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I GUESS WE’RE GOING TO GO IN.

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>> THE UNITED STATES CAPITAL

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WILL BE IN ORDER.

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WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE CHAIR IS

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AUTHORIZED TO DECLARE THE

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COMMITTEE IN RECESS AT ANY

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POINT.

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PURRSUANT TO HOUSE REGULATION 10

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THE CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE

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COMMITTEE’S APPROVAL TO RELEASE

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THE MATERIAL PRESENTED DURING

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THIS HEARING.

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

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IN OUR HEARINGS OVER THE

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PREVIOUS WEEKS, A SELECT

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COMMITTEE LAID OUT THE DETAILS

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OF A MULTIPART PRESSURE CAMPAIGN

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DRIVEN BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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AIMED AT OVERTURNING THE RESULTS

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OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL

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ELECTION AND BLOCKING THE

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TRANSFER OF POWER.

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THIS WAS BASED ON A LIE.

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A LIE THAT THE ELECTION WAS

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STOLEN.

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IN THE WEEKS AHEAD, THE
COMMITTEE WILL HOLD ADDITIONAL

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COMMITTEE WILL HOLD ADDITIONAL

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HEARINGS ABOUT HOW TRUMP

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SUMMONED A MOM, ANDB, AND FAILED

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TAKE ACTION TO QUELL THE

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VIOLENCE AS IT WAS UNFOLDING.

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HOWEVER IN RECENT DAYS THE

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SELECT COMMITTEE OBTAINED NEW

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INFORMATION DEALING WITH WHAT

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WAS GOING ON IN THE WHITE HOUSE

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ON JANUARY 6th AND ON THE DAYS

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PRIOR.

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SPECIFIC DETAILS AND INFORMATION

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ABOUT WHAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT

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AND HIS TOP AIDS WERE DOING AND

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SAYING IN THE CRITICAL HOURS.

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FIRSTHAND DETAILS OF WHAT

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TRANSPIRED IN THE OFFICE OF THE

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WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF JUST

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STEPPING FROM THE OVAL OFFICE AS

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THE THREATS OF VIOLENCE BECAME

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CLEAR AND VIOLENCE DESCENDED ON

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THE CAPITAL IN THE ATTACK ON

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AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

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IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE HEAR THAT

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IMMEDIATELY.

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THAT’S WHY IN CONSULTATION WITH

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THE VICE CHAIR I RECALLED THE

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COMMITTEE FOR TODAY’S HEARING.

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AS YOU HAVE SEEN AND HEARD, THE

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SELECT COMMITTEE DEVELOPED A

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MASSIVE BODY OF EVIDENCE THANKS

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TO THE MANY HUNDREDS OF

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WITNESSES THAT VOLUNTARILY

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PROVIDED INFORMATION REAL ANT TO

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OUR INVESTIGATION.

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IT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN EASY TO

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GET THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THE

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SAME PEOPLE WHO DROVE THE FORMER

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PRESIDENT’S PRESSURE CAMPAIGN TO

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OVERTURN THE ELECTION ARE NOW

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TRYING TO COVER UP THE TRUTH

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ABOUT JANUARY 6th.

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THANKS TO THE COURAGE OF CERTAIN

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INDIVIDUALS, THE TRUTH WON’T BE

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BURIED.

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THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WON’T BE
LEFT IN THE DARK.

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LEFT IN THE DARK.

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OUR WITNESS TODAY, MS. CASSIDY

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HUTCHINSON HAS EMBODYIED THAT

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COURAGE.

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HER TESTIMONY WILL SHOW, I WILL

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ALLOW HER WORDS TO SPEAK FOR

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THEMSELVES AND I HOPE THAT

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EVERYONE AT HOME WILL LISTEN

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VERY CLOSELY.

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FIRST I RECOGNIZE OUR

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DISTINGUISHED VICE CHAIR FOR ANY

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STATEMENTS SHE CARES TO OFFER.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHARGE.

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IN THE FIRST FIVE HEARINGS THE

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COMMITTEE HEARD FROM A

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SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF

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REPUBLICANS INCLUDING FORMER

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TRUMP ADMINISTRATION JUSTICE

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DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS, SEVERAL

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MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

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WHITE HOUSE STAFF, A PROGRAM

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NANT JUDGE, AND SEVERAL OTHERS.

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TODAY’S WITNESS IS ANOTHER

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REPUBLICAN AN ANOTHER FORMER

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MEMBER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S

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WHITE HOUSE STAFF.

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CERTAIN OF US IN THE HOUSE OF

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REPRESENTATIVES, SHE ONCE WORKED

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FOR STEVE SCALISE, SHE ALSO HELD

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A PROMINENT ROLE IN THE WHITE

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HOUSE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS OFFICE

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AND LATER WAS THE PRINCIPAL AIDE

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TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CHIEF OF

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STAPH, MARK MEADOWS.

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SHE SPENT TIME UP HERE ON

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CAPITOL HILL WELCOMEREPRESENTING

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TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND WE
WELCOME HER BACK.

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WELCOME HER BACK.
WE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZED TO

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WE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZED TO

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ADDRESS SPECIFIC ALMOSTELEMENTS

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PLAN WELCOME

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[ APPLAUSE ].

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WE HAVE SEVERAL CROSS CUTTING

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TOPICS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO EACH

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OF OUR FUTURE EARLHEARINGS.

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SHE HANDLED A

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SENSITIVE ISSUES.

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SHE SPOKE DAILY WITH MEMBERS OF

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CONGRESS, HIGH RANKING

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OFFICIALS, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE

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STAFF INCLUDING MR. MEADOWS,

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WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL LAWYERS AND

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WITH MR. TONY ORNADO.

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SHE ALSO WORKED ON A DAILY

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BASIS.

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SHE INFORMS A POSITION TO KNOW A

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GREAT DEAL.

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SHE HAS ALREADY SAT FOR FOUR

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VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEWS WITH

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INVESTIGATORS AND WE THANK FOR

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HER FOR HER COOPERATION AND

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COURAGE.

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WE WILL COVER TOPICS IN MS.

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HUTCHINSON’S KNOWLEDGE TODAY.

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WE WILL PUT THE TESTIMONY TODAY

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IN A BROADER AND MORE COMPLETE

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CONTEXT.

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TODAY YOU WILL HEAR HER RELATE

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CERTAIN FIRST-HAND OBSERVATIONS

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OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CONDUCT ON

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JANUARY 6th.

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YOU WILL ALSO HEAR NEW

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INFORMATION REGARDING THE

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ACTIONS AND STATEMENTS OF MR.

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TRUMP’S SENIOR ADVISORS THAT DAY

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INCLUDING CHIEF OF STAFF MARK

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MEADOWS AND HIS WHITE HOUSE

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COUNCIL.

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AND WE WILL BEGIN TO EXAMINE

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EVIDENCE ON WHAT MEMBERS OF THE

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WHITE HOUSE KNEW ABOUT THE

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PROSPECT FOR VIOLENCE ON JANUARY

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6th.

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TO BEST COMMUNICATE THE

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INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE

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HAS GATHERED, WE WILL FOLLOW THE

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PRACTICE OF OUR RECENT HEARINGS

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PLAYING VIDEOTAPED TESTIMONY AND

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POSING QUESTIONS TO HER LIVE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK.

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MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK.

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>> THANK YOU, OUR WITNESS ISMS.

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CASSIE HUTCHINSON.

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SHE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF

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OF STAFF OFFICE FROM MARCH 2020

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TO JANUARY 2021.

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LY NOW SWEAR IN OUR WITNESS.

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THE WITNESS WILL PLEASE STAND

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AND RAISE HER RIGHT HAND.

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DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE

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PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT THE

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TESTIMONY YOU’RE ABOUT TO GIVE

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IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH,

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AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO

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HELP YOU GOD?

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>> YES.

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>> THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.

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LET THE RECORD REFLECT THE

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WITNESS ANSWERED IN THE

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AFFIRMATIVE.

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I NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR

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QUESTIONS.

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MS. HUTCHINSON, I WOULD LIKE TO

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START WITH A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT

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YOUR BACKGROUND.

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THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS WE

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OBTAINED HIGHLIGHTS YOUR CAREER.

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THESE SHOW YOU WITH MEMBERS OF

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CONGRESS INCLUDING STEVE SCALISE

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AND THE WHITE HOUSE WITH LEADER

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KEVIN McCARTHY AND JIM JORDAN.

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OTHERS SHOW YOU WITH THE

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PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF

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CONGRESS ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE.

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BEFORE YOU WORKED IN THE WHITE

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HOUSE, YOU WORKED ON CAPITOL

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HILL FOR REPRESENTATIVE STEVE

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SCALISE, THE REPUBLICAN WHIP,

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AND SENATOR TED CRUZ.

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AND THEN IN 2019 YOU MOVED TO

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THE WHITE HOUSE AND SERVED THERE

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UNTIL THE END OF THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION IN 2020.

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WHEN YOU STARTED AT THE WHITE

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HOUSE YOU SERVED IN THE OFFICE

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OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS.

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WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE

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INITIALLY HIRED AS A STAFF

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ASSISTANT, BUT WAS SOON PROMOTED

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TO A POSITION OF GREATER

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RESPONSIBILITY.

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CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR ROLE FOR

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THE COMMITTEE?

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>> WHEN I MOVED OVER TO THE

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WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF’S

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OFFICE WITH MR. MEADOWS, WHEN HE

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BECAME THE FOURTH CHIEF OF

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STAFF, IT’S DIFFICULT TO

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DESCRIBE A TYPICAL DAY.

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I WAS A SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE

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PRESIDENT AND ADVISOR TO THE

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CHIEF OF STAFF.

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THE DAYS DEPENDED ON WHAT THE

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PRESIDENT WAS DOING THAT DAY,

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AND THAT’S HOW MY PORTFOLIO WAS

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REFLECTED.

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I HAD A LOT OF OUTREACH WITH

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MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, SENIOR

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CABINET OFFICIALS.

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WE WERE WORKING ON POLICY ISSUES

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WITH RELEVANT INTERNAL

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COMPONENTS AND MEMBERS ON THE

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HILL AS WELL AS SQUURT PROECURIT

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PROTOCOL AT THE COMPLEX.

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>> AND YOU RECEIVED ANOTHER

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PROMOTION IN MARCH 2020.

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AT THAT TIME YOU BECAME THE

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PRINCIPAL AIDE TO THE NEW WHITE

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HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK

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MEADOWS, IS THAT RIGHT?

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>> THAT’S CORRECT, SIR.

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>> WHAT DID A TYPICAL DAY LOOK

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LIKE FOR YOU IN YOUR WORK WITH

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MR. MEADOWS.

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>> IT VARIED WITH WHAT WAS GOING

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ON.

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WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE

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HILL.

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I WAS INDEPENDENTLY THERE AS

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WELL, AS I WAS HIS LIAISON.

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WE DID A LOT OF PRESIDENTIAL

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TRAVEL ENGAGEMENTS, BUT MOSTLY I

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WAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHIEF

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OF STAFF NEEDED AND A LOT OF

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TIMES IT WAS A REFLECTION OF THE

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PRESIDENT’S SCHEDULE TELLING

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STEVE WHAT TO DO THAT DAY.

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>> IS IT FAIR TO SAY YOU SPOKE

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REGULARLY WITH MEMBERS OF

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CONGRESS AND SENIOR MEMBERS OF

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TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

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>> THAT’S CORRECT, THAT’S A FAIR

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ASSESSMENT, SIR.

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>> WOULD YOU SAY IN YOUR WORK

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WITH MR. MEADOWS YOU WERE

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TYPICALLY IN CONTACT WITH HIM

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AND OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE DAY?

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>> THAT’S CORRECT.

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MR. MEADOWS AND I WERE IN

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CONTACT, PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT

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EVERY DAY CONSISTENTLY.

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>> SO MUCH OF GRAVE IMPORTANCE

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HAPPENS IN THE WEST WINGD OF THE

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WHITE HOUSE, IT’S A SMALL

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BHILDING.

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ABOVE ME ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN

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SEE A MAP OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF

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THE WEST WING OF THE WHITE

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HOUSE.

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ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE

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PRESIDENT’S OVAL OFFICE.

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ON THE LEFT THE CHIEF OF STAFF’S

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OFFICE SUITE.

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WITHIN THE CHIEF OF STAFF’S

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OFFICE SUITE IS THE HEART OF THE

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WEST WING AND YOUR DESK WHICH
WAS BETWEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT’S

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WAS BETWEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT’S
OFFICE, AND THE OVAL OFFICE.

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OFFICE, AND THE OVAL OFFICE.

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IS THIS AN ACCURATE DEPIX OFCTIO

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WHERE YOU SFWHR.

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>> YES, IT’S SMALLER THAN IT

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LOOKS.

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>> THIS SHOWS THE SHORT DISTANCE

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BETWEEN YOUR OFFICE AND THE

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PRESIDENT’S OVAL OFFICE.

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IT TAKES FIVE TO TEN SECONDS TO

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WALK DOWN THE HALL FROM YOUR

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OFFICE TO THE OVAL OFFICE, IS

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THAT RIGHT?

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>> THAT’S CORRECT.

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PURSUANT TO THE SECTION 5C 8,

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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE YOUNG

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WOMAN FROM WYOMING, MRS. CHENEY

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FOR QUESTIONS.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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>> WE WILL START WITH AN

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EXCHANGE

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EXCHANGE, ON JANUARY 2nd,

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PRESIDENT TRUMP’S LEAD LAWYER

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WAS MEETING WITH WHITE HOUSE

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CHIEF OF STAFF WITH MARK MEADOWS

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AND OTHERS.

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DO YOU REMEMBER MR. GIULIANI

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MEETING WITH MR. MEADOWS ON

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JANUARY 2nd, 2021.

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>> YES, THEY MET IN THE EVENING.

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>> AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU

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WALKED MR. JULIANGIULIANI OUT OF

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WHITE HOUSE THAT NIGHT AND HE

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TALKED TO YOU ABOUT JANUARY 6th.

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>> AS WE WERE WALKING TO

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VEHICLES THAT EVENINGS, HE SAID

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SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF CASS,

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ARE YOU EXCITED FOR THE 6th?

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IT’S GOING TO BE A GREAT DAY AND

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I REMEMBER SAYING RUDY, CAN YOU

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EXPLAIN WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THE

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6th?

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AND HE RESPONDED SOMETHING TO

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THE EFFECT OF WE’RE GOING TO THE

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CAPITOL, IT’S GOING TO BE GREAT,

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THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE

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THERE, HE WILL LOOK POWERFUL, HE

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WILL BE WITH THE MEMBERS AND THE

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SENATORS, TALK TO THE CHIEF

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ABOUT IT, HE KNOWS ABOUT IT.

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>> DID YOU GO BACK THEN, UP TO

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THE WEST WING AND TELL MR.

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MEADOWS ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION
WITH MR. GIULIANI?

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WITH MR. GIULIANI?

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>> I DID, AFTER MR. JOULEGIULIAN

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LEFT, I FOUND MR. MEADOWS ON HIS

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COUCH, HE WAS ON THE COUCH,

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CONTROLLING ON HIS PHONE, AND I

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SAID I HAD AN INTERESTING

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CONVERSATION WITH RUDY, HE SAID

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WE’RE GOING TO THE CAPITAL AND

13:46.956 --> 13:50.254
HE SAID THERE IS A LOT GOING ON,

13:50.265 --> 13:51.968
I DON’T KNOW, BUT THINGS MIGHT

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GET REAL BAD.

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>> MR. MEADOWS IS ENGAGED IN

13:56.984 --> 13:58.192
LITIGATION WITH THE COMMITTEE TO

13:58.203 --> 13:58.877
AVOIDING HERE.

13:58.888 --> 14:00.795
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN HE

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SAID TO YOU THINGS MIGHT GET

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REAL, REAL BAD?

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>> IN THE DAYS BEFORE JANUARY

14:06.772 --> 14:09.064
2nd, I WAS APPREHENSIVE ABOUT

14:09.066 --> 14:10.012
THE 6th.

14:10.023 --> 14:11.594
I HEARD GENERAL PLANS FOR A

14:11.596 --> 14:12.109
RALLY.

14:12.143 --> 14:17.197
I HEARD TENTATIVE MOVEMENTS TO
GO TO THE CAPITOL.

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GO TO THE CAPITOL.

14:20.493 --> 14:30.375
BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST EVENING

14:30.409 --> 14:35.373
THAT I FELT SCARED AND NERVOUS

14:35.384 --> 14:38.259
ON JANUARY 6th AND I HAD A

14:38.294 --> 14:40.089
DEEPER CONCERN FOR WHAT WAS

14:40.100 --> 14:41.464
HAPPENING WITH THE PLANNING

14:41.475 --> 14:42.449
ASPECTS OF IT.

14:42.484 --> 14:46.418
>> THANK YOU, TODAY WE’RE GOING

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TO BE FOCUSSING ON THE EVENTS OF

14:49.432 --> 14:51.112
JANUARY 5th AND 6th AT THE WHITE

14:51.113 --> 14:51.442
HOUSE.

14:51.443 --> 14:53.037
BUT TO BEGIN AND FRAME THE

14:53.038 --> 14:57.706
DISCUSSION I WANT TO TALK ABOUT

14:57.708 --> 15:01.122
A CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH

15:01.123 --> 15:02.652
MR. JOHN WRATHRATCLIFF.

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YOU HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN

15:04.343 --> 15:05.717
DECEMBER OF 2020.

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HE WAS NOMINATED BY PRESIDENT

15:09.627 --> 15:11.488
TRUMP TO OVERSEE U.S.

15:11.489 --> 15:13.199
INTELLIGENCE, U.S. INTELLIGENCE

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COMMUNITY, AND BEFORE HIS

15:14.860 --> 15:16.207
APPOINTMENT, HE WAS A REPUBLICAN

15:16.218 --> 15:17.350
MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

15:17.361 --> 15:21.226
AS YOU WILL SEE ON THIS CLIP,

15:21.260 --> 15:24.331
DIRECTOR RATCLIFF’S COMMENTS IN

15:24.342 --> 15:28.495
DECEMBER OF 2020 WERE PRESHIENT.

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>> MY UNDERSTANDING ST THAT

15:31.338 --> 15:33.693
DIRECTOR RATCLIFF DIDN’T WANT

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MUCH TO DO WITH THE POST

15:37.913 --> 15:40.118
ELECTION PERIOD.

15:40.129 --> 15:45.315
HE FELT THAT IT WASN’T SOMETHING

15:45.326 --> 15:48.062
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SHOULD BE

15:48.096 --> 15:48.472
PURSUING.

15:48.473 --> 15:52.020
HE FELT IT WAS DANGEROUS FOR THE

15:52.021 --> 15:53.361
PRESIDENT’S LEGACY.

15:53.372 --> 15:57.515
HE HAD EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT IT

15:57.526 --> 16:01.595
COULD SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL AND

16:01.606 --> 16:04.180
POTENTIAL I WILL BE DANGEROUS.

16:04.191 --> 16:06.927
EITHER IN OUR DEMOCRACY OR FOR

16:06.938 --> 16:09.066
THE WAY THAT THINGS WERE GOING

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ON THE 6th.

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>> WHEN YOU SAY IT, WAS HE IN?

16:18.670 --> 16:26.335
>> TRYING TO FIGHT THE RESULTS

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OF THE ELECTION.

16:29.419 --> 16:33.266
FINDING MISING BALLOTSSING BALLO

16:33.267 --> 16:35.914
PRESSURING -- FILING LAWSUITS IN

16:35.916 --> 16:37.922
CERTAIN STATE WHERE’S THERE DID

16:37.933 --> 16:40.219
NOT SEEM TO BE SIGNIFICANT

16:40.230 --> 16:41.825
EVIDENCE AND REACHING OUT TO

16:41.836 --> 16:42.917
LEGISLATURES ABOUT -- THAT’S

16:42.928 --> 16:44.697
PRETTY MUCH THE WAY THE WHITE

16:44.708 --> 16:46.232
HOUSE IS HANDLING THE POST

16:46.243 --> 16:47.095
ELECTION PERIOD.

16:47.106 --> 16:50.106
THEY FELT THERE COULD BE

16:50.117 --> 16:52.613
DANGEROUS REPERCUSSIONS IN TERMS

16:52.624 --> 16:55.187
OF PRECEDENTS SET FOR ELECTIONS,

16:55.221 --> 16:59.133
FOR OUR DEMOCRACY, FOR THE 6th.

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THEY WERE HOPING WE WOULD

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CONCEDE.

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>> NOW WE’RE GOING TO TURN TO

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CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT WAS

17:06.000 --> 17:09.083
AVAILABLE BEFORE JANUARY 4th.

17:09.094 --> 17:10.614
AND WHAT THE TRUMP

17:10.648 --> 17:11.536
ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT

17:11.547 --> 17:13.210
KNEW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR

17:13.211 --> 17:14.740
VIOLENCE BEFORE JANUARY 6th.

17:14.741 --> 17:19.576
ON THE SCREEN YOU WILL SEE AN

17:19.587 --> 17:21.313
E-MAIL RECEIVED BY ACTING DEPUTY

17:21.324 --> 17:23.179
ATTORNEY GENERAL DONAHUE ON

17:23.190 --> 17:25.203
JANUARY 4th FROM THE NATIONAL

17:25.214 --> 17:26.447
SECURITY DIVISION OF THE

17:26.458 --> 17:28.285
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

17:28.296 --> 17:29.877
HE TESTIFIED IN OUR HEARINGS

17:29.910 --> 17:31.075
LAST WEEK.

17:31.086 --> 17:33.001
THE E-MAIL IDENTIFIES APPARENT

17:33.034 --> 17:35.064
PLANNING BY THOSE COMING TO

17:35.075 --> 17:37.005
WASHINGTON ON JAN 6th TO OCCUPY

17:37.016 --> 17:39.888
FEDERAL BUILDINGS AND

17:39.890 --> 17:42.265
DISCUSSIONS OF "INVADING THE

17:42.276 --> 17:43.524
CAPITOL BUILDING."

17:43.557 --> 17:45.835
HERE IS WHAT MR. DONAHUE SAID TO

17:45.846 --> 17:46.282
US.

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>> WE KNEW IF YOU HAVE TENS OF

17:49.036 --> 17:50.263
THOUSANDS OF OBSESSIVE PEOPLE

17:50.274 --> 17:52.804
SHOWING UP IN WASHINGTON DC

17:52.805 --> 17:54.168
THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR

17:54.179 --> 17:54.720
VIOLENCE.

17:54.731 --> 17:56.613
>> THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE WAS

17:56.624 --> 17:59.801
LOOKING AT SIMILAR INFORMATION

17:59.836 --> 18:01.801
AND WATCHING THE PLANNED

18:01.812 --> 18:02.729
DEMONSTRATIONS.

18:02.740 --> 18:04.948
IN FACT, THEIR INTELLIGENCE

18:04.982 --> 18:10.973
DIVISION SENT SEVERAL E-MAILS TO

18:10.974 --> 18:13.562
WHITE HOUSE PERSONNEL, INCLUDING

18:13.573 --> 18:16.210
CERTAIN MATERIALS LISTING EVENTS

18:16.221 --> 18:18.336
LIKE THOSE ON THE SCREEN.

18:18.347 --> 18:20.860
THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUED TO

18:20.871 --> 18:22.627
RECEIVE UPDATES ABOUT PLANNED

18:22.638 --> 18:24.043
DEMONSTRATIONS INCLUDING

18:24.077 --> 18:26.717
INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROUD

18:26.728 --> 18:33.094
BOYS ORGANIZING AND PLANNING TO

18:33.105 --> 18:37.511
ATTEND EVENTS ON JANUARY 26th.

18:37.522 --> 18:40.435
ALTHOUGH MS. HUTCHINSON DID NOT

18:40.446 --> 18:43.332
HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE

18:43.366 --> 18:45.120
PLANNING ON JANUARY 6th, SHE

18:45.131 --> 18:48.536
HEARD DID SAY THIS.

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>> I HEARD THE WORDS OATHKEEPER

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AND PROUD BOYS CLOSER TO THE

18:56.011 --> 18:59.392
PLANNING OF THE RALLY WHEN RUDY

18:59.403 --> 19:01.144
WOULD BE AROUND.

19:01.178 --> 19:03.310
>> THE POLICE ISSUED A SPECIAL

19:03.311 --> 19:05.603
ASSESSMENT AND THE CAPITOL

19:05.605 --> 19:07.796
POLICE NOTED THAT THE PROUD BOYS

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AND OTHER GROUPS PLANNED TO BE

19:10.240 --> 19:12.432
IN WASHINGTON DC ON JANUARY 6th.

19:12.466 --> 19:14.055
AND UNLIKE PREVIOUS POST

19:14.066 --> 19:16.466
ELECTION PROTESTS, THE TARGETS

19:16.501 --> 19:18.812
OF THE PRO-TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE

19:18.813 --> 19:20.340
NOT NECESSARILY THE COUNTER

19:20.341 --> 19:22.505
PROTESTORS AS THEY WERE
PREVIOUSLY, BUT RATHER CONGRESS

19:22.507 --> 19:24.540
PREVIOUSLY, BUT RATHER CONGRESS

19:24.541 --> 19:31.649
ITSELF IS THE TARGET ON THE 6th.

19:31.660 --> 19:36.173
OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW NOW THAT

19:36.184 --> 19:40.651
THE PROW BOYS SHOWED UP ON

19:40.662 --> 19:45.497
JANUARY 6th, MARCHED, AND LED

19:45.508 --> 19:49.452
THE MOB TO INVADE AND OCCUPY OUR

19:49.486 --> 19:49.885
CAPITAL

19:49.896 --> 19:50.444
CAPITOL.

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I WANT TO PLAY YOU A CLIP, WHEN

19:53.820 --> 19:56.175
YOU DESCRIBED A CALL, THAT YOU

19:56.186 --> 19:58.838
RECEIVED FROM NATIONAL SECURITY

19:58.849 --> 20:01.093
ADVISOR ROBERT O BRIAN ABOUT THE

20:01.104 --> 20:04.407
POTENTIAL VIOLENCE.

20:04.418 --> 20:08.677
>> I RECEIVED A DPRAULCALL FROM

20:08.688 --> 20:13.057
O’BRIEN AND HE WANT TODAY SPEAK

20:13.068 --> 20:15.218
WITH MR. MEADOWS ABOUT THE

20:15.219 --> 20:16.912
VIOLENCE HE WAS HEARING WOULD

20:16.946 --> 20:18.212
HAPPEN ON THE HILL ON JANUARY

20:18.223 --> 20:19.207
6th.

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I ASKED IF HE CONNECTED WITH

20:23.931 --> 20:26.288
TONY ORNADO, BECAUSE HE HAD HAD

20:26.289 --> 20:28.132
A CONVERSATION WITH MARK ABOUT

20:28.143 --> 20:30.844
THAT TOPIC AND HE SAID I’LL TALK

20:30.855 --> 20:34.017
TO TONY AND THEN, I DON’T KNOW

20:34.051 --> 20:36.014
IF ROBERT EVER CONNECTED WITH

20:36.025 --> 20:39.328
MARK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

20:39.330 --> 20:42.553
>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US MR.

20:42.564 --> 20:43.881
ARNADO’S RESPONSIBILITIES AS THE

20:43.892 --> 20:45.606
DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF?

20:45.640 --> 20:48.030
>> THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAPH

20:48.032 --> 20:50.228
POSITION IS ARGUABLY ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS THAT

20:50.229 --> 20:52.320
MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS THAT

20:52.331 --> 20:55.473
SOMEONE CAN HOLD.

20:55.484 --> 21:00.115
THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF ALL

21:00.126 --> 21:01.971
SECURITY PROTOCOL FOR THE

21:01.982 --> 21:03.573
CAMPUS, THE FIRST FAMILY, AND

21:03.606 --> 21:07.005
ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES SECURITY

21:07.016 --> 21:09.505
FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS

21:09.516 --> 21:12.774
PRESIDENTIAL PROTECTION.
SO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, THE

21:12.785 --> 21:14.995
SO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, THE

21:15.029 --> 21:18.702
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, TO TO

21:18.713 --> 21:22.999
WOULD OVERSEE ALL OF THAT AND HE

21:23.032 --> 21:25.355
WAS THE CONDUIT BETWEEN THE

21:25.366 --> 21:26.719
WHITE HOUSE AND THE SECRET

21:26.730 --> 21:27.287
SERVICE.

