTE RECESS.M.

01:09:26.271 --> 01:09:27.322
WE’LL HAVE FIVE MINUTE RECESS.M.

01:09:27.333 --> 01:09:29.976
WE’LL HAVE FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

01:09:29.987 --> 01:09:33.147
>> THE GAVEL OF THE CHAIRMAN

01:09:33.158 --> 01:09:34.908
TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS

01:09:34.919 --> 01:09:36.107
AFTER POWERFUL TESTIMONY.

01:09:36.118 --> 01:09:39.264
I AM HERE WITH HALLIE JACKSON

01:09:39.298 --> 01:09:42.082
AND KATY TUR.

01:09:42.093 --> 01:09:45.065
LADIES, THAT WAS RUSTY BOWERS,

01:09:45.099 --> 01:09:46.664
REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER

01:09:46.675 --> 01:09:48.104
TESTIFYING HOW HE REPEATEDLY

01:09:48.115 --> 01:09:51.834
STOOD UP TO PRESSURE FROM THE

01:09:51.845 --> 01:09:54.231
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

01:09:54.242 --> 01:09:55.751
FROM GIULIANI, FROM ELLIS,

01:09:55.762 --> 01:09:57.793
OTHERS ON THE STOP THE STEAL

01:09:57.826 --> 01:10:00.672
COMMITTEE, TRYING TO PRESSURE

01:10:00.673 --> 01:10:03.229
HIM TO CHANGE THE VOTE, TO

01:10:03.240 --> 01:10:07.020
DECERTIFY THE BIDEN ELECTORS WHO

01:10:07.031 --> 01:10:10.205
HAD BEEN LEGALLY ELECTED.
CHENEY, LIZ CHENEY GIVING THE

01:10:10.216 --> 01:10:12.021
CHENEY, LIZ CHENEY GIVING THE

01:10:12.032 --> 01:10:18.388
WITNESS A HUG AS HE WALKED OFF.

01:10:18.422 --> 01:10:20.761
THIS WAS SO STRAIGHTFORWARD.

01:10:20.772 --> 01:10:21.749
SO DELIBERATE.

01:10:21.784 --> 01:10:25.616
HE WAS SORT OF A JIMMY STEWART

01:10:25.627 --> 01:10:27.227
FIGURE SPEAKING BEFORE THE HOUSE

01:10:27.238 --> 01:10:28.036
COMMITTEE.

01:10:28.038 --> 01:10:31.037
IF I MAY JUST RECALL SOMETHING

01:10:31.038 --> 01:10:33.383
FROM AN OLD MOVIE, HE WAS

01:10:33.394 --> 01:10:35.098
SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER WHEN HE

01:10:35.131 --> 01:10:36.648
ARGUED WITH DONALD TRUMP, SAID

01:10:36.659 --> 01:10:38.359
HE DID NOT HAVE THE POWER.

01:10:38.394 --> 01:10:40.022
HE WAS ASKED ABOUT A TRUMP

01:10:40.033 --> 01:10:42.371
STATEMENT, ADAM SCHIFF ASKED

01:10:42.382 --> 01:10:44.403
ABOUT A TRUMP STATEMENT TODAY

01:10:44.438 --> 01:10:46.580
SAYING BOWERS AT ONE POINT TOLD

01:10:46.581 --> 01:10:48.976
HIM THE ELECTION HAD BEEN RIGGED

01:10:48.987 --> 01:10:51.239
AND TRUMP HAD WON ARIZONA.

01:10:51.273 --> 01:10:52.744
AND HE SAID, SCHIFF SAID, DID

01:10:52.745 --> 01:10:54.926
YOU HAVE SUCH A CONVERSATION

01:10:54.937 --> 01:10:56.195
WITH THE PRESIDENT?

01:10:56.206 --> 01:10:58.066
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION,

01:10:58.101 --> 01:10:59.935
TESTIFIED BOWERS, BUT THAT WAS

01:10:59.946 --> 01:11:01.376
CERTAINLY NOT IT.

01:11:01.387 --> 01:11:05.699
HE WENT ON TO TALK AS HIS

01:11:05.733 --> 01:11:08.160
TESTIMONY BUILT ABOUT HOW MUCH

01:11:08.161 --> 01:11:09.983
PRESSURE HE WAS UNDER, INCLUDING

01:11:09.994 --> 01:11:11.791
OUTSIDE HIS HOUSE WHEN HIS

01:11:11.825 --> 01:11:13.106
DAUGHTER WAS GRAVELY ILL.

01:11:13.117 --> 01:11:15.389
KATY TUR, I DON’T KNOW HOW TO

01:11:15.400 --> 01:11:16.709
SUMMARIZE THE POWER OF HIS

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:17.411
STRAIGHTFORWARD TESTIMONY.

01:11:17.446 --> 01:11:20.170
>> LET’S JUST REPEAT WHAT HE

01:11:20.181 --> 01:11:21.833
SAID THERE AT THE END.

01:11:21.866 --> 01:11:23.861
I DON’T WANT TO BE A WINNER BY

01:11:23.872 --> 01:11:25.484
CHEATING, THIS IS WHAT HE WROTE

01:11:25.518 --> 01:11:27.090
IN HIS DIARY AFTER THIS WAS ALL

01:11:27.101 --> 01:11:28.168
GOING DOWN.

01:11:28.179 --> 01:11:30.327
AGAIN, THE PATTERN WE SAW, THAT

01:11:30.338 --> 01:11:32.387
WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR IN THE

01:11:32.421 --> 01:11:34.375
HEARINGS, NOT TO BE A BROKEN

01:11:34.386 --> 01:11:36.387
RECORD, BUT I THINK IT BEARS

01:11:36.398 --> 01:11:38.441
REPEATING, DONALD TRUMP WAS TOLD

01:11:38.475 --> 01:11:41.507
THAT THERE WAS NOT A WAY TO

01:11:41.508 --> 01:11:44.227
DECERTIFY THE ELECTION WITHIN

01:11:44.238 --> 01:11:46.265
THE STATES, THAT RUSTY BOWERS

01:11:46.299 --> 01:11:47.881
COULDN’T CALL A SPECIAL HEARING.

01:11:47.892 --> 01:11:49.549
HE WAS ASKED, HE ASKED DONALD

01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:50.544
TRUMP FOR THE EVIDENCE.

01:11:50.578 --> 01:11:52.307
DONALD TRUMP SAID WE’RE GOING TO

01:11:52.309 --> 01:11:54.850
GET IT TO YOU.

01:11:54.861 --> 01:11:56.952
TOLD JENNA ELLIS, RUDY GIULIANI,

01:11:56.987 --> 01:11:58.357
GET HIM THE EVIDENCE.

01:11:58.368 --> 01:11:59.877
THE EVIDENCE NEVER CAME.

01:11:59.888 --> 01:12:02.719
THEN WE HEAR ABOUT MORE STATES,

01:12:02.752 --> 01:12:05.773
INCLUDING ARIZONA, HAVING FAKE

01:12:05.784 --> 01:12:07.240
ELECTORS WHO SENT DOCUMENTATION

01:12:07.251 --> 01:12:09.764
TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING

01:12:09.775 --> 01:12:12.080
THAT THEY WERE DULY ELECTED

01:12:12.114 --> 01:12:13.700
ELECTORS, DULY CERTIFIED

01:12:13.711 --> 01:12:15.574
ELECTORS AND THEY WERE CASTING

01:12:15.585 --> 01:12:18.424
BALLOTS IN THE NAME OF THEIR

01:12:18.426 --> 01:12:21.229
STATE, AND MY QUESTION TO OUR

01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:24.112
LEGAL ANALYST IS WELL, IS THAT A

01:12:24.123 --> 01:12:26.120
FELONY, SENDING A DOCUMENT LIKE

01:12:26.154 --> 01:12:28.123
THAT, A CERTIFIED, CERTIFIED

01:12:28.124 --> 01:12:30.373
DOCUMENT LIKE THAT THAT THEY

01:12:30.375 --> 01:12:31.989
KNOW IS FAKE TO THE FEDERAL

01:12:31.990 --> 01:12:32.347
GOVERNMENT?

01:12:32.358 --> 01:12:35.319
>> A LOT OF TAKE AWAYS FROM WHAT

01:12:35.330 --> 01:12:38.072
WE JUST HEARD IN ADDITION TO THE

01:12:38.083 --> 01:12:41.219
POINT YOU RAISE AND THE

01:12:41.230 --> 01:12:43.502
TESTIMONY OF RUSTY BOWERS, THE

01:12:43.535 --> 01:12:44.999
STRENGTH OF HIS CONVICTION ON

01:12:45.010 --> 01:12:46.105
THE CONSTITUTION.

01:12:46.116 --> 01:12:48.548
YOU HAD A REAL EMPHASIS IN

01:12:48.559 --> 01:12:50.238
LOOKING AHEAD, AND YOU HEARD

01:12:50.272 --> 01:12:51.821
CONGRESSMAN SCHIFF SAY THE

01:12:51.832 --> 01:12:53.211
SYSTEM HELD, BUT BARELY.

01:12:53.246 --> 01:12:55.237
IN OTHER WORDS, THE BULLET WAS

01:12:55.248 --> 01:12:56.562
DODGED, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT

01:12:56.573 --> 01:12:57.389
TIME.

01:12:57.400 --> 01:12:58.878
THAT’S THE THREAD THEY’RE

01:12:58.889 --> 01:13:01.510
LEAVING DANGLING AT THIS POINT.

01:13:01.545 --> 01:13:03.375
I WANT TO REFERENCE INVOLVEMENT

01:13:03.386 --> 01:13:05.465
WE HEARD, THESE ARE PIECES OF

01:13:05.466 --> 01:13:06.398
INFORMATION FROM MEMBERS OF

01:13:06.409 --> 01:13:06.844
CONGRESS.

01:13:06.855 --> 01:13:08.861
PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW HAVE BEEN

01:13:08.894 --> 01:13:10.286
EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF DONALD

01:13:10.297 --> 01:13:12.444
TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT, HIS

01:13:12.455 --> 01:13:14.196
LIES ABOUT THE ELECTION.

01:13:14.230 --> 01:13:16.014
CONGRESSMAN ANDY BIGGS REACHING

01:13:16.025 --> 01:13:18.179
OUT TO MR. BOWERS IN ARIZONA.

01:13:18.190 --> 01:13:22.038
RON JOHNSON’S AIDE TRYING TO GET

01:13:22.049 --> 01:13:26.112
HIS BOSS TO PHYSICALLY GIVE FAKE

01:13:26.123 --> 01:13:27.575
ELECTOR CERTIFICATES TO THEN

01:13:27.586 --> 01:13:29.553
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AND AN

01:13:29.564 --> 01:13:31.145
AIDE SAYING NO, YOU DO NOT GIVE

01:13:31.146 --> 01:13:32.331
THAT TO HIM.

01:13:32.332 --> 01:13:35.560
SOME NEW PIECES OF INFORMATION.

01:13:35.571 --> 01:13:37.448
LET’S BRING IN ALI VITALE.

01:13:37.459 --> 01:13:40.428
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM INSIDE

01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:42.555
THE ROOM WHERE MR. BOWERS WAS

01:13:42.566 --> 01:13:44.115
VISIBLY, AUDIBLY EMOTIONAL,

01:13:44.126 --> 01:13:45.973
SEEKING TO COMPOSE HIMSELF

01:13:46.007 --> 01:13:47.661
BEFORE TALKING AGAIN,

01:13:47.672 --> 01:13:50.849
SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT CAME TO HIS

01:13:50.850 --> 01:13:52.785
FAITH AND HIS FAITH IN THE

01:13:52.796 --> 01:13:55.837
CONSTITUTION AND HOW IT EFFECTED

01:13:55.848 --> 01:13:57.753
HIS FAMILY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.

01:13:57.786 --> 01:13:58.107
ALI?

01:13:58.118 --> 01:14:00.280
>> Reporter: THOSE WERE THE TWO

01:14:00.291 --> 01:14:01.866
PRONGS OF THE HEARING.

01:14:01.868 --> 01:14:03.845
THERE WAS BOTH THE DIRECT THREAT

01:14:03.856 --> 01:14:05.381
OF VIOLENCE AND THREATS AGAINST

01:14:05.392 --> 01:14:07.089
THE ELECTION OFFICIALS,

01:14:07.123 --> 01:14:08.970
INCLUDING RUSTY BOWERS DETAILED

01:14:08.972 --> 01:14:11.211
AT LENGTH, NOT JUST IN ARIZONA

01:14:11.222 --> 01:14:12.891
BUT PLACES LIKE MICHIGAN AND

01:14:12.893 --> 01:14:14.323
PENNSYLVANIA AND GEORGIA, THINGS

01:14:14.334 --> 01:14:16.268
THAT WE KNEW ABOUT AT THE TIME

01:14:16.302 --> 01:14:17.845
BUT HEARING PEOPLE AT THE CENTER

01:14:17.856 --> 01:14:19.807
OF THEM TALK ABOUT HOW THEIR

01:14:19.818 --> 01:14:21.558
KIDS WERE HOME ALONE, PROTESTERS

01:14:21.569 --> 01:14:22.934
WERE OUTSIDE THREATENING THEM,

01:14:22.945 --> 01:14:24.692
THEY HAD TO DISCONNECT THEIR

01:14:24.725 --> 01:14:26.072
PHONE LINES, THAT WAS ONE KEY
PIECE.

01:14:26.073 --> 01:14:33.610
THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER, FALSE

01:14:33.644 --> 01:14:36.190
SLATES OF ELECTORS, INCLUDING

01:14:36.201 --> 01:14:38.215
EMAILS ON HOW THE STRATEGY WOULD

01:14:38.249 --> 01:14:39.424
BE PULLED OFF.

01:14:39.435 --> 01:14:41.175
IN THE ROOM THERE WERE CERTAIN

01:14:41.209 --> 01:14:44.265
MOMENTS PEOPLE SNAPPED TO

01:14:44.276 --> 01:14:45.141
ATTENTION.

01:14:45.152 --> 01:14:45.851
OVERALL SHALL

01:14:45.885 --> 01:14:47.831
OVERALL THE ROOM WAS WRAPPED

01:14:47.842 --> 01:14:49.202
DURING HIS TESTIMONY.

01:14:49.213 --> 01:14:51.054
PEOPLE LIKE CONGRESSWOMAN

01:14:51.065 --> 01:14:53.511
STEPHANIE MURPHY NODDING ALONG,

01:14:53.545 --> 01:14:55.044
SMILING, ALMOST EMPATHIZING WITH

01:14:55.046 --> 01:14:56.412
EMOTION HE WAS GIVING TO THE

01:14:56.423 --> 01:14:56.988
TESTIMONY.

01:14:57.023 --> 01:14:59.111
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE

01:14:59.112 --> 01:15:00.548
HAD BEEN FLAGGED TO BY THE

01:15:00.559 --> 01:15:01.826
COMMITTEE THE NIGHT BEFORE,

01:15:01.860 --> 01:15:04.761
SAYING THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME

01:15:04.763 --> 01:15:07.232
WE WERE GOING TO HEAR SPEAKER

01:15:07.243 --> 01:15:09.742
BOWERS IN HIS OWN WORDS TALK

01:15:09.743 --> 01:15:11.363
ABOUT THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGN AND

01:15:11.374 --> 01:15:14.785
WAYS HE HELD FAST AGAINST IT.

01:15:14.819 --> 01:15:17.072
I THINK THERE ARE BREAD CRUMBS

01:15:17.083 --> 01:15:18.726
THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT MOVING

01:15:18.737 --> 01:15:20.907
FORWARD AND AS WE LOOK AT THE

01:15:20.918 --> 01:15:22.494
ROLE OTHER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS

01:15:22.505 --> 01:15:23.519
PLAYED BEFORE GOING INTO THE

01:15:23.530 --> 01:15:23.931
HEARING.

01:15:23.942 --> 01:15:25.385
CHAIRMAN BENNY THOMPSON SAID

01:15:25.418 --> 01:15:27.496
THEY WOULD DETAIL IN A FEW

01:15:27.497 --> 01:15:29.717
WEEKS, HIS WORDS, THE ROLES THAT

01:15:29.728 --> 01:15:31.314
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS PLAYED.

01:15:31.348 --> 01:15:33.067
THEY’VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT

01:15:33.078 --> 01:15:36.043
PEOPLE LIKE SCOTT PERRY ASKED

01:15:36.054 --> 01:15:37.715
FOR PARDONS, THAT CONGRESSMAN

01:15:37.726 --> 01:15:39.532
BIGGS ALSO ASKED FOR A PARDON.

01:15:39.543 --> 01:15:41.105
WE’RE NOW GETTING MORE

01:15:41.140 --> 01:15:42.852
INFORMATION ON THE ROLE SENATOR

01:15:42.863 --> 01:15:43.733
RON JOHNSON POTENTIALLY COULD

01:15:43.734 --> 01:15:44.635
HAVE PLAYED.

01:15:44.646 --> 01:15:48.295
YOU WERE TALKING BEFORE ABOUT

01:15:48.329 --> 01:15:49.635
THOSE TEXT MESSAGES.

01:15:49.636 --> 01:15:51.157
THAT’S THE KEY THREADS PEOPLE

01:15:51.168 --> 01:15:53.102
ARE PULLING ON AS WE SEE WHAT IT

01:15:53.136 --> 01:15:54.664
LOOKED LIKE NOT JUST FROM THE

01:15:54.666 --> 01:15:56.054
STATE LEVEL BUT MEMBERS OF THE

01:15:56.065 --> 01:15:57.495
BODY THAT THE COMMITTEE IS PART

01:15:57.506 --> 01:15:58.465
OF IN CONGRESS.

01:15:58.476 --> 01:16:00.027
SO A LOT OF THINGS TO PULL ON

01:16:00.038 --> 01:16:00.979
HERE.

01:16:00.990 --> 01:16:03.443
AND THAT’S JUST PANEL ONE.

01:16:03.454 --> 01:16:05.233
>> BACK WITH US.

01:16:05.244 --> 01:16:10.145
I WANT TO BRING IN THE PANEL.

01:16:10.179 --> 01:16:13.220
CHUCK ROSENBERG, JOYCE VANCE,

01:16:13.222 --> 01:16:14.196
MICHAEL STEELE.

01:16:14.207 --> 01:16:17.523
CHUCK, YOU AND OTHERS ON THE

01:16:17.524 --> 01:16:18.657
PANEL FACED JURIES.

01:16:18.668 --> 01:16:20.882
HERE IT IS PUBLIC OPINION.

01:16:20.883 --> 01:16:23.021
YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN ARIZONA

01:16:23.032 --> 01:16:24.062
OFFICIAL WHO SUPPORTED DONALD

01:16:24.064 --> 01:16:25.196
TRUMP.

01:16:25.197 --> 01:16:28.514
AND LISTEN TO PART OF HIS

01:16:28.516 --> 01:16:30.237
EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW HE

01:16:30.238 --> 01:16:32.628
TOLD THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND

01:16:32.629 --> 01:16:34.958
OTHERS ON THE TEAM HE COULD NOT

01:16:34.969 --> 01:16:36.749
VIOLATE HIS FAITH SHALL HIS

01:16:36.783 --> 01:16:39.404
BELIEF THAT THE CONSTITUTION WAS

01:16:39.415 --> 01:16:41.603
DIVINELY ORDAINED.

01:16:41.614 --> 01:16:46.481
LISTEN TO RUSTY BOWERS.
>> THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS

01:16:46.515 --> 01:16:48.254
>> THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS

01:16:48.265 --> 01:16:52.629
DIVINELY INSPIRED OF THE MOST

01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.689
BASIC FOUNDATIONAL BELIEFS.

01:16:54.700 --> 01:16:56.739
FOR ME TO DO THAT BECAUSE

01:16:56.773 --> 01:17:00.955
SOMEBODY ASKED ME TO IS FOREIGN

01:17:00.966 --> 01:17:02.318
TO MY VERY BEING.

01:17:02.353 --> 01:17:04.518
I WILL NOT DO IT.

01:17:04.529 --> 01:17:06.712
>> CHUCK, IF PRESENTING TO A

01:17:06.723 --> 01:17:07.846
JURY, HOW POWERFUL IS THIS

01:17:07.857 --> 01:17:08.876
WITNESS?

01:17:08.910 --> 01:17:10.496
>> EXTRAORDINARILY POWERFUL,

01:17:10.507 --> 01:17:11.232
ANDREA.

01:17:11.267 --> 01:17:14.310
WE HAVE A TENDENCY, A MISTAKE TO

01:17:14.321 --> 01:17:15.635
DEMONIZE PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE

01:17:15.646 --> 01:17:16.534
DISAGREE.

01:17:16.568 --> 01:17:18.749
WHATEVER YOUR PARTY AND

01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:20.736
AFFILIATION, YOUR POLITICS,

01:17:20.770 --> 01:17:23.370
THANK GOODNESS THERE ARE PEOPLE

01:17:23.381 --> 01:17:27.080
IN BOTH PARTIES LIKE RUSTY

01:17:27.114 --> 01:17:28.509
BOWERS, PRINCIPLED, DIGNIFIED.

01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.937
HIS OATH MEANT MORE THAN

01:17:30.948 --> 01:17:32.410
PLEASING THE PERSON IN POWER.

01:17:32.444 --> 01:17:33.668
HE SUPPORTS DONALD TRUMP.

01:17:33.679 --> 01:17:35.580
HE VOTED FOR HIM.

01:17:35.614 --> 01:17:37.914
MAYBE HE WOULD AGAIN.

01:17:37.925 --> 01:17:39.838
BUT IF YOU’RE AN ARIZONAN,

01:17:39.849 --> 01:17:41.686
WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THIS MAN’S

01:17:41.719 --> 01:17:43.500
DISTRICT OR VOTED FOR HIM OR

01:17:43.511 --> 01:17:45.132
DONATED TO HIM, YOU’RE LUCKY YOU

01:17:45.166 --> 01:17:47.306
HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THAT RUNNING

01:17:47.317 --> 01:17:48.486
THE ARIZONA HOUSE OF

01:17:48.497 --> 01:17:49.207
REPRESENTATIVES.

01:17:49.218 --> 01:17:53.521
AGAIN, HE IS A VERY COMPELLING,

01:17:53.532 --> 01:17:54.356
THOUGHTFUL, DIGNIFIED,

01:17:54.367 --> 01:17:55.524
PRINCIPLED MAN.

01:17:55.535 --> 01:17:57.693
WE DON’T HAVE TO AGREE WITH

01:17:57.704 --> 01:17:59.575
PEOPLE TO ADMIRE THEM AND I

01:17:59.586 --> 01:18:00.562
ADMIRE RUSTY BOWERS.

01:18:00.573 --> 01:18:02.500
>> WE DON’T HAVE AUDIO OF THE

01:18:02.533 --> 01:18:04.077
PHONE CALL HE HAD WITH DONALD

01:18:04.088 --> 01:18:06.172
TRUMP LIKE WE HAD THE AUDIO OF

01:18:06.183 --> 01:18:08.415
THE PHONE CALL, I HOPE YOU GOT

01:18:08.449 --> 01:18:10.481
THAT, HOPE MY AUDIO WAS ON, IF

01:18:10.492 --> 01:18:12.577
IT WASN’T, WE DON’T HAVE AUDIO

01:18:12.588 --> 01:18:14.821
OF PHONE CALL BETWEEN BOWERS AND

01:18:14.855 --> 01:18:17.079
DONALD TRUMP LIKE WE HAVE AUDIO

01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:18.742
OF DONALD TRUMP AND BRAD

01:18:18.744 --> 01:18:20.610
RAFFENSPERGER, BUT JOYCE, THIS

01:18:20.611 --> 01:18:23.398
IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF DIRECT

01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:24.834
CONNECTION BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP

01:18:24.845 --> 01:18:26.229
AND AN OFFICIAL HAVING A

01:18:26.262 --> 01:18:27.844
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS

01:18:27.855 --> 01:18:29.688
POSSIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT

01:18:29.699 --> 01:18:31.257
POSSIBLE AND THE OFFICIAL SAYING

01:18:31.268 --> 01:18:34.483
I HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF

01:18:34.517 --> 01:18:36.564
MY STATE, I HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE

01:18:36.565 --> 01:18:37.305
CONSTITUTION.

01:18:37.306 --> 01:18:39.800
IF YOU HAVE PROOF OF FRAUDULENT

01:18:39.811 --> 01:18:43.416
VOTES, DEAD VOTERS THAT YOU SAY

01:18:43.427 --> 01:18:46.259
YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE PROOF

01:18:46.293 --> 01:18:48.085
THERE WERE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,

01:18:48.096 --> 01:18:49.801
SEND ME NAMES.

01:18:49.835 --> 01:18:52.103
HE WAS NEVER SENT THE NAMES.

01:18:52.114 --> 01:18:53.926
>> ON THE FIRST CALL, TRUMP SAYS

01:18:53.937 --> 01:18:55.431
GET THE MAN WHAT HE NEEDS AND HE

01:18:55.465 --> 01:18:57.179
NEVER GETS IT.

01:18:57.190 --> 01:18:59.273
OF COURSE, IT IS POSSIBLE TRUMP

01:18:59.275 --> 01:19:01.404
COULD SAY I WAS JUST LISTENING

01:19:01.415 --> 01:19:03.364
TO MY LAWYERS, THEY SAID THERE

01:19:03.375 --> 01:19:05.610
WAS A PATH IN ARIZONA FORWARD.

01:19:05.621 --> 01:19:08.096
BUT SPEAKER BOWERS IS CLEAR

01:19:08.130 --> 01:19:08.882
ABOUT SOMETHING.

01:19:08.893 --> 01:19:11.119
HE IS ASKED DID YOU TELL TRUMP

01:19:11.130 --> 01:19:13.520
THERE WAS FRAUD IN ARIZONA.

01:19:13.531 --> 01:19:15.418
AND AS YOU’VE ALREADY SAID,

01:19:15.429 --> 01:19:16.869
KATY, HE SAID THAT WASN’T MY

01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:17.291
CONVERSATION.

01:19:17.302 --> 01:19:19.131
IN OTHER WORDS, TRUMP IS LYING

01:19:19.164 --> 01:19:19.929
ABOUT THIS.

