THINGS OVER HE HIS CAREER.
NEVER FOR HIS WIFE’S INTERESTS.
>> GARRETT, THANKS SO MUCH,
MIKA.
>>> JOINING US NOW THE PULITZER
PRIZE EDITOR OF THE WASHINGTON
POST BOB WOODWARD.
HE HAS CO-AUTHORED THE BOOK
"PERIL" THEY BROKE THIS STORY
ABOUT THE TEXT MESSAGES, WOW,
I’M NOT SURE WHICH TO BEGIN.
I WILL ASK YOU TO TALK ABOUT TWO
OF THE BGEST TAKE AWAYS, IS
THIS A STORY ABOUT GINNY THOMAS
OR A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
POTENTIALLY BEING EXCISED IN A
DECISION HE MADE THAT HE GAVE
ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR AND
NONE OF THE OTHER JUSTICES WENT
THAT WAY.
>> WELL, WE’RE GOING TO FIND
OUT.
THIS IS A STORY THAT IS COURT E
STARTING.
WHAT STRUCK ROBERT COSTA AND
MYSELF IS WE GOT ACCESS TO THESE
TEXT MESSAGES.
WHEN I WALKED IN HERE WITH YOU,
YOU HAD THE LOOK OF WANDER THAT
I’VE FRANKLY OVER THE YEARS
ENEVER SEEN ON YOUR FACE.
>> YOU CAN’T WRITE THESE TEXT
MESSAGES AND BELIEVE IN THE
CONSTITUTION SO THERE IS THIS
MASSIVE CONFLICT AND WHAT HAS
HAPPENED TO THIS I THINK FAIRLY
WELL KNOWN MEMBER OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY GINNY THOMAS?
SHE’S AN ACTIVISTS.
SHE IS ENTITLED TO THAT SHE HAS
THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. HERE SHE IS PLAYING THE ROLE OF
CAMPAIGN MANAGER AND POLITICAL
OPPORTUNITY
CONSULTANT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE,
COMING IN, TALKING ABOUT THINGS
THAT THERE IS A SELF-RIGHTEOUS
TONE.
WE’RE ON THE MORAL HIGH RODE.
MEADOWS, HIMSELF, SAYS IS A
FIGHT OF GOOD VERSUS EVIL.
>> THAT’S THE ROLE OF JESUS,
KING OF KINGS, YOU KNOW, TO HELP
IN THIS I GUESS YOU HAVE TO CALL
IT A CRUSADE THAT THEY WERE ON.
SO, TELL ME ABOUT MEADOWS IN
THIS EXCHANGE.
HOW DID YOU READ HIS TEXTS?
ARE THEY OWE OWE IS HE FALLING
IN WITH GINNY THOMAS WHO IS
CLEARLY ALL IN ON, LET’S
OVERTURN THIS ELECTION, IS HE
ALL IN ON THAT?
IS HE HUMORING HER AT TIMES?
>> WELL, I THINK SOMETIMES.
THE WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF,
I’VE WRITTEN ABOUT 15 OF THEM
OVER THE YEARS, THERE IS A LOT
OF INCOMING.
BUT IT’S THAT ONE WHERE HE SAYS
GOOD VERSUS EVIL AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN OUR POLITICS
AND PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE
CONSTITUTION, IT’S CLEAR.
ONCE WE HAVE THE ELECTION, THE
CONSTITUTION IN THE ELECTORAL
COUNT ACT MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR
IT NOW GOES TO THE CONGRESS TO
CERTIFY THE WINNER.
IN THIS PROCESS, IT’S SACK RO
SAMPLTH IT’S CLEAR.
IT WAS VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WHO
RESISTED ALL OF THIS PRESSURE.
BUT HERE WE HAVE GINNY THOMAS
NOT JUST BEING A PART OF THE
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN.
HER TO SAY RELEASE THE KRAKEN.
SYDNEY POWELL AND I WILL CALL
HER A WING NUT.
SHE IS.
SHE WAS THE MOST EXTREME, MOST
UNHINGED.
BY THIS TIME, DONALD TRUMP
DECIDED SYDNEY PILE IS OFF YOU
THE RAILS, YES, GINNY THOMAS IS
WITH HIM.
>> OH, MAKE HER IN THE FACE OF
THIS LEAD AP THIS EFFORT.
>> WILLIE.
>> SHE REACHES OUT TO SAY SHE
DOES NOT LIKE THE DISPARAGEMENT
OF SYDNEY POWELL.