21:27.298 --> 21:29.400
>> YOU DESCRIBED A BRIEF MEETING

21:29.434 --> 21:30.412
ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR

21:30.414 --> 21:30.992
VIOLENCE.

21:31.003 --> 21:33.159
THE MEETING WAS ON JANUARY 4th,

21:33.170 --> 21:34.614
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

21:34.625 --> 21:35.811
POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE ON

21:35.845 --> 21:36.658
JANUARY 6th.

21:36.669 --> 21:39.322
LET’S LISTEN TO A CLIP OF THAT

21:39.355 --> 21:40.819
TESTIMONY.

21:40.821 --> 21:44.631
>> REMEMBER MR. ORNADO TALKED

21:44.642 --> 21:49.120
AND GOTTEN ENERGY REPORTS, I

21:49.131 --> 21:52.539
REMEMBER HIM SAYING HE HAD INTEL

21:52.573 --> 21:54.802
REPORTS OF POTENTIAL VIOLENCE ON

21:54.813 --> 21:57.330
THE SIXTH.

21:57.341 --> 22:01.834
>> YOU SPOKE ABOUT REPORKS OF
VIOLENCE THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON

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VIOLENCE THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON

22:05.311 --> 22:12.187
THE 5th AND 6th.

22:12.198 --> 22:14.010
>> CORRECT.

22:14.011 --> 22:17.518
>> ARE THOSE SOME OF THE REPORT

22:17.529 --> 22:20.306
THAT’S YOU RECALL HEARING ABOUT?

22:20.317 --> 22:21.324
>> THEY ARE.

22:21.335 --> 22:24.314
>> OF COURSE THE WORLD NOW KNOWS

22:24.348 --> 22:26.701
THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED THE

22:26.712 --> 22:29.840
CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th HAD MANY

22:29.851 --> 22:31.654
DIFFERENT TYPES OF WEAPONS.

22:31.665 --> 22:33.632
WHEN A PRESIDENT SPEAKS, THE

22:33.643 --> 22:37.455
SECRET SERVICE REQUIRES THOSE

22:37.456 --> 22:40.006
ATTENDING TO PASS THROUGH METAL

22:40.017 --> 22:40.680
DETECTORS.

22:40.714 --> 22:43.234
THE SELECT COMMITTEE LEARNED

22:43.235 --> 22:45.253
THAT PEOPLE THAT ENTERED THE

22:45.264 --> 22:47.475
ENCLOSED AREA WERE SCREENED SO

22:47.509 --> 22:49.712
THEY COULD ATTEND THE RALLY.

22:49.723 --> 22:52.910
THEY HAD WEAPONS AND OTHER ITEM

22:52.921 --> 22:56.166
THAT’S WERE CONFISCATED, PEPPER

22:56.201 --> 22:59.047
SPRAY, KNIVES, BRASS KNUCKLES,

22:59.048 --> 23:02.002
BODY ARMOR, GAS MASKS, BATONS,

23:02.013 --> 23:06.005
BLUNT WEAPONS AND THOSE WERE

23:06.039 --> 23:08.539
JUST FROM THE PEOPLE THATDHOES G

23:08.550 --> 23:09.641
THROUGH SECURITY.

23:09.652 --> 23:11.789
NOT THE THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS OF

23:11.800 --> 23:13.522
THE CROWD THAT REFUSED TO GO

23:13.556 --> 23:15.440
THROUGH AND WATCHED FROM THE

23:15.451 --> 23:16.925
LAWN NEAR THE WASHINGTON

23:16.959 --> 23:17.566
MONUMENT.

23:17.577 --> 23:20.213
THE SELECT COMMITTEE LEARNED
ABOUT REPORTS FROM OUTSIDE OF

23:20.247 --> 23:22.186
ABOUT REPORTS FROM OUTSIDE OF

23:22.197 --> 23:27.061
THE MAGNITOMETERS AND HAS POLICE

23:27.072 --> 23:30.014
RADIO TRANSMISSIONS TALKING

23:30.025 --> 23:36.052
ABOUT PEOPLE WITH FIREARMS,

23:36.085 --> 23:39.139
INCLUDING AR-15s, NEAR THE

23:39.150 --> 23:40.917
ELIPSE.

23:40.951 --> 23:47.144
>> A INDIVIDUAL ENTERING, WHITE

23:47.155 --> 23:51.044
MALE, ABOUT SIX FOOT TALL, BLUE

23:51.055 --> 23:53.531
JEANS, BLUE JEAN JACKET, AND

23:53.542 --> 23:58.006
UNDER THE JACKET IS AN AR-15 AND

23:58.007 --> 24:00.784
A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, FIVE TO

24:00.795 --> 24:06.095
EIGHT OTHERS, TWO OF THE VIBLGS

24:06.106 --> 24:10.036
IN THAT GROUP WERE AREAING GREEN

24:10.070 --> 24:11.678
FATIGUES.

24:11.679 --> 24:17.812
WHITE MALES, BROWN COWBOY BOOTS,

24:17.823 --> 24:21.695
AND THEY HAVE GLOCK STYLE GUNS

24:21.706 --> 24:22.736
IN THEIR WAISTBANDS.

24:22.770 --> 24:24.909
>> THE MAN IN THE TREE HAS A

24:24.911 --> 24:26.146
WEAPON ON HIS HIP.

24:26.157 --> 24:28.825
>> MAKE SURE HE KNOWS THEY HAVE

24:28.836 --> 24:32.189
AN ELEVATED THREAT IN THE TREE

24:32.223 --> 24:33.968
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF

24:33.979 --> 24:34.476
CONSTITUTIONALITY.

24:34.477 --> 24:37.588
THE AMERICAN FLAG FACE MASK,

24:37.599 --> 24:39.174
COWBOY BOOTS, WEAPON ON THE

24:39.185 --> 24:43.053
RIGHT SIDE HIP.
>> I HAVE THREE MEN WALKING DOWN

24:43.064 --> 24:45.600
>> I HAVE THREE MEN WALKING DOWN

24:45.611 --> 24:49.856
THE STREETCAR RI CARRYING AR-15s

24:49.889 --> 24:50.950
INDEPENDENT.

24:50.961 --> 24:54.448
>> AR-15 AT 14th AND

24:54.459 --> 24:54.959
INDEPENDENCE.

24:54.993 --> 24:57.829
AS YOU SAW IN THOSE E-MAILS, THE

24:57.830 --> 24:59.957
FIRST REPORT THAT WE SHOWED WE

24:59.968 --> 25:02.028
NOW KNOW WAS SENT IN THE 8:00

25:02.061 --> 25:03.340
HOUR ON JANUARY 6th.

25:03.351 --> 25:06.668
THIS TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE

25:06.679 --> 25:10.554
CROWD WEARING BALLISTIC HELMETS

25:10.565 --> 25:14.080
AND BODY ARMOR CARRYING MILITARY

25:14.091 --> 25:15.844
GRADE BACKPACKS.

25:15.855 --> 25:20.442
THE SECOND WAS SENT BY THE

25:20.476 --> 25:23.747
SECRET SERVICE ABOUT A MAN WITH

25:23.758 --> 25:24.647
A RIFLE.

25:24.658 --> 25:27.059
YOU DESCRIBED A MEETING IN THE

25:27.070 --> 25:30.242
WHITE HOUSE AROUND 10:00 A.M. IN

25:30.253 --> 25:35.508
THE MORNING INVOLVING CHIEF OF

25:35.519 --> 25:38.075
STAFF MEADOWS AND TONY ORNATO.

25:38.109 --> 25:39.749
WERE YOU IN THAT MEETING?

25:39.760 --> 25:40.819
>> I WAS.

25:40.853 --> 25:42.782
>> I THINK LAST TIME WE TALKED

25:42.793 --> 25:45.739
YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE WEAPON

25:45.750 --> 25:50.763
THAT’S PEOPLE HAD AT THE RALLY,

25:50.774 --> 25:53.437
INCLUDED FLAG POLES, OVER SIZED

25:53.471 --> 25:56.493
STICKS, BEAR SPRAY, IS THERE

25:56.494 --> 25:58.327
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU RECALL

25:58.338 --> 26:00.063
HEARING ABOUT?

26:00.074 --> 26:02.049
THE PEOPLE THAT GATHERED?

26:02.060 --> 26:05.613
>> I RECALL TONY AND I HAVING A

26:05.624 --> 26:08.200
CONVERSATION WITH MARK AROUND

26:08.211 --> 26:13.244
10:00 A.M., 10:15 A.M. WHERE I

26:13.245 --> 26:15.251
REMEMBER TONY MENTIONING KNIVES,

26:15.253 --> 26:19.437
GUNS, IN THE FORMS OF PISTOLS

26:19.448 --> 26:23.165
AND RIVALS, BEAR SPRAY, BODY

26:23.176 --> 26:25.591
ARMOR, SPEARS, AND FLAGPOLES.

26:25.625 --> 26:27.882
SPEARS WERE ONE ITEM, FLAGPOLES

26:27.883 --> 26:31.443
ANOTHER, AND TONY RELAYED TO ME

26:31.454 --> 26:33.832
AND THESE F-ING PEOPLE ARE

26:33.843 --> 26:37.522
FASTENING SPEARS ON TO THE END

26:37.533 --> 26:39.055
OF FLAGPOLES.

26:39.066 --> 26:42.622
>> HERE IS A CLIP OF YOUR

26:42.633 --> 26:45.370
TESTIMONY TO MR. MEADOWS

26:45.381 --> 26:46.924
RESPONSE LEARNING THE RALLY

26:46.925 --> 26:48.778
ATTENDEES WERE ARM THAD DAY.

26:48.779 --> 26:51.202
>> WHAT WAS MARK’S REACTION TO

26:51.213 --> 26:52.837
THIS LIST OF WEAPON THAT’S

26:52.870 --> 26:53.713
PEOPLE HAD?

26:53.724 --> 26:55.984
>> WHEN TONY AND I WENT IN TO

26:56.017 --> 26:57.837
TALK TO MARK THAT MORNING, HE

26:57.838 --> 26:59.847
WAS SITTING ON HIS COUCH ON HIS

26:59.858 --> 27:01.331
PHONE, WHICH IS SOMETHING

27:01.366 --> 27:03.499
TYPICAL, AND TONY GOT RIGHT INTO

27:03.510 --> 27:05.432
IT, BUT SIR, I WANT TO LET YOU

27:05.467 --> 27:06.837
KNOW THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE

27:06.848 --> 27:08.311
HAVE OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW.

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THESE ARE THE WEAPONS THAT WE’RE

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GOING TO HAVE -- HE MAY HAVE

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LISTED MORE WEAPONS, I DON’T

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RECALL, BUT GIVEN A BRIEF

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EXPLANATION, BUT IT WAS

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THOROUGH.

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AND I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY, MARK

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NOT LOOKING UP FROM HIS PHONE.

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I REMEMBER TONY MENTIONING HIS

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EXPLANATION, AND IT TAKING A FEW

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SECONDS FOR MARK TO SAY

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SOMETHING TO THE POINT WHERE I

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WAS -- MARK, DID YOU HEAR HIM?

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AND THEN MARK CHIMED IN AND HE

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WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING

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ELSE?

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STILL LOOKING DOWN AT HIS PHONE.

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AND TONY LOOKED AT ME AND I

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LOOKED AT TONY AND TONY SAID NO,

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SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

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AND HE WAS LIKE WHAT ARE YOU

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HEARING?

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AND HE TOLD YOU ABOUT WHAT IS

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HAPPENING AT THE RALLY AND THEN

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HE LOOKED UP AND SAID "HAVE YOU

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TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT" AND

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TONY SAYS YES, SIR, HE IS AWARE,

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TOO, AND HE SAID ALL RIGHT,

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GOOD.

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>> HE ASKED TONY IF TONY

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INFORMED THE PRESIDENT, AND TONY

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SAID HE HAD.

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>> IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT

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HE TOLD THE PRESIDENT ABOUT

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WEAPONS AT THE RALLY ON THE

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MORNING OF JANUARY 6th.

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>> HERE IS HOW YOU CHARACTERIZE

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HIS GENERAL RESPONSE WHEN PEOPLE

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RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT COULD

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HAPPEN ON JANUARY 6th.

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>> SO AT THE TIME, IN THE DAYS

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LEADING UP TO THE 6th, THERE WAS

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LOTS OF PUBLIC REPORTS ABOUT HOW

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THINGS MIGHT GO BACK AND THERE

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IS A PENSION FOR VIOLENCE.

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IF I’M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY

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WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU THAT MR.

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MEADOW DSTS DID NOT SHARE OR ACT

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THE CONCERNS.

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>> DID NOT ACT ON THE CONCERNS

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WOULD BE ACCURATE.

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>> BUT YOU MENTIONED OTHER

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PEOPLE BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM.

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>> THAT’S CORRECT.

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>> WE’RE GOING TO SHOW NOW AN

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EXCHANGE OF TEXTS BETWEEN YOU

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AND DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF

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ORNATO.

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THESE TEXT MESSAGES WERE

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EXCHANGED WHILE YOU WERE AT THE

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ELIPSE.

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IN ONE TEXT YOU SAY THE CROWD

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LOOKS GOOD FROM THIS VANTAGE

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POINT AS LONG AS WE GET THE

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SHOT, HE WAS F-ING FURIOUS.

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AND IT STRESSES THAT PRESIDENT

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TRUMP KEPT MENTIONING THE OTR,

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AN OFF THE RECORD MOVEMENT.

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WE’RE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK

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YOU ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT, WHO

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IS IT IN THE TEXT WHO WAS

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FURIOUS?

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>> THE ME IN THAT TEXT THAT I

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WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE

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PRESIDENT.

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>> AND WHY WAS HE FURIOUS MS.

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HUTCHINSON?

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>> BECAUSE HE WANTED THE ARENA

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THAT WE HAD TO BE MAXED OUT AT

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CAPACITY FOR ALL ATTENDEES.

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THE EVENTS TEAM RELAYED THAT IT

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WAS FREE FLOWING, EVERYONE THAT

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WANTED TO COME IN HAD COME IN

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AND HE WAS ANGRY ABOUT THE EXTRA

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SPACE AND HE WANTED MORE PEOPLE

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TO COME IN.

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>> DID YOU GO TO THE RALLY IN

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THE PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCADE?

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>> I WAS THERE, YES, IN THE

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MOTORCADE.

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>> WERE YOU BACKSTAGE WITH THE

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PRESIDENT AND OTHER MEMBERS OF

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STAFF AND FAMILY?

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>> I WAS.

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>> AND YOU TOLD US ABOUT

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PARTICULAR COMMENT THAT’S YOU

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HEARD WHILE YOU WERE IN THE TENT

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AREA.

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>> WHEN WE WERE IN THE OFF STAGE

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ANNOUNCE AREA TENT BEHIND THE

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STAGE HE WAS VERY CONCERNED

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ABOUT THE SHOT, MEANING THE

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PHOTOGRAPH THAT HE WOULD GET,

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BECAUSE THE RALLY SPACE WAS NOT

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FULL.

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ONE OF THE REASONS, WHICH I

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PREVIOUSLY STATED WAS BECAUSE HE

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WANTED IT TO BE FULL, AND FOR

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PEOPLE TO NOT FEEL EXCLUDED.

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AND HE FELT THE MAGS WERE AT

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FAULT FOR NOT LETTING EVERYBODY

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IN, BUT ANOTHER LEADING REASON,

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LIKELY THE PRIMARY REASON, IS HE

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WANTED IT FULL AND HE WAS ANGRY

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THAT WE WERE LETTING PEOPLE

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THROUGH THE MAGS WITH WEAPONS,

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WHAT SECRET SERVICE DEEMED AS

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WEAPONS AND THAT ARE WEAPONS,

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BUT IN THE TENT I WAS PART OF A

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CONVERSATION.

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I WAS IN THE VICINITY OF A

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CONVERSATION WHERE I HEARD THE

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PRESIDENT SAY SOMETHING TO THE

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EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, I DON’T

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CARE THAT THEY HAVE WEAPONS.

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THEY’RE NOT HERE TO HURT ME,

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TAKE THE F-ING MAGS AWAY, LET

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THE PEOPLE IN, TAKE THE F-ING

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MAGS AWAY.

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>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS IT YOUR

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UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PRESIDENT

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WANTED TO TAKE THE MAGS AWAY AND

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SAID THE ARMED INDIVIDUALS WERE

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NOT THERE TO HURT HIM?

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>> THAT’S A FAIR ASSESSMENT.

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>> THE ISSUE WAS NOT WITH THE

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AMOUNT OF SPACE AVAILABLE IN THE

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OFFICIAL RALLY AREA ONLY, BUT

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INSTEAD THAT PEOPLE DID NOT WANT

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TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MAGS.

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LET’S LISTEN TO A PORTION OF

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WHAT YOU TOLD US ABOUT THAT.

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>> IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE,

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IT WASN’T THE CAPACITY OF OUR

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STATE, IT’S THE MAGS AND THE

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PEOPLE THAT DIDN’T WANT TO COME

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THROUGH AND THAT IS WHAT TONY

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WAS TRYING TO RELAY THIS

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MORNING.

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IT’S NOT THE ISSUES WE

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ENCOUNTERED ON THE CAMPAIGN.

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THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE, THEY

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DON’T WANT TO COME IN, THEY HAVE

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WEAPONS THEY DON’T WANT

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CONFISCATED BY THE SECRET

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SERVICE.

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THEY’RE FINE, THEY CAN SEE YOU

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ON THE MALL AND THEY WANT TO

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MARCH TO THE CAPITOL FROM THE

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MALL.

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>> THE PRESIDENT WANTED ALL

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ATTENDEES IN THE RALLY SPACE AND

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REPEATEDLY SAID "THEY’RE NOT

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HERE TO HURT ME."

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>> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO HE

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WAS TOLD, AGAIN, IN THAT

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CONVERSATION, WAS HE TOLD AGAIN

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IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE

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COULD NOT COME THROUGH BECAUSE

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THEY HAD WEAPONS?

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>> CORRECT.

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>> AND THAT PEOPLE, AND HIS

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RESPONSE WAS TO SAY THEY CAN

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MARCH TO THE CAPITOL FROM THE

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ELIPSE.

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>> SOMETHING FROM TAKE THE MAGS

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AWAY, THEY’RE NOT HERE TO HURT

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ME, LET ME PEOPLE IN, THEY CAN

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MARCH TO THE CAPITOL AFTER THE

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RALLY IS OVER.

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THEY CAN MARCH FROM THE ELIPSE,

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TAKE THE F-ING MAGS AWAY AND

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THEN THEY CAN MARCH TO THE

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CAPITOL.

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>> PHOTOS PROVIDED BY THE

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NATIONAL ARCHIVES SHOWING THE

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PRESIDENT IN THE OFF STAGE TENT,

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YOU’RE IN SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS

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AS WELL.

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AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT

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THAT IS WHEN YOU HEARD THE

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PRESIDENT SAY THAT THE PEOPLE

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WITH WEAPONS WEREN’T THERE TO

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HURT HIM AND HE WANTED THE

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SECRET SERVICE TO REMOVE THE MAG

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ANY

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MAGNATOMETERS.

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>> THAT’S CORRECT.

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WE WERE STANDING IN THE TENT

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CLOSE WHERE HE WOULD WALK OUT TO

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GO ON TO THE STAGE.

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THESE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED TWO

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TO THREE MINUTES BEFORE HE TOOK

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THE STAGE THAT MORNING.

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>> LET’S REFLECT ON THAT FOR A

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MOMENT.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS AWARE THAT A

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NUMBER OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE

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CROWD HAD WEAPONS AND WERE

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WEARING BODY ARMOR, AND HERE IS

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WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP INSTRUCTED

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THE DROUD DOCROWD TO DO.

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>> WE’RE GOING TO WALK DOWN,

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I’LL BE THERE WITH YOU, ANYONE

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YOU WANT, BUT I THINK RIGHT HERE

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TO THE CAPITOL.

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>> AND THE CROWD, AS WE KNOW,

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DID PROCEED TO THE CAPITOL.

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IT BECAME APPARENT TO THE SECRET

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SERVICE, INCLUDING THE SECRET

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SERVICE TEAMS IN THE CROWD,

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ALONG WITH WHITE HOUSE STAFF
THAT THE SECURITY AT THE CAPITOL

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THAT THE SECURITY AT THE CAPITOL

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WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT.

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>> I HAD TWO OR THREE PHONE

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CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. ORNATO AT

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THE ELIPSE AND THEN I HAD FOUR

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MEN ON MR. MEADOWS DETAIL WITH

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ME.

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ME, THOSE INDIVIDUALS, AND A FEW

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OTHERS AND THEY WERE GETTING

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NOTIFICATIONS THROUGH THEIR

35:27.933 --> 35:30.433
RADIOS AND MR. ORNATO CALLED ME

35:30.467 --> 35:34.010
AND SAID MAKE SURE THE CHIEF

35:34.012 --> 35:36.743
KNOWS THEY’RE GETTING CLOSE TO

35:36.754 --> 35:39.655
THE CAPITOL AND THEY’RE PLANNING

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ON STACKING BODIES.

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>> WHEN YOU SAID THEY WERE

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HAVING TROUBLE STACKING BODIES,

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DID YOU MEAN LAW ENFORCEMENT AT

35:46.036 --> 35:48.108
THE CAPITOL NEEDED MORE PEOPLE

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TO DEFEND THE CAPITOL FROM THE

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RIOTERS?

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>> IT WAS BECOMING CLEAR TO US

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AND THE SECRET SERVICE THAT

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CAPITOL POLICE OFFICERS WERE

35:57.728 --> 36:00.217
GETTING OVERRUN OUTSIDE OF THE

36:00.252 --> 36:01.659
SECURITY BARRICADES AND THEY

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WERE SHORT OF PEOPLE TO DEFEND

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THE BUILDING AGAINST THE

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RIOTERS.

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>> AND YOU MENTIONED THAT MR.

36:11.679 --> 36:13.511
ORNATO CONVEYED THIS TO YOU

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BECAUSE HE WANTED YOU TO TELL

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MR. MEADOWS.

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SO DID YOU TELL HIM THAT THE

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CAPITOL POLICE WERE HAVING

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DIFFICULTY?
>> AFTER I HAD THE CONVERSATION

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>> AFTER I HAD THE CONVERSATION

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WITH MR. MEADOWS, MR. -- MR. ORN

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I WENT TO TELL MR. MEADOWS.

36:34.382 --> 36:38.098
HE INFORMS A SECURED VEHICLE

36:38.100 --> 36:40.492
HAVING A PHONE CALL.

36:40.493 --> 36:42.559
HE IMMEDIATELY SHUT THE DOOR.

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I DON’T KNOW WHO HE IS SPEAKING

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WITH.

36:44.891 --> 36:46.781
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING HE

36:46.783 --> 36:47.619
REGULARLY DID.

36:47.621 --> 36:49.959
I WAS A BIT TAKEN ABACK BUT I

36:49.970 --> 36:52.580
DIDN’T THINK MUCH OF IT, AND I

36:52.591 --> 36:54.899
THOUGHT I WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE

36:54.910 --> 36:56.465
THE CONVERSATION WITH HIM A FEW

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MOMENTS LATER.

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>> WERE YOU ABLE TO HAVE THAT

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CONVERSATION A FEW MOMENTS

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LATER?

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>> ABOUT 20 OR 25 MINUTES LATER

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THERE WAS ANOTHER PERIOD WHEN HE

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SHUT THE DOOR AGAIN AND WHEN HE

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FINALLY GOT OUT OF THE VEHICLE

37:08.995 --> 37:10.209
WE HAD A CONVERSATION.

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THERE WAS A BACKLOG OF

37:11.331 --> 37:13.180
INFORMATION THAT HE SHOULD HAVE

37:13.181 --> 37:14.551
BEEN MADE AWARE OF.

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>> SO YOU OPENED THE DOOR TO THE

37:17.122 --> 37:18.329
CONTROL CAR AND MR. MEADOWS

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PULLED IT SHUT?

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>> THAT’S CORRECT.

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>> HE DID THAT TWO TIMES?

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>> CORRECT.

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>> WHEN YOU WERE FINALLY ABLE TO

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GIVE MR. MEADOWS THE INFORMATION

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ABOUT THE VIOLENCE AT THE

37:32.654 --> 37:38.612
CAPITOL, WHAT WAS HIS REACTION?
>> HE ALMOST HAD A LACK OF

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>> HE ALMOST HAD A LACK OF

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REACTION.

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I REMEMBER HE SAID SOMETHING

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LIKE HOW MUCH LONGER DOES THE

37:54.437 --> 37:56.845
PRESIDENT HAVE IN HIS SPEECH.

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>> MUCH ABOUT THIS WAS KNOWN OR

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LEARNED BEFORE THE ONSET OF THE

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VIOLENCE.

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EARLY ENOUGH FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

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TO TAKE STEPS TO PREVENT IT.

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HE COULD HAVE URGED THE CROWD

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NOT TO MARCH TO THE CAPITOL.

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HE COULD HAVE CONDEMNED THE

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VIOLENCE IMMEDIATELY OR TAKEN

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MULTIPLE OTHER STEPS, BUT AS WE

38:19.488 --> 38:21.973
WILL SEE TODAY AND IN LATER

38:21.984 --> 38:23.378
HEARINGS HOE HAD SOMETHING ELSE

38:23.413 --> 38:24.511
IN MIND.

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ONE OTHER POINT, WERE YOU AWARE

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OF CONCERNS THAT WHITE HOUSE

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COUNCIL HAD ABOUT THE LANGUAGE

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THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP USED IN HIS
SPEECH?

38:34.302 --> 38:53.343
SPEECH?
>> THERE WAS MORE

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>> THERE WAS MORE, IT HEADLINES

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>> THERE WAS MORE, IT HEADLINES

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ALONG TO THE EFFECT THAT FIGHT

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FOR TRUMP, WE’RE GOING TO MARCH

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TO THE CAPITAL, I’LL BE THERE

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FOR YOU.

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FIGHT FOR ME, FIGHT FOR WHAT

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WE’RE DOING, FIGHT FOR THE

39:08.596 --> 39:09.594
MOVEMENT.
THINGS ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT

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THINGS ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT

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AT THE TIME, TOO.

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THEY DIDN’T WANT HIM TO INCLUDE

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THAT BECAUSE OF THE OPTICS OF

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WHAT WAS HAPPENING THAT DAY.

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>> AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE WITH

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HIS SUPPORTERS EVEN THOUGH HE

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DID NOT END UP GOING, HE

39:37.614 --> 39:39.571
CERTAINLY WANTED TO.

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SOME HAVE QUESTIONS WHETHER OR
NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP GENUINELY

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NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP GENUINELY

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PLANNED TO COME HERE TO THE

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CAPITOL.

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MARK MEADOWS SAID HE WAS

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SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY ABOUT

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THE WALK TO THE CAPITOL.

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AS YOU WILL SEE DONALD TRUMP WAS

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NOT SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY.

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AS WE HEARD EARLIER, RUDY JOULE

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GIULIANI TOLD MS. HUTCHINSON

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THAT DONALD TRUMP PLANS TO GO TO

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THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.

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EXPLAIN SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY

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THAT YOU WILL HEAR TODAY.

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WE HEARD YOU USE TWO DIFFERENT

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TERMS TO DESCRIBE THE PLANS FOR

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THE PRESIDENT’S MOVEMENT, THE

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CAPITOL, OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

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ONE OF THOSE IS A SCHEDULED

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MOVEMENT AND ANOTHER IS OTR.

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CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR WHAT THOSE

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ARE.

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>> A SCHEDULED PRESIDENTIAL

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MOVEMENT IS ON HIS OFFICIAL

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SCHEDULE.

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IT’S NOTIFIED TO PRESS AND A

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WIDE RANGE OF STAFF.