01:19:19.940 --> 01:19:21.818
SO WHY WOULD TRUMP LIE ABOUT

01:19:21.829 --> 01:19:24.746
THAT IF HE REALLY BELIEVED THAT

01:19:24.757 --> 01:19:26.191
WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS

01:19:26.226 --> 01:19:27.685
RIGHTEOUS, IF HE BELIEVED THEY

01:19:27.696 --> 01:19:29.230
WON IN ARIZONA AND THERE WAS

01:19:29.241 --> 01:19:32.349
FRAUD, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED
FOR HIM TO LIE ABOUT WHAT

01:19:32.383 --> 01:19:35.557
FOR HIM TO LIE ABOUT WHAT

01:19:35.568 --> 01:19:40.877
SPEAKER BOWERS SAID TO HIM.

01:19:40.878 --> 01:19:44.512
>> AS CHUCK POINTS OUT, WHO ARE

01:19:44.546 --> 01:19:46.993
YOU GOING TO BELIEVE IN THE HEAD

01:19:47.004 --> 01:19:49.880
TO HEAD MATCHUP.

01:19:49.914 --> 01:19:53.777
IF YOU’RE A JURY IN A COURTROOM,

01:19:53.788 --> 01:19:55.339
YOU’RE GOING TO BELIEVE RUSTY

01:19:55.350 --> 01:19:55.770
BOWERS.

01:19:55.781 --> 01:19:57.364
IT IS DIFFICULT TO DISCOUNT THIS

01:19:57.375 --> 01:19:57.886
MAN’S TESTIMONY.

01:19:57.887 --> 01:19:59.842
>> IS THIS GOING TO GET TO A

01:19:59.877 --> 01:20:01.489
JURY IN THE COURTROOM, IS THE

01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:03.403
DOJ GOING TO ASK ON THIS, THEY

01:20:03.437 --> 01:20:04.128
ASKED FOR THE TRANSCRIPTS,

01:20:04.139 --> 01:20:04.712
BUT --

01:20:04.713 --> 01:20:06.459
>> I DON’T THINK I WOULD GO

01:20:06.460 --> 01:20:08.635
DIRECTLY TO DONALD TRUMP, BUT

01:20:08.646 --> 01:20:10.202
DOJ SHOULD TAKE INTERMEDIARY

01:20:10.213 --> 01:20:12.093
STEPS AND WORK UP THE CHAIN.

01:20:12.104 --> 01:20:13.503
THAT’S THE PRACTICE IN THESE

01:20:13.504 --> 01:20:14.503
KINDS OF CASES.

01:20:14.514 --> 01:20:17.384
>> AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE NEXT

01:20:17.419 --> 01:20:19.241
PART OF THE HEARING TODAY, THIS

01:20:19.252 --> 01:20:20.402
WAS A QUICK BREAK.

01:20:20.436 --> 01:20:22.669
SEEN TEN MINUTE BREAKS, THIS IS

01:20:22.670 --> 01:20:24.713
ONLY FIVE OR SO, PRESUMABLY

01:20:24.714 --> 01:20:26.675
THEY’LL BE WALKING BACK SHORTLY.

01:20:26.686 --> 01:20:27.884
WE’LL HEAR FROM FOLKS IN

01:20:27.919 --> 01:20:28.553
GEORGIA.

01:20:28.554 --> 01:20:29.691
BRAD RAFFENSPERGER GAVE

01:20:29.693 --> 01:20:31.693
STERLING, THE SECRETARY OF STATE

01:20:31.704 --> 01:20:35.205
AND HIS DEPUTY, AND SHAY MOSS

01:20:35.216 --> 01:20:37.549
WHO WAS ELECTIONS WORKER IN

01:20:37.582 --> 01:20:39.316
GEORGIA INVOLVED IN, SHOULDN’T

01:20:39.317 --> 01:20:42.425
SAY INVOLVED, AT THE CENTER OF

01:20:42.426 --> 01:20:44.773
WHAT SOME DESCRIBED AS A

01:20:44.784 --> 01:20:45.695
CONSPIRACY THEORY.

01:20:45.706 --> 01:20:47.397
ELECTION WORKER THAT DIDN’T DO

01:20:47.408 --> 01:20:48.752
ANYTHING WRONG BUT FOUND HERSELF

01:20:48.753 --> 01:20:50.482
SUBJECT OF THREATS FROM THOSE ON

01:20:50.493 --> 01:20:53.804
THE FAR RIGHT THAT BELIEVES THE

01:20:53.815 --> 01:20:55.346
THEORY ABOUT A SUITCASE OF

01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:55.724
BALLOTS.

01:20:55.726 --> 01:20:57.365
FRANK, WE LOOK AT ONE OF THE

01:20:57.366 --> 01:21:00.226
NEXT THREADS, ONE WILL HAVE TO

01:21:00.237 --> 01:21:01.860
DO WITH CHIEF OF STAFF MARK

01:21:01.871 --> 01:21:02.354
MEADOWS.

01:21:02.389 --> 01:21:06.316
WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY CLOSE TO

01:21:06.327 --> 01:21:07.953
MEADOWS, CASSIE HUTCHINSON.

01:21:07.954 --> 01:21:09.763
FIRST TIME WOOEFE HAVE SEEN ON

01:21:09.797 --> 01:21:10.620
CAMERA.

01:21:10.631 --> 01:21:14.391
SHE HAS SPOKEN EXTENSIVELY TO

01:21:14.425 --> 01:21:15.670
THE SELECT COMMITTEE.

01:21:15.681 --> 01:21:18.446
AND IT IS LIKELY WE WILL SEE NEW

01:21:18.457 --> 01:21:20.527
EVIDENCE RELATING TO MEADOWS AND

01:21:20.538 --> 01:21:23.942
THE PLOT IN GEORGIA IF YOU WILL,

01:21:23.976 --> 01:21:24.604
HIS INVOLVEMENT.

01:21:24.605 --> 01:21:25.551
FRANK?

01:21:25.552 --> 01:21:29.950
>> I CAN’T HELP BUT NOTICE THIS

01:21:29.961 --> 01:21:32.443
IS LOOKING INCREASINGLY LIKE A

01:21:32.478 --> 01:21:35.571
KIND OF CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE,

01:21:35.582 --> 01:21:39.518
TRUMP AT THE HEAD OF AN

01:21:39.529 --> 01:21:40.985
ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY, MEADOWS,

01:21:40.996 --> 01:21:42.865
PEOPLE LIKE GIULIANI AND CERTAIN

01:21:42.876 --> 01:21:44.947
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WE MENTIONED

01:21:44.981 --> 01:21:46.563
CARRYING OUT THE ACTS, GETTING

01:21:46.574 --> 01:21:48.083
THEIR HANDS DIRTY.

01:21:48.094 --> 01:21:51.073
AS WE SEE MORE AND MORE OF THAT,

01:21:51.106 --> 01:21:52.768
IT WILL INCREASINGLY LOOK LIKE A

01:21:52.779 --> 01:21:53.907
CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

01:21:53.918 --> 01:21:55.872
TO THAT EFFECT, IT HELPS US

01:21:55.906 --> 01:21:56.866
PROJECT WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY

01:21:56.877 --> 01:21:58.270
MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

01:21:58.303 --> 01:22:00.249
BECAUSE TO MAKE THE MOB ANALOGY,

01:22:00.250 --> 01:22:02.002
PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS AS

01:22:02.013 --> 01:22:04.902
JOYCE ALLUDED TO IN SUCH CASES
WILL TRY TO MAKE THE CASE FIRST

01:22:04.903 --> 01:22:07.269
WILL TRY TO MAKE THE CASE FIRST

01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:12.034
ON THE HENCHMEN, RELY ON THEM

01:22:12.068 --> 01:22:15.796
FLIPPING OR FURTHER EVIDENCE TO

01:22:15.807 --> 01:22:18.175
DEVELOP TO GET TO THE COPO

01:22:18.186 --> 01:22:18.718
HIMSELF.

01:22:18.752 --> 01:22:20.954
IF YOU SEE THAT APPROACH TAKEN,

01:22:20.965 --> 01:22:22.337
DON’T RULE OUT THE POSSIBILITY

01:22:22.372 --> 01:22:23.905
THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE

01:22:23.906 --> 01:22:25.643
CHARGED FOR THEIR ROLE IN THIS,

01:22:25.654 --> 01:22:26.841
CERTAINLY A FIRST.

01:22:26.874 --> 01:22:29.388
AND THEN LATER IF EVER YOU GET

01:22:29.389 --> 01:22:30.284
TO THE COPO.

01:22:30.285 --> 01:22:32.027
>> AND WE HAVE LESS THAN A

01:22:32.038 --> 01:22:33.217
MINUTE BEFORE THEY MAY BE

01:22:33.228 --> 01:22:34.094
GAVELING DOWN.

01:22:34.105 --> 01:22:37.904
MICHAEL STEELE, WHEN WE TALK

01:22:37.938 --> 01:22:40.004
ABOUT THIS METAPHOR, THE ANALOGY

01:22:40.006 --> 01:22:41.683
OF COMPARING THE PRESIDENT OF

01:22:41.694 --> 01:22:44.316
THE UNITED STATES TO SOME SORT

01:22:44.351 --> 01:22:45.603
OF CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, THIS IS

01:22:45.614 --> 01:22:48.239
REALLY STRIKING TO THE AMERICAN

01:22:48.250 --> 01:22:48.669
PEOPLE.

01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.037
>> I GUESS IN SOME RESPECTS IT

01:22:51.071 --> 01:22:53.124
IS, BUT I THINK PEOPLE BAKED IN

01:22:53.135 --> 01:22:54.436
THE KIND OF MAN THAT DONALD

01:22:54.470 --> 01:22:55.223
TRUMP IS.

01:22:55.224 --> 01:22:57.378
IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT HE

01:22:57.379 --> 01:22:59.128
OPERATES IN THIS SPACE AND I

01:22:59.129 --> 01:23:01.932
THINK REALLY TO FRANK’S POINT,

01:23:01.933 --> 01:23:05.551
WHAT FIRMS IT UP FOR ME WAS

01:23:05.562 --> 01:23:07.179
BOWER’S COMMENT IN THAT

01:23:07.190 --> 01:23:08.418
CONVERSATION WITH GIULIANI,

01:23:08.429 --> 01:23:10.706
WE’VE GOT LOTS OF THEORIES, WE

01:23:10.717 --> 01:23:12.738
JUST DON’T HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

01:23:12.749 --> 01:23:14.769
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW ALL OF THIS

01:23:14.780 --> 01:23:17.155
WAS BEING BAKED TOGETHER, HOW AT

01:23:17.189 --> 01:23:18.562
THE CENTER OF IT WAS DONALD

01:23:18.563 --> 01:23:18.993
TRUMP.

01:23:19.004 --> 01:23:21.957
>> AND AS YOU CAN SEE, BENNY

01:23:21.968 --> 01:23:23.744
THOMPSON, THE CHAIRMAN, MICHAEL

01:23:23.755 --> 01:23:26.520
AND ALL OF US, THE CHAIRMAN IS

01:23:26.531 --> 01:23:28.336
ENTERING THE ROOM, HE IS GOING

01:23:28.369 --> 01:23:29.460
TO GAVEL DOWN.

01:23:29.471 --> 01:23:31.425
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IS

01:23:31.426 --> 01:23:32.454
NEXT FROM SECRETARY OF STATE

01:23:32.489 --> 01:23:32.832
RAFFENSPERGER.

01:23:32.843 --> 01:23:35.981
WE HEARD SO MUCH FROM HIM AS WE

01:23:36.015 --> 01:23:38.415
HAVE BEEN MENTIONING, HE HAS

01:23:38.426 --> 01:23:40.003
WRITTEN A BOOK, TALKED PUBLICLY,

01:23:40.014 --> 01:23:41.109
BEEN ON TELEVISION WITH ALL OF

01:23:41.142 --> 01:23:41.721
US.

01:23:41.732 --> 01:23:45.020
FACT IS, HE IS NOW TESTIFYING

01:23:45.031 --> 01:23:48.110
UNDER OATH ABOUT WHAT DONALD

01:23:48.121 --> 01:23:51.358
TRUMP TOLD HIM, AND THE AUDIO

01:23:51.393 --> 01:23:54.712
TAPE, THAT INFAMOUS TAPE OF HIM

01:23:54.713 --> 01:23:57.090
ASKING FOR 11, 780 VOTES TO TURN

01:23:57.101 --> 01:23:58.384
THE ELECTION IN GEORGIA.
HERE COMES THE GAVEL AND

01:23:58.418 --> 01:24:01.556
HERE COMES THE GAVEL AND

01:24:01.567 --> 01:24:04.706
CHAIRMAN THOMPSON.

01:24:04.717 --> 01:24:10.082
>>> THE COMMITTEE WILL BE IN

01:24:10.083 --> 01:24:10.821
ORDER.

01:24:10.822 --> 01:24:12.838
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PRESSURE

01:24:12.849 --> 01:24:15.097
CAMPAIGN AGAINST STATE OFFICIALS

01:24:15.130 --> 01:24:17.155
EXISTED IN ALL KEY BATTLEGROUND

01:24:17.156 --> 01:24:19.683
STATES THAT HE LOST, BUT THE

01:24:19.694 --> 01:24:21.861
FORMER PRESIDENT HAD A

01:24:21.862 --> 01:24:22.834
PARTICULAR OBSESSION WITH

01:24:22.845 --> 01:24:23.536
GEORGIA.

01:24:23.570 --> 01:24:27.247
HERE IS THE PRESIDENT ON THE

01:24:27.249 --> 01:24:29.261
AFTERNOON OF JANUARY 6th AFTER

01:24:29.272 --> 01:24:31.191
HIS OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL WARNED

01:24:31.202 --> 01:24:35.330
HIM THAT CLAIMS YOU ARE ABOUT TO

01:24:35.341 --> 01:24:37.135
HEAR ARE PATENTLY FALSE.

01:24:37.169 --> 01:24:39.413
>> SHOULD FIND THOSE VOTES.

01:24:39.424 --> 01:24:40.453
THEY SHOULD ABSOLUTELY FIND

01:24:40.464 --> 01:24:41.110
THEM.

01:24:41.144 --> 01:24:43.312
JUST OVER 11,000 VOTES, THAT’S

01:24:43.313 --> 01:24:44.628
ALL WE NEED.

01:24:44.630 --> 01:24:46.768
THEY DEFRAUDED US OUT OF A WIN

01:24:46.779 --> 01:24:50.959
IN GEORGIA AND WE’RE NOT GOING

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:52.386
TO FORGET IT.

01:24:52.397 --> 01:24:54.868
>> SO THE STATE OF GEORGIA IS

01:24:54.879 --> 01:24:56.266
WHERE WE WILL TURN OUR ATTENTION

01:24:56.277 --> 01:24:57.655
TO NEXT.

01:24:57.689 --> 01:25:00.792
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE OUR

01:25:00.803 --> 01:25:02.508
INVESTIGATION INTO THESE ISSUES

01:25:02.543 --> 01:25:03.905
IS STILL ONGOING.

01:25:03.916 --> 01:25:07.530
AS I STATED IN OUR LAST HEARING,

01:25:07.531 --> 01:25:09.569
IF YOU HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION

01:25:09.571 --> 01:25:12.273
OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE TO SHARE

01:25:12.275 --> 01:25:14.238
WITH THE SELECT COMMITTEE, WE

01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:15.393
WELCOME YOUR COOPERATION.

01:25:15.404 --> 01:25:21.754
BUT WE WILL SHARE SOME OF OUR

01:25:21.789 --> 01:25:23.714
FINDINGS WITH YOU TODAY.

01:25:23.715 --> 01:25:24.638
SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER, THANK

01:25:24.649 --> 01:25:25.890
YOU FOR BEING HERE.

01:25:25.901 --> 01:25:27.755
YOU HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC SERVANT

01:25:27.766 --> 01:25:29.992
IN GEORGIA SINCE 2015, SERVING

01:25:30.003 --> 01:25:32.235
FIRST AS MEMBER OF THE GEORGIA

01:25:32.269 --> 01:25:35.210
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND

01:25:35.211 --> 01:25:37.205
THEN SINCE JANUARY, 2019 AS

01:25:37.216 --> 01:25:39.485
GEORGIA’S SECRETARY OF STATE.

01:25:39.496 --> 01:25:41.398
AS A SELF DESCRIBED CONSERVATIVE

01:25:41.409 --> 01:25:43.951
REPUBLICAN, IS IT FAIR TO SAY

01:25:43.962 --> 01:25:45.638
THAT YOU WANTED PRESIDENT TRUMP

01:25:45.649 --> 01:25:48.968
TO WIN THE 2020 ELECTION?

01:25:49.002 --> 01:25:51.523
>> YES, IT IS.

01:25:51.534 --> 01:25:53.934
>> SECRETARY, MANY WITNESSES

01:25:53.968 --> 01:25:56.114
TOLD THE SELECT COMMITTEE THAT

01:25:56.125 --> 01:25:58.645
ELECTION DAY NOVEMBER 3rd 2020

01:25:58.656 --> 01:26:00.616
WAS A LARGELY UNEVENTFUL DAY IN

01:26:00.651 --> 01:26:02.370
THEIR OWN STATES.

01:26:02.381 --> 01:26:05.180
IN SPITE OF THE CHALLENGES OF

01:26:05.213 --> 01:26:07.871
CONDUCTING AN ELECTION DURING A

01:26:07.882 --> 01:26:09.358
PANDEMIC, YOU WROTE IN "THE

01:26:09.393 --> 01:26:11.850
WASHINGTON POST" THAT ELECTION

01:26:11.861 --> 01:26:13.631
WAS, QUOTE, SUCCESSFUL.

01:26:13.642 --> 01:26:18.186
TELL US WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION

01:26:18.197 --> 01:26:20.092
OF HOW ELECTION DAY HAD

01:26:20.126 --> 01:26:21.193
PROCEEDED IN GEORGIA.

01:26:21.194 --> 01:26:23.596
>> ON ELECTION DAY IN NOVEMBER

01:26:23.597 --> 01:26:24.723
OUR ELECTION WENT REMARKABLY

01:26:24.724 --> 01:26:26.601
SMOOTH.

01:26:26.602 --> 01:26:33.954
IN FACT, WE MEET AT THE GEMA

01:26:33.965 --> 01:26:35.692
HEADQUARTERS, GEORGIA EMERGENCY

01:26:35.726 --> 01:26:37.265
MANAGEMENT, BUT IN THE

01:26:37.276 --> 01:26:39.335
AFTERNOON, AVERAGE WAIT TIME WAS

01:26:39.368 --> 01:26:40.724
THREE MINUTES.

01:26:40.726 --> 01:26:42.247
STATEWIDE, RECORDING FOR VARIOUS

01:26:42.258 --> 01:26:42.680
PRECINCTS.

01:26:42.714 --> 01:26:44.466
IT GOT DOWN TO TWO MINUTES.

01:26:44.477 --> 01:26:46.389
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE

01:26:46.423 --> 01:26:47.879
FELT WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL

01:26:47.890 --> 01:26:49.927
ELECTION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF

01:26:49.938 --> 01:26:51.197
ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATION OF

01:26:51.208 --> 01:26:51.894
THE ELECTION.

01:26:51.905 --> 01:26:53.198
>> THANK YOU.

01:26:53.232 --> 01:26:55.426
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE

01:26:55.437 --> 01:26:56.582
GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA,

01:26:56.616 --> 01:26:57.902
MR. SCHIFF.

01:26:57.913 --> 01:27:01.515
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:27:01.526 --> 01:27:03.311
SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER, DID JOE

01:27:03.345 --> 01:27:04.970
BIDEN WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL

01:27:04.981 --> 01:27:06.410
ELECTION IN GEORGIA AND BY WHAT

01:27:06.421 --> 01:27:06.874
MARGIN?

01:27:06.885 --> 01:27:08.845
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN CARRIED THE

01:27:08.856 --> 01:27:11.117
STATE OF GEORGIA BY

01:27:11.128 --> 01:27:12.383
APPROXIMATELY 12,000 VOTES.

01:27:12.394 --> 01:27:14.186
>> MR. SECRETARY, AS I

01:27:14.219 --> 01:27:15.896
UNDERSTAND IT YOUR OFFICE TOOK

01:27:15.907 --> 01:27:19.760
SEVERAL STEPS TO ENSURE ACCURACY

01:27:19.771 --> 01:27:21.869
OF THE VOTE COUNT IN GEORGIA

01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:24.198
REVIEWING THE COUNT IN THREE

01:27:24.232 --> 01:27:26.107
WAYS, INCLUDING MACHINE RECOUNT,

01:27:26.118 --> 01:27:27.695
FORENSIC AUDIT, FULL HAND

01:27:27.706 --> 01:27:29.885
RECOUNT OF EVERY ONE OF 5

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:30.937
MILLION BALLOTS CAST.

01:27:30.948 --> 01:27:32.760
DID THESE EFFORTS INCLUDING

01:27:32.761 --> 01:27:34.232
RECOUNT OF LITERALLY EVERY

01:27:34.233 --> 01:27:35.718
BALLOT CAST IN STATE OF GEORGIA

01:27:35.729 --> 01:27:37.055
CONFIRM THE RESULT?

01:27:37.088 --> 01:27:39.285
>> YES, THEY DID.

01:27:39.296 --> 01:27:41.231
WE COUNTED THE BALLOTS, THEY

01:27:41.242 --> 01:27:44.356
WOULD BE SCANNED, THEN WE DID

01:27:44.390 --> 01:27:46.618
THE 100% HAND AUDIT OF THE

01:27:46.629 --> 01:27:50.435
ENTIRE 5 MILLION BALLOTS IN THE

01:27:50.446 --> 01:27:54.017
STATE OF GEORGIA, CAST IN PLACE,

01:27:54.028 --> 01:27:55.735
ABSENTEE BALLOTS, HAND

01:27:55.746 --> 01:27:57.265
RECOUNTED, CAME REMARKABLY CLOSE

01:27:57.299 --> 01:27:58.991
TO THE FIRST COUNT.

01:27:58.992 --> 01:28:00.939
THEN BECAUSE HE WAS WITHIN A

01:28:00.950 --> 01:28:02.842
HALF PERCENT COULD ASK FOR A

01:28:02.876 --> 01:28:04.835
RECOUNT, THEN WE RECOUNTED AGAIN

01:28:04.846 --> 01:28:06.073
THROUGH SCANNERS, GOT REMARKABLY

01:28:06.107 --> 01:28:07.584
THE SAME COUNT.

01:28:07.585 --> 01:28:08.991
THREE COUNTS, ALL REMARKABLY

01:28:08.992 --> 01:28:10.684
CLOSE, SHOWS PRESIDENT TRUMP DID

01:28:10.695 --> 01:28:12.124
COME UP SHORT.

01:28:12.135 --> 01:28:14.931
>> NEVERTHELESS AS YOU WILL SEE,

01:28:14.942 --> 01:28:17.011
THE PRESIDENT AND ALLIES BEGAN

01:28:17.022 --> 01:28:18.897
MAKING NUMEROUS FALSE

01:28:18.931 --> 01:28:20.562
ALLEGATIONS OF VOTER FRAUD,

01:28:20.563 --> 01:28:22.409
FALSE ALLEGATIONS THAT YOU AND

01:28:22.410 --> 01:28:23.730
MR. STERLING AMONG OTHERS HAD TO

01:28:23.741 --> 01:28:24.177
ADDRESS.

01:28:24.211 --> 01:28:27.330
MR. STERLING, THANK YOU ALSO FOR

01:28:27.341 --> 01:28:28.185
BEING HERE TODAY.

01:28:28.186 --> 01:28:29.878
FOLLOWING THE 2020 ELECTION IN

01:28:29.879 --> 01:28:32.101
ADDITION TO YOUR NORMAL DUTIES,

01:28:32.112 --> 01:28:33.910
I UNDERSTAND YOU BECAME A

01:28:33.921 --> 01:28:34.704
SPOKESPERSON TO COMBAT

01:28:34.738 --> 01:28:36.058
DISINFORMATION ABOUT THE

01:28:36.069 --> 01:28:38.282
ELECTION AND THE DANGER IT WAS

01:28:38.293 --> 01:28:40.345
CREATING FOR ELECTIONS OFFICIALS

01:28:40.356 --> 01:28:42.582
AMONG OTHERS IN A DECEMBER 1

01:28:42.593 --> 01:28:44.013
PRESS CONFERENCE, YOU ADDRESSED

01:28:44.024 --> 01:28:45.040
SOME REMARKS DIRECTLY TO

01:28:45.051 --> 01:28:45.946
PRESIDENT TRUMP.

01:28:45.957 --> 01:28:51.731
LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU

01:28:51.742 --> 01:28:53.162
SAID THAT DAY.

01:28:53.196 --> 01:28:55.645
>> MR. PRESIDENT, IT LOOKS LIKE

01:28:55.656 --> 01:28:57.068
YOU LIKELY LOST THE STATE OF

01:28:57.101 --> 01:28:57.552
GEORGIA.

01:28:57.563 --> 01:28:58.977
WE ARE INVESTIGATING, THERE’S

01:28:58.988 --> 01:29:00.631
ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, I GET IT,

01:29:00.664 --> 01:29:01.992
AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO

01:29:02.003 --> 01:29:03.814
THROUGH THE COURTS.

01:29:03.849 --> 01:29:06.981
WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE THE ABILITY

01:29:06.992 --> 01:29:09.221
TO DO, STOP INSPIRING PEOPLE FOR

01:29:09.222 --> 01:29:10.847
POTENTIAL ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

01:29:10.848 --> 01:29:13.239
SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT,

01:29:13.240 --> 01:29:14.917
SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET SHOT,

01:29:14.928 --> 01:29:16.548
SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET KILLED

01:29:16.559 --> 01:29:19.227
AND IT IS NOT RIGHT.

01:29:19.238 --> 01:29:20.728
IT IS NOT RIGHT.

01:29:20.739 --> 01:29:23.188
>> MR. STERLING, WHAT PROMPTED

01:29:23.222 --> 01:29:25.374
YOU TO MAKE THESE REMARKS?

01:29:25.385 --> 01:29:26.946
>> MR. SCHIFF, WE HAD A

01:29:26.957 --> 01:29:27.726
PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED PRESS

01:29:27.737 --> 01:29:29.652
CONFERENCE THAT DAY AS WE WERE

01:29:29.663 --> 01:29:31.523
IN THE HABIT OF DOING, TRYING TO

01:29:31.557 --> 01:29:33.004
BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE COULD

01:29:33.015 --> 01:29:34.188
ABOUT THE ELECTION AND COUNTS

01:29:34.222 --> 01:29:35.529
GOING ON.