WHO KNOWS WHAT IT IS, THERE IS
SO MUCH TO POINT TO THERE I
WOULD ALSO ASKED WHEN SHE SAW
THE INFAMOUS PRESS CONFERENCE,
HE WAS SWETDING HAIR DYE DOWN
HIS CHEEK.
SHE WROTE TO MARK MEADOWS SHE
WAS SO MOVED TO HIS ATTEMPT TO
OVERTURN THE ELECTION.
THE KEY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR
NOT JUSTICE THOMAS SHARES ANY OF
THESE FEELINGS, MR. HIS
DECISIONS TO RECUSE HIMSELF OR
NATIONAL ARCHIVES QUESTION.
DID YOU FIND ANYTHING THAT SHOWS
HE SHARES THE VIEWS OF GINNY
THOMAS?
>> WE DON’T KNOW THAT AND AT THE
SAME TIME THE JANUARY 6th
COMMITTEE HAS DEMONSTRATED BY
THESE TEXTS IS VERY AGGRESSIVE
AND GOING AFTER THE ACTUAL
STORY.
THERE WILL BE A QUESTION.
DO THEY WANT TO SUBPOENA GINNY
THOMAS?
AND THAT IS ABOUT AS DELICATE I
MEAN YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THE AIR
VIBRATE WHEN UYOU RAISE THAT
POSSIBILITY.
>> HOW CAN YOU NOT?
>> THERE IS A TEXT SHE HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH MY BEST
FRIEND.
HOW DID YOU READ THAT?
>> HE HAS PUBLICLY CALLED HIS
BEST FRIEND AND SO THERE IS AN
IMPLICATION THERE.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE SHE’S
INTONATING TOWARDS HIM.
WE DON’T KNOW.
>> JONATHAN LEMIRE.
>> AS REPORTERS, LET’S SKIP THE
STORY AND LET’S FIND OUT HERE.
BUT THERE IS AN AUDACITY IN
THESE MESSAGES.
THERE IS A KIND OF AT THE END.
>> FERVOR.
>> AT THE END HE SAYS AMERICA
WILL BE LOST IF BEELDEN WINS.
SHE SAYS THE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT OVER THE
YEARS WE SEEN LOTS OF TRUE
BELIEVERS, REPUBLICAN PARTY,
DEMOCRATIC PARTY, LEFT AND
RIGHT.
BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO
STAY BEHIND THE SCENES AND RUN
CAMPAIGNS.
THEY ARE NOT IN A SENSE
NEGOTIATING WITH THE WHITE HOUSE
CHIEF OF STAFF OF, THIS IS THE
MESSAGING, STAFFING DIRECTIONS.
THIS IS THE STRATEGY.
>> AND SHE HAPPENS TO BE MARRIED
TO A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE,
JONATHAN LEMIRE HAS THE NEXT
QUESTION.
>> GREAT TO SEE YOU, JAW
DROPPING REPORTING.
NICELY DONE.
THE I WANT YOU TO WEIGH IN ON
SOMETHING WE TALKEDANT EARLIER,
WE TALKED ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS,
CHIEF ROBERTS HAS BEEN MIND.
OF PROTECTING THE REPUTATION,
ABOVE, OUT OF POLITICS, NOW
POLITICS HAS LANDED ON HIS
DOORSTEP.
>> YES, THIS IS A DIFFICULTY NOT
JUST FOR ROBERTS BUT THE WHOLE
COURT.
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
WHAT IS THE OBLIGATION?
THE OBLIGATION HAPPILY IS IN THE
CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS.
IN ONE OF THESE TEXT MESSAGES,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SHE SAYS, WE
SHOULD TALK TO FORM WERE AID
MONICA CRAWLEY. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO NIXON
AND HAVE WE FORGOTTEN LESSONS OF
WATER GATE.
DON’T TAMPER WITH OUR ELECTION
SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HAS HELD
ITS GROUND BEAUTIFULLY OF THE
YEARS AND TO HAVE THIS.
TO SEE THE PASSION, THE SENSE OF
YOU CAN ONLY LOOK AT THIS ONE
WAY, WHAT ARE -- WHAT HAS
HAPPENED?
GENE, YOU TALK ABOUT THIS ALMOST
EVERY WEEK.
>> YEAH.
>> THE DIVISION IN OUR POLITICS
IS SO GREAT.
IT’S NOT JUST ON THE RIGHT, IT’S