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KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE

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SECRET WAS A AND THEY CAN

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COORDINATE THE MOVEMENT DAYS IN

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ADVANCE.

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OFF THE RECORD IS CONFINED TO

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THE KNOWLEDGE OF A VERY SMALL

40:55.075 --> 40:57.318
GROUP OF ADVISORS AND STAFF.

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USUALLY A SMALL GROUP OF STAFF

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WOULD TRAVEL WITH HIM.

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MOSTLY THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE

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NATIONAL SECURITY PACKAGE.

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YOU CAN PULL IT TOGETHER IN LESS

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THAN AN HOUR IF IS A WAY TO

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CIRCUMVENT HAVING TO RELEASE IT

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TO THE PRESS, IF THAT’S THE

41:19.544 --> 41:21.858
GOAL, OR TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE AS

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MANY SECURITY PARAMETERS IN

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PLACE TO MAKE THE MOVEMENT

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HAPPEN.

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>> THANK YOU.

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LET’S GO BACK TO THE PRESIDENT’S

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PLANS TO TRAVEL TO THE WHITE

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HOUSE.

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WE KNOW THAT PAT WAS WORRIED

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WITH THE TRIP AND HE AGREE THAD

41:42.808 --> 41:44.163
IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

41:44.174 --> 41:45.979
DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS

41:46.013 --> 41:50.818
WITH PAT ABOUT HIS CONCERNS AND

41:50.829 --> 41:54.016
THE PRESIDENT GOING TO THE

41:54.027 --> 41:56.835
CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th?

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>> HE APPROACHED ME KNOWING MARK

41:59.295 --> 42:01.384
RAISED THE IDEA OF GOING TO THE

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CAPITOL.

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WE HAD A BRIEF PRIVATE

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CONVERSATION WHERE HE SAID TO ME

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WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS
DOESN’T HAPPEN.

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DOESN’T HAPPEN.

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THIS WOULD BE DISASTROUS.

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HE URGED EDD ME TO CONTINUE TO R

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THAT TO MR. MEADOWS.

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IT’S MY IMPRESSION THAT HE
THOUGHT MR. MEADOWS WAS PLANNING

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THOUGHT MR. MEADOWS WAS PLANNING

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THIS ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT

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AND HE SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE

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LINES OF MAKE SURE THAT THIS

42:55.696 --> 42:56.862
MOVEMENT DOESN’T HAPPEN.

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>> THAT’S RIGHT, HE SAID

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SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF

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PLEASE MAKE SURE WE DON’T GO TO

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THE CAPITOL, CASSIDY, KEEP IN

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TOUCH WITH ME, WE’RE GOING TO BE

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CHARGED WITH EVERY CRIME

43:09.363 --> 43:10.599
IMAGINABLE IF WE MAKE THAT

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MOVEMENT HAPPEN.

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>> DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH TRIMS

43:15.034 --> 43:16.315
MR. CIPOLLONE WAS CONCERNED

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WITH?

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>> IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE

43:20.451 --> 43:22.406
6th WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT

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POTENTIALLY OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE

43:24.214 --> 43:27.547
OR DEFRAUDING THE ELECTORAL

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COUNT.

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>> LET’S HEAR ABOUT SOME OF

43:31.779 --> 43:33.474
THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU

43:33.485 --> 43:34.542
MENTIONED EARLIER IN YOUR

43:34.576 --> 43:36.829
INTERVIEW WITH US.

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>> HAVING A PRIVATE CONVERSATION

43:40.195 --> 43:42.660
WITH PATH, LATE IN THE AFTERNOON

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OF THE THIRD OR FOURTH THAT PAT

43:44.920 --> 43:49.819
WAS CONCERNED IT WOULD LOOK LIKE
WE WERE ON INSTRUCTING JUSTICE,

43:49.821 --> 43:52.347
WE WERE ON INSTRUCTING JUSTICE,

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OR OBSTRUCTING THE ELECTORAL

43:57.402 --> 44:00.134
COLLEGE COUNT.

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I APOLOGIZE IF I’M NOT PERFECT

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WITH MY LEGAL TERMS HERE.

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BUT HE WAS ALSO WORRY THAD IT
WOULD LOOK LIKE WE WERE ENCITING

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WOULD LOOK LIKE WE WERE ENCITING

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A RIOT OR ENCOURAGING A RIOT AT

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THE CAPITAL.

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>> PRESIDENT TRUMP EXPRESSED TO

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MULTIPLE AIDES THAT HE WANTED TO

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GO TO THE CAPITOL AFTER HIS

44:30.196 --> 44:30.712
SPEECH.

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HERE IS WHAT VARIOUS AIDES TOLD

44:32.777 --> 44:34.455
THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE

44:34.466 --> 44:35.964
PRESIDENT’S DESIRE TO GO TO THE

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CAPITOL.

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>> DID THE PRESIDENT TELL YOU HE

44:38.236 --> 44:39.587
WANTED TO SPEAK AT THE CAPITOL?

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>> CORRECT, YES.

44:40.664 --> 44:43.215
>> IN THE MEETING IN THE DINING

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ROOM, DID THE IDEA OF THE

44:45.721 --> 44:47.306
PRESIDENT PROCEEDING OR WALKING

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TO THE CAPITOL ON THE 6th AFTER

44:49.085 --> 44:51.166
HIS SPEECH COME UP?

44:51.177 --> 44:52.597
>> WALKING TO THE CAPITOL?

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NO.

44:53.135 --> 44:54.885
>> DRIVING TO THE CAPITOL?

44:54.886 --> 44:56.143
>> IT CAME UP.

44:56.154 --> 44:58.526
>> HOW DID IT COME UP AND WHAT

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WAS DISCUSSED?

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>> HE BROUGHT IT UP AND HE SAID

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I WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE

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CAPITOL.

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>> WHAT ABOUT HIM MARCHING TO

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THE CAPITOL ON THE 6th?

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>> YES.

45:09.066 --> 45:12.373
>> TELL US ABOUT THAT.

45:12.384 --> 45:17.436
>> SO, IT WAS JUST A GENERAL

45:17.447 --> 45:22.891
THING, I WAS AWARE OF A DESIRE

45:22.902 --> 45:27.404
OF THE PRESIDENT TO POTENTIALLY

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MARCH TO, OR ACCOMPANY THE RALLY

45:30.579 --> 45:32.310
ATTENDEES TO THE CAPITOL.

45:32.311 --> 45:34.547
>> WHEN DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT

45:34.558 --> 45:37.330
THIS IDEA OF THE PRESIDENT

45:37.365 --> 45:39.951
ACCOMPANYING RALLY ATTENDEES?

45:39.952 --> 45:43.868
>> THIS WAS AT THE 6th, AFTER HE

45:43.869 --> 45:44.992
FINISHED HIS REMARKS.

45:45.003 --> 45:48.072
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAID HE

45:48.073 --> 45:50.451
WOULD BE GOING TO THE CAPITOL

45:50.452 --> 45:52.051
AFTER HIS SPEECH THE SECRET

45:52.052 --> 45:53.562
SERVICE SCRAMBLED TO FIND A WAY

45:53.573 --> 45:54.853
FOR HIM TO GO.

45:54.887 --> 45:56.419
WE KNOW THIS FROM WITNESSES AND

45:56.430 --> 45:58.013
THE SECRET SERVICE.

45:58.024 --> 46:00.415
ALSO FROM MESSAGES AMONG STAFF

46:00.426 --> 46:01.942
ON THE PRESIDENT’S NATIONAL

46:01.975 --> 46:03.329
SECURITY COUNCIL.

46:03.330 --> 46:05.294
THE STAFF WAS MONITORING THE

46:05.305 --> 46:07.564
SITUATION IN REALTIME AND YOU

46:07.597 --> 46:09.852
CAN SEE HOW THE SITUATION

46:09.863 --> 46:12.242
EVOLVED IN THE FOLLOWING CHAT

46:12.276 --> 46:14.895
LOG THAT THE COMMUNITY OBTAINED.

46:14.896 --> 46:18.539
AS YOU CAN SEE, STAFF BELIEVED

46:18.550 --> 46:21.176
THAT MOGUL, THE PRESIDENT, WAS

46:21.187 --> 46:23.113
GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

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AND "THEY ARE FINDING THE BEST

46:25.771 --> 46:26.644
ROUTE NOW."

46:26.655 --> 46:28.929
FROM THESE CHATS, WE ALSO KNOW

46:28.940 --> 46:32.478
THE STAFF LEARNED OF THE ATTACK

46:32.512 --> 46:35.908
ON THE CAPITOL IN REALTIME.

46:35.919 --> 46:38.548
WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP LEFT THE

46:38.582 --> 46:42.228
ELLIPSE STAGE AT 1:10 THE STAFF

46:42.239 --> 46:44.188
KNEW THAT RIOTERS INVADED THE

46:44.189 --> 46:47.122
STAGE AND CAPITOL POLICE WERE
CALLING FOR ALL AVAILABLE

46:47.133 --> 46:50.149
CALLING FOR ALL AVAILABLE

46:50.182 --> 46:54.706
OFFICERS TO RESPOND.

46:54.707 --> 46:57.938
WHEN KEVIN McCARTHY HEARD THAT

46:57.940 --> 47:01.111
THE PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO THE

47:01.122 --> 47:02.600
CAPITOL, HE CALLED, ISN’T THAT

47:02.634 --> 47:03.066
RIGHT?

47:03.067 --> 47:04.492
>> THAT’S CORRECT.

47:04.493 --> 47:10.080
>> THIS IS TEXAS MESSAGE YOU

47:10.091 --> 47:12.767
TOLD ORNATO "McCARTHY JUST

47:12.778 --> 47:15.738
CALLED ME TOO, ARE YOU COMING TO

47:15.772 --> 47:17.833
MY OFFICE"?

47:17.844 --> 47:22.132
TELL US ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION

47:22.143 --> 47:23.257
WITH McCARTHY.

47:23.268 --> 47:25.639
>> I WAS STILL IN THE TENT

47:25.650 --> 47:27.360
BEHIND THE STAGE AND WHEN EWE IN

47:27.371 --> 47:29.027
THERE YOU CAN’T REALLY HEAR WHAT

47:29.038 --> 47:31.375
IS GOING ON IN FRONT OF YOU.

47:31.377 --> 47:33.124
MR. McCARTHY CALLED ME THIS

47:33.135 --> 47:35.184
INFORMATION, I ANSWERED THE CALL

47:35.186 --> 47:36.921
AND HE SOUNDED RUSHED BUT ALSO

47:36.932 --> 47:40.189
FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY AT ME AND I

47:40.191 --> 47:42.312
WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE I DIDN’T

47:42.323 --> 47:43.525
KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT JUST

47:43.536 --> 47:43.980
SAID.

47:44.013 --> 47:45.944
HE THEN EXPLAINED THAT THE

47:45.955 --> 47:47.771
PRESIDENT JUST SAID HE IS

47:47.772 --> 47:49.578
MARCHING TO THE CAPITOL, AND YOU

47:49.589 --> 47:51.173
TOLD ME YOU’RE NOT COMING UP

47:51.207 --> 47:53.015
HERE, WHY WOULD YOU LIE TO ME.

47:53.016 --> 47:54.288
AND I SAID I’MME?

47:54.299 --> 47:56.020
I SAID, I’M NOT LYING.

47:56.031 --> 47:57.847
I WASN’T LYING TO YOU, SIR.

47:57.858 --> 47:59.678
WE’RE NOT GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

47:59.712 --> 48:01.357
HE SAID, WELL, HE SAID IT ON

48:01.368 --> 48:03.564
STAGE, FIGURE IT OUT.

48:03.575 --> 48:05.283
DON’T COME UP HERE.

48:05.284 --> 48:07.288
I SAID, I’LL RUN THE TRAPS ON

48:07.289 --> 48:09.029
THIS AND SHOOT YOU A TEXT.

48:09.040 --> 48:10.958
I CAN ASSURE YOU, WE’RE NOT

48:10.992 --> 48:12.411
COMING UP TO THE CAPITOL WE’VE

48:12.413 --> 48:13.854
ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION.

48:13.865 --> 48:16.366
HE PRESSED A LITTLE BIT MORE,

48:16.377 --> 48:18.411
BELIEVING ME, BUT I THINK

48:18.445 --> 48:19.705
FRUSTRATED THAT THE PRESIDENT

48:19.716 --> 48:22.604
HAD SAID THAT AND WE ENDED THE

48:22.638 --> 48:25.640
PHONE CONVERSATION AFTER THAT.

48:25.651 --> 48:27.707
I CALLED MR. SORANATO TO

48:27.740 --> 48:29.477
RE-CONFIRM WE WEREN’T GOING TO

48:29.488 --> 48:32.036
THE CAPITOL, WHICH IS ALSO IN

48:32.069 --> 48:33.728
OUR TEXT MESSAGES.

48:33.739 --> 48:36.242
I SENT MR. McCARTHY ANOTHER TEXT

48:36.243 --> 48:37.550
TELLING HIM THE AFFIRMATIVE,

48:37.561 --> 48:39.105
THAT WE WERE NOT GOING UP TO THE

48:39.116 --> 48:39.667
CAPITOL.

48:39.678 --> 48:42.576
HE DIDN’T RESPOND AFTER THAT.

48:42.587 --> 48:44.843
>> WE UNDERSTAND, MISS

48:44.876 --> 48:47.529
HUTCHINSON THAT THE PLANS FOR

48:47.530 --> 48:49.564
THE TRIP TO THE CAPITOL HAD

48:49.575 --> 48:50.693
INCLUDED DISCUSSIONS AT SOME

48:50.726 --> 48:52.197
POINT ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT

48:52.208 --> 48:54.987
WOULD DO WHEN HE CAME UP TO THE

48:54.998 --> 48:56.414
CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.

48:56.415 --> 48:59.700
LET’S LOOK AT A CLIP OF ONE OF

48:59.711 --> 49:00.961
YOUR INTERVIEWS DISCUSSING THAT

49:00.972 --> 49:02.062
ISSUE WITH THE 80.

49:02.073 --> 49:07.561
>> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A

49:07.572 --> 49:08.980
SCHEDULED MOVEMENT, DID ANYONE

49:08.991 --> 49:11.131
SAY, LOOK WHAT THE PRESIDENT

49:11.142 --> 49:15.184
WANTED TO DO WHEN HE GOT HERE?

49:15.218 --> 49:19.238
>> NO NOT THAT I CAN

49:19.249 --> 49:20.901
SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER.

49:20.912 --> 49:24.609
I REMEMBER, I HAVE DISCUSSED

49:24.642 --> 49:28.957
WITH MARK AND SCOTT TERRY, MARK

49:28.968 --> 49:32.882
AND RUDY GUILIANI, I DON’T KNOW

49:32.893 --> 49:34.400
WHICH CONVERSATIONS WERE HELD

49:34.411 --> 49:35.663
RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT.

49:35.697 --> 49:37.492
I DON’T KNOW WHAT HE PERSONALLY

49:37.503 --> 49:43.189
WANTED TO DO WHEN HE GOT UP TO

49:43.223 --> 49:45.238
THE CAPITOL THAT DAY.

49:45.249 --> 49:46.893
I KNOW THAT THERE WERE

49:46.926 --> 49:48.861
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HIM HAVING A

49:48.872 --> 49:50.041
SPEECH OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL

49:50.052 --> 49:51.727
BEFORE GOING IN AND THERE WAS A

49:51.738 --> 49:54.586
CONVERSATION ABOUT HIM GENTLEMAN

49:54.620 --> 49:56.961
INTO THE HOUSE CHAMBER AT ONE

49:56.963 --> 49:57.238
POINT.

49:57.249 --> 49:57.566
.

49:57.577 --> 49:59.502
>> AS WE’VE ALL JUST HEARD IN

49:59.536 --> 50:02.238
THE DAYS LEADING UP TO JANUARY

50:02.249 --> 50:04.547
6th ON THE DAY OF THE SPEECH,

50:04.581 --> 50:06.821
BOTH BEFORE AND DURING AND AFTER

50:06.822 --> 50:08.362
THE RALLY SPEECH, PRESIDENT

50:08.373 --> 50:10.309
TRUMP WAS PUSHING HIS STAFF TO

50:10.343 --> 50:13.928
ARRANGE FOR HIM TO COME UP HERE

50:13.929 --> 50:17.238
TO THE CAPITOL DURING THE

50:17.249 --> 50:18.464
ELECTORAL VOTE COUNT.

50:18.498 --> 50:20.735
LET’S TURN NOW TO WHAT HAPPENED

50:20.746 --> 50:22.447
IN THE PRESIDENT’S VEHICLE WHEN

50:22.458 --> 50:23.955
THE SECRET SERVICE TOLD HIM HE

50:23.966 --> 50:25.672
WOULD NOT BE GOING TO THE

50:25.683 --> 50:27.099
CAPITOL AFTER HIS SPEECH.

50:27.110 --> 50:29.290
FIRST, HERE’S THE PRESIDENT’S
MOTORCADE LEAVING THE ELLIPSE

50:29.324 --> 50:33.510
MOTORCADE LEAVING THE ELLIPSE

50:33.521 --> 50:46.103
AFTER HIS SPEECH ON JANUARY 6th.

50:46.114 --> 50:49.074
MISS HUTCHINSON, WHEN YOU

50:49.085 --> 50:51.821
RETURNED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN

50:51.832 --> 50:53.588
THE MOTORCADE AFTER THE

50:53.599 --> 50:54.786
PRESIDENT’S SPEECH, WHERE DID

50:54.819 --> 50:55.414
YOU GO?

50:55.425 --> 50:59.179
>> WHEN I RETURNED TO THE WHITE

50:59.213 --> 51:02.070
HOUSE, I WALKED UPSTAIRS TO THE

51:02.072 --> 51:03.797
CHIEF OF STAFF’S OFFICE.

51:03.808 --> 51:05.067
WE STARTED LINGERING OUTSIDE THE

51:05.101 --> 51:05.780
OFFICE.

51:05.791 --> 51:08.121
ONCE WE PAID CONTACT, HE QUICKLY

51:08.132 --> 51:10.488
WAVED ME TO GO INTO THE OFFICE,

51:10.523 --> 51:11.864
WHICH IS JUST ACROSS THE AISLE

51:11.875 --> 51:12.781
FROM MINE.

51:12.782 --> 51:16.251
WHEN I WENT IN, HE SHUT THE

51:16.285 --> 51:19.218
DOOR, I NOTICED MR. BOBBY ENGEL,

51:19.220 --> 51:21.317
THE HEAD OF TRUMP’S DETAIL,

51:21.318 --> 51:24.326
SITTING IN THE CHAIR A LITTLE

51:24.327 --> 51:26.584
COME BOB LATED AND LOST.

51:26.595 --> 51:28.390
HE SAID, DID YOU F’ING HEAR WHAT

51:28.401 --> 51:30.936
HAPPENED IN THE BEAST?

51:30.970 --> 51:33.662
I SAID, NO, TONY, I JUST GOT

51:33.663 --> 51:33.982
BACK.

51:33.993 --> 51:35.302
WHAT HAPPENED?

51:35.313 --> 51:37.956
TONY PROCEEDED TO TELL ME THAT

51:37.967 --> 51:39.821
WHEN THE PRESIDENT GOT IN THE

51:39.823 --> 51:41.627
BEAST, HE WAS UNDER THE

51:41.662 --> 51:44.083
IMPRESSION FROM MR. MEADOWS THAT

51:44.094 --> 51:45.483
THE OFF-THE-RECORD MOVEMENTS TO

51:45.494 --> 51:47.427
THE CAPITOL WERE STILL POSSIBLE

51:47.438 --> 51:49.352
AND LIKELY TO HAPPEN BUT THAT

51:49.363 --> 51:51.144
BODY HAD MORE INFORMATION.

51:51.155 --> 51:53.292
SO THE PRESIDENT HADN’T GOTTEN

51:53.293 --> 51:54.837
INTO THE VEHICLE WITH BOBBY, HE

51:54.838 --> 51:56.432
THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GOING UP

51:56.443 --> 51:58.056
TO THE CAPITOL AND WHEN BOBBY

51:58.067 --> 51:59.988
HAD RELATED TO HIM, WERE NOT, WE

52:00.022 --> 52:01.629
DON’T HAVE THE ACCESS TO DO IT,

52:01.640 --> 52:05.014
IT’S NOT SECURE, WE’RE GOING

52:05.025 --> 52:07.730
BACK TO THE WEST WING, THE

52:07.763 --> 52:11.139
PRESIDENT HAD VERY STRONG, A

52:11.140 --> 52:15.067
VERY ANGRY RESPONSE TO THAT.

52:15.068 --> 52:17.126
TONY DESCRIBED HIM AS BEING

52:17.127 --> 52:17.480
IRATE.

52:17.491 --> 52:19.738
THE PRESIDENT SAID SOMETHING TO

52:19.749 --> 52:21.864
THE EFFECT OF I’M THE F’ING

52:21.875 --> 52:23.548
PRESIDENT, TAKE ME UP TO THE

52:23.559 --> 52:24.913
CAPITOL NOW.

52:24.914 --> 52:27.745
TO WHICH BOBBY RESPONDED, SIR,

52:27.747 --> 52:30.160
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE WEST

52:30.162 --> 52:30.651
WING.

52:30.662 --> 52:32.251
THE PRESIDENT REACHED UP TOWARDS

52:32.262 --> 52:35.546
THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE TO GRAB

52:35.580 --> 52:37.516
AT THE STEERING WHEEL.

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MR. ENGEL GRABBED HIS ARM, SAID,

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SIR, YOU SNEAD TO TAKE YOUR HAND

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OFF THE STEERING WHEEL.

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WE’RE GOING BACK TO THE WEST

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WING.

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WE’RE NOT GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

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MR. TRUMP THEN USED HIS FREE

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HAND TO HUNDRED HIM TOWARDS

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BOBBY ENGEL AND WHEN HE

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RECOUNTED THE STORY TO ME, HE

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MOTIONED TOWARDS HIS CLAVICLES.

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>> AND WHAT MR. ENGEL IN THE

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ROOM AS MR. ORANATO TOLD YOU

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THIS STORY?

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>> HE WAS.

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>> DID MR. ENGEL CORRECT OR

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DISAGREE WITH ANY PART OF THE

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STORY FROM MR. ORANATO?

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>> MR. ENGEL DID NOT CORRECT OR

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DISAGREE WITH ANY PART OF THE

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STORY.

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>> DID THEY EVER AFTER THAT TELL

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YOU WHAT MR. ORANATO SAID WAS

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UNTRUE?

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>> NEITHER MR. ORANATO OR

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MR. ENGLE TOLD ME IT WAS EVER

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UNTRUE.

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>> AND DESPITE THIS ALTERCATION

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THIS PHYSICAL ALTERCATION DURING

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THE RIDE BACK TO THE WHITE

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HOUSE, PRESIDENT TRUMP STILL

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DEMANDED TO GO TO THE CAPITOL.

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HERE’S WHAT KAYLEE McENANY, THE

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WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY SET

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WROTE IN HER PERSONAL NOTES AND

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TOLD THE COMMITTEE ABOUT

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PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DESIRE TO GO

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TO THE CAPITOL AFTER RETURNING

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TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

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>> WHEN YOU WANTED TO WALK TO --

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POTUS WANTED TO WALK TOWARDS THE

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CAPITOL, WAS THERE ANYTHING HE

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OR ANYBODY SAID AFTER W5ERDS?

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>> TO THE BET OF MY

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RECOLLECTION, I BELIEVE WHEN WE

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GOT BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE, HE

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SAID HE WANTED TO PHYSICALLY

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WALK WITH THE MARCHERS.

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ACCORDING TO MY NOTES, HE THEN

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SAID HE’D BE FINE JUST RIDING

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THE BEAST.

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TO MY RECOLLECTION, HE WANTED TO

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BE A PART OF THE MARCH IN SOME

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FASHION.

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>> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD HE

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REFERS TO THE PRESIDENTIAL

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LIMOUSINE?

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>> YES.

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>> PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT GO TO

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THE CAPITOL THAT DAY.

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WE UNDERSTAND THAT HE BLAMED

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MARK MEADOWS FOR THAT.

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>> SO PRIOR TO LEAVING THE RALLY

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SITE, WHEN HE GOT OFF THE STAGE

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AND EVERYBODY WAS MAKING A MOVE

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BACK TO THE MOTORCADE.

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I OVERHEARD MR. MEADOWS SAY TO

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HIM HIM THEN PRIOR TO MR. TRUMP

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TAKING THE STAGE THAT MORNING

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THAT HE WAS STILL WORKING ON

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GETTING AN OFF-THE-RECOVERED

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MOVEMENT TO THE CAPITOL.

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SO MR. TRUMP TOOK THE STAGE, HE

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WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BY

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MR. MEADOWS THAT IT WAS STILL

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POSSIBLE.

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SO WHEN HE GOT OFF THE STAGE, I

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HAD RELATED TO MR. MEADOWS, I

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HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE

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ATTORNEY, IT’S STILL NOT

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POSSIBLE.

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MR. MEADOWS SAID, OKAY.

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SO WHEN I PROCEEDED TO GO TO THE

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MOTORCADE, AND MR. MEADOWS HAD

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REPLICATED, WE’RE GOING TO WORK

55:32.272 --> 55:33.834
ON THIS, THE BODY HAS MORE

55:33.868 --> 55:34.218
INFORMATION.

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MARK GOT INTO HIS VEHICLE.

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TO MY UNDERSTANDING.

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TRUMP GOT INTO THE BEAST AND

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AFTER WE ALL ARRIVED BACK AT THE

55:43.036 --> 55:47.020
WHITE HOUSE, WITHIN A DAY, IT

55:47.054 --> 55:49.651
HAD BEEN RELEASED VIA MARK THAT

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THE PRESIDENT WASN’T HAPPY THAT

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BOBBY DIDN’T PULL OFF FOR HIM

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AND MARK DIDN’T WORK HARD ENOUGH

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TO GET THE MOVEMENT ON THE

55:58.951 --> 55:59.447
BOOKS.

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>> THE PHYSICAL ALTERCATION THAT

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MISS HUTCHINSON DESCRIBED IN THE

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PRESIDENTIAL VEHICLE WAS NOT THE

56:04.987 --> 56:06.717
FIRST TIME THAT THE PRESIDENT

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HAD BECOME VERY ANGRY ABOUT

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ISSUES RELATED TO THE ELECTION.

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ON DECEMBER 1, 2020, ATTORNEY

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GENERAL BARR SAID IN AN

56:14.969 --> 56:16.090
INTERVIEW, THAT THE DEPARTMENT

56:16.101 --> 56:18.202
OF JUSTICE HAD NOT FOUND

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EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD ELECTION

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FRAUD SUFFICIENT TO CHANGE THE

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OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.

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MISS HUTCHINSON, HOW DID THE

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PRESIDENT REACT TO HEARING THAT

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NEWS?

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>> AROUND THE TIME THAT I

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UNDERSTAND THE AP ARTICLE WENT

56:34.354 --> 56:36.326
LIVE, I REMEMBER HEARING NOISE

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COMING FROM DOWN THE HALL.

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SO I POKED MY HEAD OUT AT THE

56:39.858 --> 56:40.433
OFFICE.

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I SAW THE VALET WALKING TOWARDS

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OUR OFFICE.

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HE HAD SAID, GET THE KIEV DOWN

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TO THE DINING ROOM.

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THE PRESIDENT WANTS HIM.

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SO MARK WENT DOWN TO THE DINING

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ROOM, CAME BACK TO THE OFFICE A

56:52.106 --> 56:53.449
FEW MINUTES LATER.

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AFTER MARK HAD RETURNED, I LEFT

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THE OFFICE AND WENT DOWN TO THE

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DINING ROOM AND I NOTICED THAT

56:58.977 --> 57:01.818
THE DOOR WAS PROPPED OPEN AND

57:01.829 --> 57:03.862
THE VALET WAS INSIDE THE DINING

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ROOM, CHANGING THE TABLE CLOTH

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OFF THE DINING ROOM TABLE.