01:29:35.531 --> 01:29:38.022
A LITTLE AFTER LUNCH THAT DAY,

01:29:38.023 --> 01:29:40.328
LUNCHTIME, I RECEIVED A CALL

01:29:40.339 --> 01:29:42.924
FROM THE PROJECT MANAGER FROM

01:29:42.935 --> 01:29:44.902
DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS WHO WAS

01:29:44.913 --> 01:29:46.448
ODDLY AUDIBLY SHAKEN, NOT THE

01:29:46.482 --> 01:29:48.807
KIND OF PERSON I WOULD ASSUME

01:29:48.809 --> 01:29:51.456
WOULD BE THAT WAY, MASTERS OF

01:29:51.467 --> 01:29:53.441
MIT, GRADUATE OF THE NAVAL

01:29:53.452 --> 01:29:55.250
ACADEMY, ON THE BALL, PRETTY

01:29:55.251 --> 01:29:56.208
MUCH UNFLAPPABLE.

01:29:56.243 --> 01:29:58.221
SHE INFORMED ME OF A YOUNG

01:29:58.222 --> 01:30:01.085
CONTRACTOR THEY HAD RECEIVING

01:30:01.096 --> 01:30:04.385
THREATS FROM A VIDEO POSTED BY

01:30:04.396 --> 01:30:05.458
SOME QANON SUPPORTERS.

01:30:05.459 --> 01:30:07.099
AT THAT POINT WE WERE STEEPING

01:30:07.133 --> 01:30:08.772
IN THIS STUFF, IT WAS AROUND US

01:30:08.773 --> 01:30:09.725
ALL THE TIME.

01:30:09.736 --> 01:30:11.787
I DIDN’T TAKE NOTE OF IT MORE

01:30:11.798 --> 01:30:14.785
THAN ADDING TO THE PILE OF OTHER

01:30:14.818 --> 01:30:16.276
STUFF WE WERE HAVING TO DEAL

01:30:16.277 --> 01:30:17.109
WITH.

01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:20.326
AND I DID PULL UP TWITTER AND

01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:22.524
SCROLLED THROUGH IT, SAW THE

01:30:22.535 --> 01:30:24.703
YOUNG MAN’S NAME, PARTICULAR

01:30:24.714 --> 01:30:26.626
TWEET, STRAW THAT BROKE THE

01:30:26.660 --> 01:30:27.882
CAMEL’S BACK.

01:30:27.883 --> 01:30:31.300
YOUNG MAN’S NAME, VERY UNIQUE

01:30:31.311 --> 01:30:33.775
NAME, FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN,

01:30:33.786 --> 01:30:36.586
AND SO IT HAD HIS NAME, YOU

01:30:36.620 --> 01:30:38.846
COMMITTED TREASON, MAY GOD HAVE

01:30:38.857 --> 01:30:41.598
MERCY ON YOUR SOUL WITH A SLOWLY

01:30:41.609 --> 01:30:43.267
TWISTING GIF OF A NOOSE.

01:30:43.300 --> 01:30:45.414
FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, I

01:30:45.425 --> 01:30:46.183
LOST IT.

01:30:46.194 --> 01:30:47.852
I JUST GOT IRATE.

01:30:47.863 --> 01:30:50.268
MY BOSS WAS WITH ME AT THE TIME,

01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:51.929
THE DEPUTY SECRETARY, AND SHE

01:30:51.940 --> 01:30:53.539
COULD TELL I WAS ANGRY.

01:30:53.550 --> 01:30:56.961
I TEND TO TURN RED FROM HERE UP

01:30:56.972 --> 01:30:58.118
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHAT HAPPENED

01:30:58.129 --> 01:30:58.727
AT THAT TIME.

01:30:58.738 --> 01:30:59.494
SHE CALLED SECRETARY

01:30:59.505 --> 01:31:00.894
RAFFENSPERGER TO SAY WE ARE

01:31:00.905 --> 01:31:02.278
SEEING THESE KIND OF THREATS AND

01:31:02.289 --> 01:31:03.685
GABE THINKS WE NEED TO SAY

01:31:03.696 --> 01:31:04.757
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

01:31:04.768 --> 01:31:06.653
THE SECRETARY SAID YES.

01:31:06.664 --> 01:31:08.444
AND THAT’S WHAT PROMPTED ME TO

01:31:08.455 --> 01:31:10.644
DO WHAT I DID.

01:31:10.655 --> 01:31:13.008
I LOST MY TEMPER.

01:31:13.019 --> 01:31:15.134
BUT IT SEEMED NECESSARY AT THE

01:31:15.135 --> 01:31:16.479
TIME BECAUSE IT WAS JUST GETTING

01:31:16.481 --> 01:31:16.836
WORSE.

01:31:16.847 --> 01:31:18.677
I COULD NOT TELL YOU WHY THAT

01:31:18.711 --> 01:31:20.064
PARTICULAR ONE PUT ME OVER THE

01:31:20.075 --> 01:31:21.243
EDGE BUT IT DID.

01:31:21.276 --> 01:31:23.199
>> AFTER YOU MADE THIS PLEA TO

01:31:23.210 --> 01:31:24.799
THE PRESIDENT, DID DONALD TRUMP

01:31:24.810 --> 01:31:26.193
URGE HIS SUPPORTERS TO AVOID USE

01:31:26.204 --> 01:31:27.256
OF VIOLENCE?

01:31:27.289 --> 01:31:29.249
>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

01:31:29.260 --> 01:31:31.207
>> AS WE KNOW, THE PRESIDENT WAS

01:31:31.240 --> 01:31:33.099
AWARE OF YOUR SPEECH BECAUSE HE

01:31:33.110 --> 01:31:37.424
TWEETED ABOUT IT LATER THAT DAY.

01:31:37.458 --> 01:31:39.994
LET’S LOOK AT WHAT THE PRESIDENT

01:31:40.005 --> 01:31:40.522
SAID.

01:31:40.533 --> 01:31:43.347
IN THE TWEET, DONALD TRUMP

01:31:43.381 --> 01:31:45.066
CLAIMS THERE WAS, QUOTE, MASSIVE

01:31:45.077 --> 01:31:46.480
VOTER FRAUD IN GEORGIA.

01:31:46.513 --> 01:31:48.712
MR. STERLING, THAT WAS JUST

01:31:48.713 --> 01:31:50.298
PLAIN FALSE, WASN’T IT?

01:31:50.299 --> 01:31:51.824
>> YES, SIR.

01:31:51.825 --> 01:31:53.747
>> NEVERTHELESS, THE VERY NEXT

01:31:53.758 --> 01:31:55.034
DAY DECEMBER 2nd, PRESIDENT

01:31:55.035 --> 01:31:57.291
TRUMP RELEASED A LENGTHY VIDEO

01:31:57.302 --> 01:31:59.006
AGAIN MAKING FALSE CLAIMS OF

01:31:59.017 --> 01:32:00.849
ELECTION FRAUD IN GEORGIA.

01:32:00.860 --> 01:32:02.603
LET’S LOOK AT WHAT HE SAID THIS

01:32:02.614 --> 01:32:03.354
TIME.

01:32:03.365 --> 01:32:06.092
>> THEY FOUND THOUSANDS AND

01:32:06.103 --> 01:32:08.167
THOUSANDS OF VOTES THAT WERE OUT

01:32:08.201 --> 01:32:09.931
OF WHACK.

01:32:09.942 --> 01:32:11.674
ALL AGAINST ME.

01:32:11.685 --> 01:32:14.917
>> IN FACT, THE DAY AFTER DONALD

01:32:14.928 --> 01:32:16.669
TRUMP RELEASED THAT VIDEO, NOW

01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:18.120
TALKING TWO DAYS AFTER THE

01:32:18.131 --> 01:32:19.876
EMOTIONAL WARNING THAT YOU GAVE

01:32:19.910 --> 01:32:21.725
THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET

01:32:21.736 --> 01:32:24.492
KILLED, REPRESENTATIVES OF

01:32:24.526 --> 01:32:27.001
PRESIDENT TRUMP APPEARED IN

01:32:27.003 --> 01:32:28.450
GEORGIA, INCLUDING RUDY

01:32:28.461 --> 01:32:30.500
GIULIANI, AND LAUNCHED A

01:32:30.511 --> 01:32:32.040
CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT WOULD

01:32:32.041 --> 01:32:34.517
TAKE ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN AND

01:32:34.528 --> 01:32:36.760
THREATEN THE LIVES OF SEVERAL

01:32:36.794 --> 01:32:37.774
ELECTION WORKERS.

01:32:37.785 --> 01:32:39.361
SOMETIME DURING ELECTION NIGHT,

01:32:39.362 --> 01:32:41.976
WORKERS AT THE STATE FARM ARENA

01:32:41.987 --> 01:32:43.665
IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA KICKED OUT

01:32:43.676 --> 01:32:44.812
POLL OBSERVERS.

01:32:44.846 --> 01:32:47.506
AFTER THEY LEFT, THE STORY GOES,

01:32:47.517 --> 01:32:48.627
WORKERS PULLED SO-CALLED

01:32:48.628 --> 01:32:50.760
SUITCASES OF BALLOTS FROM UNDER

01:32:50.771 --> 01:32:54.217
A TABLE AND RAN BALLOTS THROUGH

01:32:54.228 --> 01:32:55.501
COUNTING MACHINES MULTIPLE

01:32:55.512 --> 01:32:55.931
TIMES.

01:32:55.964 --> 01:32:57.352
COMPLETELY WITHOUT EVIDENCE

01:32:57.363 --> 01:32:59.487
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND ALLIES

01:32:59.498 --> 01:33:01.946
CLAIMED SUITCASES CONTAINED AS

01:33:01.957 --> 01:33:03.899
MANY AS 18,000 BALLOTS ALL FOR

01:33:03.910 --> 01:33:05.033
JOE BIDEN.

01:33:05.066 --> 01:33:07.345
NONE OF THIS WAS TRUE.

01:33:07.356 --> 01:33:09.367
BUT RUDY GIULIANI APPEARED

01:33:09.378 --> 01:33:11.121
BEFORE GEORGIA STATE SENATE AND

01:33:11.132 --> 01:33:12.806
PLAYED A SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM

01:33:12.841 --> 01:33:14.167
STATE FARM ARENA FALSELY

01:33:14.178 --> 01:33:15.852
CLAIMING IT SHOWED THIS

01:33:15.886 --> 01:33:17.091
CONSPIRACY TAKING PLACE.

01:33:17.102 --> 01:33:19.769
HERE’S A SAMPLE OF WHAT

01:33:19.780 --> 01:33:21.546
MR. GIULIANI HAD TO SAY DURING

01:33:21.557 --> 01:33:22.199
THE HEARING.

01:33:22.234 --> 01:33:24.838
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU SAW

01:33:24.849 --> 01:33:28.590
ON THE VIDEO, WHICH TO ME WAS A

01:33:28.592 --> 01:33:30.193
SMOKING GUN, POWERFUL SMOKING

01:33:30.227 --> 01:33:33.089
GUN, WELL, I DON’T HAVE TO BE A

01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:34.239
GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT

01:33:34.250 --> 01:33:34.593
HAPPENED.

01:33:34.627 --> 01:33:36.682
I DON’T HAVE TO BE A GENIUS TO

01:33:36.693 --> 01:33:38.529
FIGURE OUT THOSE VOTES ARE NOT

01:33:38.530 --> 01:33:39.229
LEGITIMATE VOTES.

01:33:39.263 --> 01:33:41.552
YOU DON’T PUT LEGITIMATE VOTES

01:33:41.553 --> 01:33:42.863
UNDER A TABLE.

01:33:42.874 --> 01:33:44.395
WAIT UNTIL YOU THROW THE

01:33:44.430 --> 01:33:46.783
OPPOSITION OUT AND IN THE MIDDLE

01:33:46.794 --> 01:33:48.845
OF THE NIGHT COUNT THEM.

01:33:48.878 --> 01:33:50.913
WE WOULD HAVE TO BE FOOLS TO

01:33:50.924 --> 01:33:52.293
THINK THAT.

01:33:52.304 --> 01:33:53.928
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN

01:33:53.939 --> 01:33:55.180
AMPLIFIED GIULIANI’S FALSE

01:33:55.213 --> 01:33:58.144
TESTIMONY IN A TWEET PUSHING OUT

01:33:58.155 --> 01:33:59.975
THE VIDEO FOOTAGE.

01:34:00.009 --> 01:34:01.830
GIULIANI LIKEWISE PUSHED OUT HIS

01:34:01.831 --> 01:34:03.500
TESTIMONY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

01:34:03.502 --> 01:34:06.802
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS TWEET,

01:34:06.813 --> 01:34:09.218
MR. GIULIANI WROTE IT WAS NOW

01:34:09.229 --> 01:34:10.804
BEYOND DOUBT THAT FULTON COUNTY

01:34:10.805 --> 01:34:11.681
DEMOCRATS HAD STOLEN THE

01:34:11.692 --> 01:34:12.152
ELECTION.

01:34:12.186 --> 01:34:14.355
LATER IN THIS HEARING, WE’LL

01:34:14.366 --> 01:34:17.147
HEAR DIRECTLY FROM ONE OF THE

01:34:17.149 --> 01:34:18.540
ELECTION WORKERS ABOUT THE

01:34:18.551 --> 01:34:20.402
EFFECT THE LIES HAD ON HER AND

01:34:20.413 --> 01:34:21.286
HER FAMILY.

01:34:21.297 --> 01:34:22.609
MR. STERLING, DID THE

01:34:22.620 --> 01:34:24.675
INVESTIGATORS IN YOUR OFFICE

01:34:24.686 --> 01:34:26.511
REVIEW THE ENTIRE SURVEILLANCE

01:34:26.544 --> 01:34:28.180
TAPE FROM STATE FARM ARENA

01:34:28.191 --> 01:34:29.513
ELECTION NIGHT?

01:34:29.524 --> 01:34:31.711
>> THEY ACTUALLY REVIEWED ABOUT

01:34:31.745 --> 01:34:33.626
48 HOURS GOING OVER THE TIME

01:34:33.637 --> 01:34:35.255
PERIOD WHERE ACTION WAS TAKING

01:34:35.290 --> 01:34:37.027
PLACE AT THE COUNTING CENTER AT

01:34:37.028 --> 01:34:38.212
STATE FARM ARENA.

01:34:38.213 --> 01:34:39.604
>> WHAT DID THE TAPE ACTUALLY

01:34:39.615 --> 01:34:39.968
SHOW?

01:34:40.002 --> 01:34:42.447
>> DEPENDING WHICH TIME YOU WANT

01:34:42.449 --> 01:34:44.232
TO START, AS MENTIONED, THIS

01:34:44.233 --> 01:34:46.204
CONSPIRACY THEORY TOOK ON A LIFE

01:34:46.215 --> 01:34:48.476
OF ITS OWN WHERE THEY CONFLATED

01:34:48.477 --> 01:34:50.381
A WATER MAIN BREAK, THERE WASN’T

01:34:50.382 --> 01:34:52.161
A WATER MAIN BREAK, THROWING

01:34:52.172 --> 01:34:53.439
OBSERVERS OUT, A SERIES OF OTHER

01:34:53.473 --> 01:34:54.159
THINGS.

01:34:54.170 --> 01:34:56.607
WHAT IT ACTUALLY SHOWED IS

01:34:56.608 --> 01:35:00.161
FULTON COUNTY ELECTION WORKERS

01:35:00.172 --> 01:35:02.081
ENGAGING IN NORMAL BALLOT

01:35:02.082 --> 01:35:02.556
PROCESSING.

01:35:02.567 --> 01:35:04.984
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS

01:35:05.018 --> 01:35:06.263
FRUSTRATING WAS THE SO-CALLED

01:35:06.274 --> 01:35:08.325
SUITCASES FROM UNDER THE TABLE.

01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:10.578
IF YOU WATCH THE ENTIRETY OF THE

01:35:10.579 --> 01:35:12.393
VIDEO, YOU SAW THAT THESE WERE

01:35:12.404 --> 01:35:13.880
ELECTION WORKERS WHO WERE UNDER

01:35:13.914 --> 01:35:16.362
THE IMPRESSION THEY WOULD GET TO

01:35:16.373 --> 01:35:18.611
GO HOME AT 10:00, 10:30, PUTTING

01:35:18.622 --> 01:35:20.642
ON COATS, PUTTING BALLOTS

01:35:20.677 --> 01:35:23.132
PREPARED TO BE SCANNED INTO

01:35:23.143 --> 01:35:25.134
BALLOT CARRIERS THAT ARE SEALED

01:35:25.145 --> 01:35:28.351
WITH TAMPER PROOF SEALS SO

01:35:28.362 --> 01:35:29.882
THEY’RE NOT MESSED WITH.

01:35:29.893 --> 01:35:31.642
IT IS AN INTERESTING THING.

01:35:31.676 --> 01:35:33.031
YOU WATCH, THERE ARE FOUR

01:35:33.042 --> 01:35:34.684
SCREENS OF VIDEO.

01:35:34.695 --> 01:35:36.965
AS YOU ARE WATCHING IT, YOU CAN

01:35:36.976 --> 01:35:38.547
SEE THE ELECTION MONITORS WITH

01:35:38.581 --> 01:35:41.540
THE PRESS AS THEY TAKE THESE

01:35:41.541 --> 01:35:42.660
BALLOT CARRIERS, PUTTING THEM

01:35:42.671 --> 01:35:43.553
UNDER THE TABLE.

01:35:43.588 --> 01:35:44.715
YOU SEE IT.

01:35:44.716 --> 01:35:47.380
ONE OF THE OTHER HIDDEN ONES, ON

01:35:47.382 --> 01:35:50.197
THE OUTSIDE OFED TABLE FROM

01:35:50.208 --> 01:35:52.111
CAMERA ANGLE YOU COULDN’T SEE IT

01:35:52.112 --> 01:35:52.554
ORIGINALLY.

01:35:52.589 --> 01:35:56.569
IT GOES UNDER NO GOOD DEED GOES

01:35:56.571 --> 01:35:58.916
UNPUNISHED, WE WERE AT GEMA, AS

01:35:58.927 --> 01:36:00.292
THE SECRETARY POINTED OUT,

01:36:00.326 --> 01:36:02.127
LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE SHUTTING

01:36:02.138 --> 01:36:04.114
DOWN FULTON COUNTY.

01:36:04.125 --> 01:36:05.375
SECRETARY EXPRESSED DISPLEASURE.

01:36:05.409 --> 01:36:06.822
WE WANTED EVERYBODY TO KEEP

01:36:06.833 --> 01:36:08.683
COUNTING AND GET TO THE RESULTS

01:36:08.684 --> 01:36:10.473
AND KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

01:36:10.474 --> 01:36:11.751
THE ELECTIONS DIRECTOR CALLED

01:36:11.752 --> 01:36:12.822
THEIR ELECTIONS DIRECTOR AT

01:36:12.823 --> 01:36:14.704
ANOTHER LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS

01:36:14.715 --> 01:36:16.247
ELECTION DAY, THERE WERE TWO

01:36:16.258 --> 01:36:20.264
PLACES WHERE BALLOT THINGS WERE

01:36:20.298 --> 01:36:22.663
DONE BY FULTON COUNTY OFFICE.

01:36:22.674 --> 01:36:25.239
SO HE CALLED RALPH JONES WHO WAS

01:36:25.272 --> 01:36:26.989
AT THE STATE FARM ARENA, SAID

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:28.643
WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING, GO

01:36:28.654 --> 01:36:30.608
AHEAD AND STAY.

01:36:30.619 --> 01:36:33.031
AS YOU WATCH THE VIDEO, YOU SEE

01:36:33.042 --> 01:36:35.059
HIM TAKE THE PHONE CALL, AS

01:36:35.070 --> 01:36:36.759
PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THINGS AWAY,

01:36:36.770 --> 01:36:38.016
GETTING READY TO LEAVE.

01:36:38.050 --> 01:36:39.746
FOR 15, 20 SECONDS, HE DOESN’T

01:36:39.757 --> 01:36:40.926
WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO

01:36:40.937 --> 01:36:41.397
STAY.

01:36:41.408 --> 01:36:44.366
HE WALKS OVER, THINKS ABOUT IT,

01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.844
COME BACK TO CORNER OF A DESK,

01:36:46.846 --> 01:36:48.295
OKAY, Y’ALL, WE HAVE TO KEEP

01:36:48.306 --> 01:36:49.637
COUNTING.

01:36:49.638 --> 01:36:54.341
THEY TAKE OFF COATS, GET BALLOTS

01:36:54.342 --> 01:36:55.221
OUT.

01:36:55.222 --> 01:36:56.162
SECOND DEGREE

01:36:56.163 --> 01:36:57.523
SECONDARY THING, PEOPLE COUNTING

01:36:57.524 --> 01:36:59.237
BALLOTS, BATCH GOES THROUGH,

01:36:59.248 --> 01:37:00.738
THEY TAKE THEM OFF, RUN THEM

01:37:00.749 --> 01:37:01.537
AGAIN.

01:37:01.571 --> 01:37:04.208
WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS STANDARD

01:37:04.219 --> 01:37:06.472
OPERATING PROCEDURE, IF THERE’S

01:37:06.506 --> 01:37:08.979
A MISALIGNMENT, THESE ARE HIGH

01:37:08.990 --> 01:37:10.711
SPEED, HIGH CAPACITY SCANNERS.

01:37:10.745 --> 01:37:12.452
THREE OR FOUR GO THROUGH AFTER A

01:37:12.463 --> 01:37:13.025
MISSCAN.

01:37:13.036 --> 01:37:15.137
YOU DELETE THAT BATCH, PUT IT

01:37:15.171 --> 01:37:16.489
THROUGH AGAIN.

01:37:16.500 --> 01:37:19.460
GOING THROUGH HAND TALLY AS THE

01:37:19.493 --> 01:37:21.961
SECRETARY POINTED OUT, WE SHOWED

01:37:21.972 --> 01:37:23.749
MULTIPLE BALLOTS SCANNED WITHOUT

01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:24.661
CORRESPONDING PHYSICAL BALLOT,

01:37:24.672 --> 01:37:26.170
COUNTS WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER

01:37:26.181 --> 01:37:28.375
THAN BALLOTS THEMSELVES.

01:37:28.376 --> 01:37:32.161
BY DOING THE HAND TALLY, WE SAW
TWO SPECIFIC NUMBERS MET.

01:37:32.172 --> 01:37:34.508
TWO SPECIFIC NUMBERS MET.

01:37:34.519 --> 01:37:40.373
HAND TALLY GOT.009% ON THE

01:37:40.384 --> 01:37:43.352
MARGIN, WHICH IS DEAD ON

01:37:43.387 --> 01:37:43.802
ACCURATE.

01:37:43.803 --> 01:37:45.816
HAND TALLY, YOU HAVE BETWEEN 1

01:37:45.817 --> 01:37:46.870
AND 2%.

01:37:46.871 --> 01:37:48.413
BECAUSE WE HAD BALLOT MARKING

01:37:48.424 --> 01:37:50.319
DEVICES IT IS CLEAR WHAT THE

01:37:50.330 --> 01:37:51.952
VOTER INTENDED MAKES IT EASIER

01:37:51.986 --> 01:37:54.523
TO CONDUCT HAND COUNT AND SHOW

01:37:54.534 --> 01:37:57.136
NONE OF THAT WAS TRUE.

01:37:57.137 --> 01:38:00.937
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU

01:38:00.948 --> 01:38:02.620
REVIEW TAPES AND DID THE

01:38:02.631 --> 01:38:03.879
ANALYSIS, IT PROVED THE

01:38:03.890 --> 01:38:04.551
CONSPIRACY THEORY.

01:38:04.562 --> 01:38:06.949
BUT YOU STILL HAD TO TAKE A LOT

01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:09.157
OF STEPS TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC

01:38:09.191 --> 01:38:12.450
KNEW THE TRUTH ABOUT ALLEGATIONS

01:38:12.451 --> 01:38:16.029
AND YOU DID FREQUENT BRIEFINGS

01:38:16.040 --> 01:38:18.872
FOR THE PRESS LOOK AT ONE HELD

01:38:18.906 --> 01:38:21.094
DECEMBER 7th TO MAKE THE POINT

01:38:21.105 --> 01:38:22.241
YOU DID TODAY.

01:38:22.275 --> 01:38:25.283
>> MOVE ON TO WHAT I’M GOING TO

01:38:25.294 --> 01:38:26.724
CALL DISINFORMATION MONDAY.

01:38:26.758 --> 01:38:29.482
OUT OF THE GATE MANY OF Y’ALL

01:38:29.493 --> 01:38:30.882
SAW THE VIDEOTAPE OF STATE FARM

01:38:30.915 --> 01:38:32.596
ARENA.

01:38:32.607 --> 01:38:38.003
I SPENT HOURS WITH INVESTIGATORS

01:38:38.004 --> 01:38:41.032
GOING OVER THE VIDEO TO EXPLAIN

01:38:41.043 --> 01:38:44.412
WHAT YOU SAW, THE SECRET

01:38:44.423 --> 01:38:46.788
SUITCASE OF MAGIC BALLOTS WERE

01:38:46.799 --> 01:38:48.622
BALLOTS PACKED INTO THOSE

01:38:48.633 --> 01:38:50.767
ABSENTEE BALLOT CARRIERS BY

01:38:50.778 --> 01:38:53.600
WORKERS IN PLAIN VIEW OF THE

01:38:53.611 --> 01:38:55.895
MONITORS AND THE PRESS.

01:38:55.930 --> 01:38:57.926
WHAT’S REALLY FRUSTRATING IS THE

01:38:57.927 --> 01:39:00.754
PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEYS HAD THE

01:39:00.755 --> 01:39:01.320
SAME VIDEOTAPE.

01:39:01.331 --> 01:39:02.857
THEY SAW THE EXACT SAME THING

01:39:02.868 --> 01:39:04.831
THE REST OF US COULD SEE AND

01:39:04.865 --> 01:39:06.631
CHOSE TO MISLEAD STATE SENATORS

01:39:06.632 --> 01:39:09.046
AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WAS ON

01:39:09.057 --> 01:39:09.692
THE VIDEO.

01:39:09.725 --> 01:39:11.380
I AM QUITE SURE THEY WILL NOT

01:39:11.381 --> 01:39:13.262
CHARACTERIZE THE VIDEO IF THEY

01:39:13.273 --> 01:39:15.053
TRY TO ENTER IT INTO EVIDENCE,

01:39:15.087 --> 01:39:16.599
THAT’S THE THING THAT COULD LEAD

01:39:16.610 --> 01:39:17.851
TO SANCTIONS BECAUSE IT IS

01:39:17.862 --> 01:39:18.539
OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE.

01:39:18.550 --> 01:39:20.170
THEY KNEW IT WAS UNTRUE AND

01:39:20.171 --> 01:39:22.062
CONTINUE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS.

01:39:22.096 --> 01:39:24.193
>> MR. STERLING, DESPITE EFFORTS

01:39:24.194 --> 01:39:26.353
BY YOUR OFFICE TO COMBAT THIS

01:39:26.364 --> 01:39:27.958
MISINFORMATION BY SPEAKING OUT

01:39:27.959 --> 01:39:29.319
PUBLICLY AND THROUGH LOCAL

01:39:29.330 --> 01:39:32.141
MEDIA, YOU WERE UNABLE TO MATCH

01:39:32.152 --> 01:39:34.101
THE REACH OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

01:39:34.112 --> 01:39:35.690
PLATFORM AND SOCIAL MEDIA

01:39:35.701 --> 01:39:36.998
MEGAPHONE SPREADING FALSE

01:39:37.033 --> 01:39:37.773
CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

01:39:37.784 --> 01:39:39.834
WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO COMPETE WITH

01:39:39.836 --> 01:39:41.403
THE PRESIDENT WHO HAD THE

01:39:41.414 --> 01:39:44.232
BIGGEST BULLY PULPIT IN THE

01:39:44.243 --> 01:39:46.086
WORLD TO PUSH OUT THESE FALSE

01:39:46.120 --> 01:39:46.493
CLAIMS?

01:39:46.504 --> 01:39:49.913
>> FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD IT

01:39:49.946 --> 01:39:51.834
WAS FRUSTRATING BUT OFTEN TIMES

01:39:51.836 --> 01:39:54.552
I FELT OUR INFORMATION WAS

01:39:54.554 --> 01:39:57.554
GETTING OUT BUT THERE WAS A

01:39:57.565 --> 01:39:59.135
RETICENCE OF PEOPLE THAT NEEDED

01:39:59.136 --> 01:40:00.637
TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THE

01:40:00.638 --> 01:40:02.035
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

01:40:02.046 --> 01:40:03.692
WHO MANY LOOKED UP TO AND

01:40:03.703 --> 01:40:06.825
RESPECTED WAS TELLING THEM IT

01:40:06.836 --> 01:40:07.842
WASN’T TRUE.

01:40:07.875 --> 01:40:09.452
DESPITE THE FACTS.

01:40:09.454 --> 01:40:11.377
AND I CHARACTERIZED AT ONE POINT

01:40:11.378 --> 01:40:13.033
IT WAS LIKE A SHOVEL TRYING TO

01:40:13.044 --> 01:40:14.494
EMPTY THE OCEAN.

01:40:14.495 --> 01:40:16.412
AND YES, IT WAS FRUSTRATING.

01:40:16.423 --> 01:40:18.418
I EVEN HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS I HAD

01:40:18.452 --> 01:40:20.318
TO ARGUE WITH ABOUT SOME OF

01:40:20.329 --> 01:40:21.585
THESE THINGS.

01:40:21.596 --> 01:40:25.042
I WOULD SHOW THEM THINGS AND THE

01:40:25.053 --> 01:40:27.401
PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS YOU GET INTO

01:40:27.412 --> 01:40:28.614
PEOPLE’S HEARTS.

01:40:28.648 --> 01:40:30.692
I REMEMBER ONE SPECIFIC ATTORNEY

01:40:30.693 --> 01:40:32.628
THAT WE KNOW THAT WE SHOWED

01:40:32.639 --> 01:40:33.442
WALKING THROUGH, THIS WASN’T

01:40:33.453 --> 01:40:34.240
TRUE.

01:40:34.274 --> 01:40:36.107
I GET THAT.

01:40:36.108 --> 01:40:39.691
THIS WASN’T TRUE.

01:40:39.702 --> 01:40:41.158
OKAY, I GET THAT.

01:40:41.192 --> 01:40:43.272
AT THE END, HE SAID I KNOW IN MY

01:40:43.283 --> 01:40:44.348
HEART THEY CHEATED.

01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:48.169
ONCE YOU GET PAST THE HEART,

01:40:48.180 --> 01:40:50.048
FACTS DON’T MATTER AS MUCH.

01:40:50.059 --> 01:40:52.259
OUR JOB WAS TO GET THE FACTS

01:40:52.270 --> 01:40:54.079
OUT, DO OUR JOB, TELL THE TRUTH,

01:40:54.090 --> 01:40:55.765
FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION, FOLLOW

01:40:55.798 --> 01:40:57.133
THE LAW, AND DEFEND THE

01:40:57.144 --> 01:40:57.823
INSTITUTIONS.

01:40:57.834 --> 01:40:59.324
AND THE INSTITUTIONS HELD.

01:40:59.358 --> 01:41:02.007
>> LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU

01:41:02.018 --> 01:41:03.127
WERE COMPETING WITH.

01:41:03.161 --> 01:41:06.180
THIS IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT

01:41:06.181 --> 01:41:07.481
SPEAKING IN GEORGIA DECEMBER

01:41:07.492 --> 01:41:08.119
5th.

01:41:08.121 --> 01:41:09.757
>> EVIDENCE OF FRAUD IS

01:41:09.768 --> 01:41:11.560
OVERWHELMING AND AGAIN I’M GOING

01:41:11.561 --> 01:41:13.979
TO ASK YOU TO LOOK UP AT THAT

01:41:13.990 --> 01:41:15.185
VERY, VERY POWERFUL AND

01:41:15.196 --> 01:41:16.342
EXPENSIVE SCREEN.

01:41:16.353 --> 01:41:18.130
>> HIDDEN CASES OF POSSIBLE

01:41:18.141 --> 01:41:20.008
BALLOTS ARE ROLLED OUT FROM

01:41:20.042 --> 01:41:22.030
UNDER A TABLE.

01:41:22.041 --> 01:41:24.193
FOUR PEOPLE UNDER A CLOUD OF

01:41:24.227 --> 01:41:25.119
SUSPICION.

01:41:25.130 --> 01:41:28.992
>> SO IF YOU TAKE THE CRIME OF

01:41:29.003 --> 01:41:30.813
WHAT THOSE DEMOCRAT WORKERS WERE

01:41:30.846 --> 01:41:35.143
DOING, AND BY THE WAY, THERE WAS

01:41:35.154 --> 01:41:36.991
NO WATER MAIN BREAK.

01:41:37.002 --> 01:41:38.725
THERE WAS NO WATER PLAIN BREAK,

01:41:38.726 --> 01:41:40.525
THAT’S TEN TIMES MORE THAN I

01:41:40.536 --> 01:41:42.278
NEED TO WIN THE STATE.

01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:44.100
THAT’S TEN TIMES MAYBE MORE THAN

01:41:44.111 --> 01:41:46.850
THAT, BUT TEN TIMES MORE BECAUSE

01:41:46.861 --> 01:41:49.295
WE LOST BY A VERY CLOSE NUMBER.

01:41:49.329 --> 01:41:52.711
>> THIS COMMITTEE’S HEARING LAST

01:41:52.712 --> 01:41:54.515
MONDAY WE HEARD FROM SENIOR

01:41:54.526 --> 01:41:56.213
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

01:41:56.214 --> 01:41:57.475
OFFICIALS, FROM SENIOR MOST

01:41:57.509 --> 01:41:58.736
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL

01:41:58.747 --> 01:42:00.534
IN ATLANTA AT THE TIME, U.S.

01:42:00.545 --> 01:42:02.764
ATTORNEY FOR NORTHERN DISTRICT,

01:42:02.775 --> 01:42:05.370
PJ PACK, AS WELL AS FORMER

01:42:05.381 --> 01:42:06.715
ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR.

01:42:06.749 --> 01:42:08.483
THEY TESTIFIED THE ALLEGATIONS

01:42:08.484 --> 01:42:10.372
WERE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED AND

01:42:10.373 --> 01:42:13.673
FOUND TO HAVE NO MERIT.

01:42:13.674 --> 01:42:16.341
HERE IS U.S. ATTORNEY PACK.

01:42:16.352 --> 01:42:19.305
>> I TOLD HIM WE LOOKED INTO IT,

01:42:19.339 --> 01:42:22.350
WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL THINGS,

01:42:22.361 --> 01:42:23.127
INCLUDING INTERVIEWING

01:42:23.138 --> 01:42:23.879
WITNESSES.

01:42:23.890 --> 01:42:27.000
I LISTENED TO TAPES, REVIEWED

01:42:27.011 --> 01:42:29.301
THE VIDEOTAPE MYSELF AND THERE’S

01:42:29.312 --> 01:42:30.349
NOTHING THERE.

01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:32.840
GIULIANI WAS WRONG REPRESENTING

01:42:32.873 --> 01:42:35.200
THAT THIS WAS A SUITCASE FULL OF

01:42:35.211 --> 01:42:35.601
BALLOTS.

01:42:35.612 --> 01:42:38.319
>> HEARING WHAT ATTORNEY GENERAL

01:42:38.353 --> 01:42:40.916
BILL BARR HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE

01:42:40.918 --> 01:42:41.889
SAME ALLEGATIONS.

01:42:41.900 --> 01:42:45.523
>> TOOK A LOOK, HARD LOOK AT

01:42:45.534 --> 01:42:47.891
THIS OURSELVES AND BASED ON OUR

01:42:47.902 --> 01:42:50.892
REVIEW OF IT, INCLUDING

01:42:50.926 --> 01:42:53.508
INTERVIEWS OF KEY WITNESSES, THE

01:42:53.519 --> 01:42:55.807
FULTON COUNTY ALLEGATIONS

01:42:55.818 --> 01:42:58.110
WERE -- HAD NO MERIT.

01:42:58.121 --> 01:43:01.398
>> WE ALSO HAVE TESTIMONY FROM

01:43:01.409 --> 01:43:03.302
SENIOR DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

01:43:03.336 --> 01:43:03.693
OFFICIALS

01:43:03.704 --> 01:43:04.933
OFFICIALS ESTABLISHING THAT THEY

01:43:04.944 --> 01:43:05.979
SPECIFICALLY TOLD PRESIDENT

01:43:06.013 --> 01:43:07.667
TRUMP THESE ALLEGATIONS HAD BEEN

01:43:07.678 --> 01:43:09.423
THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED AND WERE

01:43:09.458 --> 01:43:11.482
COMPLETELY WITHOUT MERIT.

01:43:11.493 --> 01:43:13.682
HERE’S ACTING ATTORNEY DEPUTY

01:43:13.693 --> 01:43:15.017
ATTORNEY GENERAL RICHARD

01:43:15.028 --> 01:43:16.466
DONAHUE, DESCRIBING A PHONE

01:43:16.501 --> 01:43:17.668
CONVERSATION IN WHICH HE

01:43:17.679 --> 01:43:19.815
SPECIFICALLY TOLD PRESIDENT

01:43:19.826 --> 01:43:23.240
TRUMP THAT THESE ALLEGATIONS

01:43:23.273 --> 01:43:25.045
WERE FALSE.

01:43:25.056 --> 01:43:27.485
>> KEPT FIX ATING ON THE

01:43:27.486 --> 01:43:29.672
SUITCASE, IF THE SUITCASE WAS

01:43:29.683 --> 01:43:31.863
ROLLED OUT FROM UNDER THE TABLE,

01:43:31.864 --> 01:43:33.393
AND I SAID NO, SIR, THERE’S NO

01:43:33.394 --> 01:43:33.756
SUITCASE.

01:43:33.767 --> 01:43:35.967
YOU CAN WATCH IT OVER AND OVER,

01:43:35.968 --> 01:43:38.238
THERE’S NO SUITCASE.

01:43:38.272 --> 01:43:41.076
THERE’S A WHEELED BIN WHERE THEY

01:43:41.077 --> 01:43:42.041
WERE KEPT.

01:43:42.052 --> 01:43:44.261
>> WHERE THEY CURED THE BALLOTS.

01:43:44.272 --> 01:43:45.923
NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES SENIOR

01:43:45.934 --> 01:43:46.803
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS,

01:43:46.837 --> 01:43:48.058
INCLUDING HIS OWN ATTORNEY

01:43:48.069 --> 01:43:49.314
GENERAL GENERAL, TOLD THE

01:43:49.325 --> 01:43:50.655
PRESIDENT THAT THE ALLEGATIONS

01:43:50.689 --> 01:43:52.301
WERE NOT TRUE, PRESIDENT TRUMP

01:43:52.312 --> 01:43:53.906
KEPT PROMOTING THE LIES AND

01:43:53.917 --> 01:43:55.891
PUTTING PRESSURE ON STATE

01:43:55.902 --> 01:43:59.156
OFFICIALS TO ACCEPT THEM.

01:43:59.190 --> 01:44:02.334
JANUARY 2nd, THE PRESIDENT HAD A

01:44:02.345 --> 01:44:03.376
LENGTHY TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

01:44:03.387 --> 01:44:04.643
WITH RAFFENSPERGER.

01:44:04.654 --> 01:44:07.173
I WANT TO SHARE IMPORTANT

01:44:07.184 --> 01:44:07.580
CONTEXT.

01:44:07.591 --> 01:44:09.157
FIRST, THE WHITE HOUSE,

01:44:09.190 --> 01:44:11.201
INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT’S

01:44:11.212 --> 01:44:13.690
CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS,

01:44:13.701 --> 01:44:15.588
REPEATEDLY CALLED OR TEXTED THE

01:44:15.599 --> 01:44:17.774
SECRETARY’S OFFICE SOME 18 TIMES

01:44:17.785 --> 01:44:22.505
IN ORDER TO SET UP THIS CALL.

01:44:22.539 --> 01:44:24.271
THEY WERE QUITE PERSISTENT.

01:44:24.272 --> 01:44:25.762
SECOND, MARK MEADOWS TOOK THE

01:44:25.773 --> 01:44:27.451
EXTRAORDINARY STEP OF SHOWING UP

01:44:27.485 --> 01:44:29.268
AT A SIGNATURE AUDIT SITE IN

01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:31.420
GEORGIA WHERE HE MET WITH

01:44:31.453 --> 01:44:33.984
SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER’S CHIEF

01:44:33.995 --> 01:44:35.897
INVESTIGATORS, FRANCIS WATSON,

01:44:35.908 --> 01:44:37.649
WHO WAS SUPERVISING THE AUDIT

01:44:37.660 --> 01:44:38.304
PROCESS.

01:44:38.338 --> 01:44:41.156
BEHIND ME IS A PHOTOGRAPH FROM

01:44:41.167 --> 01:44:42.285
THAT VISIT.

01:44:42.296 --> 01:44:44.421
THIRD, THE DAY AFTER MEADOWS’

01:44:44.422 --> 01:44:46.331
GEORGIA VISIT, HE SET UP A CALL

01:44:46.365 --> 01:44:47.618
BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

01:44:47.629 --> 01:44:48.584
FRANCIS WATSON.

01:44:48.617 --> 01:44:50.224
ON THE CALL BETWEEN PRESIDENT

01:44:50.235 --> 01:44:52.022
TRUMP AND GEORGIA INVESTIGATOR

01:44:52.023 --> 01:44:53.753
FRANCIS WATSON, THE FORMER

01:44:53.764 --> 01:44:55.694
PRESIDENT CONTINUED TO PUSH THE

01:44:55.729 --> 01:44:57.339
FALSE CLAIM THAT HE WON THE

01:44:57.350 --> 01:44:59.451
STATE OF GEORGIA.

01:44:59.462 --> 01:45:02.166
LET’S LISTEN TO THAT PART OF THE

01:45:02.200 --> 01:45:02.694
CONVERSATION.

01:45:02.705 --> 01:45:05.137
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST THAT YOU

01:45:05.148 --> 01:45:07.760
HAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN

01:45:07.793 --> 01:45:09.598
THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IF

01:45:09.609 --> 01:45:12.538
WE WIN GEORGIA, FIRST OF ALL, IF

01:45:12.573 --> 01:45:14.219
WE WIN, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TWO

01:45:14.221 --> 01:45:14.539
WINS.

01:45:14.540 --> 01:45:15.942
THEY’RE DOWN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE

01:45:15.953 --> 01:45:17.802
OF GEORGIA ARE SO ANGRY AT WHAT

01:45:17.813 --> 01:45:19.738
HAPPENED TO ME, THEY KNOW I WON.

01:45:19.749 --> 01:45:21.311
WON BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

01:45:21.322 --> 01:45:22.851
VOTES, IT WASN’T CLOSE.

01:45:22.885 --> 01:45:24.855
>> AND IN THE NEXT CLIP, HE TOLD

01:45:24.856 --> 01:45:26.497
STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL

01:45:26.508 --> 01:45:32.136
THAT SHE WOULD BE PRAISED IF SHE

01:45:32.147 --> 01:45:34.627
FOUND THE RIGHT ANSWER.

01:45:34.638 --> 01:45:36.898
>> HOPEFULLY, WHEN THE RIGHT

01:45:36.932 --> 01:45:38.252
ANSWER COMES OUT, YOU’LL BE

01:45:38.263 --> 01:45:38.855
PRAISED.

01:45:38.889 --> 01:45:41.966
I MEAN, I DON’T KNOW WHY, YOU

01:45:41.977 --> 01:45:44.586
KNOW, THEY’VE MADE IT SO HARD.

01:45:44.597 --> 01:45:46.530
THEY WILL BE PRAISEED.

01:45:46.563 --> 01:45:48.751
PEOPLE WILL SAY GREAT BECAUSE

01:45:48.762 --> 01:45:50.359
THAT’S WHAT IT’S ABOUT.

01:45:50.370 --> 01:45:52.498
THAT ABILITY TO CHECK AND TO

01:45:52.509 --> 01:45:53.481
MAKE IT RIGHT.

01:45:53.492 --> 01:45:54.994
BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS

01:45:55.029 --> 01:45:56.540
WRONG, THERE’S JUST NO WAY.

01:45:56.541 --> 01:45:58.314
>> MR. RAFFENSPERGER, I KNOW YOU

01:45:58.325 --> 01:46:01.111
WEREN’T ON THIS CALL BUT THAT

01:46:01.122 --> 01:46:02.521
YOU HAVE LISTENED TO IT.

01:46:02.554 --> 01:46:03.776
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN’T WIN BY

01:46:03.777 --> 01:46:04.928
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTES

01:46:04.929 --> 01:46:06.331
IN GEORGIA, DID HE?

01:46:06.342 --> 01:46:07.498
>> NO, HE DID NOT.

01:46:07.509 --> 01:46:09.540
I HAVE BEEN TRAVELING THROUGH

01:46:09.573 --> 01:46:12.201
THE STATE OF GEORGIA FOR A YEAR

01:46:12.212 --> 01:46:15.093
NOW AND SIMPLY PUT IN A NUTSHELL

01:46:15.127 --> 01:46:18.390
WHAT HAPPENED IN FALL OF 2020 IS

01:46:18.401 --> 01:46:19.870
THAT 28,000 GEORGIANS SKIPPED

01:46:19.881 --> 01:46:24.515
THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND VOTED

01:46:24.526 --> 01:46:27.625
DOWN BALLOT IN OTHER RACES, A

01:46:27.636 --> 01:46:28.650
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN GOT

01:46:28.661 --> 01:46:29.975
33,000 MORE VOTES THAN PRESIDENT

01:46:29.986 --> 01:46:30.995
TRUMP, THAT’S WHY PRESIDENT

01:46:31.006 --> 01:46:33.003
TRUMP CAME UP SHORT.

01:46:33.037 --> 01:46:34.837
>> THANK YOU, MR. SECRETARY.

01:46:34.848 --> 01:46:36.622
THE PRESIDENT ON THIS CALL

01:46:36.656 --> 01:46:37.839
DOESN’T STOP HERE.

01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:39.978
LET’S LISTEN TO ANOTHER PART OF

01:46:39.989 --> 01:46:42.345
THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN

01:46:42.356 --> 01:46:44.663
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MISS WATSON.

01:46:44.674 --> 01:46:47.101
>> ANYWAY, BUT WHATEVER YOU CAN

01:46:47.112 --> 01:46:49.476
DO, FRANCIS, IT WOULD BE, IT’S A

01:46:49.487 --> 01:46:50.807
GREAT THING, IT’S AN IMPORTANT

01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:51.928
THING, SO IMPORTANT.

01:46:51.939 --> 01:46:53.281
YOU HAVE NO IDEA, IT’S SO

01:46:53.292 --> 01:46:53.927
IMPORTANT.

01:46:53.938 --> 01:46:56.530
AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.

01:46:56.541 --> 01:46:58.987
>> WHATEVER YOU CAN DO, FRANCIS.

01:46:59.021 --> 01:47:00.729
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE

01:47:00.740 --> 01:47:01.912
UNITED STATES CALLING AN

01:47:01.923 --> 01:47:03.585
INVESTIGATOR LOOKING INTO THE

01:47:03.596 --> 01:47:08.447
ELECTION WHICH HE IS A CANDIDATE

01:47:08.458 --> 01:47:10.695
AND ASKING HER TO DO WHATEVER

01:47:10.697 --> 01:47:11.766
YOU CAN DO.

01:47:11.777 --> 01:47:15.130
MR. SECRETARY, YOU PLACE A CALL

01:47:15.164 --> 01:47:17.224
TO THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR, THE

01:47:17.235 --> 01:47:18.911
SELECT COMMITTEE GOT TEXT

01:47:18.922 --> 01:47:20.079
MESSAGES SAYING MARK MEADOWS

01:47:20.090 --> 01:47:21.852
WANTED TO SEND SOME OF THE

01:47:21.863 --> 01:47:23.200
INVESTIGATORS IN HER OFFICE IN

01:47:23.233 --> 01:47:26.174
THE WORDS OF ONE WHITE HOUSE

01:47:26.185 --> 01:47:29.371
AIDE A HIT LOW OF POTUS STUFF,

01:47:29.404 --> 01:47:30.731
COINS, AUTOGRAPHED MAGA HATS, ET

01:47:30.742 --> 01:47:31.227
CETERA.

01:47:31.238 --> 01:47:33.211
WHITE HOUSE STAFF INTERVENED TO

01:47:33.222 --> 01:47:34.347
BE SURE THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN.

01:47:34.380 --> 01:47:36.870
IT WAS CLEAR AT THE TIME OF THE

01:47:36.871 --> 01:47:39.328
CALL THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAD

01:47:39.339 --> 01:47:41.393
HIS SIGHTS SET ON JANUARY 6.

01:47:41.427 --> 01:47:43.177
LISTEN TO THIS WHEN HE TOLD

01:47:43.188 --> 01:47:45.013
FRANCIS WATSON ABOUT A VERY

01:47:45.024 --> 01:47:45.720
IMPORTANT DATE.

01:47:45.731 --> 01:47:47.530
>> DO YOU THINK THEY’LL BE

01:47:47.541 --> 01:47:49.326
WORKING AFTER CHRISTMAS, TO KEEP

01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:50.206
IT GOING FAST?

01:47:50.207 --> 01:47:52.197
BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT DATE OF THE

01:47:52.208 --> 01:47:53.297
6th WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT

01:47:53.308 --> 01:47:53.712
DATE.

01:47:53.723 --> 01:47:55.391
>> AN IMPORTANT DATE OF COURSE

01:47:55.402 --> 01:47:58.685
WAS THE JOINT SESSION OF

01:47:58.686 --> 01:47:59.623
CONGRESS WHERE GEORGIA’S

01:47:59.624 --> 01:48:01.349
ELECTORAL VOTES WOULD BE COUNTED

01:48:01.360 --> 01:48:04.924
FOR JOE BIDEN. OVER A WEEK AFTER

01:48:04.935 --> 01:48:06.265
CALL TO FRANCES WATSON, THE

01:48:06.276 --> 01:48:07.850
PRESIDENT WAS FINALLY ABLE TO

01:48:07.884 --> 01:48:08.819
SPEAK WITH YOU, SECRETARY

01:48:08.830 --> 01:48:09.307
RAFFENSPERGER.

01:48:09.341 --> 01:48:11.270
BEAR IN MIND AS WE DISCUSS THIS

01:48:11.281 --> 01:48:13.422
CALL TODAY THAT BY THIS POINT IN

01:48:13.455 --> 01:48:15.400
TIME EARLY JANUARY, THE ELECTION

01:48:15.411 --> 01:48:16.980
IN GEORGIA HAD ALREADY BEEN

01:48:16.991 --> 01:48:18.992
CERTIFIED BUT PERHAPS MORE

01:48:19.003 --> 01:48:20.608
IMPORTANT THE PRESIDENT OF THE

01:48:20.619 --> 01:48:22.646
UNITED STATES HAD ALREADY BEEN

01:48:22.680 --> 01:48:24.239
TOLD REPEATEDLY BY HIS OWN TOP

01:48:24.240 --> 01:48:25.118
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS

01:48:25.129 --> 01:48:28.306
THAT THE CLAIMS HE WAS ABOUT TO

01:48:28.340 --> 01:48:31.327
MAKE TO YOU ABOUT MASSIVE FRAUD

01:48:31.338 --> 01:48:32.493
IN GEORGIA WERE COMPLETELY

01:48:32.494 --> 01:48:32.934
FALSE.

01:48:32.945 --> 01:48:35.183
MR. SECRETARY, THE CALL BETWEEN

01:48:35.194 --> 01:48:36.930
YOU AND THE PRESIDENT LASTED 67

01:48:36.964 --> 01:48:38.333
MINUTES, OVER AN HOUR.

01:48:38.344 --> 01:48:40.496
WE OBVIOUSLY CAN’T LISTEN TO THE

01:48:40.529 --> 01:48:41.443
ENTIRE RECORDING HERE TODAY

01:48:41.454 --> 01:48:43.465
ALTHOUGH IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE

01:48:43.476 --> 01:48:45.338
SELECT COMMITTEE’S WEBSITE, BUT

01:48:45.349 --> 01:48:46.641
WE’LL LISTEN TO SELECTED

01:48:46.652 --> 01:48:49.380
EXCERPTS OF IT NOW SO WE CAN GET

01:48:49.414 --> 01:48:50.059
YOUR INSIGHTS.