57:06.845 --> 57:08.712
HE MOTIONED FOR ME TO COME IN

57:08.723 --> 57:10.727
AND POINTED TOWARD THE FRONT OF

57:10.761 --> 57:12.772
THE LOOM NEAR THE FIREPLACE

57:12.783 --> 57:14.834
MANTLE AND THE TV WHERE I FIRST

57:14.845 --> 57:15.953
NOTICED THERE WAS CATCHUP

57:15.964 --> 57:18.429
DRIPPING DOWN THE WALL AND THERE

57:18.440 --> 57:20.002
WAS A SHATTERED PORCELAIN PLATE

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ON THE FLOOR.

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THE VALET HAD ARTICULATED THAT

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THE PRESIDENT WAS EXTREMELY

57:29.317 --> 57:31.617
ANGRY AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S

57:31.628 --> 57:35.824
A.P. INTERVIEW AND HAD THROWN

57:35.858 --> 57:38.014
HIS LUNCH AGAINST THE WALL,

57:38.015 --> 57:39.851
WHICH WAS CAUSING HIM TO HAVE TO

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CLEAN UP.

57:40.868 --> 57:43.094
SO I GRABBED A TOWEL AND STARTED

57:43.105 --> 57:45.112
WIPING THE CATCH-UP OFF THE WALL

57:45.123 --> 57:46.660
TO HELP THE VALET OUT.

57:46.671 --> 57:49.459
HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT

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OF, HE’S REALLY TICKED OFF ABOUT

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THIS.

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I WOULD STAY CLEAR OF HIM FOR

57:53.554 --> 57:54.589
RIGHT NOW.

57:54.600 --> 57:56.701
HE’S REALLY, REALLY TICKED OFF

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ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.

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>> MISS HUTCHINSON, WAS THIS THE

58:00.675 --> 58:04.351
ONLY INSTANCE THAT YOU ARE AWARE

58:04.352 --> 58:06.078
OF WHERE THE PRESIDENT THREW

58:06.079 --> 58:06.337
DISHES?

58:06.348 --> 58:07.423
>> IT’S NOT.

58:07.434 --> 58:08.993
>> AND ARE THERE OTHER INSTANCES

58:09.004 --> 58:12.124
IN THE DINING ROOM THAT YOU

58:12.158 --> 58:13.612
RECALL WHERE HE EXPRESSED HIS

58:13.613 --> 58:13.940
ANGER?

58:13.941 --> 58:15.220
>> THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES

58:15.221 --> 58:16.902
THROUGHOUT MY TENURE AS THE

58:16.913 --> 58:20.861
CHIEF OF STAFF THAT I WAS AWARE

58:20.872 --> 58:23.260
OF HIM EITHER THROWING DISHES OR

58:23.271 --> 58:25.703
FLIPPING THE TABLE CLOTH TO LET

58:25.714 --> 58:28.182
ALL THE CONTENTS OF THE TABLE GO

58:28.216 --> 58:30.547
ONTO THE FLOOR AND LIKELY BREAK

58:30.558 --> 58:32.296
OR GO EVERYWHERE.

58:32.330 --> 58:34.353
>> AND MISS HUTCHINSON, ATTORNEY

58:34.364 --> 58:36.486
GENERAL BARR DESCRIBED TO THE

58:36.497 --> 58:38.458
COMMITTEE THE PRESIDENT’S ANGRY

58:38.492 --> 58:41.375
REACTION WHEN HE FINALLY MET

58:41.386 --> 58:43.413
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

58:43.447 --> 58:45.320
LET’S LISTEN.

58:45.331 --> 58:48.610
>> AND I SAID, LOOK, I DIDN’T

58:48.621 --> 58:49.951
KNOW YOU WERE DISSATISFIED WITH

58:49.962 --> 58:50.504
ME.

58:50.515 --> 58:52.247
I’M GLAD TO OFFER MY

58:52.258 --> 58:52.657
RESIGNATION.

58:52.668 --> 58:54.563
HE POUNDED THE TABLE VERY HARD

58:54.574 --> 58:58.324
AND EVERYONE SORT OF JUMPED.

58:58.335 --> 59:00.851
HE SAID, ACCEPT IT?

59:00.862 --> 59:03.086
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I RESERVE.

59:03.120 --> 59:04.628
>> CHAIR WOMAN RESERVES.

59:04.639 --> 59:06.667
THE CHAIR REQUESTS THOSE IN THE

59:06.701 --> 59:08.989
HEARING ROOM TO REMAIN SEATED

59:09.000 --> 59:10.845
UNTIL THE CAPITOL POLICE HAVE

59:10.856 --> 59:12.875
ESCORTED OUR WITNESS FROM THE

59:12.908 --> 59:14.932
ROOM PURSUANT TO THE ORDER OF

59:14.943 --> 59:16.438
THE COMMITTEE OF TODAY.

59:16.449 --> 59:18.277
THE CHAIR DECLARES THE COMMITTEE

59:18.311 --> 59:23.521
RECESS FOR A PERIOD OF

59:23.532 --> 59:25.382
APPROXIMATELY TEN MINUTES.

59:25.415 --> 59:29.170
>> AND WITH THE GAVEL COMING

59:29.172 --> 59:32.216
DOWN, BENNY THOMPSON, THE CHAIR

59:32.217 --> 59:34.114
RECESSES AFTER THE MOST DRAMATIC

59:34.115 --> 59:35.952
TESTIMONY FROM THE WITNESS

59:35.953 --> 59:36.905
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON DESCRIBING

59:36.916 --> 59:38.547
THE FURY OF THE PRESIDENT WHEN

59:38.558 --> 59:40.429
HE WAS TOLD BY THE SECRET

59:40.440 --> 59:42.102
SERVICE WHEN HE GOT BACK INTO

59:42.113 --> 59:44.039
THE VEHICLE KNOWN AS THE BEAST,

59:44.050 --> 59:45.735
THE ARMORED VEHICLE, THAT IT WAS

59:45.769 --> 59:47.951
TOO DANGEROUS FOR HIM TO GO UP

59:47.953 --> 59:50.256
TO THE CAPITOL AS HE HAD

59:50.267 --> 59:51.601
PLANNED, AS HE HAD WANTED TO.

59:51.635 --> 59:53.056
SHE HAD ALREADY TESTIFIED THAT

59:53.067 --> 59:54.693
THERE WAS A PLAN THEY FIRST

59:54.704 --> 59:56.543
HEARD ACT ON THE 2nd OR THE 3rd

59:56.577 --> 59:58.996
TO GO BACK UP TO THE COME AND

59:59.007 --> 01:00:00.513
THAT, IN FACT, THE SECRETARY,

01:00:00.524 --> 01:00:02.263
EXCUSE ME, THE PRESIDENT OF THE

01:00:02.274 --> 01:00:03.748
UNITED STATES GOT IN AN

01:00:03.759 --> 01:00:04.579
ALTERCATION, A PHYSICAL

01:00:04.590 --> 01:00:05.831
ALTERCATION WITH BOBBY

01:00:05.864 --> 01:00:07.658
EVERYTHING HIM, THE HEAD OF HIS

01:00:07.659 --> 01:00:09.357
SECRET SERVICE DETAIL.

01:00:09.368 --> 01:00:12.744
HE TRIED TO GRAB THE STEERING

01:00:12.755 --> 01:00:15.150
WHEEL AND LUNGED WHEN THE SECRET

01:00:15.184 --> 01:00:16.354
SERVICE HANDED THE DETAIL,

01:00:16.365 --> 01:00:18.835
GRABBED HIS ARM AND STOPPED HIM

01:00:18.868 --> 01:00:20.031
FROM DOING THAT.

01:00:20.042 --> 01:00:22.442
KATY TUR IS WITH ME.

01:00:22.443 --> 01:00:25.859
I WANT TO PLAY THAT CLIP OF

01:00:25.870 --> 01:00:26.615
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON’S

01:00:26.649 --> 01:00:27.519
EXTRAORDINARY TESTIMONY OF WHAT

01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:29.109
SHE WAS TOLD.

01:00:29.143 --> 01:00:30.802
THIS MART IS HEARSAY.

01:00:30.813 --> 01:00:33.557
BUT SHE HAD ALSO OBSERVED MANY

01:00:33.591 --> 01:00:36.621
OF THE THINGS, INCLUDING THAT

01:00:36.622 --> 01:00:38.744
THE PRESIDENT HAD THROWN PLATES

01:00:38.745 --> 01:00:40.786
AND BROKEN PLATES PREVIOUS TIMES

01:00:40.787 --> 01:00:42.583
ON DECEMBER 1st, IN PARTICULAR,

01:00:42.594 --> 01:00:44.606
WHEN THE TOMORROW BILL BARR SAID

01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:46.530
THERE HAD BEEN NO EVIDENCE OF

01:00:46.531 --> 01:00:47.212
ELECTION FRAUD.

01:00:47.223 --> 01:00:48.523
LET’S PLAY THAT CLIP.

01:00:48.534 --> 01:00:49.707
WE’LL DISCUSS IT ON THE OTHER

01:00:49.718 --> 01:00:50.099
SIDE.

01:00:50.110 --> 01:00:51.594
>> BOBBY HAD RELATED TO HIM,

01:00:51.605 --> 01:00:53.166
WE’RE NOT, WE DON’T HAVE THE

01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:54.329
ACCESS TO DO IT.

01:00:54.331 --> 01:00:56.200
IT’S NOT SECURE.

01:00:56.211 --> 01:00:58.224
WE’RE GOING BACK TO THE WEST

01:00:58.257 --> 01:00:58.914
WING.

01:00:58.925 --> 01:01:03.672
THE PRESIDENT HAD VERY STRONG, A

01:01:03.683 --> 01:01:07.308
VERY ANGRY RESPONSE TO THAT.

01:01:07.319 --> 01:01:09.243
TONY DESCRIBED HIM AS BEING

01:01:09.244 --> 01:01:09.612
IRATE.

01:01:09.613 --> 01:01:11.744
THE PRESIDENT SAID SOMETHING TO

01:01:11.755 --> 01:01:14.002
THE EFFECT OF, I’M THE F’ING

01:01:14.013 --> 01:01:15.685
PRESIDENT, FAKE ME UP TO THE

01:01:15.696 --> 01:01:16.907
CAPITOL NOW.

01:01:16.918 --> 01:01:20.277
TO WHICH BOBBY RESPONDED, SIR,

01:01:20.288 --> 01:01:23.106
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE WEST

01:01:23.107 --> 01:01:23.471
WING.

01:01:23.482 --> 01:01:25.681
THE PRESIDENT REACHED UP TOWARDS

01:01:25.714 --> 01:01:28.494
THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE TO GRAN

01:01:28.495 --> 01:01:30.416
AT THE STEERING WHEEL.

01:01:30.417 --> 01:01:32.329
MR. ENGEL GRABBED HIS ARM, SAID,

01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:34.498
SIR, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR HAND

01:01:34.509 --> 01:01:35.854
OFF THE STEERING WHEEL.

01:01:35.888 --> 01:01:37.271
WE’RE GOING BACK TO THE WEST

01:01:37.282 --> 01:01:38.109
WING.

01:01:38.120 --> 01:01:40.730
WE’RE NOT GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

01:01:40.764 --> 01:01:43.959
MR. TRUMP THEN USED HIS FREE

01:01:43.970 --> 01:01:48.053
HAND TO LUNGE TOWARDS BOBBY

01:01:48.064 --> 01:01:50.596
ENGEL AND WHEN MR. ORANATO

01:01:50.607 --> 01:01:52.387
RECOUNTED STORY TO ME, HE

01:01:52.398 --> 01:01:53.766
MOTIONED THE CLASSIFY CALS.

01:01:53.777 --> 01:01:56.028
>> HE TRIED TO GRAB THE STEERING

01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.345
WHEEL, MOTIONED TOWARDS HIS

01:01:57.356 --> 01:01:58.411
CLASSIFYIC AM.

01:01:58.422 --> 01:02:00.317
DONALD TRUMP KNEW, ANDREA, THE

01:02:00.351 --> 01:02:02.612
CROWD AT THE ELLIPSE THE RALLY

01:02:02.623 --> 01:02:03.556
WAS CARRYING WEAPONS.

01:02:03.557 --> 01:02:05.949
HE WAS TOLD THAT THEY WERE

01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:07.284
ARMED.

01:02:07.318 --> 01:02:10.754
HE SAID, TAKE DOWN THE

01:02:10.755 --> 01:02:11.140
MEGNETOMETERS.

01:02:11.141 --> 01:02:13.324
THEY’RE NOT HERE TO HURT ME.

01:02:13.325 --> 01:02:15.405
HE WANTED, ACCORDING TO HIS

01:02:15.416 --> 01:02:17.252
TESTIMONY, TO GO TO THE CAPITOL.

01:02:17.263 --> 01:02:18.610
HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO THE

01:02:18.643 --> 01:02:19.232
CAPITOL.

01:02:19.243 --> 01:02:22.243
WHEN HE FOUND HE WAS NOT GOING,

01:02:22.254 --> 01:02:24.327
HE TRIED TO FORCE THE CAR.

01:02:24.338 --> 01:02:25.745
LET ME REITERATE, HE KNEW THEY

01:02:25.779 --> 01:02:26.769
WERE ARMED.

01:02:26.780 --> 01:02:28.525
HE SAID, THEY’RE NOT HERE TO

01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:29.599
HURT ME.

01:02:29.610 --> 01:02:33.819
OUR PANEL IS BACK WITH US.

01:02:33.853 --> 01:02:35.978
CHUCK ROSENBERG, JOYCE VANCE.

01:02:35.989 --> 01:02:37.776
CHUCK, I WANT TO GET YOUR

01:02:37.810 --> 01:02:38.255
REACTION.

01:02:38.266 --> 01:02:40.034
>> I HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM,

01:02:40.035 --> 01:02:40.823
KATIE.

01:02:40.834 --> 01:02:44.455
I WAS THINKING ABOUT BELIEVE IT

01:02:44.456 --> 01:02:46.581
OR NOT JOHN F. KENNEDY’S 1961

01:02:46.583 --> 01:02:49.012
INAUGURAL ADDRESS, WHICH I THINK

01:02:49.013 --> 01:02:51.157
IS ONE OF THE MOST ELOQUENT

01:02:51.158 --> 01:02:52.447
SPEECHES DELIVERED BY AN

01:02:52.458 --> 01:02:53.792
AMERICAN PRESIDENT, WHICH HE

01:02:53.803 --> 01:02:55.140
SAID AMONG OTHER THINGS,

01:02:55.174 --> 01:02:57.292
CIVILITY IS NOT A SIGN OF

01:02:57.303 --> 01:02:58.737
WEAKNESS, A LESSON APPARENTLY

01:02:58.771 --> 01:03:01.226
LOST ON OUR FORMER PRESIDENT WHO

01:03:01.227 --> 01:03:03.389
STRIKES ME AS A REMARKABLY

01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:06.560
INDECENT, VIAL AND UNCIVIL MAN.

01:03:06.571 --> 01:03:08.707
TO YOUR MORE SUBSTANTIVE POINT,

01:03:08.709 --> 01:03:10.846
KATIE, WE NOW KNOW FROM THE

01:03:10.847 --> 01:03:13.424
TESTIMONY TODAY, ALTHOUGH THE

01:03:13.435 --> 01:03:15.318
COMMITTEE APPARENTLY KNEW IT

01:03:15.352 --> 01:03:17.827
WELL BEFORE US, THAT THE DEPUTY

01:03:17.829 --> 01:03:21.108
CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE PRESIDENT

01:03:21.110 --> 01:03:23.148
HAD TOLD THE PRESIDENT,

01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.031
SPECIFICALLY, THAT PEOPLE AT THE

01:03:25.042 --> 01:03:26.323
RALLY WERE ARMED.

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THEY CARRIED ALL SORTS OF

01:03:28.898 --> 01:03:30.341
WEAPONS, BODY ARMOR, HELMETS,

01:03:30.352 --> 01:03:32.110
AND THAT THE PRESIDENT

01:03:32.121 --> 01:03:33.817
UNDERSTOOD TO THE EXTENT HE CAN

01:03:33.850 --> 01:03:34.802
UNDERSTAND ANYTHING, THAT THEY

01:03:34.803 --> 01:03:37.308
WERE NOT THERE TO HARM HIM.

01:03:37.319 --> 01:03:39.352
SO THE QUESTION I THINK IS AN

01:03:39.363 --> 01:03:39.856
OPEN ONE.

01:03:39.867 --> 01:03:41.138
WHO DID HE BELIEVE THEY WERE

01:03:41.172 --> 01:03:42.139
THERE TO HARM?

01:03:42.150 --> 01:03:44.766
BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE THAT URGED

01:03:44.777 --> 01:03:45.762
THEM ONTO THE COME.

01:03:45.773 --> 01:03:47.543
KNOWING HOW THEY WERE DRESSED

01:03:47.544 --> 01:03:48.642
AND THE WEAPONS THAT THEY

01:03:48.653 --> 01:03:49.323
CARRIED?

01:03:49.356 --> 01:03:51.697
IT’S REALLY A RATHER REMARKABLE

01:03:51.698 --> 01:03:52.999
DAY OF TESTIMONY.

01:03:53.010 --> 01:03:54.326
PERHAPS NOT NEW TO THE

01:03:54.337 --> 01:03:54.895
COMMITTEE.

01:03:54.929 --> 01:03:57.272
BUT NEW TO MANY OF US.

01:03:57.273 --> 01:04:01.688
>> AND, KATIE, I ALSO WANTED TO

01:04:01.699 --> 01:04:05.064
BRING UP THE FACT FOR YOU AND

01:04:05.075 --> 01:04:07.970
OTHERS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE

01:04:08.004 --> 01:04:10.691
COUNSEL, PAT CIPOLLONE, WHO HAS

01:04:10.702 --> 01:04:12.549
REFUSE TO TESTIFY AND HE MAY

01:04:12.560 --> 01:04:14.669
HAVE BEEN, LIZ CHENEY CALLED HIM

01:04:14.703 --> 01:04:17.607
OUT IN SAYING LAST WEEK, WE

01:04:17.608 --> 01:04:21.814
THINK HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO

01:04:21.825 --> 01:04:25.622
TESTIFY HAD SAID PERJURY TO THIS

01:04:25.633 --> 01:04:27.273
WITNESS HUTCHINSON, IT COULD

01:04:27.307 --> 01:04:29.036
OPEN UP ALL SORTS OF LEGAL

01:04:29.047 --> 01:04:31.262
ISSUES FOR THE PRESIDENT, FOR

01:04:31.273 --> 01:04:33.740
US, HE SAID, OF OBSTRUCTION OF

01:04:33.751 --> 01:04:35.813
JUSTICE, OBSTRUCTION OF THE

01:04:35.847 --> 01:04:37.614
ELECTORAL COUNT, INCITING TO

01:04:37.625 --> 01:04:37.962
RIOT.

01:04:37.973 --> 01:04:38.253
KATIE.

01:04:38.264 --> 01:04:40.309
>> IT IS REMARKABLE.

01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.283
YOU KNOW, IT GOES TO SHOW YOU

01:04:43.316 --> 01:04:45.184
WHAT WE’VE HEARD OVER AND OVER

01:04:45.195 --> 01:04:46.412
AGAIN DURING THESE HEARINGS,

01:04:46.423 --> 01:04:47.746
DONALD TRUMP WAS TOLD, THE

01:04:47.757 --> 01:04:49.233
ELECTION WASN’T STOLE HIM.

01:04:49.267 --> 01:04:51.305
HE WAS TOLD THERE WAS NO FRAUD.

01:04:51.316 --> 01:04:52.755
HE WAS TOLD THAT HE LOST.

01:04:52.756 --> 01:04:54.973
HE WAS TOLD THAT THE CROWD THAT

01:04:54.984 --> 01:04:57.265
SHOWED UP TO SUPPORT HIM AT THE

01:04:57.276 --> 01:04:58.108
ELLIPSE WAS ARMED.

01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:59.337
HE KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO THE

01:04:59.348 --> 01:04:59.811
CAPITOL.

01:04:59.846 --> 01:05:02.405
HE WANTED TO GO TO THE CAPITOL

01:05:02.406 --> 01:05:03.314
AS WELL.

01:05:03.316 --> 01:05:05.288
HE KNEW THIS WAS ALL GOING TO

01:05:05.299 --> 01:05:05.536
HAPPEN.

01:05:05.570 --> 01:05:06.549
HE KNEW.

01:05:06.560 --> 01:05:08.792
THEY’RE SAYING IT OVER AND OVER

01:05:08.825 --> 01:05:09.338
AGAIN.

01:05:09.349 --> 01:05:13.026
HE KNEW, IT WASN’T JUST HIM, IT

01:05:13.037 --> 01:05:15.531
WAS MARK MEADOWS AS WELL, PAT

01:05:15.542 --> 01:05:17.289
CIPOLLONE AS YOU JUST MENTIONED,

01:05:17.300 --> 01:05:18.837
THE PANEL HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR,

01:05:18.848 --> 01:05:21.009
THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM,

01:05:21.043 --> 01:05:22.598
PLEASE COME IN, TALK TO US.

01:05:22.609 --> 01:05:23.630
YOU CAN CORROBORATE SO MUCH OF

01:05:23.641 --> 01:05:24.469
THIS.

01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.607
IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE SO FAR, PAT

01:05:27.618 --> 01:05:28.902
CIPOLLONE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD,

01:05:28.935 --> 01:05:30.867
LIKE THE PERSON THAT SAID OVER

01:05:30.868 --> 01:05:32.211
AND OVER AGAIN, THIS IS NOT

01:05:32.222 --> 01:05:32.659
OKAY.

01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:34.478
WE ARE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE.

01:05:34.489 --> 01:05:36.891
THERE ARE LEGAL PROBLEMS HERE.

01:05:36.902 --> 01:05:38.515
I DO WONDER IF CASSIDY

01:05:38.526 --> 01:05:40.626
HUTCHINSON’S TESTIMONY WILL MAKE

01:05:40.660 --> 01:05:41.969
PAT CIPOLLONE RETHINK HIS

01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:42.712
POSITION?

01:05:42.714 --> 01:05:45.543
I KNOW HE TRIED TO ASSERT

01:05:45.544 --> 01:05:46.212
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.

01:05:46.213 --> 01:05:48.645
JOYCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

01:05:48.646 --> 01:05:50.545
>> WELL, HUTCHINSON’S TESTIMONY

01:05:50.556 --> 01:05:52.155
PUTS ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN

01:05:52.188 --> 01:05:52.883
PLAY.

01:05:52.894 --> 01:05:55.168
ONE UNUSUAL FEATURE OF THESE

01:05:55.179 --> 01:05:56.804
CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS IS THAT

01:05:56.838 --> 01:05:58.894
UNLIKE IN A COURT OF LAW, THERE

01:05:58.905 --> 01:06:00.313
IS NO CROSS EXAMINATION.

01:06:00.324 --> 01:06:02.793
WE HEAR HER SIDE OF THE STORY.

01:06:02.804 --> 01:06:05.269
SHE IS AN AWFULLY GOOD WITNESS.

01:06:05.303 --> 01:06:06.717
SHE APPEARS TO BE TELLING THE

01:06:06.718 --> 01:06:07.180
TRUTH.

01:06:07.191 --> 01:06:09.123
SHE DOESN’T APPEAR TO BE

01:06:09.134 --> 01:06:10.951
OVERPLAYING HER HAND IN ANYWAY.

01:06:10.984 --> 01:06:12.530
IF ANYTHING, SHE IS A LITTLE

01:06:12.531 --> 01:06:13.669
HESITANT SOMETIMES AS THE STORY

01:06:13.680 --> 01:06:14.719
COMES OUT.

01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:16.965
THAT MAKES IT ALL THE MORE

01:06:16.999 --> 01:06:18.660
IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE LIKE

01:06:18.671 --> 01:06:19.989
MEADOWS AND PAT CIPOLLONE TO

01:06:20.023 --> 01:06:21.584
TELL THEIR FULL STORY.

01:06:21.585 --> 01:06:25.233
WE ALSO HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE

01:06:25.244 --> 01:06:26.489
SECRET SERVICE HERE, ANTHONY

01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:26.903
ORANATO.

01:06:26.914 --> 01:06:29.124
SHE SPEAKS ABOUT YOU WILL RECALL

01:06:29.135 --> 01:06:31.100
WAS AN ACTIVE DUTY SECRET

01:06:31.111 --> 01:06:32.797
SERVICE AGENT WHEN HE CAME OVER

01:06:32.808 --> 01:06:34.189
AND TOOK A POLITICAL JOB IN THE

01:06:34.200 --> 01:06:35.700
WHITE HOUSE.

01:06:35.711 --> 01:06:36.545
VERY UNUSUAL.

01:06:36.556 --> 01:06:38.888
THE LAST I CHECKED, HE HAD GONE

01:06:38.899 --> 01:06:40.746
BACK TO THE SECRET SERVICE AND

01:06:40.781 --> 01:06:42.765
THE LED OF TRUMP’S DETAIL IN

01:06:42.776 --> 01:06:44.520
WHAT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUSLY

01:06:44.531 --> 01:06:45.692
UNUSUAL MOVE FOR THE SECRET

01:06:45.693 --> 01:06:46.545
SERVICE.

01:06:46.556 --> 01:06:50.298
I THINK THEY’D BE VERY HESITANT

01:06:50.332 --> 01:06:52.874
TO TESTIFY ABOUT ONE ACT ONE OF

01:06:52.885 --> 01:06:54.223
THEIR PROTECTESE.

01:06:54.234 --> 01:06:56.415
YOU HAVE AN ASSAULT COMMITTED,

01:06:56.426 --> 01:06:58.063
IT ALMOST BECOMES INCUMBENT ON

01:06:58.097 --> 01:06:59.293
THEM TO TESTIFY.

01:06:59.294 --> 01:07:01.697
>> FRANKLY, I WANT TO ALSO BRING

01:07:01.708 --> 01:07:02.858
YOU IN HERE.

01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:04.361
BECAUSE THERE WAS JOHN

01:07:04.372 --> 01:07:06.245
RATCLIFFE, THE DIRECTOR OF

01:07:06.256 --> 01:07:07.617
NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE SAYING IT

01:07:07.628 --> 01:07:09.844
WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA TO GO UP TO

01:07:09.855 --> 01:07:10.877
THE HILL.

01:07:10.888 --> 01:07:13.501
THE WHITE HOUSE WAS ADVISED BY

01:07:13.512 --> 01:07:15.688
JOHN RATCLIFFE, A TRUMP LOYALIST

01:07:15.699 --> 01:07:17.246
AND CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF

01:07:17.257 --> 01:07:18.813
CORPORATION HAD DIFFICULTY

01:07:18.847 --> 01:07:21.474
GETTING CONFIRMED TO DNI, THE

01:07:21.485 --> 01:07:22.926
ACTING DNI.

01:07:22.937 --> 01:07:25.100
YOU ALSO HAD MORE TESTIMONY FROM

01:07:25.111 --> 01:07:27.272
OTHERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

01:07:27.283 --> 01:07:29.264
TELLING THEM THAT THIS WAS BAD

01:07:29.298 --> 01:07:31.919
TO GO UP AND THEY PLAYED THE

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.883
POLICE RADIO SAYING THAT THERE

01:07:33.884 --> 01:07:36.386
WAS A MAN WITH A RIFLE FOR

01:07:36.397 --> 01:07:38.196
INSTANCE BLOCKS FROM WHERE THE

01:07:38.229 --> 01:07:40.444
PRESIDENT ON THE ELLIPSE WAS

01:07:40.445 --> 01:07:42.068
SPEAKING, HE, THAT MORNING,

01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.462
ACCORDING TO HER OWN EYEWITNESS

01:07:44.473 --> 01:07:46.242
TESTIMONY WAS FURIOUS USING THE

01:07:46.276 --> 01:07:49.198
F-WORD THAT THEY WOULD NOT TAKE

01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.557
DOWN THE MEGNETOMETERS, AGAIN

01:07:51.568 --> 01:07:53.517
THEN SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT WAS

01:07:53.528 --> 01:07:54.862
POINTED OUT THEY WERE ARMED.

01:07:54.873 --> 01:07:56.668
THERE WAS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE IN

01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:57.778
REAL TIME THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE

01:07:57.789 --> 01:07:58.636
ARMED.