01:48:50.070 --> 01:48:52.409
LET’S BEGIN WITH THE PRESIDENT

01:48:52.420 --> 01:48:54.427
RAISING THE DEBUNKED ALLEGATIONS
OF SUITCASES OF BALLOTS.

01:49:27.794 --> 01:49:30.929
>> THESE ARE THE ALLEGATIONS OF

01:49:30.964 --> 01:49:32.109
>> THESE ARE THE ALLEGATIONS OF

01:49:32.120 --> 01:49:34.035
THE TENT OFDEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

01:49:34.046 --> 01:49:35.317
YOUR OFFICE HAD SAID WERE FALSE,

01:49:35.351 --> 01:49:35.979
IS THAT RIGHT?

01:49:35.990 --> 01:49:37.151
>> CORRECT.

01:49:37.152 --> 01:49:39.800
AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN

01:49:39.811 --> 01:49:41.833
BJ PACK RESIGNED AS U.S.

01:49:41.867 --> 01:49:44.330
ATTORNEY OF THE NORTHERN

01:49:44.341 --> 01:49:47.513
DISTRICT PRESIDENT TRUMP AP

01:49:47.524 --> 01:49:49.414
APPOINTED ACTING ATTORNEY BOBBY

01:49:49.425 --> 01:49:51.932
CHRISTINE AND HE WAS QUOTED IN

01:49:51.966 --> 01:49:54.348
THE AJC THAT HE FOUND NOTHING

01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:55.699
AND HE DISMISSED THAT CASE EARLY

01:49:55.710 --> 01:49:56.294
ALSO.

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>> AND THE PRESIDENT REFERENCES

01:49:59.096 --> 01:50:00.640
SUITCASES OR TRUNKS.

01:50:00.641 --> 01:50:03.468
MR. STERLING, WERE THE OBJECTS

01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:06.107
SEEN IN THESE VIDEOS SUITCASES

01:50:06.118 --> 01:50:09.610
OR TRUNKS OR WE THEY THE

01:50:09.621 --> 01:50:10.700
ORDINARY CONTAINERS?

01:50:10.711 --> 01:50:12.987
>> STANDARD BALLOT CARRIERS THAT

01:50:12.998 --> 01:50:14.431
ALLOW FOR SEALS TO BE

01:50:14.464 --> 01:50:14.856
TAMPER-PROOF.

01:50:14.867 --> 01:50:17.229
>> AND THE PRESIDENT CLAIMS THAT

01:50:17.264 --> 01:50:19.476
THERE WAS A MINIMUM OF 18,000

01:50:19.487 --> 01:50:20.554
BALLOT SOMEHOW SMUGGLED IN ALL

01:50:20.565 --> 01:50:21.458
FOR BIDEN.

01:50:21.469 --> 01:50:24.217
I TAKE IT THAT THAT WAS ALSO
CATEGORICALLY FALSE?

01:50:24.251 --> 01:50:25.076
CATEGORICALLY FALSE?

01:50:25.087 --> 01:50:30.936
>> A, NO PHYSICAL WAY THAT HE

01:50:30.970 --> 01:50:33.327
KOOCOULD SMUGGLE THOSE. AND FULT

01:50:33.338 --> 01:50:35.611
COUNTY HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WHEN IT

01:50:35.622 --> 01:50:37.691
COMES TO ELECTIONS SO WE HAD A

01:50:37.726 --> 01:50:39.074
VERY DIFFICULT TIME IN THE

01:50:39.085 --> 01:50:40.073
PRIMARY IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF

01:50:40.084 --> 01:50:41.097
COVID.

01:50:41.130 --> 01:50:45.210
SO WE PUT THEM UNDER CONSENT

01:50:45.221 --> 01:50:48.082
DECREE WHERE WE HAD A MONITOR ON

01:50:48.116 --> 01:50:49.813
SITE, CARTER JONES, AND HE HAD

01:50:49.824 --> 01:50:51.452
GONE FROM STATE FARM TO THE

01:50:51.463 --> 01:50:53.665
ENGLISH STREET WAREHOUSE TO LOOK

01:50:53.676 --> 01:50:55.503
AT THE ELECTION DAY ACTIVITIES.

01:50:55.514 --> 01:50:57.318
BUT BEFORE HE LEFT STATE FARM

01:50:57.329 --> 01:50:58.873
ARENA, NOTED HOW MANY BALLOTS

01:50:58.906 --> 01:51:00.571
HAD BEEN COUNTED ON EACH ONE OF

01:51:00.582 --> 01:51:01.723
THE MACHINES.

01:51:01.758 --> 01:51:04.034
WHEN HE CAME BACK AFTER WE FOUND

01:51:04.045 --> 01:51:05.801
OUT THAT THEY WERE WORKING AGAIN

01:51:05.836 --> 01:51:07.834
AND HE TOOK NOTE AGAIN AND I

01:51:07.845 --> 01:51:09.469
BELIEVE THE FINAL NUMBER WAS

01:51:09.480 --> 01:51:11.618
SOMETHING LIKE 8900 BALLOTS WERE

01:51:11.629 --> 01:51:14.820
SCANNED BY THE TIME HE LEFT TO

01:51:14.831 --> 01:51:16.863
THE TIME 1:30 IN THE MORNING.

01:51:16.896 --> 01:51:18.438
WAY BELOW 18,000.
>> LET’S PLAY THE NEXT CLIP.

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>> MR. SECRETARY, DID SOMEBODY

01:51:29.383 --> 01:51:29.824
>> MR. SECRETARY, DID SOMEBODY

01:51:29.835 --> 01:51:31.413
DROP A LOT OF VOTES THERE LATE

01:51:31.447 --> 01:51:32.085
AT NIGHT?

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>> NO.

01:51:32.853 --> 01:51:34.538
I BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS

01:51:34.549 --> 01:51:37.123
REFERRING TO SOME OF THE

01:51:37.134 --> 01:51:39.650
COUNTIES WHEN THEY WOULD UPLOAD,

01:51:39.685 --> 01:51:41.726
BUT THE BALANCELOTS HAD TO BE

01:51:41.737 --> 01:51:43.204
ACCEPTED BY STATE LAW BY 7:00

01:51:43.215 --> 01:51:44.740
P.M., SO THERE WERE NO

01:51:44.775 --> 01:51:45.746
ADDITIONAL BALLOTS ACCEPTED

01:51:45.747 --> 01:51:46.746
AFTER 7:00 P.M.

01:51:46.757 --> 01:51:48.927
>> LET’S PLAY THE NEXT CLIP IN

01:51:48.928 --> 01:51:50.771
WHICH THE PRESIDENT MAKES CLAIMS
ABOUT SO-CALLED DEAD VOTERS.

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>> SO SECRETARY, DID YOUR OFFICE

01:52:16.998 --> 01:52:18.326
>> SO SECRETARY, DID YOUR OFFICE

01:52:18.337 --> 01:52:19.665
INVESTIGATE WHETHER THOSE

01:52:19.676 --> 01:52:21.538
ALLEGATIONS WERE ACCURATE, DID

01:52:21.573 --> 01:52:22.903
5,000 DEAD PEOPLE IN GEORGIA

01:52:22.904 --> 01:52:23.344
VOTE?

01:52:23.355 --> 01:52:25.697
>> NO, IT IS NOT ACCURATE.

01:52:25.698 --> 01:52:28.301
ACTUALLY IN THEIR LAWSUITS THEY

01:52:28.336 --> 01:52:29.805
ALLEGE 10,315 DEAD PEOPLE.

01:52:29.816 --> 01:52:31.727
WE FOUND TWO DEAD PEOPLE WHEN I

01:52:31.761 --> 01:52:33.822
WROTE MY LETTER TO CONGRESS THAT

01:52:33.823 --> 01:52:35.580
IS DATED JANUARY 6, SUBSEQUENT

01:52:35.591 --> 01:52:37.577
TO THAT WE FOUND TWO MORE.

01:52:37.588 --> 01:52:39.867
THAT IS FOUR PEOPLE, NOT 4,000.

01:52:39.878 --> 01:52:41.914
JUST A TOTAL OF FOUR, NOT

01:52:41.948 --> 01:52:45.693
10,000, NOT 5,000.
>> LET’S PLAY THE NEXT CLIP.

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>> THERE IS NOTHING WRONG SAYING

01:52:54.269 --> 01:52:56.448
>> THERE IS NOTHING WRONG SAYING

01:52:56.459 --> 01:52:58.638
THAT YOU RECALCULATED.

01:52:58.649 --> 01:53:00.235
2,000, ABSENTEE BALLOTS, THEY

01:53:00.246 --> 01:53:02.834
ARE ALL EXACT NUMBERS THAT WERE

01:53:02.845 --> 01:53:04.154
DONE BY ACCOUNTING FIRMS,

01:53:04.188 --> 01:53:05.174
LAWMAKERS, ET CETERA.

01:53:05.185 --> 01:53:06.916
AND EVEN IF YOU CUT THEM IN

01:53:06.950 --> 01:53:08.584
HALF, CUT THEM IN HALF AND CUT

01:53:08.595 --> 01:53:11.326
THEM IN HALF AGAIN, IT IS MORE

01:53:11.337 --> 01:53:12.690
VOTES THAN WE NEED.

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>> MR. SECRETARY, IS THERE ANY

01:53:15.423 --> 01:53:16.632
WAY THAT YOU COULD LAWFULLY

01:53:16.666 --> 01:53:18.591
CHANGE THE RESULT IN THE STATE

01:53:18.592 --> 01:53:21.341
OF GEORGIA AND SOMEHOW EXPLAINED

01:53:21.352 --> 01:53:23.120
IT AWAY AS A RECALCULATION?

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>> NO, THE NUMBERS ARE THE

01:53:24.425 --> 01:53:24.929
NUMBERS.

01:53:24.940 --> 01:53:26.460
THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE.

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WE HAD MANY ALLEGATIONS AND WE

01:53:28.290 --> 01:53:29.241
INVESTIGATED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF

01:53:29.242 --> 01:53:29.633
THEM.

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I CHALLENGED MY TEAM DID WE MISS

01:53:31.285 --> 01:53:33.835
ANYTHING AND THEY SAID THAT

01:53:33.868 --> 01:53:35.477
THERE WAS OVER 66,000 UNDERAGE

01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:36.878
VOTERS, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS

01:53:36.879 --> 01:53:37.615
ACTUALLY ZERO.

01:53:37.626 --> 01:53:39.356
YOU CAN REGISTER TO VOTE IN

01:53:39.367 --> 01:53:42.079
GEORGIA WHEN YOU ARE 17 AND A

01:53:42.090 --> 01:53:43.661
HALF, YOU HAVE TO BE 18 BY

01:53:43.695 --> 01:53:45.007
ELECTION DAY.

01:53:45.008 --> 01:53:46.513
WE CHECKED THAT OUT.

01:53:46.515 --> 01:53:48.010
THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS

01:53:48.021 --> 01:53:50.735
NONREGISTERED VOTERS BUT THERE

01:53:50.746 --> 01:53:52.301
WAS ZERO.

01:53:52.312 --> 01:53:53.242
2066 FELONS.

01:53:53.253 --> 01:53:56.373
WE IDENTIFIED LESS THAN 74 STILL

01:53:56.384 --> 01:53:57.442
ON FELONY SENTENCE.

01:53:57.475 --> 01:53:58.949
EVERY ALLEGATION WE RAN DOWN THE

01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:00.417
RABBIT TRAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT

01:54:00.450 --> 01:54:02.344
OUR NUMBERS WERE ACCURATE.

01:54:02.345 --> 01:54:04.838
>> SO NO WAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE

01:54:04.849 --> 01:54:05.686
RECALCULATED EXCEPT BY FUDGING

01:54:05.697 --> 01:54:06.421
THE NUMBERS?

01:54:06.455 --> 01:54:08.484
>> THE NUMBERS WERE THE NUMBERS.

01:54:08.495 --> 01:54:09.818
AND WE COULD NOT RECALCULATE

01:54:09.819 --> 01:54:13.731
BECAUSE WE HAD MADE SURE THAT WE

01:54:13.732 --> 01:54:15.081
HAD CHECKED EVERY SINGLE

01:54:15.082 --> 01:54:15.586
ALLEGATION.

01:54:15.597 --> 01:54:17.913
WE HAD NEARLY 300 INVESTIGATIONS

01:54:17.924 --> 01:54:19.618
FROM THE 2020 ELECTION.

01:54:19.619 --> 01:54:21.928
>> MR. SECRETARY, YOU TRIED TO

01:54:21.929 --> 01:54:23.679
PUSH BACK WHEN THE PRESIDENT

01:54:23.690 --> 01:54:25.371
THAT PIECE UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS,

01:54:25.382 --> 01:54:26.752
WHETHER ABOUT SUITCASES OF

01:54:26.763 --> 01:54:28.300
BALLOTS OR THAT BIDEN VOTES WERE

01:54:28.311 --> 01:54:30.265
COUNTED THREE TIMES.
LET’S PLAY THE NEXT CLIP.

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>> YOU TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT

01:54:51.521 --> 01:54:52.365
>> YOU TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT

01:54:52.376 --> 01:54:54.359
YOU WOULD SEND HIM A LINK FROM

01:54:54.370 --> 01:54:59.230
WSB WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A

01:54:59.241 --> 01:55:00.538
LOCAL TELEVISION STATION THAT

01:55:00.549 --> 01:55:01.725
HAD AN YOU THINK EDITED VIDEO

01:55:01.736 --> 01:55:03.459
FROM STATE FARM ARENA.

01:55:03.493 --> 01:55:05.181
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE HAD A MUCH

01:55:05.192 --> 01:55:05.959
BETTER LINK.

01:55:05.970 --> 01:55:07.202
MR. SECRETARY, AT THE TIME THAT

01:55:07.213 --> 01:55:08.901
YOU WERE ON THE CALL WITH THE

01:55:08.912 --> 01:55:11.343
PRESIDENT AS WE HAVE SHOWN BOTH

01:55:11.354 --> 01:55:13.120
THE FBI AND GEORGIA BUREAU OF

01:55:13.154 --> 01:55:14.090
INVESTIGATION HAVE PROVEN THE

01:55:14.101 --> 01:55:15.573
CLAIMS TO BE NONSENSE AND YOU

01:55:15.584 --> 01:55:16.848
TOLD HIM ABOUT THESE

01:55:16.881 --> 01:55:17.967
INVESTIGATIONS ON THE PHONE.

01:55:17.969 --> 01:55:19.888
LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT PRESIDENT

01:55:19.899 --> 01:55:21.900
TRUMP HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE STATE

01:55:21.911 --> 01:55:25.421
AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS WHO CONDUCTED, WHO

01:55:25.455 --> 01:55:29.278
OFFICERS WHO CONDUCTED, WHO

01:55:29.289 --> 01:55:36.945
INVESTIGATED THESE FALSE CLAIMS.

01:55:36.956 --> 01:55:42.344
>> BUT THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T STOP

01:55:42.377 --> 01:55:45.220
AT INSINUATING THAT LAW

01:55:45.221 --> 01:55:46.754
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WERE EITHER

01:55:46.765 --> 01:55:48.207
DISHONEST OR INCOMPETENCE.

01:55:48.218 --> 01:55:50.499
HE WENT ON TO SUGGEST THAT YOU

01:55:50.533 --> 01:55:51.970
COULD BE SUBJECT TO CRIMINAL

01:55:51.981 --> 01:55:53.080
LIABILITY FOR YOUR ROLE IN THE

01:55:53.091 --> 01:55:53.437
MATTER.

01:55:53.448 --> 01:55:54.946
BEFORE I PLAY THAT PORTION OF

01:55:54.957 --> 01:55:56.087
THE CONVERSATION, I’D LIKE TO

01:55:56.121 --> 01:55:57.539
SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT THE

01:55:57.550 --> 01:55:59.096
PRESIDENT RETWEETED A COUPLE

01:55:59.130 --> 01:56:00.880
WEEKS BEFORE YOUR CALL WITH HIM.

01:56:00.891 --> 01:56:02.660
HERE IS THE PRESIDENT RETWEETING

01:56:02.671 --> 01:56:04.847
A POST FROM ONE OF HIS ALLIES, A

01:56:04.881 --> 01:56:06.301
LAWYER WHO WAS LATER SANCTIONED

01:56:06.302 --> 01:56:08.854
BY A JUDGE IN MICHIGAN TO MAKING

01:56:08.855 --> 01:56:11.480
FALSE CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD.

01:56:11.491 --> 01:56:15.308
LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TWEET.

01:56:15.343 --> 01:56:17.811
THE TWEET READ, QUOTE, PRESIDENT

01:56:17.822 --> 01:56:19.931
TRUMP IS A GENUINELY GOOD MAN.

01:56:19.942 --> 01:56:21.397
HE DOES NOT REALLY LIKE TO FIRE

01:56:21.408 --> 01:56:22.075
PEOPLE.

01:56:22.076 --> 01:56:26.056
I BET HE DISLIKES PUTTING PEOPLE

01:56:26.057 --> 01:56:27.591
IN JAIL ESPECIALLY QUOTE/UNQUOTE

01:56:27.593 --> 01:56:28.397
REPUBLICANS.

01:56:28.408 --> 01:56:30.652
HE GAVE BRIAN KEMP AND GEORGIA

01:56:30.686 --> 01:56:32.261
SECRETARY OF STATE EVERY CHANCE

01:56:32.272 --> 01:56:33.448
TO GET IT RIGHT AND THEY

01:56:33.459 --> 01:56:34.303
REFUSED.

01:56:34.337 --> 01:56:37.241
THEY WILL SOON BE GOING TO JAIL.

01:56:37.243 --> 01:56:39.183
SO ON YOUR CALL THIS, WAS NOT

01:56:39.194 --> 01:56:41.823
THE FIRST TIME THE PRESIDENT WAS

01:56:41.834 --> 01:56:43.823
SUGGESTING THAT YOU MIGHT BE

01:56:43.834 --> 01:56:45.000
CRIMINALLY LIABLE.
WITH THAT LET’S LISTEN TO THIS

01:56:45.002 --> 01:57:00.419
WITH THAT LET’S LISTEN TO THIS

01:57:00.430 --> 01:57:20.988
PORTION OF THE CALL.

01:57:20.999 --> 01:57:26.152
>> SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER,

01:57:26.187 --> 01:57:30.462
AFTER MAKING THE FALSE CLAIM

01:57:30.473 --> 01:57:32.858
ABOUT SHREDDING THE BALLOTS, THE

01:57:32.892 --> 01:57:34.565
PRESIDENT SUGGESTED THAT YOU MAY

01:57:34.576 --> 01:57:37.196
BE COMMITTING A CRIME BY NOT

01:57:37.207 --> 01:57:38.706
GOING ALONG WITH HIS CLAIMS OF

01:57:38.740 --> 01:57:39.389
ELECTION FRAUD.

01:57:39.400 --> 01:57:40.999
AFTER SUGGESTING THAT YOU MIGHT

01:57:41.010 --> 01:57:42.190
HAVE CRIMINAL EXPOSURE,

01:57:42.201 --> 01:57:43.720
PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKES HIS MOST

01:57:43.731 --> 01:57:47.365
EXPLICIT ASK OF THE CALL.
LET’S PLAY A PART OF THAT

01:57:47.398 --> 01:57:56.843
LET’S PLAY A PART OF THAT

01:57:56.854 --> 01:58:00.005
CONVERSATION.

01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:06.171
>> MR. SECRETARY WAS THE

01:58:06.182 --> 01:58:09.384
PRESIDENT HERE ASKING YOU FOR

01:58:09.395 --> 01:58:12.366
EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED, ONE MORE

01:58:12.400 --> 01:58:13.669
VOTE THAN HIS OPPONENT?

01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:16.128
>> WHAT I KNEW IS THAT WE DIDN’T

01:58:16.162 --> 01:58:17.818
HAVE ANY VOTES TO FIND.

01:58:17.829 --> 01:58:19.420
WE HAD CONTINUED TO LOOK.

01:58:19.431 --> 01:58:20.812
WE INVESTIGATED LIKE I SHARED

01:58:20.846 --> 01:58:22.153
THE NUMBERS WITH YOU.

01:58:22.154 --> 01:58:23.607
THERE WERE NO VOTES TO FIND.

01:58:23.608 --> 01:58:27.248
THAT WAS AN ACCURATE COUNT THAT

01:58:27.259 --> 01:58:28.602
HAD BEEN CERTIFIED.

01:58:28.613 --> 01:58:30.422
AS OUR GENERAL COUNSEL SAID,

01:58:30.433 --> 01:58:31.563
THERE WAS NO SHREDDING OF

01:58:31.596 --> 01:58:32.037
BALLOTS.

01:58:32.048 --> 01:58:33.567
>> AFTER MAKING THIS REQUEST,

01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:35.154
THE PRESIDENT THEN GOES BACK TO

01:58:35.165 --> 01:58:36.942
THE DANGER OF HAVING YOU DENY

01:58:36.953 --> 01:58:39.325
THESE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD.

01:58:39.336 --> 01:58:41.652
LET’S LISTEN TO THAT PART OF TH
CLIP.

01:58:57.736 --> 01:58:58.836
>> SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER, YOU

01:58:58.837 --> 01:58:59.563
>> SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER, YOU

01:58:59.574 --> 01:59:01.774
WROTE ABOUT THIS IN YOUR BOOK

01:59:01.785 --> 01:59:03.585
AND YOU SAID, QUOTE, I FELT THEN

01:59:03.596 --> 01:59:05.406
AND STILL BELIEVE TODAY THAT

01:59:05.417 --> 01:59:07.147
THIS WAS A THREAT.

01:59:07.158 --> 01:59:08.830
OTHERS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT SO TOO

01:59:08.841 --> 01:59:10.789
BECAUSE SOME OF TRUMP’S MORE

01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:12.198
RADICAL FOLLOWERS HAVE RESPONDED

01:59:12.209 --> 01:59:14.913
AS IF IT WAS THEIR DUTY TO CARRY

01:59:14.946 --> 01:59:16.067
OUT THIS THREAT.

01:59:16.068 --> 01:59:18.024
PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU, YOUR

01:59:18.035 --> 01:59:19.229
WIFE, EVEN YOUR DAUGHTER-IN-LAW

01:59:19.240 --> 01:59:21.442
EXPERIENCED REGARDING THREATS

01:59:21.453 --> 01:59:23.297
FROM TRUMP’S MORE RADICAL

01:59:23.331 --> 01:59:24.871
FOLLOWERS.

01:59:24.882 --> 01:59:29.619
>> AFTER THE ELECTION, MY Email,

01:59:29.630 --> 01:59:32.937
MY CELLPHONE WAS DOCKED AND I

01:59:32.948 --> 01:59:34.659
WAS GETTING TEXTS FROM ALL OVER

01:59:34.694 --> 01:59:37.806
THE COUNTRY AND EVENTUALLY MY

01:59:37.817 --> 01:59:40.494
WIFE STARTED GETTING THE TEXTS.

01:59:40.505 --> 01:59:42.613
HERSELF OIG TYPICALLYIP IK

01:59:42.624 --> 01:59:44.151
HERS TYPICALLY CAME IN AS

01:59:44.162 --> 01:59:44.573
SEXUALIZED.

01:59:44.584 --> 01:59:45.567
THEY WERE DISGUSTING.

01:59:45.601 --> 01:59:47.069
WE’VE BEEN MARRIED OVER 40 YEARS

01:59:47.080 --> 01:59:48.786
NOW AND I THINK THEY STARTED

01:59:48.797 --> 01:59:50.391
GOING AFTER HER TO JUST PUT

01:59:50.425 --> 01:59:51.773
PRESSURE IN ME, WHY DON’T YOU

01:59:51.774 --> 01:59:52.770
JUST QUIT, WALK AWAY.

01:59:52.781 --> 01:59:53.636
SO THAT HAPPENED.

01:59:53.670 --> 01:59:56.464
AND THEN SOME PEOPLE BROKE INTO

01:59:56.465 --> 01:59:59.572
MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW’S HOME AND MY

01:59:59.583 --> 02:00:02.475
SON HAS PASSED AND SHE IS A

02:00:02.509 --> 02:00:03.609
WIDOW, HAS TWO KIDS.

02:00:03.610 --> 02:00:04.994
SO WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HER

02:00:05.005 --> 02:00:05.874
SAFETY ALSO.

02:00:05.885 --> 02:00:09.491
>> AND MR. SECRETARY, WHY DIDN’T

02:00:09.502 --> 02:00:11.653
YOU JUST QUIT AND WALK AWAY?

02:00:11.664 --> 02:00:13.264
>> BECAUSE I KNEW WE HAD

02:00:13.275 --> 02:00:14.624
FOLLOWED THE LAW, WE HAD

02:00:14.635 --> 02:00:15.753
FOLLOWED THE CONSTITUTION AND I

02:00:15.764 --> 02:00:18.210
THINK SOMETIMES MOMENTS REQUIRE

02:00:18.211 --> 02:00:20.958
YOU TO STAND UP AND JUST TAKE

02:00:20.969 --> 02:00:22.558
THE SHOTS, YOU’RE DOING YOUR

02:00:22.569 --> 02:00:24.279
JOB, AND THAT IS ALL WE DID.

02:00:24.313 --> 02:00:26.029
JUST FOLLOWED THE LAW AND

02:00:26.040 --> 02:00:27.131
FOLLOWED THE CONSTITUTION.

02:00:27.142 --> 02:00:29.013
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY

02:00:29.024 --> 02:00:30.537
PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME UP SHORT.

02:00:30.571 --> 02:00:31.954
I HAD TO BE FAITHFUL TO THE

02:00:31.965 --> 02:00:32.548
CONSTITUTION.

02:00:32.559 --> 02:00:35.283
AND THAT IS WHAT I SWORE AN OATH

02:00:35.294 --> 02:00:36.073
TO DO.

02:00:36.084 --> 02:00:37.939
>> DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE

02:00:37.950 --> 02:00:39.190
CALL, FORMER PRESIDENT CONTINUED

02:00:39.201 --> 02:00:40.594
TO PRESS YOU TO FIND THE

02:00:40.605 --> 02:00:42.640
REMAINING VOTES THAT WOULD
ENSURE HIS VICTORY IN GEORGIA.

02:00:42.642 --> 02:00:50.615
ENSURE HIS VICTORY IN GEORGIA.