01:07:58.647 --> 01:08:01.390
THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GO THROUGH

01:08:01.423 --> 01:08:02.212
MEGNETOMETERS.

01:08:02.223 --> 01:08:04.512
THEY HAD ALL KIND OF WEAPONRY,

01:08:04.523 --> 01:08:06.202
TONY TOLD HIM THAT.

01:08:06.213 --> 01:08:08.849
HE IS SAYING, I DON’T CARE, I

01:08:08.860 --> 01:08:11.308
WANT THE MASKS DOWN, HE WANTED

01:08:11.342 --> 01:08:13.480
MORE PEOPLE IN THE ELLIPSE.

01:08:13.482 --> 01:08:15.258
HE WAS EAGER FOR THE LARGEST

01:08:15.269 --> 01:08:16.260
POSSIBLE CROWD.

01:08:16.261 --> 01:08:19.356
ALL OF THIS ADDING FIRST-HAND

01:08:19.357 --> 01:08:21.377
TESTIMONY BY HER, BY CASSIE

01:08:21.388 --> 01:08:23.410
HUTCHINSON TO HIS INTENT, AS TO

01:08:23.421 --> 01:08:25.815
WHAT YOU SAY IS HIS INTENT TO BE

01:08:25.826 --> 01:08:27.077
A PART OF THAT CROWD ON THE

01:08:27.088 --> 01:08:27.699
HILL.

01:08:27.700 --> 01:08:29.374
>> YEAH.

01:08:29.385 --> 01:08:31.163
ANDREA, LOOK, REMARKABLY

01:08:31.197 --> 01:08:32.971
SIGNIFICANT TESTIMONY HERE, EVEN

01:08:32.982 --> 01:08:33.927
WITH POTENTIAL LEGAL

01:08:33.961 --> 01:08:34.465
SIGNIFICANCE.

01:08:34.476 --> 01:08:37.125
THE INSERTION OF THE DNI INTO

01:08:37.136 --> 01:08:39.372
THIS EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT.

01:08:39.373 --> 01:08:41.279
BECAUSE PRESUMABLY HE’S THE

01:08:41.290 --> 01:08:43.495
PERSON WITH THE 30,000, OF ALL

01:08:43.506 --> 01:08:45.344
THE INTELLIGENCE GATHERED, HE IS

01:08:45.355 --> 01:08:46.779
SAYING THIS IS A REALLY BAD

01:08:46.812 --> 01:08:47.373
IDEA.

01:08:47.384 --> 01:08:49.480
LOOK, WE CAN MAKE A DISTINCTION

01:08:49.491 --> 01:08:51.044
BETWEEN BEING HELD LIABLE OR

01:08:51.055 --> 01:08:53.390
SOMEONE ASSERTING YOU ARE GUILTY

01:08:53.401 --> 01:08:54.560
BECAUSE OF YOUR PASSIVE

01:08:54.594 --> 01:08:55.276
INACTION.

01:08:55.287 --> 01:08:57.079
YOU’VE HEARD BEFORE THE

01:08:57.113 --> 01:08:58.957
PRESIDENT WATCHED TV WHILE

01:08:58.958 --> 01:09:01.315
JANUARY 6th WAS PLAYING OUT.

01:09:01.326 --> 01:09:02.858
HE WAS PASSIVE, HE FAILED TO

01:09:02.859 --> 01:09:04.118
STOP IT.

01:09:04.129 --> 01:09:06.229
TODAY WE HEARD SOMETHING MORE

01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:06.799
SIGNIFICANT.

01:09:06.810 --> 01:09:08.832
WHICH IS HE ACTIVELY TOOK STEPS

01:09:08.843 --> 01:09:10.358
TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

01:09:10.369 --> 01:09:11.906
AFTER BEING TOLD THERE WAS

01:09:11.917 --> 01:09:13.372
WEAPONS IN THE CROWD, SIR.

01:09:13.406 --> 01:09:15.779
WE GOT ALL KIND OF REPORTS OF

01:09:15.780 --> 01:09:17.748
PEOPLE IN TREES WITH AR-15s.

01:09:17.749 --> 01:09:19.259
THE POLICE ARE TELLING US THE

01:09:19.261 --> 01:09:20.431
CAPITOL HAS BEEN BREACHED.

01:09:20.442 --> 01:09:21.892
HE WANTS TO GO.

01:09:21.903 --> 01:09:23.492
HE WANTS TO GO.

01:09:23.503 --> 01:09:25.170
EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE IS TELLING

01:09:25.204 --> 01:09:27.194
HIM, YOU ARE NOT GOING.

01:09:27.205 --> 01:09:29.206
NOW WE ALSO HAVE MEADOWS, THE

01:09:29.241 --> 01:09:31.205
CHIEF OF STAFF IN A VERY

01:09:31.216 --> 01:09:32.985
NEGATIVE LIGHT HERE.

01:09:32.996 --> 01:09:35.153
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON SAYING ON TWO

01:09:35.186 --> 01:09:37.499
OCCASIONS, HE SLAMS THE DOOR OF

01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:39.953
HIS LIMO ON HER, WHICH SHE SAYS

01:09:39.964 --> 01:09:41.857
IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL, AS SHE IS

01:09:41.892 --> 01:09:43.867
TRYING TO TELL HIM HOW BAD IT IS

01:09:43.878 --> 01:09:45.506
GETTING, HE DOES NOT WANT TO

01:09:45.517 --> 01:09:46.231
HEAR IT.

01:09:46.265 --> 01:09:48.001
HE’S SIGNATURE ON HIS PHONE.

01:09:48.012 --> 01:09:50.213
SHE SAYS WE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT

01:09:50.224 --> 01:09:51.993
VIOLENCE, HE BARELY LOOKS UP, IF

01:09:52.004 --> 01:09:53.375
EVER, FROM HIS PHONE.

01:09:53.409 --> 01:09:54.460
HAVE YOU TOLD PRESIDENT, YEAH,

01:09:54.461 --> 01:09:54.786
GOOD.

01:09:54.788 --> 01:09:57.209
HE DOESN’T WANT TO HEAR IT.

01:09:57.220 --> 01:09:59.561
SO IT’S NOT ONLY ACTIVE CONDUCT

01:09:59.596 --> 01:10:01.651
BY TRUMP VERSUS INACTIVE NOW,

01:10:01.662 --> 01:10:03.925
BUT WE GOT MEADOWS BEING PUT AT

01:10:03.936 --> 01:10:05.639
THE CENTER OF THIS NOT WANTING

01:10:05.650 --> 01:10:07.187
TO HEAR IT.

01:10:07.198 --> 01:10:09.060
IT ALL BEGS THE QUESTION, HOW

01:10:09.094 --> 01:10:10.918
MUCH WAS THIS PLANNED?

01:10:10.929 --> 01:10:12.431
WHO PLANNED IT?

01:10:12.442 --> 01:10:14.353
HOW WAS MEADOWS INVOLVED?

01:10:14.387 --> 01:10:16.825
HOW IS RUDY GUILIANI, WHOSE NAME

01:10:16.836 --> 01:10:18.637
HAS BEEN USED SEVERAL TIMES

01:10:18.670 --> 01:10:20.360
TODAY BY MISS HUTCHINSON?

01:10:20.371 --> 01:10:24.317
THIS SPEAKS TO OR AT LEAST HAS

01:10:24.351 --> 01:10:25.465
US INFER, PRE-PLANNING,

01:10:25.476 --> 01:10:26.148
PRE-KNOWLEDGE.

01:10:26.181 --> 01:10:28.995
>> SO WE HAVE A STATEMENT FROM

01:10:28.996 --> 01:10:30.941
DONALD TRUMP FROM TRUTH SOCIAL

01:10:30.942 --> 01:10:32.889
AND IT FALLS IN LINE WITH WHAT

01:10:32.900 --> 01:10:34.516
WE’VE HEARD HIM SAY ABOUT OTHER

01:10:34.527 --> 01:10:36.292
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS EXTHAT

01:10:36.303 --> 01:10:38.382
COULD GET HIM INTO TROUBLE.

01:10:38.393 --> 01:10:41.268
HERE’S WHAT HE SAYS, I HARDLY

01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.236
KNOW WHO THIS PERSON CASSIDY

01:10:43.270 --> 01:10:44.935
HUTCHINSON IS, OTHER THAN I

01:10:44.946 --> 01:10:45.981
HEARD VERY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT

01:10:46.015 --> 01:10:46.701
HER.

01:10:46.712 --> 01:10:48.978
A TOTAL PHONY AND LEAKER.

01:10:48.989 --> 01:10:51.356
WHEN SHE REQUESTED TO GO WITH

01:10:51.367 --> 01:10:52.884
CERTAIN OTHERS THE TEAM TO

01:10:52.895 --> 01:10:54.884
FLORIDA AFTER HAVING SERVED A

01:10:54.895 --> 01:10:57.648
FULL TERM IN OFFICE, I

01:10:57.659 --> 01:10:58.898
PERSONALLY RETURNED HER REQUEST

01:10:58.909 --> 01:10:59.226
DOWN.

01:10:59.260 --> 01:11:01.312
WHY DID SHE WANT TO GO WITH US

01:11:01.323 --> 01:11:02.538
IF WE WERE SO TERRIBLE.

01:11:02.539 --> 01:11:04.457
I UNDERSTAND SHE WAS VERY UPSET

01:11:04.458 --> 01:11:06.791
AND ANGRY I DID NOT WANT HER TO

01:11:06.802 --> 01:11:08.636
GO OR BE A MEMBER OF THE TEAM.

01:11:08.647 --> 01:11:10.511
SHE IS BAD NEWS.

01:11:10.545 --> 01:11:13.031
HE SAID THIS OF A NUMBER OF

01:11:13.042 --> 01:11:15.746
OTHER FOLKS IN THE PAST, HE

01:11:15.781 --> 01:11:17.315
DIDN’T LIKE, INCLUDING HIS

01:11:17.316 --> 01:11:18.746
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT.

01:11:18.757 --> 01:11:20.750
I WANT TO PLAY THAT MOMENT SHE

01:11:20.784 --> 01:11:22.421
TESTIFIED TO ABOUT THE

01:11:22.432 --> 01:11:24.188
KNOWLEDGE, THE KNOWLEDGE, AGAIN

01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:25.911
THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PEOPLE IN

01:11:25.945 --> 01:11:27.861
THE CROWD AT DONALD TRUMP’S

01:11:27.872 --> 01:11:30.237
RALLY ON THE ELLIPSE ON JANUARY

01:11:30.272 --> 01:11:32.606
6th HAD WEAPONS.

01:11:32.617 --> 01:11:33.853
LET’S LISTEN.

01:11:33.864 --> 01:11:36.810
>> YOU ALSO DESCRIBED A BRIEF

01:11:36.843 --> 01:11:38.955
MEETING BETWEEN MR. ORANATO AND

01:11:38.966 --> 01:11:40.449
MR. MEADOWS ON A POTENTIAL FOR

01:11:40.483 --> 01:11:40.955
VIOLENCE.

01:11:40.956 --> 01:11:42.804
THE MEETING WAS ON JANUARY 4th.

01:11:42.806 --> 01:11:44.227
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE

01:11:44.238 --> 01:11:45.593
POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE ON

01:11:45.604 --> 01:11:47.292
JANUARY 6th.

01:11:47.326 --> 01:11:50.417
LET’S LISTEN TO A CLIP OF THAT

01:11:50.428 --> 01:11:51.415
TESTIMONY.

01:11:51.426 --> 01:11:54.535
>> MR. ORANATA HAD TALKED ABOUT

01:11:54.569 --> 01:11:55.807
INTELLIGENCE REPORTS.

01:11:55.818 --> 01:11:58.763
I REMEMBER HIM COMING IN SAYING,

01:11:58.774 --> 01:12:00.320
WE HAVE INTELREPORTS SAYING

01:12:00.354 --> 01:12:01.481
THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL

01:12:01.492 --> 01:12:03.745
VIOLENCE ON THE 6th.

01:12:03.778 --> 01:12:06.461
>> I WANT TO SAY THE SUMMIT TOOK

01:12:06.462 --> 01:12:08.014
PAINS TO ESTABLISH HER

01:12:08.025 --> 01:12:10.067
CREDIBILITY, WHERE SHE WAS, WHO

01:12:10.078 --> 01:12:11.708
SHE SPOKE TO, THE INTERACTIONS

01:12:11.719 --> 01:12:13.300
SHE HAD EVERY DAY, WHAT

01:12:13.311 --> 01:12:15.165
INFORMATION SHE WAS PRIVY TO.

01:12:15.176 --> 01:12:17.125
I THINK ANTICIPATING HOW DONALD

01:12:17.136 --> 01:12:18.733
TRUMP WAS GOING TO RESPOND TO

01:12:18.744 --> 01:12:19.473
HER TESTIMONY.

01:12:19.484 --> 01:12:21.420
CHUCK, TO YOU, I KNOW WE KEEP

01:12:21.431 --> 01:12:22.531
TALKING ABOUT THIS.

01:12:22.565 --> 01:12:25.089
I THINK IT’S WORTH GOING BACK TO

01:12:25.100 --> 01:12:26.855
ON THIS, IF YOU ARE MER

01:12:26.889 --> 01:12:28.858
RECONCILING GARLAND AND YOU ARE

01:12:28.869 --> 01:12:30.591
WATCHING THIS AND YOU SEE DONALD

01:12:30.602 --> 01:12:32.763
TRUMP WAS TOLD PEOPLE HAD

01:12:32.774 --> 01:12:34.221
WEAPONS, HE SAID TAKE THE

01:12:34.232 --> 01:12:37.634
MEGNETOMETERS DOWN, WHAT DO YOU

01:12:37.645 --> 01:12:40.862
DO WITH THAT IF YOU ARE MERRICK

01:12:40.873 --> 01:12:41.498
GAR HAPPENED

01:12:41.509 --> 01:12:41.722
GARLAND?

01:12:41.733 --> 01:12:44.273
>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT SAID

01:12:44.284 --> 01:12:47.055
THEY ARE NOT MERE HERE TO HURT

01:12:47.089 --> 01:12:49.937
ME, WHO ARE THEY HEAR TO HURT?

01:12:49.948 --> 01:12:52.476
BY MY QUICK AND ROUGH MATH, THE

01:12:52.487 --> 01:12:54.124
COMMITTEE HAS PROBABLY HEARD

01:12:54.158 --> 01:12:56.747
FROM 1,000 WITNESSES AND YOU

01:12:56.758 --> 01:12:59.544
KNOW THAT PROBABLY MEANS 5 OR

01:12:59.555 --> 01:13:00.709
6,000 HOURS OF DEPOSITION

01:13:00.743 --> 01:13:01.641
TESTIMONY.

01:13:01.642 --> 01:13:03.484
WE HAVE NOW SEEN SOMEWHERE

01:13:03.495 --> 01:13:05.943
BETWEEN 10 AND 12 HOURS OF IT.

01:13:05.944 --> 01:13:08.177
SO IF ARE YOU MERRICK GARLAND,

01:13:08.179 --> 01:13:10.346
THIS IS ALL WELL AND GOOD.

01:13:10.357 --> 01:13:11.935
THERE IS ANOTHER 99.9% OF

01:13:11.946 --> 01:13:13.551
EVIDENCE YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IN

01:13:13.562 --> 01:13:15.210
ORDER TO MAKE AN INFORMED

01:13:15.245 --> 01:13:17.397
JUDGMENT AND TO JOYCE’S POINT

01:13:17.408 --> 01:13:19.649
FROM EARLIER, NOT TRYING TO DEAL

01:13:19.660 --> 01:13:22.536
WITH IT, THERE HAS TO BE THE

01:13:22.547 --> 01:13:23.820
ABILITY FOR YOUR EVIDENCE TO

01:13:23.831 --> 01:13:25.096
WITHSTAND CROSS EXAMINATION AND

01:13:25.130 --> 01:13:27.027
THAT’S A HARD THING TO DO.

01:13:27.038 --> 01:13:28.203
THEY’RE GETTING CLOSER.

01:13:28.214 --> 01:13:30.210
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK LEFT

01:13:30.211 --> 01:13:31.668
TO BE DONE AT THE DEPARTMENT IF

01:13:31.669 --> 01:13:32.895
THEY WANT TO CHARGE.

01:13:32.906 --> 01:13:35.215
>> YOU CAN SEE THE WITNESS IS

01:13:35.226 --> 01:13:36.777
BACK AT THE TABLE.

01:13:36.788 --> 01:13:39.003
BENNY THOMPSON IS IN THE CHAIR.

01:13:39.014 --> 01:13:40.972
THE HEARING IS ABOUT TO RESUME,

01:13:41.005 --> 01:13:42.044
KATIE, EXTRAORDINARY TESTIMONY

01:13:42.055 --> 01:13:43.173
ABOUT THE TEMPER OF THE

01:13:43.184 --> 01:13:43.845
PRESIDENT.

01:13:43.846 --> 01:13:47.228
IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S ILLEGAL.

01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:49.104
IT CERTAINLY TALKS TO HIS

01:13:49.115 --> 01:13:49.930
BEHAVIOR.

01:13:49.941 --> 01:13:52.362
>> HAVING TO COMPLEEN THE
CATCHUP.

01:13:52.373 --> 01:13:56.319
>> IN THE STATE DINING ROOM.

01:13:56.353 --> 01:13:56.778
EXACTLY.

01:13:56.779 --> 01:13:58.569
>> THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE

01:13:58.580 --> 01:13:59.941
CHAIR WOMAN FROM WYOMING, VICE

01:13:59.975 --> 01:14:01.471
CHAIR CHENEY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:14:01.482 --> 01:14:02.207
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:14:02.241 --> 01:14:04.406
BEFORE WE TURN TO WHAT MISS

01:14:04.417 --> 01:14:06.325
HUTCHINSON SAW AND HEARD IN THE

01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:07.784
WHITE HOUSE DURING THE VIOLENT

01:14:07.795 --> 01:14:12.249
ATTACK IN THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY
6th, LET’S DISCUSS CERTAIN

01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:13.154
6th, LET’S DISCUSS CERTAIN

01:14:13.165 --> 01:14:14.963
COMMUNICATIONS WHITE HOUSE CHIEF

01:14:14.974 --> 01:14:16.955
OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS HAD ON

01:14:16.966 --> 01:14:17.861
JANUARY 5th.

01:14:17.894 --> 01:14:21.334
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ASSOCIATE,
ROGER STONE, ATTENDED RALLIES

01:14:21.335 --> 01:14:22.339
ROGER STONE, ATTENDED RALLIES

01:14:22.340 --> 01:14:24.840
DURING THE AFTERNOON AND THE

01:14:24.851 --> 01:14:26.258
EVENING OF JANUARY 5th IN

01:14:26.292 --> 01:14:29.433
WASHINGTON, D.C.
ON JANUARY 5th AND 6th,

01:14:29.444 --> 01:14:30.584
ON JANUARY 5th AND 6th,

01:14:30.585 --> 01:14:33.436
MR. STONE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED WITH

01:14:33.438 --> 01:14:35.569
MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF THE OATH

01:14:35.580 --> 01:14:37.541
KEEPERS, ALLEGEDLY SERVES AS HIS
SECURITY DETAIL.

01:14:37.552 --> 01:14:38.149
SECURITY DETAIL.

01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:41.794
AS WE NOW KNOW, MULTIPLE MEMBERS

01:14:41.805 --> 01:14:44.130
OF THAT ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN

01:14:44.164 --> 01:14:46.151
CHARGED WITH OR PLED GUILTY TO

01:14:46.162 --> 01:14:47.828
CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITH JANUARY
6th.

01:14:47.862 --> 01:14:52.844
MR. STONE HAS INVOKED HIS FIFTH

01:14:52.855 --> 01:14:55.001
AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE BEFORE THIS

01:14:55.035 --> 01:14:55.424
COMMITTEE.

01:14:55.435 --> 01:14:57.838
GENERAL MICHAEL FLYNN HAS ALSO

01:14:57.871 --> 01:14:59.429
TAKEN THE FIFTH BEFORE THIS
COMMITTEE.

01:14:59.440 --> 01:15:01.864
MR. STONE PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN

01:15:01.898 --> 01:15:05.152
CONVICTED OF OTHER FEDERAL

01:15:05.154 --> 01:15:08.606
CRIMES, UNRELATED TO JANUARY

01:15:08.617 --> 01:15:10.484
6th.
GENERAL FLYNN PLEADED GUILTY TO

01:15:10.518 --> 01:15:12.721
GENERAL FLYNN PLEADED GUILTY TO

01:15:12.732 --> 01:15:17.150
A FELONY CHARGE ALSOth.

01:15:17.161 --> 01:15:19.720
PRESIDENT TRUMP PASHDEN PARDONED

01:15:19.731 --> 01:15:23.053
FLYNN AFTER ELECTION.
UNTIL JULY OF 2020, HE COMMUTED

01:15:23.064 --> 01:15:23.653
UNTIL JULY OF 2020, HE COMMUTED

01:15:23.688 --> 01:15:24.857
THE SENTENCE ROGER STONE WAS TO

01:15:24.868 --> 01:15:25.391
SERVE.

01:15:25.425 --> 01:15:27.159
THE NIGHT BEFORE JANUARY 6th,

01:15:27.170 --> 01:15:31.006
PRESIDENT TRUMP INSTRUCTED HIS
CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK MEADOWS, TO

01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:32.370
CHIEF OF STAFF, MARK MEADOWS, TO

01:15:32.381 --> 01:15:34.616
CONTACT BOTH ROGER STONE AND

01:15:34.649 --> 01:15:36.475
MICHAEL FLYNN REGARDING WHAT

01:15:36.476 --> 01:15:39.703
WOULD PLAY OUT THE NEXT DAY.

01:15:39.704 --> 01:15:42.373
MISS HUTCHINSON, IS IT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING IN PRESIDENT TRUMP

01:15:42.384 --> 01:15:43.311
UNDERSTANDING IN PRESIDENT TRUMP

01:15:43.345 --> 01:15:46.119
ASKED MARK MEADOWS TO SPEAK WITH

01:15:46.130 --> 01:15:49.572
ROGER STONE AND GENERAL FLYNN ON

01:15:49.583 --> 01:15:52.116
JANUARY 5th?
>> NA ISTHAT IS CORRECT.

01:15:52.127 --> 01:15:52.889
>> NA ISTHAT IS CORRECT.

01:15:52.900 --> 01:15:54.434
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

01:15:54.445 --> 01:15:56.691
>> MISS HUTCHINSON, IS IT YOUR

01:15:56.702 --> 01:16:00.602
UNDERSTANDING MISS MEADOWS
CALLED MR. STONE?

01:16:00.635 --> 01:16:00.956
CALLED MR. STONE?

01:16:00.958 --> 01:16:03.211
>> I AM UNDER THE UNING HE

01:16:03.212 --> 01:16:04.714
CALLED THE EVENING OF THE 5th.

01:16:04.725 --> 01:16:07.617
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TALKED

01:16:07.650 --> 01:16:08.760
ABOUT THAT EVENING, MISS

01:16:08.771 --> 01:16:08.962
HUTCHINSON?

01:16:08.973 --> 01:16:11.679
>> I’M NOT SURE.
>> IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT

01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:12.950
>> IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT

01:16:12.951 --> 01:16:15.068
MR. GUILIANI, MR. EASTMAN AND

01:16:15.102 --> 01:16:17.637
OTHERS HAD SET UP WHAT HAS BEEN

01:16:17.648 --> 01:16:21.323
CALLED QUOTE A WAR ROOM AT THE
WILLARD HOLE ON THE NIGHT OF THE

01:16:21.356 --> 01:16:22.134
WILLARD HOLE ON THE NIGHT OF THE

01:16:22.145 --> 01:16:22.397
5th?

01:16:22.408 --> 01:16:24.304
>> I WAS AWARE OF THAT, THE

01:16:24.315 --> 01:16:25.858
NIGHT OF THE 5th.

01:16:25.869 --> 01:16:27.768
>> DID YOU KNOW IF MR. MEADOWS

01:16:27.779 --> 01:16:31.132
INTENDED TO GO TO THE WILLARD
HOTEL ON THE NIGHT OF THE 5th?

01:16:31.166 --> 01:16:31.929
HOTEL ON THE NIGHT OF THE 5th?

01:16:31.931 --> 01:16:33.203
>> MR. MEADOWS HAD A

01:16:33.205 --> 01:16:34.651
CONVERSATION WITH ME, WHERE HE

01:16:34.662 --> 01:16:36.001
WANTED ME TO WORK WITH SECRET

01:16:36.035 --> 01:16:37.850
SERVICE ON A MOVEMENT FROM THE

01:16:37.861 --> 01:16:40.105
WHITE HOUSE TO THE WILLARD HOTEL

01:16:40.116 --> 01:16:42.432
SO HE COULD ATTEND THE MEETING

01:16:42.443 --> 01:16:45.467
OR MEETINGS WITH MR. GUILIANI

01:16:45.501 --> 01:16:47.452
AND HIS ASSOCIATES IN THE WAR

01:16:47.453 --> 01:16:49.540
ROOM.
>> AND WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW AS TO

01:16:49.551 --> 01:16:51.252
>> AND WHAT WAS YOUR VIEW AS TO

01:16:51.286 --> 01:16:53.403
WHETHER OR NOT MR. MEADOWS

01:16:53.414 --> 01:16:54.868
SHOULD GO TO THE WILLARD THAT

01:16:54.869 --> 01:16:55.182
NIGHT?

01:16:55.193 --> 01:16:57.329
>> I HAD MADE IT CLEAR TO

01:16:57.330 --> 01:16:59.250
MR. MEADOWS THAT I DIDN’T
BELIEVE IT WAS A SMART IDEA FOR

01:16:59.261 --> 01:17:00.044
BELIEVE IT WAS A SMART IDEA FOR

01:17:00.078 --> 01:17:01.905
HIM TO GO TO THE WILLARD HOTEL

01:17:01.906 --> 01:17:02.583
THAT NIGHT.

01:17:02.585 --> 01:17:04.521
I WASN’T SURE EVERYTHING THAT

01:17:04.532 --> 01:17:06.494
WAS GOING ON AT THE WILLARD

01:17:06.505 --> 01:17:08.704
HOTEL.
ALTHOUGH I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT

01:17:08.737 --> 01:17:09.542
ALTHOUGH I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT

01:17:09.553 --> 01:17:11.590
WHAT MR. GUILIANI AND HIS

01:17:11.622 --> 01:17:12.854
ASSOCIATES WERE PUSHING DURING

01:17:12.865 --> 01:17:13.669
THIS PERIOD.

01:17:13.703 --> 01:17:15.698
I DIDN’T THINK THAT IT WAS

01:17:15.709 --> 01:17:17.063
SOMETHING APPROPRIATE FOR THE

01:17:17.098 --> 01:17:19.738
WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF TO
ATTEND OR TO CONSIDER

01:17:19.749 --> 01:17:20.672
ATTEND OR TO CONSIDER

01:17:20.683 --> 01:17:21.616
INVOLVEMENT IN.

01:17:21.650 --> 01:17:23.194
I MADE THAT CLEAR TO MR.

01:17:23.195 --> 01:17:23.973
MR. MEADOWS.

01:17:23.974 --> 01:17:25.880
THROUGHOUT THE AFTERNOON, HE

01:17:25.891 --> 01:17:29.492
MENTIONED A FEW MORE TIMES,
GOING UP TO WOMEN ARD HOTEL THAT

01:17:29.525 --> 01:17:30.754
GOING UP TO WOMEN ARD HOTEL THAT

01:17:30.765 --> 01:17:32.406
EVENING AND THEN EVENTUALLY

01:17:32.417 --> 01:17:34.783
DROPPED THE SUBJECT THE NIGHT OF

01:17:34.784 --> 01:17:37.756
THE 5th AND SAID HE WOULD DIAL
IN, INSTEAD.

01:17:37.767 --> 01:17:38.160
IN, INSTEAD.

01:17:38.171 --> 01:17:40.583
>> SO GENERAL FLYNN HAS APPEARED

01:17:40.594 --> 01:17:42.425
BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND WHEN

01:17:42.436 --> 01:17:45.665
HE APPEARED BEFORE OUR
COMMITTEE, HE TOOK THE FIFTH.

01:17:45.676 --> 01:17:47.024
COMMITTEE, HE TOOK THE FIFTH.

01:17:47.035 --> 01:17:51.110
LET’S BRIEFLY VIEW A CLIP OF

01:17:51.144 --> 01:17:53.443
GENERAL MIKE FLYNN TAKING THE

01:17:53.454 --> 01:17:54.873
FIFTH AMENDMENT.
>> GENERAL FLYNN, DO YOU BELIEVE

01:17:54.884 --> 01:17:57.886
>> GENERAL FLYNN, DO YOU BELIEVE

01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:03.915
THE VIOLENCE ON JANUARY 5th WAS

01:18:03.926 --> 01:18:04.482
JUSTIFIED?

01:18:04.516 --> 01:18:06.928
JUSTIFIED?
>> FIFTH.

01:18:06.930 --> 01:18:09.455
>> FIFTH.

01:18:09.466 --> 01:18:17.063
>> ALL RIGHT.

01:18:17.074 --> 01:18:18.758
I’M BACK.

01:18:18.769 --> 01:18:21.926
>> CHAIR WOMAN CHENEY, COULD YOU

01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:23.342
REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE?

01:18:23.343 --> 01:18:25.937
>> YES, GENERAL FLYNN, DO YOU
BELIEVE THE VIOLENCE ON JANUARY

01:18:25.948 --> 01:18:28.053
BELIEVE THE VIOLENCE ON JANUARY

01:18:28.054 --> 01:18:31.212
6th WAS JUSTIFIED?

01:18:31.213 --> 01:18:35.633
>> CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION A

01:18:35.644 --> 01:18:37.593
NORMAL QUESTION OR A DEEP
QUESTION?

01:18:37.627 --> 01:18:45.781
>> I AM ASKING BOTH.

01:18:45.814 --> 01:18:52.031
>> I SAID THE FIFTH.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE VIOLENCE

01:18:52.042 --> 01:18:54.269
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE VIOLENCE

01:18:54.280 --> 01:18:57.998
ON JANUARY 6th WAS JUSTIFIED

01:18:58.009 --> 01:18:58.401
MORALLY?

01:18:58.434 --> 01:19:00.079
>> I TAKE THE FIFTH.

01:19:00.090 --> 01:19:03.853
>> YOU BELIEVE THE VIOLENCE ON

01:19:03.887 --> 01:19:06.779
JANUARY 6th WAS JUSTICE LEGALLY?
>> FIFTH.

01:19:06.790 --> 01:19:07.123
>> FIFTH.

01:19:07.134 --> 01:19:09.189
>> GENERAL FLYNN, DO YOU BELIEVE

01:19:09.200 --> 01:19:11.030
IN A PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF

01:19:11.063 --> 01:19:12.495
POWER IN THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA?

01:19:12.529 --> 01:19:15.288
>> THE FIFTH.

01:19:15.289 --> 01:19:19.491
>> LET’S MOVE ON NOW TO JANUARY

01:19:19.502 --> 01:19:20.085
6th.

01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:23.347
AND THE CONDUCT OF DONALD TRUMP

01:19:23.358 --> 01:19:26.009
AND MARK MEADOWS DURING THE
ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

01:19:26.043 --> 01:19:26.846
ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

01:19:26.857 --> 01:19:28.881
MISS HUTCHINSON, I’D LIKE NOW

01:19:28.892 --> 01:19:31.272
FOR US TO LISTEN TO A

01:19:31.283 --> 01:19:31.971
DESCRIPTION.

01:19:32.005 --> 01:19:33.438
YOUR DESCRIPTION OF WHAT

01:19:33.449 --> 01:19:35.208
TRANSPIRED IN THE WEST WING
DURING THE ATTACK.

01:19:35.219 --> 01:19:35.692
DURING THE ATTACK.

01:19:35.703 --> 01:19:38.605
THE CONTEXT IN THIS CLIP, YOU

01:19:38.639 --> 01:19:41.715
DESCRIBE THE TIME FRAME STARTING

01:19:41.726 --> 01:19:43.393
AT ABOUT 2:00 P.M.

01:19:43.404 --> 01:19:47.590
>> I REMEMBER MARK BEING ALONE

01:19:47.601 --> 01:19:49.991
IN HIS OFFICE, VERY QUITE SOME

01:19:50.002 --> 01:19:53.126
TIME AND I HADN’T SPOKEN ABOUT
THEM GOING AT ONE POINT.

01:19:53.137 --> 01:19:54.022
THEM GOING AT ONE POINT.

01:19:54.056 --> 01:19:56.259
I DON’T PERSONALLY REMEMBER HE

01:19:56.270 --> 01:19:59.369
HAD GONE IN, BUT I REMEMBER HIM

01:19:59.380 --> 01:20:02.078
BEING ALONE IN HIS OFFICE FOR
MOST OF THE AFTERNOON.

01:20:02.112 --> 01:20:03.503
MOST OF THE AFTERNOON.

01:20:03.514 --> 01:20:07.707
AROUND 2:00 TO 2:05, AROUND 2:00

01:20:07.718 --> 01:20:10.541
TO 2:05, WE WERE WATCHING THE

01:20:10.575 --> 01:20:13.796
TV, I COULD SEE THE RIOTERS WERE

01:20:13.807 --> 01:20:15.454
GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE

01:20:15.455 --> 01:20:15.821
CAPITOL.

01:20:15.832 --> 01:20:17.476
MARK STILL HADN’T POPPED OUT OF

01:20:17.510 --> 01:20:18.413
HIS OFFICE OR SAID ANYTHING

01:20:18.415 --> 01:20:19.454
ABOUT IT.

01:20:19.465 --> 01:20:23.142
I WENT INTO HIS OFFICE, I SAW HE

01:20:23.153 --> 01:20:27.054
WAS SIGNATURE ON HIS COUCH ON

01:20:27.088 --> 01:20:30.380
HIS CELL PHONE, HE WAS SCROLLING

01:20:30.391 --> 01:20:31.571
AND TYPING.

01:20:31.572 --> 01:20:34.842
AND I SAID, HEY, ARE YOU

01:20:34.853 --> 01:20:36.595
WATCHING THE TV, CHIEF?

01:20:36.606 --> 01:20:37.946
HIS TV IS SMALL.

01:20:37.979 --> 01:20:39.304
I COULDN’T SEE IT.

01:20:39.315 --> 01:20:40.717
I DIDN’T KNOW IF HE WAS PAYING

01:20:40.751 --> 01:20:41.284
ATTENTION.

01:20:41.286 --> 01:20:43.739
ARE YOU WATCHING TV, CHIEF?

01:20:43.750 --> 01:20:45.080
HE’S LIKE, YEAH.

01:20:45.114 --> 01:20:46.955
THE RIOTERS ARE GETTING CLOSE.

01:20:46.966 --> 01:20:48.110
HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE

01:20:48.144 --> 01:20:48.589
PRESIDENT?

01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:50.516
HE SAYS, NO, HE WANTS TO BE

01:20:50.551 --> 01:20:51.575
ALONE RIGHT NOW.

01:20:51.576 --> 01:20:54.810
STILL LOOKING AT HIS PHONE.

01:20:54.821 --> 01:20:58.589
SO I START TO GET FRUSTRATED

01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.665
BECAUSE I SORT OF FELT LIKE I

01:21:01.676 --> 01:21:03.763
WAS WATCHING NOT A GREAT

01:21:03.798 --> 01:21:05.717
COMPARISON BUT A BAD CAR

01:21:05.718 --> 01:21:07.829
ACCIDENT THAT WAS ABOUT TO

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.006
HAPPEN, WHERE YOU CAN’T STOP IT,

01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:13.612
BUT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO

01:21:13.623 --> 01:21:14.420
SOMETHING.

01:21:14.431 --> 01:21:17.974
I HAD REMEMBER THINKING IN THAT

01:21:17.985 --> 01:21:20.534
MOMENT MARK NEEDS TO SNAP OUT OF

01:21:20.545 --> 01:21:22.841
THIS AND I DON’T KNOW HOW TO

01:21:22.874 --> 01:21:24.174
SNAP HIM OUT OF IT.

01:21:24.175 --> 01:21:25.990
HE NEEDS TO CARE.

01:21:26.001 --> 01:21:28.141
I SAID, MARK, DO YOU KNOW WHERE

01:21:28.152 --> 01:21:29.918
JIM’S AT RIGHT NOW?

01:21:29.919 --> 01:21:31.136
HE LOOKS UP, JIM?

01:21:31.137 --> 01:21:33.424
MARK, HE WAS ON THE FLOOR A

01:21:33.425 --> 01:21:34.698
LITTLE WHILE AGO, GIVING A FLOOR

01:21:34.700 --> 01:21:35.078
SPEECH.

01:21:35.089 --> 01:21:36.272
DID YOU LISTEN?

01:21:36.283 --> 01:21:38.108
HE SAID, YEAH, IT WAS REAL GOOD.

01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:39.491
DID YOU LIKE IT?

01:21:39.502 --> 01:21:41.324
I SAID, YEAH, DO YOU KNOW WHERE

01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:42.876
HE’S AT RIGHT NOW?

01:21:42.877 --> 01:21:44.252
HE SAYS, NO, I HAVEN’T HEARD

01:21:44.253 --> 01:21:45.017
FROM HIM.

01:21:45.028 --> 01:21:48.102
I SAID, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK

01:21:48.103 --> 01:21:50.817
AT HIM POINTING AT THE TV,

01:21:50.818 --> 01:21:51.888
THEORY RIOTERS ARE GETTING

01:21:51.889 --> 01:21:52.190
CLOSE.

01:21:52.201 --> 01:21:53.452
THEY MIGHT GET IN.

01:21:53.453 --> 01:21:54.562
HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT,

01:21:54.573 --> 01:21:56.365
ALL RIGHT.

01:21:56.376 --> 01:21:59.202
I’LL GIVE HIM A CALL.

01:21:59.236 --> 01:22:02.519
>> LONG AFTER THE RIOTERS BROKE

01:22:02.530 --> 01:22:04.212
INTO THE CAPITOL, YOU DESCRIBED

01:22:04.223 --> 01:22:09.305
WHAT HAPPENED WITH WHITE HOUSE

01:22:09.316 --> 01:22:11.303
COUNSEL PAT CIPOLLONE.

01:22:11.314 --> 01:22:14.518
>> NO MORE THAN A MINUTE, A

01:22:14.529 --> 01:22:16.243
MINUTE-AND-A-HALF LATER, I SEE

01:22:16.277 --> 01:22:17.826
PAT CIPOLLONE BARRELING DOWN THE

01:22:17.837 --> 01:22:20.503
HALLWAY TOWARDS OUR OFFICE AND

01:22:20.514 --> 01:22:22.508
RUSH RIGHT IN, LOOKED AT ME,

01:22:22.519 --> 01:22:24.005
SAID, IS MARK IN HIS OFFICE?

01:22:24.016 --> 01:22:25.250
I SAID, YES.

01:22:25.283 --> 01:22:29.482
HE JUST LOOKED AT ME AND STARTED

01:22:29.493 --> 01:22:32.897
SHAKING HIS HEAD AND WHATEVER

01:22:32.931 --> 01:22:35.100
OPENED MARK’S OFFICE DOOR, STOOD

01:22:35.111 --> 01:22:36.404
THERE WITH THE DOOR PROPPED

01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:37.313
OPENED.

01:22:37.314 --> 01:22:40.296
SAID SOMETHING, MARK IS STILL ON

01:22:40.307 --> 01:22:40.883
HIS PHONE.

01:22:40.894 --> 01:22:42.859
I REMEMBER MARK SAYING TO HIM

01:22:42.893 --> 01:22:44.518
SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, THE

01:22:44.529 --> 01:22:45.830
RIOTERS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE

01:22:45.864 --> 01:22:49.199
CAPITOL, MARK, WE NEED TO GO

01:22:49.210 --> 01:22:52.050
DOWN AND SEE THE PRESIDENT NOW!

01:22:52.061 --> 01:22:54.763
MARK LOOKED UP AND SAID, HE

01:22:54.774 --> 01:22:58.387
DOESN’T WANT TO BE -- PAT SAID

01:22:58.398 --> 01:23:01.636
SOMETHING AND VERY CLEARLY HAD

01:23:01.647 --> 01:23:03.977
SAID THIS TO MARK, SOMETHING TO

01:23:03.988 --> 01:23:05.748
THE EFFECT OF, MARK, SOMETHING

01:23:05.759 --> 01:23:07.557
NEEDS TO BE DONE OR PEOPLE ARE

01:23:07.568 --> 01:23:09.242
GOING TO DIE AND IT WILL BE ON

01:23:09.253 --> 01:23:10.070
YOUR F’ING HANDS.

01:23:10.081 --> 01:23:12.850
THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL.

01:23:12.861 --> 01:23:14.119
I’M GOING DOWN THERE.

01:23:14.130 --> 01:23:15.893
AT THAT POINT MARK STOOD UP, HE

01:23:15.927 --> 01:23:17.576
HAD HIS PHONE IN HIS HAND AND

01:23:17.587 --> 01:23:19.692
GLASSES ON STILL.

01:23:19.725 --> 01:23:22.827
HE WALKED OUT WITH PAT.

01:23:22.838 --> 01:23:25.151
HE PURT BOTH HIS PHONES ON MY

01:23:25.152 --> 01:23:25.641
DESK.

01:23:25.652 --> 01:23:27.895
LET ME KNOW IF JIM CALLS.

01:23:27.906 --> 01:23:29.552
THEY WALKED OUT LIKE THAT TO THE

01:23:29.587 --> 01:23:30.481
DINING ROOM.

01:23:30.492 --> 01:23:33.867
>> A FEW MINUTES LATER,

01:23:33.878 --> 01:23:35.005
REPRESENTATIVE JORDAN CALLED

01:23:35.006 --> 01:23:36.193
BACK.

01:23:36.204 --> 01:23:42.123
>> A COUPLE MINUTES LATER, SO

01:23:42.134 --> 01:23:45.735
LIKELY AROUND BETWEEN 2:15 AND

01:23:45.746 --> 01:23:48.416
2:25, I NOTICE HE WENT ON AT

01:23:48.450 --> 01:23:48.772
2:24.

01:23:48.773 --> 01:23:50.899
I DON’T REMEMBER IF THE TWEET

01:23:50.910 --> 01:23:52.393
WENT ON OR IT HAPPENED RIGHT

01:23:52.427 --> 01:23:57.202
AFTERWARDS, JIM HAD A CALM.

01:23:57.213 --> 01:23:59.763
I ANSWERED THE PHONE, SAID, I

01:23:59.774 --> 01:24:01.551
DON’T REMEMBER IF HE CALLED THE

01:24:01.585 --> 01:24:04.269
MY CELLPHONE OR IF HE HAD CALLED

01:24:04.280 --> 01:24:06.276
ONE OF MARK’S.

01:24:06.287 --> 01:24:08.535
BUT I ANSWERED THE PHONE, I’M

01:24:08.546 --> 01:24:10.344
GOING TO GO HAND HIM THE PHONE.

01:24:10.378 --> 01:24:12.125
HE SAID, OKAY.

01:24:12.127 --> 01:24:14.735
I WENT DOWN AND ASKED IF MARK

01:24:14.746 --> 01:24:16.327
WAS IN THE DINING ROOM, FOUND

01:24:16.338 --> 01:24:17.161
HIM, YES.

01:24:17.195 --> 01:24:20.530
I OPENED THE DOOR TO THE DINING

01:24:20.541 --> 01:24:23.026
ROOM, BRIEFLY STEPPED IN TO GET

01:24:23.037 --> 01:24:25.365
MARK’S ATTENTION, SHOWED HIM THE

01:24:25.376 --> 01:24:27.998
PHONE, LIKE FLIPPED THE PHONE

01:24:28.009 --> 01:24:30.336
HIS WAY HE COULD SEE IT SAID JIM

01:24:30.338 --> 01:24:30.821
JORDAN.

01:24:30.856 --> 01:24:33.137
HE STEPPED THERE WHERE I HAD THE

01:24:33.138 --> 01:24:34.492
PHONE, TOOK THE PHONE, TALKING

01:24:34.503 --> 01:24:36.315
TO JIM WITH THE DOOR STILL

01:24:36.326 --> 01:24:38.462
PROPPED OPEN, SO I TOOK A FEW

01:24:38.473 --> 01:24:39.962
STEPS BACK, SO I PROBABLY WAS

01:24:39.996 --> 01:24:41.547
TWO FEET FROM MARK.

01:24:41.558 --> 01:24:43.481
HE WAS STANDING IN THE DOORWAY

01:24:43.492 --> 01:24:44.495
GOING INTO THE OVAL OFFICE

01:24:44.497 --> 01:24:46.809
DINING ROOM.

01:24:46.810 --> 01:24:52.102
THEY HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION

01:24:52.104 --> 01:24:55.668
AND IN THE CROSS FIRES, I HEARD

01:24:55.703 --> 01:24:57.453
IN THE BACK, I HEARD

01:24:57.464 --> 01:24:59.286
CONVERSATIONS IN THE OVAL DINING

01:24:59.320 --> 01:25:05.380
ROOM AT THAT POINT TALKING ABOUT

01:25:05.391 --> 01:25:07.984
THE HANG MIKE PENCE CHANCES

01:25:07.995 --> 01:25:08.434
CHANTS.

01:25:08.469 --> 01:25:11.557
>> THAT CLIP ENDED WITH YOU

01:25:11.568 --> 01:25:14.519
HEARD MR. MEADOWS AND COUNSEL

01:25:14.553 --> 01:25:16.339
DISCUSSING THE HANG MIKE PENCE

01:25:16.350 --> 01:25:16.810
CHANTS.

01:25:16.821 --> 01:25:18.332
THEN YOU DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED

01:25:18.343 --> 01:25:19.590
FOR US NEXT.

01:25:19.601 --> 01:25:21.681
>> IT WASN’T UNTIL MARK HUNG UP

01:25:21.692 --> 01:25:23.870
THE PHONE, HANDED IT BACK TO ME.

01:25:23.904 --> 01:25:27.586
I WENT BACK TO MY DESK.

01:25:27.597 --> 01:25:31.927
A COUPLE MINUTES LATER, HIM AND

01:25:31.938 --> 01:25:34.914
PAT CAME BACK, POSSIBLY ERUSH

01:25:34.925 --> 01:25:38.722
HERSHEL I THINK HE WAS THERE.

01:25:38.733 --> 01:25:41.761
BUT I AM CONFIDENT IT WAS PAT

01:25:41.772 --> 01:25:42.826
THAT WAS THERE.

01:25:42.837 --> 01:25:45.409
I REMEMBER PAT SAYING SOMETHING

01:25:45.420 --> 01:25:48.087
TO THE EFFECT OF, MARK, WE NEED

01:25:48.098 --> 01:25:51.378
TO DO SOMETHING MORE.

01:25:51.389 --> 01:25:53.214
THEY’RE LITERALLY CALLING FOR

01:25:53.225 --> 01:25:54.741
THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BE F’ING

01:25:54.742 --> 01:25:55.149
HUNG.

01:25:55.150 --> 01:25:56.933
MARK RESPONDED SOMETHING TO THE

01:25:56.968 --> 01:25:59.102
EFFECT OF, YOU HEARD HIM, PAT,

01:25:59.113 --> 01:26:00.610
HE THINKS MIKE DESERVES IT.

01:26:00.621 --> 01:26:01.944
HE DOESN’T THINK THEY’RE DOING

01:26:01.978 --> 01:26:05.006
ANYTHING WRONG.

01:26:05.017 --> 01:26:09.946
TO WHICH PAT SAID SOMETHING,

01:26:09.980 --> 01:26:12.320
THIS IS IFF’ING CRAZY.

01:26:12.331 --> 01:26:15.798
WHEN MARK HAD SAID COME IN, HE

01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.569
DOESN’T THINK THEY’RE DOING

01:26:17.580 --> 01:26:20.287
ANYTHING WRONG, KNOWING WHAT I

01:26:20.298 --> 01:26:23.663
HAD HEARD BRIEFLY IN THE DINING

01:26:23.674 --> 01:26:25.947
ROOM, COUPLED WITH PAT

01:26:25.980 --> 01:26:28.275
DISCUSSING THE HANG MIKE PENCE

01:26:28.286 --> 01:26:30.865
CHANTS IN THE LOBBY OF THE

01:26:30.876 --> 01:26:32.731
OFFICE, MARK’S RESPONSE I

01:26:32.742 --> 01:26:35.087
UNDERSTOOD THERE TO BE THE

01:26:35.098 --> 01:26:37.837
RIOTERS IN THE CAPITOL THAT WERE

01:26:37.871 --> 01:26:39.380
CHANTING FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT

01:26:39.391 --> 01:26:40.448
TO BE HUNG.

01:26:40.481 --> 01:26:41.912
>> LET ME PAUSE HERE ON THIS

01:26:41.914 --> 01:26:43.324
POINT.

01:26:43.335 --> 01:26:46.827
THE RIOTERS CHANTED HANG MIKE

01:26:46.838 --> 01:26:47.136
PENCE.

01:26:47.147 --> 01:26:48.965
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

01:26:48.976 --> 01:26:50.851
STATES, DONALD TRUMP, SAID THAT

01:26:50.862 --> 01:26:53.732
QUOTE, MIKE DESERVES IT AND THAT

01:26:53.733 --> 01:26:55.201
THOSE RIOTERS WERE NOT DOING

01:26:55.202 --> 01:26:56.208
ANYTHING WRONG.

01:26:56.219 --> 01:26:59.044
THIS IS A SENT IMT HE HAS

01:26:59.055 --> 01:27:02.096
EXPRESSED AT OTHER TIMES AS

01:27:02.107 --> 01:27:04.745
WELL, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH ABC

01:27:04.780 --> 01:27:06.057
CORRESPONDENT JONATHAN KARL.

01:27:06.068 --> 01:27:08.325
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT

01:27:08.336 --> 01:27:09.887
THE SUPPORTERS CHANTING HANG

01:27:09.898 --> 01:27:11.609
MIKE PENCE LAST YEAR.

01:27:11.643 --> 01:27:15.829
INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING THEM, THE

01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:18.924
FORMER PRESIDENT DEFENDED THEM.

01:27:18.935 --> 01:27:22.116
>> IT’S COMMON SENSE, JOHN, IT’S

01:27:22.127 --> 01:27:23.535
COMMON SENSE, THAT YOU’RE

01:27:23.569 --> 01:27:26.184
SUPPOSED TO PROTECT -- HOW CAN

01:27:26.185 --> 01:27:28.697
YOU -- IF YOU KNOW A VOTE IS

01:27:28.708 --> 01:27:30.827
FRAUDULENT, RIGHT, HOW CAN YOU

01:27:30.861 --> 01:27:32.363
PASS ON A FRAUDULENT VOTE TO

01:27:32.374 --> 01:27:32.676
CONGRESS?

01:27:32.710 --> 01:27:34.749
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP’S VIEWS THAT

01:27:34.750 --> 01:27:36.687
THE RIOTERS WERE NOT DOING

01:27:36.698 --> 01:27:38.923
ANYTHING WRONG AND THAT QUOTE

01:27:38.934 --> 01:27:41.071
MIKE DESERVED IT HELPS US TO

01:27:41.082 --> 01:27:43.698
UNDERSTAND WHY THE PRESIDENT DID

01:27:43.709 --> 01:27:46.477
NOT ASK THE RIOTERS TO LEAVE THE

01:27:46.488 --> 01:27:48.929
CAPITOL FOR MULTIPLE HOURS.

01:27:48.940 --> 01:27:54.103
IN FACT, HE PUT THIS TWEET OUT

01:27:54.114 --> 01:27:55.728
AT 2:24 P.M.

01:27:55.739 --> 01:27:57.626
MISS HUTCHINSON, DO YOU RECALL

01:27:57.660 --> 01:27:59.225
SEEING THIS TWEET IN WHICH THE

01:27:59.236 --> 01:28:00.872
PRESIDENT SAID THE VICE

01:28:00.873 --> 01:28:02.720
PRESIDENT DID NOT HAVE THE

01:28:02.731 --> 01:28:04.184
COURAGE TO DO WHAT NEEDED TO BE

01:28:04.195 --> 01:28:04.786
DONE?

01:28:04.797 --> 01:28:06.144
>> I DO.

01:28:06.179 --> 01:28:10.457
>> MISS HUTCHINSON, WHAT WAS

01:28:10.468 --> 01:28:13.520
YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU SAW THIS

01:28:13.554 --> 01:28:13.923
TWEET?

01:28:13.924 --> 01:28:14.659
TWEET?

01:28:14.670 --> 01:28:18.374
>> AS A STAFFER THAT WORKS TO

01:28:18.385 --> 01:28:20.934
ALWAYS REPRESENT THE

01:28:20.935 --> 01:28:24.302
ADMINISTRATION TO THE BEST OF MY

01:28:24.313 --> 01:28:27.073
ABILITY, AND TO SHOWCASE THE

01:28:27.084 --> 01:28:30.943
GOOD THINGS HE HAS DONE FOR THE

01:28:30.954 --> 01:28:34.088
COUNTRY, I REMEMBER FEELING

01:28:34.121 --> 01:28:35.997
FRUSTRATED, DISAPPOINTED AND

01:28:36.008 --> 01:28:39.382
REALLY, IT FELT PERSONAL.

01:28:39.415 --> 01:28:44.955
IT WAS REALLY SAD.

01:28:44.956 --> 01:28:50.351
AS AN AMERICAN, I WAS DISGUSTED.

01:28:50.362 --> 01:28:52.120
IT WAS UNPATRIOTIC.

01:28:52.131 --> 01:28:53.785
IT WAS UNAMERICAN.

01:28:53.796 --> 01:28:57.134
WE WERE WATCHING THE CAPITOL

01:28:57.145 --> 01:28:59.907
BUILDING GET DEFACED OVER A LIE.

01:28:59.942 --> 01:29:02.396
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY

01:29:02.398 --> 01:29:05.252
HARD IN THAT MOMENT TO DIGEST

01:29:05.263 --> 01:29:08.007
KNOWING WHAT I HAD BEEN HEARING

01:29:08.018 --> 01:29:09.412
DOWN THE HALL IN THE

01:29:09.447 --> 01:29:10.828
CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE

01:29:10.839 --> 01:29:13.116
HAPPENING SEEING THAT TWEET COME

01:29:13.127 --> 01:29:16.260
UP AND KNOWING WHAT WAS

01:29:16.293 --> 01:29:18.834
HAPPENING ON THE HILL AND IT’S

01:29:18.845 --> 01:29:22.887
SOMETHING THAT I STIG STRUGGLE

01:29:22.921 --> 01:29:25.458
TO WORK THROUGH THE EMOTIONS OF

01:29:25.469 --> 01:29:26.037
THAT.

01:29:26.048 --> 01:29:28.698
>> MISS HUTCHINSON, WE HAVE ALSO

01:29:28.709 --> 01:29:30.617
SPOKEN TO OTHER MULTIPLE WHITE

01:29:30.628 --> 01:29:32.957
HOUSE STAFF ABOUT THEIR REACTION

01:29:32.991 --> 01:29:34.669
TO DONALD TRUMP’S 24 TWEET

01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:36.041
CONDEMNING MIKE PENCE FOR NOT

01:29:36.075 --> 01:29:38.478
HAVING THE COURAGE TO REFUSE TO

01:29:38.489 --> 01:29:40.261
COUNT ELECTORAL VOTES, AN ACT

01:29:40.272 --> 01:29:42.433
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL.

01:29:42.434 --> 01:29:44.246
MATHEW POTTINGER, A FORMER

01:29:44.257 --> 01:29:45.758
MARINE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WHO

01:29:45.769 --> 01:29:48.631
SERVED IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR

01:29:48.642 --> 01:29:50.507
FOUR YEARS, INCLUDING AS DEPUTY

01:29:50.541 --> 01:29:53.282
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER WAS IN

01:29:53.293 --> 01:29:55.399
THE VICINITY OF THE OVAL OFFICE

01:29:55.434 --> 01:29:56.464
AT VARIOUS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE

01:29:56.475 --> 01:29:57.132
DAY.