02:00:50.626 --> 02:01:14.576
LET’S LISTEN TO A LITTLE MORE.

02:01:14.610 --> 02:01:24.593
>> FOUR DAYS AFTER THE

02:01:24.594 --> 02:01:28.012
PRESIDENT’S CALL TO SECRETARY

02:01:28.013 --> 02:01:30.163
RAFFENSPERGER WAS JANUARY 6.

02:01:30.174 --> 02:01:32.341
THE PRESIDENT WHIPPED UP THE

02:01:32.352 --> 02:01:36.826
CROWD IN FRONT OF THE ELIPSE

02:01:36.837 --> 02:01:38.481
ONCE AGAIN PROMOTING THE

02:01:38.515 --> 02:01:39.295
ALLEGATION THAT SECRETARY

02:01:39.306 --> 02:01:40.090
RAFFENSPERGER TOLD HIM WAS

02:01:40.101 --> 02:01:41.224
FALSE.

02:01:41.235 --> 02:01:45.345
HERE HE IS ON THE ELIPSE.

02:01:45.356 --> 02:01:48.057
>> FULTON COUNTY REPUBLICAN POLL

02:01:48.091 --> 02:01:49.693
WATCHERS REJECTED, IN SOME CASES

02:01:49.704 --> 02:01:51.740
PHYSICALLY FROM THE ROOM UNDER

02:01:51.751 --> 02:01:53.120
THE FALSE PRETENSE OF A PIPE

02:01:53.131 --> 02:01:53.693
BURST.

02:01:53.704 --> 02:01:55.612
WATER MAIN BURST, EVERYBODY

02:01:55.646 --> 02:01:59.209
LEAVE, WHICH WE NOW KNOW WAS A

02:01:59.210 --> 02:02:01.983
TOTAL LIE.

02:02:01.984 --> 02:02:06.225
THEN ELECTION OFFICIALS PULL

02:02:06.236 --> 02:02:08.843
BOXES, DEMOCRATS, SUITCASES FROM

02:02:08.854 --> 02:02:10.828
OUT UNDER A TABLE.

02:02:10.839 --> 02:02:12.322
TOTALLY FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGALLY

02:02:12.333 --> 02:02:14.606
SCANNED THEM FOR NEARLY TWO

02:02:14.617 --> 02:02:15.863
HOURS TOTALLY UNSUPERVISED.

02:02:15.897 --> 02:02:18.336
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTES.

02:02:18.347 --> 02:02:20.249
THIS ACT COINCIDED WITH A

02:02:20.260 --> 02:02:23.189
MYSTERIOUS VOTE DUMP OF UP TO

02:02:23.223 --> 02:02:24.704
100,000 VOTES FOR JOE BIDEN,

02:02:24.715 --> 02:02:28.049
ALMOST NONE FOR TRUMP.

02:02:28.082 --> 02:02:30.884
OH, THAT SOUNDS FAIR.

02:02:30.895 --> 02:02:33.012
THAT WAS AST 1:34 A.M.

02:02:33.023 --> 02:02:34.365
>> MR. SECRETARY, MR. STERLING,

02:02:34.376 --> 02:02:36.158
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR

02:02:36.193 --> 02:02:39.282
SERVICE TO THE STATE OF GEORGIA
AND TO THE COUNTRY.

02:02:39.293 --> 02:02:41.900
AND TO THE COUNTRY.

02:02:41.911 --> 02:02:48.457
SPEAKER BOWERS LIKEWISE, I WANT

02:02:48.491 --> 02:02:52.034
TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO

02:02:52.035 --> 02:02:53.990
THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND TO THE

02:02:54.001 --> 02:02:54.192
COUNTRY.

02:02:54.203 --> 02:02:55.360
YOU HAVE SERVED NOT ONLY YOUR

02:02:55.394 --> 02:02:57.381
HOME STATES AND OUR DEMOCRACY.

02:02:57.382 --> 02:02:58.453
I YIELD BACK.

02:02:58.464 --> 02:03:01.781
>> I THANK THE WITNESSES FOR
JOINING US TODAY.

02:03:01.816 --> 02:03:12.318
JOINING US TODAY.

02:03:12.329 --> 02:03:54.377
YOU ARE NOW DISMISSED.

02:03:54.412 --> 02:04:26.035
>> I THOUSAND WELCOME OUR FINAL

02:04:26.036 --> 02:04:36.774
WITNESS THIS AFTERNOON.NOW WELCO

02:04:36.785 --> 02:04:40.222
WITNESS THIS AFTERNOON.

02:04:40.233 --> 02:04:41.445
SHAYE MOSS.

02:04:41.456 --> 02:04:43.443
MS. MOSS WORKED IN THE

02:04:43.454 --> 02:04:44.942
DEPARTMENT OF REGISTRATION AND

02:04:44.975 --> 02:04:47.805
ELECTIONS IN FULTON COUNTY,

02:04:47.816 --> 02:04:51.208
GEORGIA FROM 2017 UNTIL 2022.

02:04:51.219 --> 02:04:54.277
IN THAT JOB, MS. MOSS HANDLED

02:04:54.310 --> 02:04:56.077
VOTER APPLICATIONS AND ABSENTEE

02:04:56.088 --> 02:04:57.710
BALLOT REQUESTS AND ALSO HELPED

02:04:57.721 --> 02:05:00.981
TO PROCESS THE VOTE COUNT FOR

02:05:00.992 --> 02:05:02.280
SEVERAL ELECTIONS.

02:05:02.291 --> 02:05:05.021
IN DECEMBER 2020, MS. MOSS AND

02:05:05.032 --> 02:05:08.310
HER MOTHER, MISS RUBY FREEMAN,

02:05:08.344 --> 02:05:10.263
BECAME THE TARGET OF NASTY LIES

02:05:10.274 --> 02:05:12.936
SPREAD BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

02:05:12.947 --> 02:05:16.362
HIS ALLIES AS THEY SOUGHT TO

02:05:16.396 --> 02:05:17.982
OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS IN

02:05:17.993 --> 02:05:18.540
GEORGIA.

02:05:18.551 --> 02:05:20.655
MS. MOSS AND HER MOTHER, MS.

02:05:20.666 --> 02:05:24.074
FREEMAN, ARE TWO OF THE UNSUNG

02:05:24.085 --> 02:05:27.222
HEROS IN THIS COUNTRY DOING THE

02:05:27.256 --> 02:05:29.380
HARD WORK OF KEEPING OUR

02:05:29.382 --> 02:05:30.452
DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING FOR EVERY

02:05:30.463 --> 02:05:31.575
AMERICAN.

02:05:31.586 --> 02:05:34.736
MS. MOSS, WELCOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I

02:05:34.770 --> 02:05:37.467
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I

02:05:37.468 --> 02:05:42.854
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

02:05:42.865 --> 02:05:46.851
I WILL THOUSAND SWEAR YOUNOW SWE

02:05:46.885 --> 02:05:48.070
PLEASE STAND.

02:05:48.072 --> 02:05:50.189
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM UNDER

02:05:50.200 --> 02:05:51.765
PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT THE

02:05:51.776 --> 02:05:53.340
TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE

02:05:53.373 --> 02:05:56.598
IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH

02:05:56.609 --> 02:05:59.344
AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO

02:05:59.378 --> 02:06:00.256
HELP YOU GOD?

02:06:00.267 --> 02:06:02.541
THANK YOU.

02:06:02.552 --> 02:06:04.400
PLEASE BE SEATED.

02:06:04.411 --> 02:06:08.746
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE

02:06:08.757 --> 02:06:10.389
WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE

02:06:10.400 --> 02:06:10.758
AFFIRMATIVE.

02:06:10.769 --> 02:06:13.264
MS. MOSS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

02:06:13.275 --> 02:06:14.885
FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

02:06:14.896 --> 02:06:18.099
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE HERE

02:06:18.110 --> 02:06:22.136
ALONG WITH YOUR MOTHER TODAY.

02:06:22.170 --> 02:06:28.958
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOUR

02:06:28.959 --> 02:06:29.742
MAMA?

02:06:29.743 --> 02:06:30.779
HI, MOM.

02:06:30.790 --> 02:06:33.950
MS. MOSS, TODAY WE’LL BE ASKING

02:06:33.951 --> 02:06:36.031
YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE THREATS

02:06:36.065 --> 02:06:37.704
THAT YOU RECEIVED FOLLOWING THE

02:06:37.705 --> 02:06:38.389
2020 ELECTION.

02:06:38.400 --> 02:06:40.589
SINCE YOU’VE BEEN AN ELECTION

02:06:40.623 --> 02:06:43.770
WORKER FOR OVER TEN YEARS, I

02:06:43.771 --> 02:06:46.933
WANT TO ASK YOU IN YOUR DECADE

02:06:46.944 --> 02:06:52.180
OF SERVICE, HAD YOU EVER
EXPERIENCED THREATS LIKE THESE

02:06:52.214 --> 02:06:55.861
EXPERIENCED THREATS LIKE THESE

02:06:55.872 --> 02:06:57.689
BEFORE?

02:06:57.700 --> 02:07:01.640
[ SHAKES HEAD ]

02:07:01.651 --> 02:07:04.341
>> DON’T BE NERVOUS.

02:07:04.352 --> 02:07:05.122
I UNDERSTAND.

02:07:05.133 --> 02:07:08.051
SO -- AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE

02:07:08.052 --> 02:07:09.579
THAT THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT

02:07:09.590 --> 02:07:11.513
YOU’VE DONE IT FOR QUITE A WHILE

02:07:11.547 --> 02:07:15.475
AND YOU NEVER RECEIVED THREATS,

02:07:15.476 --> 02:07:18.214
AND YOUR ANSWER WAS NO?

02:07:18.225 --> 02:07:19.608
THANK YOU.

02:07:19.619 --> 02:07:23.498
PURSUANT TO SECTION 5-C-8 OF THE

02:07:23.531 --> 02:07:25.544
HOUSE RESOLUTION 503, THE CHAIR

02:07:25.545 --> 02:07:28.909
RECOGNIZES GENTLEMAN FROM

02:07:28.910 --> 02:07:31.220
CALIFORNIA MR. SCHIFF FOR

02:07:31.231 --> 02:07:31.694
QUESTIONS.

02:07:31.728 --> 02:07:33.336
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MS. MOSS.

02:07:33.347 --> 02:07:34.442
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

02:07:34.443 --> 02:07:36.310
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE

02:07:36.321 --> 02:07:37.982
EMPLOYED BY THE FULTON COUNTY

02:07:37.993 --> 02:07:39.075
REGISTRATION AND ELECTIONS

02:07:39.086 --> 02:07:40.176
DEPARTMENT FOR MORE THAN TEN

02:07:40.187 --> 02:07:40.612
YEARS.

02:07:40.623 --> 02:07:42.659
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU LOVED

02:07:42.660 --> 02:07:44.333
THAT JOB.
PLEASE TELL US WHAT MADE YOU SO

02:07:44.367 --> 02:07:47.419
PLEASE TELL US WHAT MADE YOU SO

02:07:47.430 --> 02:07:54.564
FOND OF THE WORK THAT YOU DID.

02:07:54.575 --> 02:08:00.306
>> WELL, I’VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD
BY MY GRANDMOTHER HOW IMPORTANT

02:08:00.317 --> 02:08:01.695
BY MY GRANDMOTHER HOW IMPORTANT

02:08:01.706 --> 02:08:07.261
IT IS TO VOTE AND HOW POP BEFORE

02:08:07.295 --> 02:08:09.550
BEFORE ME, OLDER PEOPLE IN MY

02:08:09.561 --> 02:08:11.973
FAMILY, DID NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.

02:08:11.984 --> 02:08:15.858
SO WHAT I LOVED THE MOST ABOUT

02:08:15.869 --> 02:08:18.823
MY JOB WERE THE OLDER VOTERS.

02:08:18.834 --> 02:08:20.359
YOUNGER PEOPLE COULD USUALLY DO

02:08:20.370 --> 02:08:22.340
EVERYTHING FROM THEIR PHONE OR

02:08:22.351 --> 02:08:25.166
GO ONLINE, BUT THE OLDER VOTERS

02:08:25.201 --> 02:08:27.696
LIKE TO CALL, THEY LIKE TO TALK

02:08:27.697 --> 02:08:29.807
TO YOU, THEY LIKE TO GET MY

02:08:29.809 --> 02:08:32.654
CARD, THEY LIKE TO KNOW THAT

02:08:32.665 --> 02:08:35.124
EVERY ELECTION I’M HERE.

02:08:35.135 --> 02:08:37.904
AND EVEN COLLEGE STUDENTS, A LOT

02:08:37.937 --> 02:08:39.873
OF PARENTS TRUSTED ME TO MAKE

02:08:39.884 --> 02:08:42.524
SURE THAT THEIR CHILD DOES NOT

02:08:42.535 --> 02:08:45.966
HAVE TO DRIVE HOME, THEY WILL

02:08:45.977 --> 02:08:48.355
GET AN ABSENTEE BALLOT, THEY CAN

02:08:48.366 --> 02:08:48.649
VOTE.

02:08:48.683 --> 02:08:49.743
AND I REALLY FOUND PLEASURE IN

02:08:49.745 --> 02:08:50.376
THAT.

02:08:50.387 --> 02:08:53.395
I LIKE BEING THE ONE THAT BEING

02:08:53.396 --> 02:08:55.684
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE CAN’T

02:08:55.695 --> 02:08:57.849
NAVIGATE MY VOTER PAGE OR, YOU

02:08:57.860 --> 02:08:59.528
KNOW, THEY WANT A NEW PRECINCT

02:08:59.539 --> 02:09:01.848
CARD, THEY DON’T HAVE A COPY

02:09:01.859 --> 02:09:04.652
MACHINE OR A COMPUTER OR ALL OF

02:09:04.686 --> 02:09:06.431
THAT, I CAN PUT IT IN THE MAIL

02:09:06.432 --> 02:09:07.363
FOR THEM.

02:09:07.374 --> 02:09:09.350
I WAS EXCITED ALWAYS ABOUT

02:09:09.361 --> 02:09:12.538
SINDING OUT ALL THE ABSENTEE

02:09:12.549 --> 02:09:14.412
BALLOTS FOR THE ELDERLY,

02:09:14.423 --> 02:09:16.425
DISABLED PEOPLE.

02:09:16.459 --> 02:09:23.279
I EVEN REMEMBER DRIVING TO A

02:09:23.290 --> 02:09:26.106
HOSPITAL TO GIVE SOMEONE HER

02:09:26.140 --> 02:09:26.715
ABSENTEE APPLICATION.

02:09:26.726 --> 02:09:28.957
THAT’S WHAT I LOVED THE MOST.

02:09:28.958 --> 02:09:32.820
>> SO YOU REALLY ENJOYED HELPING

02:09:32.831 --> 02:09:34.527
PEOPLE VOTE AND PARTICIPATE AND

02:09:34.561 --> 02:09:36.164
THAT WAS SOMETHING -- THE RIGHT

02:09:36.175 --> 02:09:37.322
TO VOTE THAT YOUR GRANDMOTHER

02:09:37.356 --> 02:09:39.874
TAUGHT YOU WAS PRECIOUS.

02:09:39.885 --> 02:09:40.721
>> YES.

02:09:40.722 --> 02:09:43.044
>> I KNOW THE EVENTS THAT WE’RE

02:09:43.055 --> 02:09:46.007
HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY ARE

02:09:46.040 --> 02:09:47.620
INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO RELIVE.

02:09:47.631 --> 02:09:49.240
YOUR PROUD SERVICE AS AN

02:09:49.251 --> 02:09:50.665
ELECTION WORKER TOOK A DRAMATIC

02:09:50.676 --> 02:09:53.703
TURN ON THE DAY THAT RUDY

02:09:53.737 --> 02:09:55.679
GIULIANI PUBLICIZED THE VIDEO OF

02:09:55.690 --> 02:09:58.246
YOU AND YOUR MOTHER COUNTING

02:09:58.280 --> 02:09:59.463
BALLOTS ON ELECTION NIGHT.

02:09:59.474 --> 02:10:00.787
PRESIDENT TRUMP, RUDY GIULIANI

02:10:00.820 --> 02:10:03.233
AND OTHERS CLAIMED ON THE BASIS

02:10:03.234 --> 02:10:05.426
OF THIS VIDEO THAT YOU AND YOUR

02:10:05.427 --> 02:10:07.167
MOTHER WERE SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN

02:10:07.168 --> 02:10:09.317
A PLOT TO KICK OUT OBSERVERS,

02:10:09.318 --> 02:10:12.098
BRING SUITCASES OF FALSE BALLOTS

02:10:12.109 --> 02:10:14.139
FOR BIDEN INTO THE ARENA AND

02:10:14.173 --> 02:10:15.618
THEN RUN THEM THROUGH THE

02:10:15.620 --> 02:10:16.471
MACHINES MULTIPLE TIMES.

02:10:16.482 --> 02:10:19.677
NONE OF THAT WAS TRUE, WAS IT?

02:10:19.712 --> 02:10:20.925
>> NONE OF IT.

02:10:20.936 --> 02:10:23.425
>> I’D LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME OF

02:10:23.436 --> 02:10:25.042
THE STATEMENTS THAT RUDY

02:10:25.053 --> 02:10:26.628
GIULIANI MADE IN A SECOND

02:10:26.639 --> 02:10:28.113
HEARING BEFORE THE GEORGIA STATE

02:10:28.124 --> 02:10:29.557
LEGISLATURES A WEEK AFTER THAT

02:10:29.568 --> 02:10:32.454
VIDEO CLIP FROM STATE FARM ARENA

02:10:32.465 --> 02:10:33.817
WAS FIRST CIRCULATED BY MR.

02:10:33.828 --> 02:10:34.776
GIULIANI AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.

02:10:34.787 --> 02:10:37.128
I WANT TO ADVISE VIEWERS THAT

02:10:37.162 --> 02:10:40.385
THESE STATEMENTS ARE COMPLETELY

02:10:40.396 --> 02:10:43.434
FALSE AND ALSO DEEPLY

02:10:43.468 --> 02:10:45.682
DISTURBING.
>> TAPE EARLIER IN THE DAY OF

02:10:45.683 --> 02:10:47.551
>> TAPE EARLIER IN THE DAY OF

02:10:47.552 --> 02:10:51.278
RUBY FREEMAN AND SHAYE MOSS AND

02:10:51.289 --> 02:10:54.162
ONE OTHER GENTLEMAN SAY RIP

02:10:54.173 --> 02:10:56.567
TESCH USUALLY PASSING AROUND

02:10:56.601 --> 02:10:58.857
PORTS AS IF THEY ARE VIALS OF

02:10:58.868 --> 02:10:59.107
COCAINE.

02:10:59.140 --> 02:11:01.594
IT IS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WHO IS A

02:11:01.605 --> 02:11:03.120
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR OR

02:11:03.131 --> 02:11:05.844
PROSECUTOR THAT THEY ARE ENGAGED

02:11:05.855 --> 02:11:06.855
IN SURREPTITIOUS ILLEGAL

02:11:06.866 --> 02:11:07.969
ACTIVITY AGAIN THAT DAY.

02:11:08.003 --> 02:11:11.045
AND THAT IS A WEEK AGO AND THEY

02:11:11.056 --> 02:11:12.246
ARE STILL WALKING AROUND GEORGIA

02:11:12.257 --> 02:11:13.682
LYING.

02:11:13.693 --> 02:11:17.248
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED

02:11:17.259 --> 02:11:17.665
ALREADY.

02:11:17.676 --> 02:11:19.115
THEIR PLACES OF WORK, THEIR

02:11:19.126 --> 02:11:23.981
HOMES SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEARCHED

02:11:23.992 --> 02:11:26.871
FOR EVIDENCE OF BALLOTS, USV

02:11:26.882 --> 02:11:29.015
PORTS, EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD.

02:11:29.048 --> 02:11:31.899
>> THAT VIDEO WAS FROM RUDY

02:11:31.910 --> 02:11:34.057
GIULIANI’S APPEARANCE AT A

02:11:34.091 --> 02:11:35.560
GEORGIA STATE SENATE HEARING ON

02:11:35.571 --> 02:11:36.303
DECEMBER 10.

02:11:36.337 --> 02:11:38.670
HOW DID YOU BECOME AWARE, HOW

02:11:38.671 --> 02:11:40.646
DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE THAT

02:11:40.647 --> 02:11:41.688
RUDY GIULIANI, THE PRESIDENT’S

02:11:41.689 --> 02:11:46.294
LAWYER, WAS ACCUSING YOU AND

02:11:46.305 --> 02:11:51.372
YOUR MOTHER OF A CRIME?

02:11:51.373 --> 02:11:56.419
>> I WAS AT WORK LIKE ALWAYS.

02:11:56.421 --> 02:11:59.894
AND FORMER CHIEF, MR. JONES,

02:11:59.895 --> 02:12:02.396
ASKED ME TO COME TO HIS OFFICE.

02:12:02.407 --> 02:12:06.295
AND WHEN I WENT TO HIS OFFICE,

02:12:06.306 --> 02:12:09.107
THE FORMER DIRECTOR, MR. BARREN,

02:12:09.108 --> 02:12:13.724
WAS IN THERE AND THEY SHOWED ME

02:12:13.725 --> 02:12:16.500
A VIDEO ON THEIR COMPUTER.

02:12:16.534 --> 02:12:19.845
IT WAS JUST LIKE A VERY SHORT

02:12:19.856 --> 02:12:22.885
CLIP OF US WORKING AT STATE

02:12:22.896 --> 02:12:24.060
FARM.

02:12:24.071 --> 02:12:28.507
AND IT HAD SOMEONE ON THE VIDEO

02:12:28.518 --> 02:12:32.211
LIKE TALKING OVER THE VIDEO JUST

02:12:32.245 --> 02:12:36.345
SAYING THAT WE WERE DOING THINGS

02:12:36.347 --> 02:12:40.619
THAT WE WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO DO.

02:12:40.620 --> 02:12:42.187
JUST LYING THROUGHOUT THE VIDEO.

02:12:42.198 --> 02:12:46.211
AND THAT IS WHEN I FIRST FOUND

02:12:46.212 --> 02:12:47.158
OUT ABOUT IT.

02:12:47.160 --> 02:12:49.396
>> WERE THERE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS

02:12:49.407 --> 02:12:52.315
THAT THEY SHOWED YOU RESPONDING

02:12:52.349 --> 02:12:54.855
TO THOSE FALSE CLAIMS?

02:12:54.866 --> 02:12:57.875
>> WELL, WHEN I SAW THE VIDEO OF

02:12:57.886 --> 02:13:00.401
COURSE THE FIRST THING THAT I

02:13:00.412 --> 02:13:02.192
SAID WAS LIKE WHY?

02:13:02.203 --> 02:13:05.480
WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?

02:13:05.515 --> 02:13:08.597
WHAT IS GOING ON?

02:13:08.599 --> 02:13:12.946
AND THEY JUST TOLD ME THAT TRUMP

02:13:12.947 --> 02:13:16.005
AND HIS ALLIES WERE NOT

02:13:16.007 --> 02:13:17.594
SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME OF

02:13:17.605 --> 02:13:20.888
THE ELECTION AND THEY WERE

02:13:20.899 --> 02:13:24.154
GETTING A LOT OF THREATS AND

02:13:24.188 --> 02:13:25.892
BEING HARASSED ONLINE AND ASKED

02:13:25.893 --> 02:13:28.553
ME HAVE I BEEN RECEIVING

02:13:28.554 --> 02:13:31.282
ANYTHING AND I NEED TO CHECK ON

02:13:31.293 --> 02:13:32.272
MY MOM.

02:13:32.305 --> 02:13:34.738
AND I TOLD THEM, I WAS LIKE,

02:13:34.749 --> 02:13:36.597
WHERE, WHERE HAVE THEY, YOU

02:13:36.608 --> 02:13:38.851
KNOW -- WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

02:13:38.862 --> 02:13:39.751
GETTING THESE THREATS?

02:13:39.762 --> 02:13:42.047
I DON’T BELIEVE I HAVE ANY.

02:13:42.058 --> 02:13:46.098
AND MR. JONES TOLD ME LIKE THEY

02:13:46.109 --> 02:13:47.533
ARE ATTACKING HIS FACEBOOK.

02:13:47.566 --> 02:13:48.891
AND I DON’T REALLY USE FACEBOOK.

02:13:48.902 --> 02:13:49.676
I HAVE ONE.

02:13:49.687 --> 02:13:52.232
SO I WENT TO THE FACEBOOK APP

02:13:52.266 --> 02:13:54.088
AND I’M JUST KIND OF PANICKY AT

02:13:54.090 --> 02:13:55.679
THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS HAS

02:13:55.690 --> 02:13:57.837
NEVER HAPPENED TO ME AND MY MOM

02:13:57.871 --> 02:13:59.998
IS INVOLVED.

02:14:00.009 --> 02:14:03.082
I’M LIKE HER ONLY CHILD.

02:14:03.093 --> 02:14:06.234
SO I’M ASKING LIKE WHERE ARE THE

02:14:06.245 --> 02:14:08.562
MESSAGES, AUGUST I ALL I SEE IS

02:14:08.597 --> 02:14:10.010
AND HOW DO I GET TO THE

02:14:10.021 --> 02:14:10.246
MESSAGES.

02:14:10.280 --> 02:14:12.100
AND HE SAID THERE IS ANOTHER

02:14:12.111 --> 02:14:13.263
ICON ON YOUR PHONE THAT SAYS

02:14:13.297 --> 02:14:14.249
MESSENGER.

02:14:14.251 --> 02:14:17.557
AND I WENT TO THAT ICON AND IT

02:14:17.558 --> 02:14:19.068
WAS JUST ALE LOT OF HORRIBLE

02:14:19.079 --> 02:14:19.797
THINGS THERE.

02:14:19.808 --> 02:14:21.592
>> AND DID THOSE HORRIBLE THINGS

02:14:21.603 --> 02:14:23.230
INCLUDE THREATS?

02:14:23.264 --> 02:14:29.148
>> YES, A LOT OF THREATS.

02:14:29.149 --> 02:14:31.341
WISHING DEATH UPON ME.

02:14:31.352 --> 02:14:35.400
TELLING ME THAT I’LL BE IN JAIL

02:14:35.411 --> 02:14:39.607
WITH MY MOTHER AND SAYING THINGS

02:14:39.618 --> 02:14:43.074
LIKE BE GLAD IT IS 2020 AND NOT

02:14:43.107 --> 02:14:43.849
1920.

02:14:43.860 --> 02:14:47.299
>> WERE A LOT OF THESE THREATS

02:14:47.300 --> 02:14:48.709
AND VILE COMMENTS RACIST IN

02:14:48.720 --> 02:14:49.128
NATURE?

02:14:49.162 --> 02:14:54.757
>> A LOT OF THEM WERE RACIST, A

02:14:54.768 --> 02:14:56.155
LOT WERE JUST HATEFUL.

02:14:56.189 --> 02:14:57.071
YES, SIR.

02:14:57.073 --> 02:14:59.332
>> IN ONE OF THE VIDEOS WE JUST

02:14:59.334 --> 02:15:00.587
WATCHED MR. GIULIANI ACCUSED YOU

02:15:00.588 --> 02:15:02.812
AND YOUR MOTHER OF PASSING SOME

02:15:02.813 --> 02:15:04.865
SORT OF USB DRIVE TO EACH OTHER.

02:15:04.876 --> 02:15:07.180
WHAT WAS YOUR MOM ACTUALLY

02:15:07.191 --> 02:15:10.938
HANDING YOU ON THAT VIDEO?

02:15:10.949 --> 02:15:13.208
>> A GINGER MINT.

02:15:13.219 --> 02:15:14.975
>> IT WASN’T JUST RUDY GIULIANI.

02:15:14.986 --> 02:15:17.339
WE HEARD PRESIDENT TRUMP MAKE

02:15:17.350 --> 02:15:20.037
THESE FALSE ALLEGATIONS

02:15:20.048 --> 02:15:22.467
REPEATEDLY DURING HIS CALL WITH

02:15:22.478 --> 02:15:22.978
SECRETARY RAFFENSPERGER.

02:15:23.012 --> 02:15:27.934
LET’S LISTEN TO A PORTION OF
WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT YOU AND

02:15:27.935 --> 02:15:38.972
WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT YOU AND

02:15:38.983 --> 02:15:44.497
YOUR MOTHER.

02:15:44.508 --> 02:15:51.277
>> DONALD TRUMP ATTACKED YOU AND

02:15:51.310 --> 02:15:55.552
YOUR MOTHER USING HER NAME 18
TIMES ON THAT CALL.

02:15:55.563 --> 02:15:58.631
TIMES ON THAT CALL.

02:15:58.642 --> 02:16:01.709
18 TIMES.

02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:07.524
MS. LOSS, CAN YOU ATTACK HOW I

02:16:07.535 --> 02:16:09.976
PELT WHEN YOU HEARD PRESIDENT

02:16:09.987 --> 02:16:11.545
TRUMP ATTACKING YOU AND YOUR

02:16:11.556 --> 02:16:12.613
MOTHER?
>> I FELT HORRIBLE.

02:16:12.647 --> 02:16:15.074
>> I FELT HORRIBLE.

02:16:15.085 --> 02:16:24.837
I FELT LIKE IT WAS ALL MY FAULT.

02:16:24.872 --> 02:16:27.923
LIKE IF I WOULD HAVE NEVER

02:16:27.925 --> 02:16:29.125
DECIDED TO BE AN ELECTIONS

02:16:29.136 --> 02:16:30.088
WORKER LIKE I COULD HAVE --

02:16:30.122 --> 02:16:31.086
ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT IS WHAT

02:16:31.097 --> 02:16:33.316
I DECIDED DO AND NOW IS PEOPLE

02:16:33.350 --> 02:16:35.741
WERE LYING AND ATTACKING MY MOM.

02:16:35.743 --> 02:16:37.595
I’M HER ONLY CHILD, I HAVE HER

02:16:37.606 --> 02:16:39.576
ONLY GRANDCHILD.

02:16:39.587 --> 02:16:44.062
AND MY KID IS JUST -- I FELT SO

02:16:44.097 --> 02:16:44.662
BAD.

02:16:44.673 --> 02:16:47.499
JUST FELT BAD FOR MY MOM AND I

02:16:47.533 --> 02:16:49.096
FELT HORRIBLE FOR PICKING THIS

02:16:49.107 --> 02:16:52.115
JOB AND BEING THE ONE THAT

02:16:52.116 --> 02:16:54.142
ALWAYS WANTS TO HELP AND ALWAYS

02:16:54.153 --> 02:16:54.619
THERE.

02:16:54.630 --> 02:16:56.892
NEVER MISSING NOT ONE ELECTION.

02:16:56.903 --> 02:16:58.698
I JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS MY

02:16:58.732 --> 02:16:59.425
FAULT.

02:16:59.426 --> 02:17:01.337
PUTTING MY FAMILY IN THIS

02:17:01.338 --> 02:17:02.484
SITUATION.

02:17:02.495 --> 02:17:05.578
>> WELL, IT WASN’T YOUR FAULT.

02:17:05.589 --> 02:17:08.059
YOUR MOTHER WAS KIND ENOUGH TO

02:17:08.070 --> 02:17:11.523
COME SPEAK WITH US EARLIER.

02:17:11.557 --> 02:17:15.090
LET’S LISTEN TO HER STORY IN HER

02:17:15.091 --> 02:17:15.837
WORDS.

02:17:15.838 --> 02:17:18.681
>> MY NAME IS RUBY FREEMAN.

02:17:18.692 --> 02:17:20.519
I’VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WHEN

02:17:20.530 --> 02:17:22.556
GOD SAYS THAT HE WILL MAKE YOUR

02:17:22.567 --> 02:17:26.211
NAME GREAT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE

02:17:26.222 --> 02:17:28.757
WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

02:17:28.790 --> 02:17:32.333
I COULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED THE

02:17:32.344 --> 02:17:34.830
EVENTS THAT FOLLOWED THE

02:17:34.864 --> 02:17:36.199
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2020.

02:17:36.210 --> 02:17:38.178
FOR MY ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL LIFE,

02:17:38.213 --> 02:17:40.034
I WAS LADY RUBY.

02:17:40.036 --> 02:17:42.722
MY COMMUNITY IN GEORGIA WHERE I

02:17:42.733 --> 02:17:45.676
WAS BORN AND LIVED MY WHOLE LIFE

02:17:45.687 --> 02:17:48.806
KNEW ME AS LADY RUBY.

02:17:48.840 --> 02:17:52.624
I BUILT MY OWN BUSINESS AROUND

02:17:52.635 --> 02:17:54.395
THAT NAME, LADY RUBY’S UNIQUE

02:17:54.406 --> 02:17:55.073
TREASURES.

02:17:55.084 --> 02:17:58.676
A POP-UP SHOP CATERING TO LADIES

02:17:58.687 --> 02:18:00.395
WITH UNIQUE FASHIONS.

02:18:00.406 --> 02:18:02.681
I WORE A SHIRT THAT PROUDLY

02:18:02.692 --> 02:18:06.214
PROCLAIMED THAT I WAS AND I AM

02:18:06.225 --> 02:18:07.537
LADY RUBY.

02:18:07.548 --> 02:18:10.583
ACTUALLY I HAD THAT SHIRT ON --

02:18:10.616 --> 02:18:13.780
I HAD THAT SHIRT IN EVERY COLOR.

02:18:13.781 --> 02:18:15.847
I WORE THAT SHIRT ON ELECTION

02:18:15.858 --> 02:18:16.773
DAY 2020.

02:18:16.784 --> 02:18:19.736
I HAVEN’T WORN IT SINCE.

02:18:19.738 --> 02:18:22.919
AND I’LL NEVER WEAR IT AGAIN.

02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:25.528
NOW I WON’T EVEN INTRODUCE

02:18:25.539 --> 02:18:28.222
MYSELF BY MY NAME ANYMORE.

02:18:28.233 --> 02:18:30.804
I GET NERVOUS WHEN I BUMP INTO

02:18:30.815 --> 02:18:33.210
SOMEONE I KNOW IN THE GROCERY

02:18:33.221 --> 02:18:36.036
STORE WHO SAYS MY NAME.

02:18:36.047 --> 02:18:37.654
I’M WORRIED ABOUT WHO IS

02:18:37.665 --> 02:18:38.098
LISTENING.

02:18:38.109 --> 02:18:40.703
I GET NERVOUS WHEN I HAVE TO

02:18:40.714 --> 02:18:42.982
GIVE MY NAME FOR FOOD ORDERS.

02:18:42.993 --> 02:18:44.474
I’M ALWAYS CONCERNED OF WHO IS

02:18:44.485 --> 02:18:45.414
AROUND ME.

02:18:45.425 --> 02:18:50.732
I’VE LOST MY NAME AND I’VE LOST

02:18:50.743 --> 02:18:53.713
MY REPUTATION, I’VE LOST MY

02:18:53.724 --> 02:18:57.848
SENSE OF SECURITY, ALL BECAUSE A

02:18:57.859 --> 02:19:01.520
GROUP OF PEOPLE STARTING WITH

02:19:01.555 --> 02:19:04.556
NUMBER 45 AND HIS ALLY RUDY

02:19:04.567 --> 02:19:06.571
GIULIANI DECIDED TO SCAPEGOAT ME

02:19:06.582 --> 02:19:08.766
AND MY DAUGHTER SHAYE TO PUSH

02:19:08.799 --> 02:19:12.315
THEIR OWN LIES ABOUT HOW THE

02:19:12.316 --> 02:19:17.006
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS

02:19:17.017 --> 02:19:17.886
STOLEN.

02:19:17.897 --> 02:19:20.843
>> MS. LOSSMOSS, HOW IS THIS

02:19:20.877 --> 02:19:22.628
EXPERIENCE BEING TARGETED BY THE

02:19:22.630 --> 02:19:23.986
FORMER PRESIDENT AND HIS ALLIES

02:19:23.997 --> 02:19:27.160
AFFECTED YOUR LIFE?

02:19:27.171 --> 02:19:31.363
>> IT’S TURNED MY LIFE UPSIDE

02:19:31.365 --> 02:19:32.094
DOWN.

02:19:32.128 --> 02:19:34.792
I NO LONGER GIVE OUT MY BUSINESS

02:19:34.794 --> 02:19:36.592
CARD.

02:19:36.603 --> 02:19:39.481
I DON’T TRANSFER CALLS.

02:19:39.492 --> 02:19:41.727
I DON’T WANT ANYONE KNOWING MY

02:19:41.738 --> 02:19:42.035
NAME.

02:19:42.046 --> 02:19:45.012
I DON’T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE WITH

02:19:45.046 --> 02:19:47.624
MY MOM BECAUSE SHE MIGHT YELL MY

02:19:47.626 --> 02:19:49.077
NAME OUT OVER THE GROCERY AISLE

02:19:49.088 --> 02:19:49.688
OR SOMETHING.

02:19:49.699 --> 02:19:52.122
I DON’T GO TO THE GROCERY STORE

02:19:52.155 --> 02:19:53.791
AT ALL.

02:19:53.802 --> 02:19:58.042
I HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE AT ALL.

02:19:58.075 --> 02:20:00.191
I’VE GAINED ABOUT 60 POUNDS.

02:20:00.202 --> 02:20:03.009
I JUST DON’T DO NOTHING ANYMORE.

02:20:03.043 --> 02:20:06.914
I DON’T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE.

02:20:06.915 --> 02:20:08.938
I SECOND GUESS EVERYTHING THAT I

02:20:08.949 --> 02:20:09.675
DO.

02:20:09.676 --> 02:20:12.214
IT HAS AFFECTED MY LIFE IN A

02:20:12.225 --> 02:20:14.320
MAJOR WAY.

02:20:14.353 --> 02:20:18.209
IN EVERY WAY.

02:20:18.220 --> 02:20:20.772
ALL BECAUSE OF LIES.

02:20:20.783 --> 02:20:25.935
ME DOING MY JOB.
SAME THING I’VE BEEN DOING

02:20:25.969 --> 02:20:28.299
SAME THING I’VE BEEN DOING

02:20:28.310 --> 02:20:29.469
FOREVER.

02:20:29.480 --> 02:20:33.397
>> YOUR MOTHER ALSO TOLD THE

02:20:33.408 --> 02:20:35.243
SELECT COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW SHE

02:20:35.254 --> 02:20:38.110
HAD TO LEAVE HER OWN HOME FOR

02:20:38.121 --> 02:20:39.539
HER SAFETY AND GO INTO HIDING

02:20:39.550 --> 02:20:41.951
AFTER THE FBI TOLD HER THAT IT

02:20:41.952 --> 02:20:43.833
WOULD NOT BE SAFE FOR HER THERE

02:20:43.844 --> 02:20:44.982
BEFORE JANUARY 6 AND UNTIL THE

02:20:44.993 --> 02:20:45.270
INAUGURATION.

02:20:45.281 --> 02:20:48.693
LET’S LISTEN TO A CLIP OF HER

02:20:48.704 --> 02:20:52.602
STORY IN HER OWN WORDS.

02:20:52.636 --> 02:20:55.526
>> AROUND THE WEEK OF JANUARY 6,

02:20:55.527 --> 02:21:00.503
THE FBI INFORMED ME THAT I

02:21:00.514 --> 02:21:03.882
NEEDED TO LEAVE MY HOME FOR

02:21:03.893 --> 02:21:04.627
SAFETY.

02:21:04.638 --> 02:21:07.909
AND I LEFT MY HOME FOR SAFETY

02:21:07.911 --> 02:21:09.126
AROUND THAT TIME.

02:21:09.161 --> 02:21:11.330
>> AND HOW LONG DID YOU STAY

02:21:11.331 --> 02:21:13.504
OUT -- YOU KNOW, DID YOU REMAIN

02:21:13.515 --> 02:21:14.775
OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME FOR YOUR

02:21:14.808 --> 02:21:15.432
OWN SAFETY?

02:21:15.443 --> 02:21:17.863
>> I STAYED AWAY FROM MY HOME

02:21:17.897 --> 02:21:20.073
FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS.

02:21:20.074 --> 02:21:21.850
IT WAS HORRIBLE.

02:21:21.851 --> 02:21:24.374
I FELT HOMELESS, I FELT, YOU

02:21:24.385 --> 02:21:26.359
KNOW -- I CAN’T BELIEVE -- I

02:21:26.392 --> 02:21:28.407
CAN’T BELIEVE THIS PERSON HAS

02:21:28.418 --> 02:21:30.661
CAUSED THIS MUCH DAMAGE TO ME

02:21:30.672 --> 02:21:31.860
AND MY FAMILY.

02:21:31.871 --> 02:21:36.237
TO HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOME THAT

02:21:36.270 --> 02:21:38.508
I’VE LIVED THERE FOR 21 YEARS

02:21:38.519 --> 02:21:41.549
AND, YOU KNOW, I’LL HAVING TO

02:21:41.560 --> 02:21:44.216
HAVE MY NEIGHBORS WATCH OUT FOR

02:21:44.251 --> 02:21:45.883
ME, YOU KNOW.

02:21:45.894 --> 02:21:48.375
AND I HAVE TO GO IN AND STAY

02:21:48.409 --> 02:21:49.090
WITH SOMEBODY?

02:21:49.101 --> 02:21:51.794
IT WAS HARD.

02:21:51.805 --> 02:21:53.878
IT WAS HORRIBLE.

02:21:53.889 --> 02:21:55.682
>> AND YOUR CONVERSATION WITH

02:21:55.684 --> 02:21:57.660
THE FBI ABOUT NEEDING TO LEAVE

02:21:57.671 --> 02:22:00.529
YOUR HOME FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY OR

02:22:00.540 --> 02:22:02.067
PERHAPS RECOMMENDING IT, DO YOU

02:22:02.078 --> 02:22:04.462
REMEMBER WAS THERE IS A SPECIFIC

02:22:04.473 --> 02:22:06.212
THREAT THAT PROMPTED THAT OR WAS

02:22:06.246 --> 02:22:09.930
IT THE ACCUMULATION OF THREATS
THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED?

02:22:09.941 --> 02:22:11.363
THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED?

02:22:11.364 --> 02:22:16.336
>> WHAT PROMPTED IT WAS IT WAS

02:22:16.347 --> 02:22:20.065
GETTING READY TO -- JANUARY 6

02:22:20.076 --> 02:22:21.220
WAS ABOUT TO COME.

02:22:21.231 --> 02:22:22.969
AND THEY DID NOT WANT ME TO BE

02:22:23.002 --> 02:22:24.205
AT HOME BECAUSE OF ALL THE

02:22:24.216 --> 02:22:25.499
THREATS AND EVERYTHING THAT I

02:22:25.533 --> 02:22:26.331
HAD GOTTEN.

02:22:26.342 --> 02:22:28.454
THEY DIDN’T WANT ME TO BE THERE

02:22:28.465 --> 02:22:33.243
IN FEAR OF, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE

02:22:33.277 --> 02:22:36.705
WOULD COME INTO MY HOME AND I

02:22:36.716 --> 02:22:38.351
HAVE A LOT OF THAT, SO THEY

02:22:38.385 --> 02:22:39.690
DIDN’T WANT ME TO BE THERE JUST

02:22:39.701 --> 02:22:40.801
IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED ABOUT

02:22:40.802 --> 02:22:44.393
AND I ASKED HOW LONG AND THEY

02:22:44.394 --> 02:22:46.155
SAID AT LEAST UNTIL THE

02:22:46.166 --> 02:22:46.842
INAUGURATION.

02:22:46.853 --> 02:22:49.983
>> MS. LOSS, I UNDERSTAND THAT

02:22:50.017 --> 02:22:51.987
PEOPLE ONCE SHOWED YOU AT YOUR

02:22:51.988 --> 02:22:54.941
GRANDMOTHER’S HOUSE.

02:22:54.952 --> 02:23:00.928
TELL US ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE.

02:23:00.939 --> 02:23:05.970
>> I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MY

02:23:05.971 --> 02:23:06.476
GRANDMOTHER

02:23:06.478 --> 02:23:06.739
GRANDMOTHER.

02:23:06.750 --> 02:23:07.791
THIS WOMAN IS MY EVERYTHING.

02:23:07.802 --> 02:23:10.782
I’VE NEVER EVEN HEARD HER OR

02:23:10.793 --> 02:23:14.325
SEEN HER CRY EVER IN MY LIFE.

02:23:14.326 --> 02:23:17.936
AND SHE CALLED ME SCREAMING AT

02:23:17.938 --> 02:23:21.187
THE TOP OF HER LUNGS LIKE SHAYE,

02:23:21.221 --> 02:23:24.585
OH, MY GOD, SHAYE, JUST FREAKING

02:23:24.596 --> 02:23:27.517
ME OUT, SAYING THAT PEOPLE WERE

02:23:27.550 --> 02:23:29.699
AT HER HOME AND THEY -- YOU

02:23:29.700 --> 02:23:31.166
KNOW, THEY KNOCKED ON THE DOOR

02:23:31.167 --> 02:23:33.321
AND OF COURSE SHE OPENED IT AND

02:23:33.332 --> 02:23:34.423
SEEING WHO WAS THERE, WHO IT

02:23:34.434 --> 02:23:35.250
WAS.

02:23:35.261 --> 02:23:37.363
AND THEY JUST STARTED PUSHING

02:23:37.374 --> 02:23:41.297
THEIR WAY THROUGH CLAIMING THAT

02:23:41.308 --> 02:23:43.859
THEY WERE COMING INTO MAKE A

02:23:43.870 --> 02:23:47.585
CITIZENS ARREST, THEY NEEDED TO

02:23:47.596 --> 02:23:51.984
FIND ME AND MY MOM, THEY KNEW WE

02:23:51.995 --> 02:23:52.858
WERE THERE.

02:23:52.869 --> 02:23:55.342
AND SHE WAS JUST SCREAMING AND

02:23:55.353 --> 02:23:57.150
DIDN’T KNOW WHAT DO.

02:23:57.161 --> 02:24:00.334
AND I WASN’T THERE, SO, YOU

02:24:00.367 --> 02:24:04.161
KNOW, I JUST FELT SO HELPLESS

02:24:04.172 --> 02:24:06.763
AND SO HORRIBLE FOR HER.

02:24:06.764 --> 02:24:08.349
AND SHE WAS JUST SCREAMING.

02:24:08.351 --> 02:24:13.618
I TOLD HER CLOSE THE DOOR, DON’T

02:24:13.619 --> 02:24:15.961
OPEN THE DOOR FOR ANYONE.

02:24:15.962 --> 02:24:18.488
SHE WAS A 70 SOMETHING OLD WOMAN

02:24:18.499 --> 02:24:19.706
AND SHE DOESN’T LIKE HAVING

02:24:19.717 --> 02:24:20.047
RESTRICTIONS.

02:24:20.080 --> 02:24:21.729
SHE WANTS TO ANSWER THE DOOR.

02:24:21.740 --> 02:24:23.961
SHE LIKES TO GET HER STEPS IN,

02:24:23.972 --> 02:24:25.498
WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

02:24:25.509 --> 02:24:27.814
AND I HAD TO TELL HER LIKE YOU

02:24:27.848 --> 02:24:32.586
CAN’T DO THAT.

02:24:32.597 --> 02:24:35.821
YOU HAVE TO BE SAFE.

02:24:35.855 --> 02:24:38.246
SHE WOULD TELL ME AT NIGHT

02:24:38.257 --> 02:24:39.946
PEOPLE WOULD JUST CONTINUOUSLY

02:24:39.947 --> 02:24:42.383
SEND PIZZAS OVER AND OVER TO HER

02:24:42.384 --> 02:24:43.835
HOME, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE

02:24:43.870 --> 02:24:47.657
EXPECTING HER TO PAY FOR THESE

02:24:47.668 --> 02:24:49.934
LARGE AMOUNTS OF PIZZAS.

02:24:49.945 --> 02:24:52.152
SHE WENT THROUGH A LOT THAT SHE

02:24:52.163 --> 02:24:54.204
DIDN’T HAVE TO.

02:24:54.215 --> 02:24:57.438
ONCE AGAIN, IT MADE ME JUST FEEL

02:24:57.449 --> 02:24:58.356
SO HORRIBLE.

02:24:58.367 --> 02:25:00.130
>> IN ADDITION TO THE PERSONAL

02:25:00.141 --> 02:25:01.634
IMPACT THIS EXPERIENCE HAS HAD

02:25:01.668 --> 02:25:04.025
ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, ONE OF

02:25:04.036 --> 02:25:06.202
THE THINGS THAT I FIND MOST

02:25:06.213 --> 02:25:07.541
DISTURBING IS HOW THESE LIES

02:25:07.552 --> 02:25:09.502
DISCOURAGE LONG TIME ELECTION

02:25:09.537 --> 02:25:11.108
WORKERS FROM CONTINUING DO THIS

02:25:11.109 --> 02:25:11.868
IMPORTANT WORK.

02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:14.138
TELL US, IF YOU WOULD, OF THE

02:25:14.149 --> 02:25:15.813
OTHER ELECTION WORKERS SHOWN IN

02:25:15.824 --> 02:25:18.030
THAT STATE FARM ARENA VIDEO AND

02:25:18.041 --> 02:25:21.636
THEIR SUPERVISORS, HOW MANY ARE

02:25:21.637 --> 02:25:24.545
STILL ELECTION WORKERS IN FULTON

02:25:24.546 --> 02:25:25.095
COUNTY?

02:25:25.106 --> 02:25:28.408
>> THERE IS NO PERMANENT

02:25:28.419 --> 02:25:30.809
ELECTION WORKER OR SUPERVISOR IN

02:25:30.843 --> 02:25:32.750
THAT VIDEO THAT IS STILL THERE.

02:25:32.761 --> 02:25:35.255
>> AND DID YOU END UP LEAVING

02:25:35.266 --> 02:25:37.868
YOUR POSITION AS WELL?

02:25:37.879 --> 02:25:39.238
>> YES, I LEFT.

02:25:39.249 --> 02:25:41.507
>> MS. MOSS, I WANT TO THANK YOU

02:25:41.541 --> 02:25:44.618
FOR COMING INTO SPEAK WITH US.

02:25:44.620 --> 02:25:46.854
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

02:25:46.865 --> 02:25:48.186
TO OUR DEMOCRACY.

02:25:48.220 --> 02:25:50.388
WHAT WE HAVE JUST PLAYED IS A

02:25:50.389 --> 02:25:51.795
TRULY MORE ONLY AND APPALLING

02:25:51.806 --> 02:25:53.354
SAMPLE, BUT JUST A SAMPLE OF THE

02:25:53.365 --> 02:25:54.708
THINGS THAT WERE SAID ABOUT YOU

02:25:54.741 --> 02:25:55.583
AND YOUR MOTHER FOLLOWING THE

02:25:55.584 --> 02:25:55.950
ELECTION.

02:25:55.961 --> 02:25:58.207
I WANT TO SAY HOW VERY SORRY I

02:25:58.218 --> 02:26:00.074
THINK THAT WE ALL ARE FOR WHAT

02:26:00.076 --> 02:26:02.013
YOU’VE GONE THROUGH AND

02:26:02.024 --> 02:26:03.490
TRAGICALLY YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

02:26:03.523 --> 02:26:05.230
OTHER ELECTION WORKERS AROUND

02:26:05.232 --> 02:26:07.420
THE COUNTRY HAVE ALSO BEEN THE

02:26:07.431 --> 02:26:08.775
SUBJECT OF LIES AND THREATS.

02:26:08.810 --> 02:26:10.147
NO ELECTION WORKER SHOULD BE

02:26:10.148 --> 02:26:11.431
SUBJECT TO SUCH HEINOUS

02:26:11.442 --> 02:26:12.571
TREATMENT JUST FOR DOING THEIR

02:26:12.606 --> 02:26:13.056
JOB.

02:26:13.058 --> 02:26:14.847
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD

02:26:14.848 --> 02:26:18.389
LIKE TO GIVE YOUR MOTHER THE

02:26:18.400 --> 02:26:19.562
LAST WORD.

02:26:19.573 --> 02:26:21.794
>> YES.
WE’LL JUST PLAY THE TAPE.

02:26:21.828 --> 02:26:23.085
WE’LL JUST PLAY THE TAPE.

02:26:23.096 --> 02:26:27.534
>> THERE IS NOWHERE I FEEL SAFE.

02:26:27.567 --> 02:26:28.277
NOWHERE.

02:26:28.288 --> 02:26:32.009
DO YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE

02:26:32.043 --> 02:26:34.898
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

02:26:34.900 --> 02:26:36.659
STATES TO TARGET YOU?