01:29:57.143 --> 01:29:59.622
WHEN HE SAW THAT TWEET, HE

01:29:59.656 --> 01:30:01.294
IMMEDIATELY DECIDED TO RESIGN

01:30:01.305 --> 01:30:02.130
HIS POSITION.

01:30:02.141 --> 01:30:05.474
LET’S WATCH HIM DESCRIBE HIS

01:30:05.485 --> 01:30:06.940
REACTION TO THE PRESIDENT’S

01:30:06.941 --> 01:30:08.271
TWEET.

01:30:08.272 --> 01:30:16.074
>> ONE OF MY STAFF BROUGHT ME A

01:30:16.075 --> 01:30:19.129
PRINTOUT OF A TWEET BY THE

01:30:19.130 --> 01:30:20.832
PRESIDENT, IT SAID SOMETHING TO

01:30:20.843 --> 01:30:25.107
THE EFFECT, MIKE PENCE, THE VICE

01:30:25.118 --> 01:30:28.038
PRESIDENT, DIDN’T HAVE THE

01:30:28.049 --> 01:30:31.934
COURAGE TO DO WHAT SHOULD HAVE

01:30:31.968 --> 01:30:33.151
BEEN DONE.

01:30:33.162 --> 01:30:37.543
I READ THAT TWEET AND MADE A

01:30:37.554 --> 01:30:39.272
DECISION AT THAT MOMENT TO

01:30:39.283 --> 01:30:39.649
RESIGN.

01:30:39.660 --> 01:30:43.250
THAT’S WHERE I KNEW I WAS

01:30:43.261 --> 01:30:46.119
LEAVING THAT DAY, ONCE I READ

01:30:46.153 --> 01:30:47.392
THAT TWEET.

01:30:47.403 --> 01:30:50.367
>> ULTIMATELY, MEMBERS OF THE

01:30:50.378 --> 01:30:53.071
WHITE HOUSE STAFF, SARAH

01:30:53.082 --> 01:30:55.577
MATHEWS, 2nd CIAO AND DEBOSS

01:30:55.588 --> 01:30:57.959
RESIGNED AS WELL.

01:30:57.961 --> 01:31:00.389
HERE IS SECRETARY DeVOS’

01:31:00.400 --> 01:31:01.645
RESIGNATION LETTER.

01:31:01.679 --> 01:31:04.025
AS CAN SEE IN RESIGNING JANUARY

01:31:04.036 --> 01:31:06.057
6th, SHE SAID TO THE PRESIDENT,

01:31:06.068 --> 01:31:07.900
QUOTE, THERE IS NO MISTAKING THE

01:31:07.935 --> 01:31:09.499
IMPACT YOUR RHETORIC HAD ON THE

01:31:09.501 --> 01:31:11.434
SITUATION AND IT IS THE

01:31:11.445 --> 01:31:13.924
INFLEXION POINT FOR ME.

01:31:13.935 --> 01:31:16.863
LET’S ALSO LOOK AT SECRETARY

01:31:16.897 --> 01:31:19.696
CIAO’S RES EGG NATION STATEMENT.

01:31:19.707 --> 01:31:21.406
WHEN SECRETARY CHAO RESIGNED,

01:31:21.417 --> 01:31:22.908
SHE SPOKE OF THE JANUARY 6th

01:31:22.942 --> 01:31:23.403
ATTACK.

01:31:23.414 --> 01:31:26.759
SHE SAID, QUOTE, AS I AM SURE IS

01:31:26.770 --> 01:31:29.283
THE CASE WITH MANY OF YOU, IT

01:31:29.317 --> 01:31:31.683
HAS DEEPLY TROUBLED ME IN A WAY

01:31:31.694 --> 01:31:33.495
I SIMPLY CANNOT SET ASIDE.

01:31:33.506 --> 01:31:34.932
IN OUR PRIOR INTERVIEWS, WE

01:31:34.965 --> 01:31:36.785
ASKED YOU ABOUT WHAT THE

01:31:36.786 --> 01:31:38.154
PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS WERE URGING

01:31:38.155 --> 01:31:40.141
HIM TO DO DURING THE ATTACK.

01:31:40.152 --> 01:31:41.880
YOU HAVE DESCRIBED ROUGHLY THREE

01:31:41.891 --> 01:31:43.136
DIFFERENT CAMPS OF THOUGHT

01:31:43.147 --> 01:31:45.409
INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE THAT DAY.

01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:47.305
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THOSE?

01:31:47.339 --> 01:31:48.843
>> THERE’S A GROUP OF

01:31:48.854 --> 01:31:50.629
INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE STRONGLY

01:31:50.663 --> 01:31:53.052
URGING HIM TO TAKE IMMEDIATE AND

01:31:53.063 --> 01:31:53.863
SWIFT ACTION.

01:31:53.897 --> 01:31:56.566
I WOULD CLASSIFY WHITE HOUSE

01:31:56.567 --> 01:31:59.194
COUNSEL BOSSES, MR. HIRSCHMAN,

01:31:59.195 --> 01:32:02.214
MISS IVANKA TRUMP IN THAT

01:32:02.225 --> 01:32:04.308
CATEGORY OF REALLY WORKING TO

01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:06.444
GET HIM TO TAKE ACTION AND

01:32:06.455 --> 01:32:07.566
PLEADING WITH HIM TO TAKE

01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:09.185
ACTION.

01:32:09.196 --> 01:32:14.201
THERE WAS A MORE NEUTRAL GROUP

01:32:14.234 --> 01:32:17.349
WHERE ADVISERS WERE TRYING TO

01:32:17.360 --> 01:32:19.476
TOW THE LINE KNOWING THAT

01:32:19.477 --> 01:32:21.876
MR. TRUMP DIDN’T NECESSARILY

01:32:21.887 --> 01:32:25.352
WANT TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION

01:32:25.385 --> 01:32:28.206
AND CONDEMN THE RIOTS, BUT KNEW

01:32:28.217 --> 01:32:31.731
SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE AND

01:32:31.742 --> 01:32:34.965
THERE WAS THE LAST GROUP, WHICH

01:32:34.999 --> 01:32:37.312
WAS DEFLECT AND BLAME.

01:32:37.323 --> 01:32:39.385
LET’S BLAME ANTIFA, THESE AREN’T

01:32:39.396 --> 01:32:40.176
OUR PEOPLE.

01:32:40.187 --> 01:32:43.632
IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT

01:32:43.666 --> 01:32:46.443
MR. MEADOWS WAS IN THE DEFLECT

01:32:46.454 --> 01:32:47.766
AND BLAME CATEGORY.

01:32:47.777 --> 01:32:50.222
HE DID ENDS UP TAKING A MORE

01:32:50.256 --> 01:32:51.363
NEUTRAL ROUTE, KNOWING THAT

01:32:51.364 --> 01:32:53.110
THERE WERE SEVERAL ADVISERS IN

01:32:53.121 --> 01:32:56.233
THE PRESIDENT’S CIRCLE URGING

01:32:56.244 --> 01:32:58.797
HIM TO TAKE MORE ACTION.

01:32:58.832 --> 01:33:01.175
WHICH I THINK WAS REFLECTED IN

01:33:01.186 --> 01:33:02.447
THE LETTER RELEASED LATER THAT

01:33:02.458 --> 01:33:03.840
DAY IN THE VIDEOS.

01:33:03.851 --> 01:33:06.090
>> YOU TOLD US THAT THE WHITE

01:33:06.101 --> 01:33:07.460
HOUSE COUNSEL’S OFFICE WAS IN

01:33:07.461 --> 01:33:08.724
THE CAMP ENCOURAGING THE

01:33:08.726 --> 01:33:10.746
PRESIDENT TO TELL THE RIOTERS TO

01:33:10.757 --> 01:33:12.144
STOP THE ATTACK AND TO LEAVE THE

01:33:12.177 --> 01:33:13.377
CAPITOL.

01:33:13.378 --> 01:33:14.501
LET’S LISTEN.

01:33:14.512 --> 01:33:16.678
>> WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL WANTED A

01:33:16.679 --> 01:33:18.560
STRONG STATEMENT OUT TO CONDEMN

01:33:18.571 --> 01:33:19.718
THE RIOTERS.

01:33:19.751 --> 01:33:21.732
I AM CONFIDENT IN THAT.

01:33:21.733 --> 01:33:24.097
>> NOW, LET’S LOOK AT JUST ONE

01:33:24.108 --> 01:33:26.630
EXAMPLE OF WHAT SOME SENIOR

01:33:26.664 --> 01:33:28.103
ADVISERS TO THE PRESIDENT WERE

01:33:28.114 --> 01:33:28.641
URGING.

01:33:28.675 --> 01:33:30.647
MISS HUTCHINSON, COULD YOU LOOK

01:33:30.648 --> 01:33:32.334
AT THE EXHIBIT WE ARE SHOWING ON

01:33:32.335 --> 01:33:33.790
THE SCREEN NOW?

01:33:33.801 --> 01:33:35.850
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS NOTE BEFORE?

01:33:35.861 --> 01:33:37.903
>> THAT’S A NOTE THAT I WROTE AT

01:33:37.937 --> 01:33:40.375
THE DIRECTION OF THE CHIEF OF

01:33:40.386 --> 01:33:41.948
STAFF ON JANUARY 6th, LIKELY

01:33:41.959 --> 01:33:42.370
AROUND 3:00.

01:33:42.404 --> 01:33:42.757
.

01:33:42.768 --> 01:33:44.501
>> AND IT’S WRITTEN ON THE CHIEF

01:33:44.512 --> 01:33:45.855
OF STAFF NOTE CARD.

01:33:45.866 --> 01:33:47.450
BUT THAT’S YOUR MAPPED WRITING,

01:33:47.461 --> 01:33:48.737
MISS HUTCHINSON?

01:33:48.771 --> 01:33:50.287
>> THAT’S MY HANDWRITING.

01:33:50.288 --> 01:33:52.503
>> WHY DID YOU WRITE THIS NOTE?

01:33:52.514 --> 01:33:55.852
>> THE CHIEF OF STAFF WAS IN A

01:33:55.886 --> 01:33:58.211
MEETING WITH ERIC HIRSCHMAN,

01:33:58.222 --> 01:33:59.832
POTENTIALLY MR. PHILBIN AND

01:33:59.843 --> 01:34:01.647
THEY’D RUSH OUT OF THE OFFICE

01:34:01.658 --> 01:34:02.889
FAIRLY QUICKLY.

01:34:02.900 --> 01:34:05.587
MARK HAD HANDED ME THE NOTECARD

01:34:05.621 --> 01:34:08.664
AND A PEN AND STARTED DICTATING

01:34:08.675 --> 01:34:11.364
A STATEMENT FOR THE PRESIDENT TO

01:34:11.397 --> 01:34:12.390
POTENTIALLY PUT OUT.

01:34:12.401 --> 01:34:14.454
>> AND I’M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

01:34:14.488 --> 01:34:15.917
>> NO, THAT’S OKAY.

01:34:15.928 --> 01:34:18.951
THERE WERE TWO PHRASES ON THERE,

01:34:18.985 --> 01:34:20.453
ONE ILLEGAL, ONE WITHOUT PROPER

01:34:20.464 --> 01:34:20.809
AUTHORITY.

01:34:20.843 --> 01:34:23.681
THE ILLEGAL PHRASE WAS THE ONE

01:34:23.692 --> 01:34:26.243
MR. MEADOWS HAD DICTATED TO ME.

01:34:26.276 --> 01:34:28.556
MR. HIRSCHMAN HAD CHILD IN AND

01:34:28.567 --> 01:34:30.010
SAID ALSO PUT WITHOUT LEGAL

01:34:30.044 --> 01:34:30.436
AUTHORITY.

01:34:30.447 --> 01:34:32.752
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A/BETWEEN

01:34:32.763 --> 01:34:33.889
THE TWO PHRASES.

01:34:33.900 --> 01:34:35.852
IT WAS AN "OR" IF THE PRESIDENT

01:34:35.885 --> 01:34:38.305
HAD OPTED TO PUT ONE OF THOSE

01:34:38.316 --> 01:34:39.057
STATEMENTS OUT.

01:34:39.068 --> 01:34:40.412
EVIDENTIALLY, HE DIDN’T.

01:34:40.446 --> 01:34:42.366
LATER THAT AFTERNOON, MARK CAME

01:34:42.377 --> 01:34:44.753
BACK FROM THE OVAL DINING ROOM

01:34:44.787 --> 01:34:47.543
AND PUT THE PALM CARD ON MY DESK

01:34:47.545 --> 01:34:49.157
WITH ILLEGALLY CROSSED OUT BUT

01:34:49.168 --> 01:34:51.924
SAID WE DIDN’T NEED TO TAKE

01:34:51.959 --> 01:34:53.091
FURTHER ACTION ON THAT

01:34:53.102 --> 01:34:53.487
STATEMENT.

01:34:53.521 --> 01:34:56.231
>> SO, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THIS

01:34:56.242 --> 01:34:57.818
STATEMENT WAS NEVER ISSUED?

01:34:57.829 --> 01:34:59.436
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WAS NEVER

01:34:59.470 --> 01:34:59.940
ISSUED.

01:34:59.951 --> 01:35:02.596
>> MISS HUTCHINSON, DID YOU

01:35:02.630 --> 01:35:04.397
UNDERSTAND THAT IVANKA TRUMP

01:35:04.398 --> 01:35:05.898
WANTED HER FATHER TO SEND PEOPLE

01:35:05.899 --> 01:35:06.420
HOME?

01:35:06.431 --> 01:35:07.850
>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING,

01:35:07.884 --> 01:35:08.464
YES.

01:35:08.465 --> 01:35:10.621
>> LET’S PLAY A CLIP OF YOU

01:35:10.632 --> 01:35:12.932
ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.

01:35:12.933 --> 01:35:17.490
>> I REMEMBER HER SAYING AT

01:35:17.501 --> 01:35:20.102
VARIOUS POINTS, SHE WANTS HIM,

01:35:20.113 --> 01:35:22.833
SHE WANTED HER DAD TO SEND THEM

01:35:22.844 --> 01:35:24.491
HOME, TO TELL THEM TO GO HOME

01:35:24.492 --> 01:35:24.868
PEACEFULLY.

01:35:24.879 --> 01:35:27.425
SHE WANTED TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE

01:35:27.436 --> 01:35:30.191
THAT HE NECESSARILY WASN’T ON

01:35:30.202 --> 01:35:32.162
BOARD WITH AT THE TIME.

01:35:32.173 --> 01:35:34.361
>> YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS

01:35:34.395 --> 01:35:36.343
IN OUR LATER HEARINGS.

01:35:36.354 --> 01:35:38.582
WE HAVE EVIDENCE OF MANY OTHERS

01:35:38.593 --> 01:35:39.891
IMPLORING DONALD TRUMP AND MARK

01:35:39.902 --> 01:35:41.983
MEADOWS TO TAKE ACTION.

01:35:41.994 --> 01:35:44.654
HERE IS SOME OF THAT EVIDENCE,

01:35:44.656 --> 01:35:46.128
TEXT MESSAGES SENT TO MARK

01:35:46.139 --> 01:35:47.780
MEADOWS DURING THE ATTACK.

01:35:47.791 --> 01:35:50.426
THIS IS A TEXT MESSAGE AT 2:32

01:35:50.437 --> 01:35:51.910
FROM LAURA INGRAM.

01:35:51.943 --> 01:35:53.931
HEY, MARK, THE PRESIDENT NEEDS

01:35:53.942 --> 01:35:56.527
TO TELL PEOPLE IN THE CAPITOL TO

01:35:56.538 --> 01:35:57.281
GO HOME.

01:35:57.314 --> 01:35:58.873
THE NEXT MESSAGE, THIS IS

01:35:58.884 --> 01:36:00.830
HURTING ALL OF US.

01:36:00.864 --> 01:36:03.533
AND THEN, HE’S DESTROYING HIS

01:36:03.544 --> 01:36:05.125
LEGACY AND PLAYING INTO EVERY

01:36:05.126 --> 01:36:05.751
STEREOTYPE.

01:36:05.762 --> 01:36:09.971
WE LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY AGAINST

01:36:09.982 --> 01:36:12.841
THE BLM/ANTIFA CROWD IF THINGS

01:36:12.852 --> 01:36:14.263
GO SOUTH.

01:36:14.297 --> 01:36:18.049
THE PRESIDENT’S SON, DON, JR.,

01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:20.352
ALSO URGENTLY CONTRAKTD MARK

01:36:20.363 --> 01:36:24.171
MEADOWS, 2:53, HE WROTE, HE’S

01:36:24.182 --> 01:36:26.610
GOT TO CONDEMN THIS SHIT ASAP.

01:36:26.621 --> 01:36:28.024
THE CAPITOL POLICE TWEET IS NOT

01:36:28.057 --> 01:36:28.768
ENOUGH.

01:36:28.779 --> 01:36:31.673
AS YOU WILL SEE, THESE ARE

01:36:31.706 --> 01:36:33.812
NUMBER RUSE TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND

01:36:33.823 --> 01:36:36.621
ALLIES URGING THE PRESIDENT TO

01:36:36.632 --> 01:36:38.486
TELL HIS SUPPORTERS TO LEAVE THE

01:36:38.497 --> 01:36:38.757
CAPITOL.

01:36:38.768 --> 01:36:40.992
IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HARD FOR

01:36:41.026 --> 01:36:42.534
THE PRESIDENT TO SIMPLY WACK

01:36:42.545 --> 01:36:44.669
DOWN TO THE BRIEFING ROOM ARC

01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:46.285
FEW FEET DOWN THE HALL FROM THE

01:36:46.296 --> 01:36:47.495
OVAL OFFICE.

01:36:47.529 --> 01:36:49.685
AS NORAH O’DONNELL NOTED DURING

01:36:49.696 --> 01:36:51.636
AN INTERVIEW WITH HOUSE

01:36:51.671 --> 01:36:53.278
REPUBLICAN LEADER KEVIN

01:36:53.289 --> 01:36:55.392
McCARTHY, WHERE LEADER McCARTHY

01:36:55.425 --> 01:36:57.250
SAID HE BELIEVED THE ATTACK WAS

01:36:57.251 --> 01:36:58.047
UNAMERICAN.

01:36:58.049 --> 01:37:01.458
>> I AM QUICKLY BRIGG KEVIN

01:37:01.469 --> 01:37:03.064
McCARTHY, THE HOUSE MINORITY

01:37:03.075 --> 01:37:03.742
LEADER.

01:37:03.776 --> 01:37:06.101
LEADER McCARTHY, DO YOU CONDEMN

01:37:06.112 --> 01:37:07.179
THIS VIOLENCE?

01:37:07.212 --> 01:37:10.158
>> I COMPLETELY CONDEMN THE

01:37:10.169 --> 01:37:12.261
VIOLENCE ON THE CAPITOL.

01:37:12.272 --> 01:37:14.247
WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WATCHING

01:37:14.258 --> 01:37:16.076
IS UNAMERICAN.

01:37:16.087 --> 01:37:17.422
I AM DISAPPOINTED.

01:37:17.456 --> 01:37:18.764
I AM SAD.

01:37:18.775 --> 01:37:20.488
THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR COUNTRY

01:37:20.499 --> 01:37:21.722
SHOULD LOOK LIKE, THIS IS NOT

01:37:21.756 --> 01:37:22.642
WHO WE ARE.

01:37:22.643 --> 01:37:24.603
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

01:37:24.614 --> 01:37:26.675
THIS HAS TO STOP AND NOW.

01:37:26.708 --> 01:37:28.681
>> Reporter: MR. McCARTHY, THE

01:37:28.682 --> 01:37:29.863
PRESIDENT HAS A BRIEFING ROOM

01:37:29.874 --> 01:37:32.196
STEPS FROM THE OVAL OFFICE.

01:37:32.207 --> 01:37:34.704
THE CAMERAS ARE HOT 24/7 AS YOU

01:37:34.705 --> 01:37:37.699
KNOW, WHY HASN’T HE WALKED DOWN

01:37:37.710 --> 01:37:39.559
AND SAID THAT NOW?

01:37:39.593 --> 01:37:42.229
>> I CONVEY TO THE PRESIDENT

01:37:42.240 --> 01:37:44.187
WHAT I THINK IS BEST TO DO.

01:37:44.198 --> 01:37:45.478
I AM HOPE.

01:37:45.512 --> 01:37:46.542
HE WILL RESPOND.

01:37:46.553 --> 01:37:48.032
>> REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBER MIKE

01:37:48.043 --> 01:37:51.409
GAG GER ALSO IMPLORED THE

01:37:51.410 --> 01:37:53.243
PRESIDENT TO CALM OFF THE

01:37:53.277 --> 01:37:53.971
ATTACK.

01:37:53.982 --> 01:37:56.890
>> MR. PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE GOT

01:37:56.901 --> 01:37:58.505
TO STOP THIS.

01:37:58.516 --> 01:38:01.249
YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN

01:38:01.283 --> 01:38:02.196
CALL THIS OFF.

01:38:02.207 --> 01:38:04.756
CALL IT OFF.

01:38:04.767 --> 01:38:06.759
THE ELECTION IS OVER.

01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:08.368
CALL IT OFF.

01:38:08.369 --> 01:38:11.031
THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU.

01:38:11.042 --> 01:38:12.984
IT’S BERG THAN ANY MEMBER OF

01:38:13.018 --> 01:38:13.587
CONGRESS.

01:38:13.588 --> 01:38:17.161
IT IS ABOUT THE UNITED STATES OF

01:38:17.172 --> 01:38:20.529
AMERICA, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT

01:38:20.540 --> 01:38:23.192
THAN ANY POLITICIAN, CALL IT

01:38:23.225 --> 01:38:24.007
OFF.

01:38:24.008 --> 01:38:25.245
IT’S OVER.

01:38:25.256 --> 01:38:27.226
>> DESPITE THE FACT THAT MANY

01:38:27.237 --> 01:38:29.065
PEOPLE CLOSE TO DONALD TRUMP

01:38:29.099 --> 01:38:32.416
WERE URGING HIM TO SEND PEOPLE

01:38:32.427 --> 01:38:34.629
HOME, HE DID NOT DO SO UNTIL

01:38:34.663 --> 01:38:36.275
LATER, MUCH LATER.

01:38:36.286 --> 01:38:38.330
AT 4:17 P.M., DONALD TRUMP

01:38:38.341 --> 01:38:40.919
FINALLY TOLD THE RIOTERS TO GO

01:38:40.953 --> 01:38:42.857
HOME AND THAT HE LOVED THEM.

01:38:42.858 --> 01:38:44.913
HERE’S A PORTION OF THE VIDEO

01:38:44.924 --> 01:38:46.142
PRESIDENT TRUMP REPORTED FROM

01:38:46.153 --> 01:38:47.607
THE WHITE HOUSE.

01:38:47.618 --> 01:38:51.019
>> WE HAVE TO HAVE PEACE.

01:38:51.052 --> 01:38:53.769
SO GO HOME, WE LOVE YOU, YOU ARE

01:38:53.780 --> 01:38:54.357
VERY SPECIAL.

01:38:54.368 --> 01:38:55.875
YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

01:38:55.886 --> 01:38:58.238
YOU SEE THE WAY OTHERS ARE

01:38:58.249 --> 01:38:59.836
TREATED THAT ARE SO BAD AND SO

01:38:59.847 --> 01:39:00.469
EVIL.

01:39:00.480 --> 01:39:03.756
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.

01:39:03.767 --> 01:39:06.183
BUT GO HOME AND GO HOME IN

01:39:06.194 --> 01:39:06.652
PEACE.

01:39:06.663 --> 01:39:09.676
>> AS WE WILL SHOW AN EVEN

01:39:09.710 --> 01:39:11.118
GREATER DETAIL IN FUTURE

01:39:11.129 --> 01:39:12.828
HEARINGS, DONALD TRUMP WAS

01:39:12.839 --> 01:39:14.822
RELUCTANT TO ’UT THIS MESSAGE

01:39:14.855 --> 01:39:17.539
OUT AND HE STILL COULD NOT BRING

01:39:17.550 --> 01:39:20.816
HIMSELF TO CONDEMN THE ATTACK.

01:39:20.850 --> 01:39:24.712
MISS HUTCHINSON HAS TOLD US

01:39:24.713 --> 01:39:26.017
THAT, TOO.

01:39:26.028 --> 01:39:30.040
>> THE ONE THAT PE HUT AT IT?

01:39:30.051 --> 01:39:32.707
>> WE DISCUSSED IT AND ELABORATE

01:39:32.709 --> 01:39:34.567
IF I ALREADY HAVEN’T.

01:39:34.569 --> 01:39:36.666
I RECALL HIM BEING RELUCTANT TO

01:39:36.677 --> 01:39:39.248
FILM A VIDEO ON THE 6th.

01:39:39.282 --> 01:39:40.962
I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY

01:39:40.973 --> 01:39:43.582
PLANNING FOR THAT VIDEO.

01:39:43.616 --> 01:39:45.853
I JUST REMEMBER SEEING THE VIDEO

01:39:45.864 --> 01:39:47.885
GO OUT AND WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED

01:39:47.896 --> 01:39:49.342
AFTER IT WENT OUT.

01:39:49.353 --> 01:39:52.883
>> ON THE EVENING OF JANUARY

01:39:52.916 --> 01:39:55.256
6th, AND THE DAY AFTER, THE

01:39:55.267 --> 01:39:57.206
PRESIDENT’S FAMILY AND SENIOR

01:39:57.207 --> 01:39:59.026
STAFF AND OTHERS TRIED TO

01:39:59.060 --> 01:40:00.585
ENCOURAGE THE PRESIDENT TO

01:40:00.596 --> 01:40:02.570
CONDEMN THE VIOLENCE AND COMMIT

01:40:02.604 --> 01:40:03.885
TO THE PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF

01:40:03.896 --> 01:40:04.760
POWER.

01:40:04.771 --> 01:40:08.490
AT 3:31 P.M. JANUARY 6th, SEAN

01:40:08.501 --> 01:40:13.602
HANNITY OF FOX NEWS TEXTED MARK

01:40:13.636 --> 01:40:15.569
MEADOWS, MR. HANNITY SAID,

01:40:15.580 --> 01:40:17.254
QUOTE, CAN HE MAKE A IS

01:40:17.265 --> 01:40:17.878
THATIMENT?

01:40:17.889 --> 01:40:21.585
I SAW THE TWEET, ASK PEOPLE TO

01:40:21.618 --> 01:40:22.759
LEAVE THE CAPITOL.

01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:23.918
LATER HE SENT ANOTHER TEXT

01:40:23.929 --> 01:40:24.729
MESSAGE.

01:40:24.740 --> 01:40:28.032
THIS TIME HE SHARED A LINK TO A

01:40:28.043 --> 01:40:28.834
TWEET.

01:40:28.868 --> 01:40:32.217
THAT TWEET REPORTED THAT

01:40:32.228 --> 01:40:33.869
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CABINET

01:40:33.902 --> 01:40:35.550
SECRETARIES WERE CONSIDERING

01:40:35.551 --> 01:40:38.190
INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT TO

01:40:38.201 --> 01:40:39.429
REMOVE PRESIDENT TRUMP FROM

01:40:39.440 --> 01:40:40.096
OFFICE.

01:40:40.131 --> 01:40:43.413
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN,

01:40:43.424 --> 01:40:45.121
THE 25th AMENDMENT TO THE

01:40:45.155 --> 01:40:46.609
CONSTITUTION CREATES A PROCESS

01:40:46.620 --> 01:40:50.147
FOR THE TRANSITION OF POWER IF A

01:40:50.158 --> 01:40:51.823
PRESIDENT IS UNFIT OR UNABLE TO

01:40:51.834 --> 01:40:52.178
SERVE.

01:40:52.189 --> 01:40:55.077
THE 25th AMENDMENT MASS NEVER

01:40:55.111 --> 01:40:57.078
BEEN USED TO REMOVE A PRESIDENT.