02:26:36.670 --> 02:26:40.077
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

02:26:40.111 --> 02:26:43.381
STATES IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT

02:26:43.382 --> 02:26:45.101
EVERY AMERICAN, NOT TO TARGET

02:26:45.112 --> 02:26:46.149
ONE.

02:26:46.160 --> 02:26:48.823
BUT HE TARGETED ME.

02:26:48.856 --> 02:26:50.461
LADY RUBY.

02:26:50.472 --> 02:26:54.489
A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, A

02:26:54.522 --> 02:26:56.612
MOTHER, A PROUD AMERICAN

02:26:56.623 --> 02:26:58.511
CITIZEN, WHO WAS STANDING UP TO

02:26:58.545 --> 02:27:01.309
HELPFUL TON COUNTY RUN THE

02:27:01.310 --> 02:27:03.180
ELECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

02:27:03.181 --> 02:27:03.748
PANDEMIC.

02:27:03.759 --> 02:27:06.722
>> THANK YOU, MS. MOSS.

02:27:06.756 --> 02:27:08.490
THANK YOU, MS. FREEMAN.

02:27:08.501 --> 02:27:10.037
AS AMERICA NOW KNOWS HER, LADY

02:27:10.048 --> 02:27:10.532
RUBY.

02:27:10.566 --> 02:27:12.787
FOR YOUR SERVICE TO FULTON

02:27:12.798 --> 02:27:14.255
COUNTY, GEORGIA, OUR COUNTRY AND

02:27:14.289 --> 02:27:16.306
OUR DEMOCRACY.

02:27:16.317 --> 02:27:21.043
MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK.

02:27:21.054 --> 02:27:24.037
>> THANK YOU, MR. SCHIFF.

02:27:24.071 --> 02:27:27.601
MS. MOSS, I WANT TO THANK YOU

02:27:27.612 --> 02:27:29.391
FOR SHARING WITH US THE VERY

02:27:29.402 --> 02:27:32.333
TROUBLING STORY OF WHAT YOU AND

02:27:32.367 --> 02:27:33.777
YOUR MOTHER EXPERIENCED.

02:27:33.788 --> 02:27:35.725
THE HARASSMENT OF ELECTION

02:27:35.759 --> 02:27:38.068
WORKERS LIKE YOU SIMPLY FOR

02:27:38.079 --> 02:27:41.150
DOING YOUR DUTY AS PUBLIC

02:27:41.161 --> 02:27:43.832
SERVANTS POSES A THREAT TO OUR

02:27:43.866 --> 02:27:45.017
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

02:27:45.028 --> 02:27:47.936
YOUR TESTIMONY IS AN IMPORTANT

02:27:47.937 --> 02:27:50.464
CONTRIBUTION TO THE WORK OF OUR

02:27:50.465 --> 02:27:52.124
COMMITTEE AND SERVES AS A

02:27:52.125 --> 02:27:54.860
REMINDER TO ALL OF US THAT THE

02:27:54.871 --> 02:27:56.668
SAFETY OF LOCAL ELECTION

02:27:56.701 --> 02:27:59.763
OFFICIALS IS VITAL TO ENSURING

02:27:59.764 --> 02:28:05.217
THAT OUR ELECTIONS ARE ALWAYS

02:28:05.228 --> 02:28:07.662
FREE AND FAIR.

02:28:07.697 --> 02:28:10.438
I WANT TO THANK OUR WITNESS FOR

02:28:10.449 --> 02:28:12.252
JOINING US TODAY.

02:28:12.263 --> 02:28:14.152
THE MEMBERS OF THE SELECT

02:28:14.186 --> 02:28:16.370
COMMITTEE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL

02:28:16.381 --> 02:28:18.922
QUESTIONS FOR TODAY’S WITNESS

02:28:18.933 --> 02:28:21.970
AND WE ASK THAT YOU RESPOND

02:28:22.004 --> 02:28:23.738
EXPEDITIOUSLY IN WRITING TO

02:28:23.749 --> 02:28:24.717
THOSE QUESTIONS.

02:28:24.750 --> 02:28:26.712
WITHOUT OBJECTION, MEMBERS WILL

02:28:26.723 --> 02:28:29.068
BE PERMITTED TEN BUSINESS DAYS

02:28:29.079 --> 02:28:31.183
TO SUBMIT STATEMENTS FOR THE

02:28:31.184 --> 02:28:33.795
RECORD INCLUDING OPENING REMARKS

02:28:33.797 --> 02:28:35.574
AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE

02:28:35.585 --> 02:28:36.110
WITNESS.

02:28:36.111 --> 02:28:38.592
WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE CHAIR

02:28:38.593 --> 02:28:41.903
RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM

02:28:41.914 --> 02:28:44.477
CALIFORNIA MR. SCHIFF FOR A SLOW

02:28:44.512 --> 02:28:45.445
CLOSING STATEMENT.

02:28:45.456 --> 02:28:47.285
>> FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS OUR

02:28:47.319 --> 02:28:48.707
DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN DISTINGUISHED

02:28:48.709 --> 02:28:49.770
BY THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF

02:28:49.771 --> 02:28:50.143
POWER.

02:28:50.154 --> 02:28:51.526
WHEN AN AMERICAN RAISES THEIR

02:28:51.560 --> 02:28:53.231
RIGHT HAND AND TAKES THE

02:28:53.242 --> 02:28:55.133
PRESIDENTIAL OATH OF OFFICE,

02:28:55.167 --> 02:28:56.835
THEY ARE TRANSFORMED FROM AN

02:28:56.846 --> 02:28:59.553
ORDINARY CITIZEN INTO THE MOST

02:28:59.564 --> 02:29:01.241
POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD,

02:29:01.252 --> 02:29:02.801
THE PRESIDENT.

02:29:02.835 --> 02:29:05.463
THIS IS AN AWESOME POWER TO

02:29:05.474 --> 02:29:08.012
ACQUIRE, IT IS EVEN MORE AWESOME

02:29:08.023 --> 02:29:09.752
WHEN IT IS HANDED ON PEACEFULLY.

02:29:09.763 --> 02:29:11.995
WHEN GEORGE WASHINGTON

02:29:12.006 --> 02:29:13.552
RELINQUISHED THE OFFICE THE

02:29:13.563 --> 02:29:15.171
PRESIDENCY, IT SET A PRECEDENT

02:29:15.205 --> 02:29:17.820
THAT SERVED AS A BEACON FOR

02:29:17.831 --> 02:29:18.895
OTHER NATIONS STRUGGLING AGAINST

02:29:18.906 --> 02:29:19.497
TYRANNY.

02:29:19.530 --> 02:29:21.935
WHEN RONALD REAGAN DESCRIBED IT

02:29:21.946 --> 02:29:23.874
AS A KIND OF MIRACLE IN THE EYES

02:29:23.885 --> 02:29:25.747
OF THE WORLD, HE WAS EXACTLY

02:29:25.758 --> 02:29:26.173
RIGHT.

02:29:26.174 --> 02:29:27.598
OTHER COUNTRIES USE VIOLENCE TO

02:29:27.609 --> 02:29:29.223
SEIZE AND HOLD POWER.

02:29:29.234 --> 02:29:31.996
BUT NOT IN THE UNITED STATES.

02:29:32.030 --> 02:29:32.925
NOT IN AMERICA.

02:29:32.926 --> 02:29:34.787
WHEN DONALD TRUMP USED THE POWER

02:29:34.798 --> 02:29:37.175
OF THE PRESIDENCY TO TRY TO STAY

02:29:37.177 --> 02:29:38.635
IN OFFICE AFTER LOSING THE

02:29:38.646 --> 02:29:41.648
ELECTION TO JOE BIDEN, HE BROKE

02:29:41.659 --> 02:29:42.848
THAT SACRED AND CENTURIES-OLD

02:29:42.882 --> 02:29:43.387
COVENANT.

02:29:43.388 --> 02:29:45.487
WHETHER HIS ACTIONS WERE

02:29:45.489 --> 02:29:46.924
CRIMINAL WILL ULTIMATELY BE FOR

02:29:46.935 --> 02:29:48.166
OTHERS TO DECIDE.

02:29:48.200 --> 02:29:52.172
BUT WHAT HE DID WAS WITHOUT A

02:29:52.173 --> 02:29:54.004
DOUBT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

02:29:54.015 --> 02:29:57.184
IT WAS UNPATRIOTIC AND IT WAS

02:29:57.217 --> 02:29:57.993
FUNDAMENTALLY UNAMERICAN.

02:29:58.004 --> 02:30:00.164
AND WHEN HE USED THE POWER OF

02:30:00.175 --> 02:30:02.324
HIS PRESIDENCY TO PUT THE

02:30:02.358 --> 02:30:04.265
ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON STATE,

02:30:04.266 --> 02:30:06.012
LOCAL ELECTIONS OFFICIALS AND

02:30:06.023 --> 02:30:08.904
HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT, IT

02:30:08.905 --> 02:30:11.472
BECAME DOWN RIGHT DANGEROUS.

02:30:11.483 --> 02:30:13.521
ON JANUARY 6, THAT PRESSURE

02:30:13.554 --> 02:30:14.392
BECAME DEADLY.

02:30:14.403 --> 02:30:16.456
RUBY FREEMAN SAID THE PRESIDENT

02:30:16.467 --> 02:30:18.205
IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT EVERY

02:30:18.238 --> 02:30:20.102
AMERICAN, NOT TARGET THEM.

02:30:20.103 --> 02:30:21.922
AND SHE IS RIGHT.

02:30:21.933 --> 02:30:23.648
IF THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN

02:30:23.681 --> 02:30:26.022
THE WORLD CAN BRING THE FULL

02:30:26.033 --> 02:30:27.568
WEIGHT OF THE PRESIDENCY DOWN ON

02:30:27.603 --> 02:30:29.873
AN ORDINARY CITIZEN WHO IS

02:30:29.884 --> 02:30:32.494
MERELY DOING HER JOB WITH A LIE

02:30:32.505 --> 02:30:35.353
AS BIG AND HEAVY AS A MOUNTAIN,

02:30:35.364 --> 02:30:37.570
WHO AMONG US IS SAFE?

02:30:37.604 --> 02:30:41.778
NONE OF US IS.

02:30:41.789 --> 02:30:43.180
NONE OF US.

02:30:43.191 --> 02:30:44.938
CITY COUNCILS AND TOWN COUNCILS,

02:30:44.949 --> 02:30:46.957
ON SCHOOL BOARDS AND ELECTION

02:30:46.991 --> 02:30:48.915
BOARDS, FROM THE CONGRESS TO THE

02:30:48.917 --> 02:30:50.270
COURTS, DEDICATED PUBLIC

02:30:50.271 --> 02:30:53.054
SERVANTS ARE LEAVING THEIR POSTS

02:30:53.056 --> 02:30:55.492
BECAUSE OF DEATH THREATS.

02:30:55.503 --> 02:30:58.929
TO THEM, AND TO THEIR FAMILIES,

02:30:58.963 --> 02:31:03.205
THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE.

02:31:03.206 --> 02:31:06.142
IT MUST NOT BECOME WHO WE ARE.

02:31:06.143 --> 02:31:07.141
OUR DEMOCRACY HELD BECAUSE

02:31:07.152 --> 02:31:08.724
COURAGEOUS PEOPLE LIKE THOSE YOU

02:31:08.735 --> 02:31:11.444
HEARD FROM TODAY PUT THEIR OATH

02:31:11.455 --> 02:31:13.965
TO THE CONSTITUTION ABOVE THEIR

02:31:13.967 --> 02:31:16.344
LOYALTY TO ONE MAN OR TO ONE

02:31:16.355 --> 02:31:16.803
PARTY.

02:31:16.814 --> 02:31:19.802
THE SYSTEM HELD BUT BARELY.

02:31:19.836 --> 02:31:22.574
AND THE QUESTION REMAINS WILL IT

02:31:22.575 --> 02:31:23.388
HOLD AGAIN.

02:31:23.399 --> 02:31:25.315
IF WE ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE

02:31:25.326 --> 02:31:26.497
ANYTHING DURING THESE HEARINGS,

02:31:26.531 --> 02:31:28.287
I HOPE IT IS THIS -- WE HAVE

02:31:28.289 --> 02:31:30.922
BEEN BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE TO

02:31:30.924 --> 02:31:32.454
LIVE IN THE WORLD’S GREATEST

02:31:32.455 --> 02:31:32.795
DEMOCRACY.

02:31:32.806 --> 02:31:35.523
THAT IS A LEGACY TO BE PROUD OF

02:31:35.534 --> 02:31:36.309
AND TO CHERISH.

02:31:36.311 --> 02:31:39.563
BUT IT IS NOT ONE TO BE TAKEN

02:31:39.574 --> 02:31:40.284
FOR GRANTED.

02:31:40.285 --> 02:31:42.284
THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN A

02:31:42.319 --> 02:31:43.819
DEMOCRACY FOR MORE THAN 200

02:31:43.820 --> 02:31:49.023
YEARS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE

02:31:49.025 --> 02:31:53.590
SHALL DO SO TOMORROW.

02:31:53.601 --> 02:31:57.340
WE MUST REJECT VIOLENCE, WE MUST

02:31:57.351 --> 02:31:58.756
EMBRACE THE KONS TULSCONSTITUTIO

02:31:58.790 --> 02:32:00.010
THE REV ADVANCE IT DESERVES,

02:32:00.021 --> 02:32:01.236
TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE

02:32:01.247 --> 02:32:02.546
SERIOUSLY, INFORMED BY THE

02:32:02.557 --> 02:32:04.113
KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG AND

02:32:04.124 --> 02:32:05.548
ARMED WITH NO MORE THAN THE

02:32:05.559 --> 02:32:08.490
POWER OF OUR IDEAS AND THE

02:32:08.524 --> 02:32:10.182
TRUTH, CARRY ON THIS VENERABLE

02:32:10.183 --> 02:32:11.558
EXPERIMENT IN SELF GOVERNANCE.

02:32:11.560 --> 02:32:14.232
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:32:14.243 --> 02:32:16.208
AND I YIELD BACK.

02:32:16.219 --> 02:32:18.633
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE CHAIR

02:32:18.644 --> 02:32:20.308
RECOGNIZES THE GENTLE WOMAN FROM

02:32:20.319 --> 02:32:21.451
WYOMING, MS. CHENEY, FOR A

02:32:21.462 --> 02:32:22.474
CLOSING STATEMENT.

02:32:22.475 --> 02:32:24.214
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

02:32:24.215 --> 02:32:24.751
CHAIRMAN.

02:32:24.752 --> 02:32:26.638
LADY RUBY AND SHAYE, THANK YOU

02:32:26.649 --> 02:32:28.320
FOR YOUR COURAGE, THANK YOU FOR

02:32:28.331 --> 02:32:29.280
YOUR STRENGTH, THANK YOU FOR

02:32:29.314 --> 02:32:30.122
BEING HERE TODAY.

02:32:30.123 --> 02:32:31.586
IT MEANS SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE TO

02:32:31.588 --> 02:32:32.876
HEAR YOUR STORIES.

02:32:32.887 --> 02:32:35.645
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

02:32:35.656 --> 02:32:37.868
WE HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS TESTIMONY

02:32:37.902 --> 02:32:39.719
TODAY, WE’VE BEEN REMINDED THAT

02:32:39.730 --> 02:32:41.989
WE’RE A NATION OF LAWS.

02:32:42.023 --> 02:32:44.878
AND WE’VE BEEN REMINDED BY YOU

02:32:44.889 --> 02:32:46.207
AND BY SPEAKER BOWERS AND

02:32:46.218 --> 02:32:47.467
SECRETARY OF STATE

02:32:47.478 --> 02:32:49.451
RAFFENSPERGER, MR. STERLING THAT

02:32:49.462 --> 02:32:50.906
OUR INSTITUTIONS DON’T DEFEND

02:32:50.940 --> 02:32:51.735
THEMSELVES.

02:32:51.746 --> 02:32:53.101
INDIVIDUALS DO THAT.

02:32:53.135 --> 02:32:55.894
AND WE HAVE BEEN REMINDED THAT

02:32:55.905 --> 02:32:57.565
IT TAKES PUBLIC SERVANTS, IT

02:32:57.599 --> 02:32:59.996
TAKES PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE A

02:32:59.998 --> 02:33:01.423
COMMITMENT TO OUR SYSTEM TO

02:33:01.434 --> 02:33:02.350
DEFEND OUR SYSTEM.

02:33:02.383 --> 02:33:04.352
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN REMINDED WHAT

02:33:04.353 --> 02:33:07.398
IT MEANS TO TAKE AN OATH UNDER

02:33:07.399 --> 02:33:10.120
GOD TO THE CONSTITUTION, WHAT IT

02:33:10.131 --> 02:33:11.315
MEANS TO DEFEND THE

02:33:11.326 --> 02:33:11.863
CONSTITUTION.

02:33:11.896 --> 02:33:14.178
AND WE WERE REMINDED BY SPEAKER

02:33:14.189 --> 02:33:17.492
BOWERS THAT OUR CONSTITUTION IS

02:33:17.494 --> 02:33:18.984
INDEED A DIVINELY INSPIRED

02:33:18.995 --> 02:33:19.375
DOCUMENT.

02:33:19.386 --> 02:33:21.890
AND SO IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO

02:33:21.924 --> 02:33:23.881
SPEND TIME WITH YOU AND WITH OUR

02:33:23.892 --> 02:33:25.118
PREVIOUS WITNESSES HERE TODAY.

02:33:25.129 --> 02:33:27.615
TO DATE MORE THAN 30 WITNESSES

02:33:27.626 --> 02:33:29.054
CALLED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE

02:33:29.055 --> 02:33:31.120
HAVE NOT DONE WHAT YOU’VE DONE

02:33:31.131 --> 02:33:33.530
BUT HAVE INVOKED THEIR FIFTH

02:33:33.541 --> 02:33:34.618
AMENDMENT RIGHTS AGAINST

02:33:34.652 --> 02:33:35.274
SELF-INCRIMINATION.

02:33:35.275 --> 02:33:38.270
ROGER STONE TOOK THE FIFTH.

02:33:38.272 --> 02:33:39.905
GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN TOOK THE

02:33:39.907 --> 02:33:40.143
FIFTH.

02:33:40.154 --> 02:33:41.756
JOHN EASTMAN TOOK THE FIFTH.

02:33:41.767 --> 02:33:44.317
OTHERS LIKE STEVE BANNON AND

02:33:44.328 --> 02:33:45.804
PETER NAVARRO SIMPLY REFUSED TO

02:33:45.838 --> 02:33:47.570
COMPLY WITH LAWFUL SUBPOENAS AND

02:33:47.581 --> 02:33:49.437
THEY HAVE BEEN INDICTED.

02:33:49.448 --> 02:33:51.925
MARK MEADOWS HAS HIDDEN BEHIND

02:33:51.958 --> 02:33:53.552
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CLAIMS OF

02:33:53.554 --> 02:33:55.676
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE AND IMMUNITY

02:33:55.687 --> 02:33:56.739
FROM SUBPOENAS.

02:33:56.772 --> 02:33:59.570
WE’RE ENGAGED NOW IN LITIGATION

02:33:59.581 --> 02:34:00.722
WITH MR. MEADOWS.

02:34:00.733 --> 02:34:03.462
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN OUR

02:34:03.497 --> 02:34:05.605
HEARINGS HAVE HEARD FROM BILL

02:34:05.616 --> 02:34:06.866
BARR, JEFF ROSEN, RICHARD

02:34:06.877 --> 02:34:08.272
DONAHUE AND MANY OTHERS WHO

02:34:08.283 --> 02:34:10.774
STOOD UP AND DID WHAT IS RIGHT

02:34:10.785 --> 02:34:12.404
AND THEY WILL HEAR MORE OF THAT

02:34:12.438 --> 02:34:13.094
TESTIMONY SOON.

02:34:13.105 --> 02:34:15.165
BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NOT

02:34:15.176 --> 02:34:17.575
YET HEARD FROM MR. TRUMP’S

02:34:17.609 --> 02:34:19.033
FORMER WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL PAT

02:34:19.034 --> 02:34:19.759
CIPOLLONE.

02:34:19.770 --> 02:34:21.901
OUR COMMITTEE IS CERTAIN THAT

02:34:21.902 --> 02:34:24.586
DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT WANT MR.

02:34:24.587 --> 02:34:26.031
CIPOLLONE TO TESTIFY HERE.

02:34:26.042 --> 02:34:28.159
INDEED OUR EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT

02:34:28.160 --> 02:34:30.834
MR. CIPOLLONE AND HIS OFFICE

02:34:30.845 --> 02:34:33.023
TRIED TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT, THEY

02:34:33.057 --> 02:34:35.148
TRIED TO STOP A NUMBER OF

02:34:35.159 --> 02:34:36.483
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PLANS FOR

02:34:36.494 --> 02:34:37.413
JANUARY 6.

02:34:37.446 --> 02:34:39.053
TODAY AND IN OUR COMING

02:34:39.054 --> 02:34:40.762
HEARINGS, YOU WILL HEAR

02:34:40.764 --> 02:34:43.023
TESTIMONY FROM OTHER TRUMP WHITE

02:34:43.034 --> 02:34:45.992
HOUSE STAFF EXPLAINING WHAT MR.

02:34:46.025 --> 02:34:47.640
CIPOLLONE SAID AND DID INCLUDING

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ON JANUARY 6.

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BUT WE THINK THAT THE AMERICAN

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PEOPLE DESERVE TO HEAR FROM MR.

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CIPOLLONE PERSONALLY.

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HE SHOULD APPEAR BEFORE THIS

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COMMITTEE AND WE ARE WORKING TO

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SECURE HIS TESTIMONY.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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I YIELD BACK.

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>> PEOPLE ANSWER THE CALL TO

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PUBLIC SERVICE IN SUCH DIFFERENT

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WAYS.

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SOME RUN FOR OFFICE.

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SOME VOLUNTEER TO MAKE SURE THAT

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NEIGHBORS CAN GET TO THEIR

02:35:19.252 --> 02:35:20.222
VOTING LOCATIONS.

02:35:20.233 --> 02:35:22.803
SOME WORK AT POLLING SITES TO

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HELP ELECTION DAY GO SMOOTHLY.

02:35:24.641 --> 02:35:26.752
SOME LOOK INTO PROBLEMS TO

02:35:26.763 --> 02:35:28.722
GUARANTEE OUR ELECTIONS ARE

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SECURE AND ACCURATE, JUST TO

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NAME A FEW.

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AS I MENTIONED AT THE START OF

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THIS HEARING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

02:35:36.801 --> 02:35:38.816
OUR DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS, WE

02:35:38.849 --> 02:35:40.403
ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE

02:35:40.414 --> 02:35:44.046
INDIVIDUALS AND MANY OTHERS WHO

02:35:44.047 --> 02:35:46.173
DO THESE JOBS ACROSS THE

02:35:46.184 --> 02:35:46.644
COUNTRY.

02:35:46.646 --> 02:35:48.493
THEY REPRESENT THE BACKBONE OF

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OUR DEMOCRACY IN ITS MOST

02:35:50.432 --> 02:35:52.117
IMPORTANT MOMENTS WHEN THE

02:35:52.151 --> 02:35:54.498
CITIZENS CAST THEIR VOTES AND

02:35:54.499 --> 02:35:57.359
WHEN THOSE VOTES ARE COUNTED.

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WE’VE HEARD THE STORIES OF THEIR

02:35:59.253 --> 02:35:59.945
COURAGE.

02:35:59.956 --> 02:36:03.410
THEY HAVE EARNED THE THANKS OF A

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GRATEFUL NATION.

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BUT FOR DONALD TRUMP, THESE

02:36:07.630 --> 02:36:10.365
WITNESSES AND OTHERS LIKE THEM

02:36:10.376 --> 02:36:12.763
WHERE ANOTHER ROAD BLOCK TO HIS

02:36:12.797 --> 02:36:14.406
ATTEMPT TO CLING TO POWER.

02:36:14.417 --> 02:36:17.456
ON THURSDAY, WE’LL HEAR ABOUT

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ANOTHER PART OF THAT SCHEME, HIS

02:36:20.502 --> 02:36:22.514
ATTEMPT TO CORRUPT THE COUNTRY’S

02:36:22.525 --> 02:36:25.381
TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT BODY, THE

02:36:25.392 --> 02:36:27.503
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, TO SUPPORT

02:36:27.514 --> 02:36:29.053
HIS ATTEMPT TO OVERTURN THE

02:36:29.087 --> 02:36:29.817
ELECTION.

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JUST AS WE HEARD TODAY THAT

02:36:32.331 --> 02:36:34.736
DONALD TRUMP WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED

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IN THE SCHEME TO PRESSURE STATE

02:36:37.330 --> 02:36:39.549
OFFICIALS TO OVERTURN THE

02:36:39.560 --> 02:36:42.327
ELECTION RESULTS, WE’RE HEAR --

02:36:42.361 --> 02:36:44.899
WE WILL HEAR ON THURSDAY THAT

02:36:44.900 --> 02:36:47.017
DONALD TRUMP WAS ALSO THE

02:36:47.028 --> 02:36:49.648
DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE EFFORT

02:36:49.681 --> 02:36:50.967
TO CORRUPT THE JUSTICE

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DEPARTMENT.

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LISTEN TO THIS CLIP FROM THE

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FORMER ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL

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RICHARD DONAHUE.

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>> THE PRESIDENT SAID SUPPOSE I

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DO THIS, SUPPOSE I REPLACE HIM,

02:37:05.618 --> 02:37:06.642
JEFF ROSEN, WITH HIM, JEFF

02:37:06.643 --> 02:37:07.010
CLARK.

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WHAT DO YOU DO?

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AND I SAID, SIR, I WOULD RESIGN

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IMMEDIATELY.

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THERE IS NO WAY I’M SERVING ONE

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MINUTE UNDER THIS GUY, JEFF

02:37:18.224 --> 02:37:18.832
CLARK.

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>> YOU WILL HEAR FROM MR.

02:37:22.464 --> 02:37:25.004
DONAHUE IN PERSON ON THURSDAY AS

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MY COLLEAGUE MR. KINZINGER

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PRESENTS DETAILS ABOUT THIS

02:37:29.377 --> 02:37:29.748
PLAN.

02:37:29.759 --> 02:37:32.558
THE CHAIR REQUESTS THOSE IN THE

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HEARING ROOM REMAIN SEATED UNTIL

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THE CAPITOL POLICE HAVE ESCORTED