01:40:57.089 --> 01:40:58.813
BUT THE COMMITTEE HAS LEARNED

01:40:58.846 --> 01:41:00.462
AFTER THE ATTACK ON THE U.S.

01:41:00.473 --> 01:41:02.036
CAPITOL, THIS WAS BEING

01:41:02.069 --> 01:41:03.546
DISCUSSED BY MEMBERS OF

01:41:03.557 --> 01:41:05.680
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CABINET AS A

01:41:05.681 --> 01:41:08.723
WAY OF STRIPPING THE FULL POWER

01:41:08.724 --> 01:41:10.169
OF THE PRESIDENCY FROM DONALD

01:41:10.180 --> 01:41:10.828
TRUMP.

01:41:10.862 --> 01:41:12.358
PRESIDENT TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE

01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:13.955
WORRIED, IN ADDITION TO THE

01:41:13.966 --> 01:41:16.591
TWEET THAT HE SENT MARK MEADOWS

01:41:16.602 --> 01:41:19.163
AFTER THE ATTACK, SEAN HANNITY

01:41:19.174 --> 01:41:21.924
APPARENTLY SPOKE WITH PRESIDENT

01:41:21.935 --> 01:41:24.882
TRUMP AND WARNED HIM ABOUT WHAT

01:41:24.916 --> 01:41:25.850
COULD HAPPEN.

01:41:25.861 --> 01:41:27.938
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TEXT

01:41:27.972 --> 01:41:31.133
MESSAGE THAT SEAN HANNITY SENT

01:41:31.144 --> 01:41:34.282
TO KAILEY McENANY ON JANUARY 7th

01:41:34.315 --> 01:41:36.879
SHOWS WHAT MR. HANNITY SAID TO

01:41:36.890 --> 01:41:37.915
THE PRESIDENT.

01:41:37.926 --> 01:41:40.155
FIRST, NO MORE STOLEN ELECTION

01:41:40.166 --> 01:41:40.874
TALK.

01:41:40.885 --> 01:41:43.280
SENDING, IMPEACHMENT AND 25th

01:41:43.291 --> 01:41:44.702
AMENDMENT ARE REAL.

01:41:44.713 --> 01:41:46.610
MANY PEOPLE WILL QUIT.

01:41:46.644 --> 01:41:48.479
MISS HUTCHINSON, YOU TOLD US

01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:50.705
THAT YOU WERE HEARING ABOUT

01:41:50.716 --> 01:41:52.055
DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THE 25th

01:41:52.066 --> 01:41:53.415
AMENDMENT.

01:41:53.416 --> 01:41:57.870
HERE’S A PART OF WHAT YOU SAID.

01:41:57.881 --> 01:42:00.566
>> THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH

01:42:00.599 --> 01:42:03.499
MR. MEADOW IN CASE HE HASN’T

01:42:03.510 --> 01:42:05.258
HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CABINET

01:42:05.269 --> 01:42:07.970
SECRETARIES AND WHAT I

01:42:07.981 --> 01:42:11.086
UNDERSTAND IT WAS MORE OF A THIS

01:42:11.097 --> 01:42:16.767
IS WHAT I’M HEARING, I WANT YOU

01:42:16.802 --> 01:42:19.686
TO BE AWARE OF IT.

01:42:19.688 --> 01:42:21.773
TECHNICALLILY THE BOSS OF THE

01:42:21.784 --> 01:42:23.683
SECRETARYS AND YOU KNOW THE

01:42:23.694 --> 01:42:25.738
CONVERSATIONS PROGRESSED, YOU

01:42:25.749 --> 01:42:28.942
SHOULD BE READY TO TAKE ACTION

01:42:28.976 --> 01:42:31.587
ON THIS FOR YOU AND YOUR

01:42:31.588 --> 01:42:33.305
POSITION WITH THIS.

01:42:33.316 --> 01:42:35.512
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS IT WOULD

01:42:35.513 --> 01:42:36.702
BE HELPFUL AT ALL.

01:42:36.713 --> 01:42:38.474
>> INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, THE

01:42:38.508 --> 01:42:39.534
PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS, INCLUDING

01:42:39.545 --> 01:42:41.361
MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY WANTED HIM

01:42:41.372 --> 01:42:43.220
TO DELIVER A SPEECH TO THE

01:42:43.231 --> 01:42:43.941
COUNTRY.

01:42:43.952 --> 01:42:46.621
DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL PAT

01:42:46.622 --> 01:42:48.676
PHILBIN PREPARED THE FIRST DRAFT

01:42:48.687 --> 01:42:50.556
OF WHAT WILL BE THE PRESIDENT’S

01:42:50.567 --> 01:42:53.098
REMARKS ON NATIONAL HEALINGS,

01:42:53.109 --> 01:42:55.281
DELIVERED BY A PRE-TAPED VIDEO

01:42:55.314 --> 01:42:56.296
ON JANUARY 7th.

01:42:56.307 --> 01:42:59.316
WHEN HE ARRIVED AT THE WHITE

01:42:59.327 --> 01:43:01.935
HOUSE ON THE 7th, MR. PHILBIN

01:43:01.968 --> 01:43:04.451
BELIEVED MORE NEEDED TO BE SAID.

01:43:04.462 --> 01:43:05.910
SO HE SAT DOWN AND STARTED

01:43:05.921 --> 01:43:06.558
WRITING.

01:43:06.569 --> 01:43:09.187
HE SHARED THE DRAFT WITH PAT

01:43:09.222 --> 01:43:10.682
CIPOLLONE, WHO ALSO BELIEVED HE

01:43:10.693 --> 01:43:12.892
NEEDED TO SAY MORE.

01:43:12.903 --> 01:43:15.192
MR. CIPOLLONE AGREED WITH THE

01:43:15.203 --> 01:43:17.491
CONTENT, AS DID ERIC HIRSCHMAN,

01:43:17.502 --> 01:43:19.247
WHO REVIEWED IS DRAFT.

01:43:19.281 --> 01:43:21.621
THE PRESIDENT DID NOT AGREE AND

01:43:21.622 --> 01:43:24.416
RESISTED GIVING A SPEECH AT ALL.

01:43:24.427 --> 01:43:26.299
MISS HUTCHINSON, DO YOU RECALL

01:43:26.310 --> 01:43:28.213
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S

01:43:28.247 --> 01:43:29.826
SPEECH ON JANUARY 7th?

01:43:29.837 --> 01:43:30.964
>> I DO.

01:43:30.975 --> 01:43:33.061
>> LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT YOU TOLD

01:43:33.072 --> 01:43:36.098
US ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT THE

01:43:36.131 --> 01:43:37.314
PROCESS OF CRAFTING THOSE

01:43:37.325 --> 01:43:38.349
REMARKS.

01:43:38.382 --> 01:43:42.059
>> I LEARNED FROM THE

01:43:42.070 --> 01:43:46.269
CONVERSATION WITH MARK AND WHITE

01:43:46.280 --> 01:43:48.684
HOUSE COUNSEL AND THEIR VERSION

01:43:48.717 --> 01:43:50.757
AS WELL THAT SOMETHING HE

01:43:50.768 --> 01:43:52.723
NECESSARILY NEEDED TO DO

01:43:52.757 --> 01:43:57.683
ANYTHING MORE ON THE 7th THAN
WHAT HE HAD ALREADY DONE ON THE

01:43:57.694 --> 01:43:59.952
WHAT HE HAD ALREADY DONE ON THE

01:43:59.963 --> 01:44:05.257
6th WHEN HE WAS CONVINCED TO PUT

01:44:05.291 --> 01:44:08.068
OUT A VIDEO ON THE 7th.

01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:11.957
I UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD A LOT

01:44:11.991 --> 01:44:14.503
OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT THE

01:44:14.514 --> 01:44:17.452
CONTEXT OF THAT WORK WAS UNTIL I

01:44:17.463 --> 01:44:18.831
HAD ORIGINALLY DRAFTED A SPEECH,

01:44:18.865 --> 01:44:20.543
THERE WERE SEVERAL LINES THAT

01:44:20.544 --> 01:44:22.490
DIDN’T MAKE IT IN THERE ABOUT

01:44:22.501 --> 01:44:24.008
PROSECUTING THE RIOTERS OR

01:44:24.019 --> 01:44:25.118
CALLING THEM VIOLENT.

01:44:25.129 --> 01:44:27.228
HE WANTED TO PUT IT IN THERE,

01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:29.430
THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE

01:44:29.465 --> 01:44:31.920
POTENTIALLY A PART OF THEM.

01:44:31.931 --> 01:44:34.400
IT’S JUST WITH THE INCREASED

01:44:34.411 --> 01:44:36.749
EMPHASIS OF HIS MINDSET AT THE

01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:39.918
TIME, WHICH WAS HE DIDN’T THINK

01:44:39.952 --> 01:44:41.276
THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.

01:44:41.277 --> 01:44:42.577
THE PEOPLE WHO DID SOMETHING

01:44:42.588 --> 01:44:45.181
WRONG THAT DAY OR THE PERSON

01:44:45.192 --> 01:44:46.422
THAT DID SOMETHING WRONG THAT

01:44:46.433 --> 01:44:47.525
DAY WAS MIKE PENCE BY NOT

01:44:47.536 --> 01:44:48.952
STAYING WITH HIM.

01:44:48.963 --> 01:44:53.109
>> THE PRESIDENT’S ADVISERS

01:44:53.110 --> 01:44:56.684
URGED HIM TO GIVE THE SPEECH.

01:44:56.695 --> 01:44:59.370
>> WHO CONDUCTED THE INTERVIEW?

01:44:59.381 --> 01:45:01.609
>> I’M NOT SURE CONVINCED THEM.

01:45:01.620 --> 01:45:03.657
IT WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT

01:45:03.668 --> 01:45:04.232
CONVINCED HIM.

01:45:04.266 --> 01:45:05.965
>> WHO WAS IN THE GROUP THAT ARE

01:45:05.976 --> 01:45:07.410
YOU AWARE OF?

01:45:07.421 --> 01:45:11.582
>> THAT I AM AWARE OF?

01:45:11.616 --> 01:45:15.343
MARK, IVANKA, JARED KUSHNER,

01:45:15.344 --> 01:45:18.826
ERIC HIRSCHMAN, PAT CIPOLLONE,

01:45:18.837 --> 01:45:19.860
PAT PHILBIN.

01:45:19.871 --> 01:45:21.776
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I AM AWARE

01:45:21.810 --> 01:45:22.093
OF.

01:45:22.104 --> 01:45:23.559
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT GROUP OF

01:45:23.593 --> 01:45:26.796
PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY

01:45:26.797 --> 01:45:32.618
FOR HIM TO RELEASE A STATEMENT?

01:45:32.629 --> 01:45:34.867
>> KAILEY McENANY AS WELL.

01:45:34.878 --> 01:45:36.389
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AT THE

01:45:36.400 --> 01:45:40.989
TIME AND FROM THE REPORTS THAT

01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.792
WERE COMING IN, THERE’S A LARGE

01:45:43.803 --> 01:45:45.970
CONCERN OF THE 25th AMENDMENT

01:45:46.004 --> 01:45:47.451
POTENTIALLY BEING INVOKED AND

01:45:47.462 --> 01:45:48.988
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT

01:45:48.999 --> 01:45:51.400
WOULD HAPPEN IN THE SENATE IF IT

01:45:51.411 --> 01:45:53.780
WAS, IF THE 25th WAS INVOKED.

01:45:53.791 --> 01:45:56.177
SO THE PRIMARY REASON THAT I HAD

01:45:56.188 --> 01:45:58.058
HEARD OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, NOT

01:45:58.092 --> 01:46:00.830
DOING THAT ON THE 6th, WE NEED

01:46:00.841 --> 01:46:03.368
TO GET A STRONGER MESSAGE OUT

01:46:03.402 --> 01:46:05.009
THERE AND CONDEMN, THE SECONDARY

01:46:05.020 --> 01:46:06.600
REASON TO THAT IS THINK ABOUT

01:46:06.601 --> 01:46:08.502
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FINAL

01:46:08.513 --> 01:46:10.484
15 DAYS OF YOUR PRESIDENCY IF WE

01:46:10.517 --> 01:46:12.316
DON’T DO THIS, THERE IS TALKS

01:46:12.327 --> 01:46:13.596
ABOUT THE 25th AMENDMENT.

01:46:13.630 --> 01:46:15.209
YOU NEED THIS COVERED.

01:46:15.210 --> 01:46:16.861
>> THE PRESIDENT ULTIMATELY

01:46:16.872 --> 01:46:18.518
DELIVERED THE REMARKS, UNLIKE

01:46:18.529 --> 01:46:20.973
MANY OF HIS OTHER SPEECHES, HE

01:46:20.984 --> 01:46:23.158
DID NOT AD LIB MUCH.

01:46:23.169 --> 01:46:25.259
HE RECITED THEM, WITHOUT

01:46:25.293 --> 01:46:26.183
SIGNIFICANT ALTERATION, EXEMPT

01:46:26.194 --> 01:46:26.990
ONE.

01:46:27.024 --> 01:46:30.029
EVEN THEN, ON JANUARY 7th, 2021,

01:46:30.030 --> 01:46:33.926
THE DAY AFTER THE ATTACK ON THE

01:46:33.937 --> 01:46:35.403
U.S. CAPITOL, THE PRESIDENT

01:46:35.414 --> 01:46:38.732
STILL COULD NOT BRING HIMSELF TO

01:46:38.765 --> 01:46:40.595
SAY, QUOTE, THIS ELECTION IS NOW

01:46:40.606 --> 01:46:41.144
OVER.

01:46:41.155 --> 01:46:43.293
ONE OTHER POINT ABOUT THIS

01:46:43.326 --> 01:46:45.203
SPEECH, MISS HUTCHINSON, DID YOU

01:46:45.204 --> 01:46:47.002
HEAR MR. TRUMPED A ONE POINT

01:46:47.013 --> 01:46:48.421
WANTED TO ADD LANGUAGE ABOUT

01:46:48.455 --> 01:46:51.215
HARDENING THOSE WHO TOOK PART IN

01:46:51.216 --> 01:46:52.494
THE JANUARY 6th RIOT?

01:46:52.505 --> 01:46:54.305
>> I DIDN’T HEAR THAT I

01:46:54.339 --> 01:46:56.597
UNDERSTAND MR. MEADOWS IS

01:46:56.608 --> 01:46:57.882
ENCOURAGING THAT LANGUAGE AS

01:46:57.883 --> 01:46:58.110
WELL.

01:46:58.121 --> 01:46:58.988
>> THANK YOU.

01:46:59.021 --> 01:47:02.194
HERE’S WHAT YOU TOLD US

01:47:02.196 --> 01:47:03.295
PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THAT.

01:47:03.306 --> 01:47:05.972
>> YOU SAID HE’S INSTRUCTED NOT

01:47:05.983 --> 01:47:07.991
TO INCLUDE IT.

01:47:08.002 --> 01:47:10.582
WHO WAS INSTRUCTING HIM NOT TO

01:47:10.593 --> 01:47:11.956
INCLUDE THAT JANUARY 7th?

01:47:11.967 --> 01:47:13.472
>> WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL’S OFFICE

01:47:13.483 --> 01:47:15.089
CAME INTO OUR OFFICE, THEY SAID

01:47:15.123 --> 01:47:19.679
THEY DIDN’T THINK IT WAS A GOOD

01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.780
IDEA TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE

01:47:21.791 --> 01:47:22.295
SPEECH.

01:47:22.306 --> 01:47:24.500
>> WHO WAS THAT?

01:47:24.511 --> 01:47:26.461
>> ERIC HIRSCHNER.

01:47:26.472 --> 01:47:30.475
>> MISS HUTCHINSON, DID RUDY

01:47:30.476 --> 01:47:32.905
GUILIANI EVER SUGGEST HE WAS

01:47:32.907 --> 01:47:34.065
INTERESTED IN RECEIVING A

01:47:34.100 --> 01:47:35.176
PRESIDENTIAL PARDON RELATED TO

01:47:35.178 --> 01:47:35.988
JANUARY 6th?

01:47:35.999 --> 01:47:36.957
>> HE DID.

01:47:36.991 --> 01:47:38.905
>> DID WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF

01:47:38.916 --> 01:47:40.575
STAFF MARK MEADOWS EVER INDICATE

01:47:40.586 --> 01:47:42.212
HE WAS INTERESTED IN RECEIVING A

01:47:42.245 --> 01:47:43.576
PRESIDENTIAL PARDON RELATED TO

01:47:43.587 --> 01:47:44.855
JANUARY 6th?

01:47:44.888 --> 01:47:47.041
>> MR. MEADOWS DID SEEK THAT

01:47:47.052 --> 01:47:48.865
PARDON, YES, MA’AM.

01:47:48.876 --> 01:47:51.636
>> THANK YOU, MISS HUTCHINSON,

01:47:51.647 --> 01:47:53.138
MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD BACK.

01:47:53.149 --> 01:47:53.438
>>

01:47:53.449 --> 01:47:54.781
>> YES MA’AM.

01:47:54.814 --> 01:47:57.827
>> THANK YOU WHERE HE PEERED I

01:47:57.838 --> 01:47:59.064
YIELD BACK.

01:47:59.075 --> 01:48:01.874
>> I WANT TO THANK OUR WITNESS

01:48:01.908 --> 01:48:03.138
FOR JOINING US TODAY.

01:48:03.140 --> 01:48:05.109
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTION

01:48:05.111 --> 01:48:06.765
MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTION

01:48:06.776 --> 01:48:11.760
FOR TODAY’S WITNESS. AND WE ASK

01:48:11.771 --> 01:48:13.795
YOU TO RESPOND EXPEDITIOUSLY IN

01:48:13.806 --> 01:48:15.296
WRITING TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

01:48:15.329 --> 01:48:17.926
WITHOUT OBJECTIONS, MEMBERS

01:48:17.927 --> 01:48:20.041
WILL BE PERMITTED PIN 10

01:48:20.052 --> 01:48:21.569
BUSINESS DAYS TO SUBMIT FOR THE

01:48:21.580 --> 01:48:22.656
RECORD, INCLUDING OPENING

01:48:22.690 --> 01:48:23.623
REMARKS AND ADDITIONAL

01:48:23.634 --> 01:48:27.056
QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS.

01:48:27.089 --> 01:48:28.753
WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE CHAIR

01:48:28.754 --> 01:48:30.299
RECOGNIZES THE VICE CHAIR FOR A

01:48:30.310 --> 01:48:30.750
CLOSING STATEMENT.

01:48:30.761 --> 01:48:31.723
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.

01:48:31.757 --> 01:48:32.261
CHAIRMAN.

01:48:32.272 --> 01:48:36.553
I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING MS.

01:48:36.587 --> 01:48:37.960
HUTCHINSON FOR HER TESTIMONY

01:48:37.971 --> 01:48:38.355
TODAY.

01:48:38.366 --> 01:48:40.700
WE ARE ALL IN HER DEBT, OUR

01:48:40.711 --> 01:48:43.646
NATION IS PRESERVED BY THOSE

01:48:43.657 --> 01:48:46.006
WHO ABIDE BY THEIR OATH TO THE

01:48:46.017 --> 01:48:46.558
CONSTITUTION.

01:48:46.593 --> 01:48:48.344
OUR NATION ARE IS PRESERVED BY

01:48:48.355 --> 01:48:49.379
THOSE WHO KNOW THE FUNDAMENTAL

01:48:49.412 --> 01:48:50.063
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND

01:48:50.074 --> 01:48:51.068
WRONG.

01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:54.020
AND I WANT ALL AMERICANS TO

01:48:54.031 --> 01:48:55.790
KNOW THAT WHAT MS. HUTCHINSON

01:48:55.801 --> 01:48:59.053
HAS DONE TODAY IS NOT EASY.

01:48:59.064 --> 01:49:01.137
THE EASY COURSE IS TO HIDE FROM

01:49:01.171 --> 01:49:02.533
THE SPOTLIGHT.

01:49:02.544 --> 01:49:04.671
TO REFUSE TO COME FORWARD, TO

01:49:04.682 --> 01:49:05.830
ATTEMPT TO DOWNPLAY OR DENY

01:49:05.841 --> 01:49:06.507
WHAT HAPPENED.

01:49:06.541 --> 01:49:10.471
THAT BRINGS ME TO A DIFFERENT

01:49:10.482 --> 01:49:12.227
TOPIC.

01:49:12.261 --> 01:49:16.075
WITNESSES, INCLUDING MANY,

01:49:16.076 --> 01:49:17.780
TESTIFIED FULLY AND

01:49:17.791 --> 01:49:19.954
FORTHRIGHTLY, THIS HAS NOT BEEN

01:49:19.988 --> 01:49:21.530
TRUE OF EVERY WITNESS.

01:49:21.531 --> 01:49:25.367
WE HAVE RECEIVED EVIDENCE OF ONE

01:49:25.378 --> 01:49:27.780
PARTICULAR PRACTICE THAT RAISES

01:49:27.791 --> 01:49:30.034
SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.

01:49:30.045 --> 01:49:32.099
OUR COMMITTEE COMMONLY ASKED

01:49:32.110 --> 01:49:34.259
WITNESS IS CONNECTED TO MR.

01:49:34.270 --> 01:49:35.507
TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN, WHETHER THEY

01:49:35.541 --> 01:49:39.039
HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY ANY OF

01:49:39.040 --> 01:49:40.815
THEIR FORMER COLLEAGUES OR

01:49:40.826 --> 01:49:42.504
ANYBODY ELSE, WE ATTEMPTED TO

01:49:42.538 --> 01:49:44.860
INFLUENCE OR IMPACT THEIR

01:49:44.871 --> 01:49:46.136
TESTIMONY WITHOUT IDENTIFYING

01:49:46.169 --> 01:49:47.689
ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS

01:49:47.700 --> 01:49:50.578
INVOLVED, LET ME SHOW YOU A

01:49:50.579 --> 01:49:52.630
COUPLE OF SAMPLES OF ANSWERS WE

01:49:52.665 --> 01:49:56.596
HAVE RECEIVED TO THIS QUESTION.

01:49:56.597 --> 01:49:56.975
FIRST.

01:49:56.976 --> 01:49:58.286
HERE IS HOW ONE WITNESS

01:49:58.297 --> 01:49:59.239
DESCRIBED PHONE CALLS FROM

01:49:59.250 --> 01:50:02.823
PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THAT

01:50:02.834 --> 01:50:03.768
WITNESS’ TESTIMONY.

01:50:03.779 --> 01:50:06.880
QUOTE, WHAT THEY SAID TO ME, AS

01:50:06.891 --> 01:50:09.125
LONG AS I CONTINUE TO BE A TEAM

01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:10.471
PLAYER, THEY KNOW I AM ON THE

01:50:10.482 --> 01:50:11.010
RIGHT TEAM.

01:50:11.044 --> 01:50:12.661
I AM DOING THE RIGHT THING.

01:50:12.663 --> 01:50:14.317
I AM PROTECTING WHO I NEED TO

01:50:14.328 --> 01:50:16.516
PROTECT THIRD YOU KNOW THAT I

01:50:16.517 --> 01:50:20.048
WILL CONTINUE TO STAY IN GOOD

01:50:20.049 --> 01:50:21.927
GRACES IN TRUMP WORLD, AND HAVE

01:50:21.938 --> 01:50:23.422
REMINDED ME, A COUPLE OF TIMES,

01:50:23.456 --> 01:50:25.200
THAT TRUMP DOES READ

01:50:25.201 --> 01:50:25.579
TRANSCRIPTS.

01:50:25.590 --> 01:50:30.205
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS THEY

01:50:30.206 --> 01:50:35.048
PROCEED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE,

01:50:35.059 --> 01:50:38.655
HERE IS ANOTHER SAMPLE IN A

01:50:38.666 --> 01:50:39.376
DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

01:50:39.387 --> 01:50:40.897
THERE WAS A CALL RECEIVED BY

01:50:40.908 --> 01:50:42.272
ONE OF OUR WITNESSES, QUOTE, A

01:50:42.283 --> 01:50:43.463
PERSON LET ME KNOW, YOU HAVE

01:50:43.474 --> 01:50:44.414
YOUR DEPOSITION TOMORROW, HE

01:50:44.448 --> 01:50:46.696
WANTS ME TO LET YOU KNOW THAT
HE IS THINKING ABOUT YOU.

01:50:46.707 --> 01:50:49.553
HE IS THINKING ABOUT YOU.

01:50:49.555 --> 01:50:56.661
HE KNOWS I THINK THAT

01:50:56.672 --> 01:51:00.954
ATTEMPTING TO WITNESS,
ATTEMPTING TO TESTIFY

01:51:00.988 --> 01:51:01.889
ATTEMPTING TO TESTIFY

01:51:01.900 --> 01:51:05.547
UNTRUTHFULLY WE WOULD BE

01:51:05.582 --> 01:51:08.547
CAREFULLY CONSIDERING OUR NEXT

01:51:08.558 --> 01:51:09.894
STEPS.

01:51:09.905 --> 01:51:12.292
MR. CHAIRMAN THANK YOU.

01:51:12.303 --> 01:51:15.066
I YIELD BACK.

01:51:15.100 --> 01:51:17.645
>> THE CHAIRWOMAN YIELDS BACK.

01:51:17.646 --> 01:51:21.643
>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR

01:51:21.645 --> 01:51:23.555
DOING YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY IN

01:51:23.556 --> 01:51:24.752
HELPING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET

01:51:24.763 --> 01:51:26.569
A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF

01:51:26.580 --> 01:51:29.938
JANUARY 6th AND ITS CAUSES.

01:51:29.971 --> 01:51:32.053
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE IN

01:51:32.064 --> 01:51:33.048
TESTIFYING HERE TODAY.

01:51:33.059 --> 01:51:37.815
YOU HAVE THE GRATITUDE OF THIS

01:51:37.849 --> 01:51:40.314
COMMITTEE, I KNOW IT WAS NOT

01:51:40.325 --> 01:51:42.100
EASY TO SIT HERE AND ANSWER

01:51:42.134 --> 01:51:43.205
THESE QUESTIONS.

01:51:43.216 --> 01:51:44.993
BUT AFTER HEARING YOUR

01:51:45.004 --> 01:51:47.803
TESTIMONY IN ALL OF ITS CAN DOOR

01:51:47.836 --> 01:51:49.285
IN DETAIL, I WANT TO SPEAK

01:51:49.296 --> 01:51:50.673
DIRECTLY TO THE HANDFUL OF

01:51:50.684 --> 01:51:54.580
WITNESSES WHO HAVE BEEN

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OUTLIERS IN OUR INVESTIGATION.

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THE SMALL NUMBER WHO HAVE BEEN

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DEFIED OUT RIGHT, THOSE WHOSE

01:52:03.701 --> 01:52:06.179
MEMORIES HAVE FAILED THEM,

01:52:06.190 --> 01:52:08.279
AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEY ARE AMONG

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THE MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS.

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AND TO THOSE WHO FEAR DONALD

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TRUMP AND HIS ENABLERS, BECAUSE

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OF THIS COURAGEOUS WOMAN AND

01:52:16.999 --> 01:52:19.212
OTHERS LIKE HER, YOU ATTEMPT TO

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HIDE THE TRUTH FROM THE

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AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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AND TO THAT GROUP OF WITNESSES,

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IF YOU HEARD THIS TENANT,

01:52:30.031 --> 01:52:31.974
TESTIMONY TODAY, SUDDENLY YOU

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REMEMBER THINK THAT YOU

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PREVIOUSLY COULD NOT RECALL, OR

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THE RIGHT DETAILS YOU WOULD

01:52:36.659 --> 01:52:38.535
LIKE TO CLARIFY, OR YOU

01:52:38.536 --> 01:52:40.352
DISCOVERED SOME COURAGE THAT

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YOU HAD HIDDEN AWAY SOMEWHERE,

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OUR DOORS WILL REMAIN OPEN.

01:52:43.693 --> 01:52:45.447
THE SELECT COMMITTEE WILL

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RECONVENE IN THE WEEKS AHEAD,

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AS WE CONTINUE TO LAY OUT OUR

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FINDINGS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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THE CHAIR REQUESTS THOSE IN THE