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THIS IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY

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CHALLENGE HERE.

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NOT JUST THE PUBLIC HEALTH

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CHALLENGE, SO AS GOES THIS, SO

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WILL OTHER THINGS.

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>> I WAS SURPRISED THAT INDIA’S

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PRIME MINISTER MODI WAS THE

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FIRST TO CONGRATULATE BIDEN.

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MOON DID THE SAME THING AND

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BORIS JOHNSON CAME OUT VERY

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QUICKLY, CONGRATULATED JOE BIDEN

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AND SAID HE LOOKED FORWARD TO

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WORKING WITH HIM ON CLIMATE

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CHANGE AND OTHER ISSUES AS WELL.

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IT SEEMS WORLD LEADERS ARE

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LINING UP QUICKLY AS THEY CAN

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OTHER THAN THE USUAL SUSPECTS TO

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CONGRATULATE THE

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PRESIDENT-ELECT.

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>> YEAH.

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IT’S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT, I

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MEAN, TRADITIONALLY WHAT WOULD

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HAPPEN IS THAT THE LOSING

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CANDIDATE WOULD CONCEDE, YOU

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KNOW, AT WHICH POINT YOU WOULD

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SEE THE RAPID CONGRATULATIONS

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GOING TO THE WINNER.

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THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY DONALD

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TRUMP IS GOING TO -- HAS

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VIOLATED THAT NORM AND HAS SORT

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OF -- IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

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POUTING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE

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LOST HAS OPENED THE DOOR FOR

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OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT

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ESSENTIALLY CONFER LEGITIMACY ON

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JOE BIDEN.

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THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MODI AND

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MACRON AND MERKEL AND ALMOST --

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AND BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AND THE

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KING OF SAUDI ARABIA ALL

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CONGRATULATING BIDEN IN SOME

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WAYS INDICATES THAT DONALD TRUMP

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CAN POUT ALL HE WANTS.

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THE REST OF THE WORLD IS GOING

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TO MOVE ON FROM HIM.

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AND THIS JUST ADDS TO THE IDEA

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THAT THE WORLD HAS ACCEPTED THAT

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JOE BIDEN IS THE

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PRESIDENT-ELECT.

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IT’S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW LONG

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IT TAKES FOR DONALD TRUMP TO

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ACCEPT THAT FACT.

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>> DONNY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

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RICHARD, DONNY.

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>> MR. HAASS, ALWAYS NICE TO

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TALK TO YOU.

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A BIG THEME OF THE -- OR

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TAKEAWAY OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

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WAS THE BROMANCE WITH VLADIMIR

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PUTIN.

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IF YOU WERE ADVISING BIDEN, HIS

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FIRST KIND OF RUSSIA REACHOUT OR

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STANCE ON PUTIN, WHAT’S THE MOVE

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FOR HIM AT THIS POINT?

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>> FIRST OF ALL, IT’S NOTEWORTHY

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THAT WE HAVEN’T YET HEARD FROM

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MR. PUTIN.

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HE AND SOME OF THE OTHER

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AUTHORITARIAN LEADERS HAVE NOT

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CONGRATULATED MR. BIDEN WHICH

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TILLS YOU SOMETHING.

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THEY’RE UNHAPPY CAMPERS TODAY.

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THE INTERESTING THING WITH

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RUSSIA IN THE SHORT RUN IS TO

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NAIL DOWN THE NUCLEAR ARMS

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CONTROL AGREEMENT DUE TO EXPIRE

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IN MID FEBRUARY.

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JUST EXTEND IT.

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THERE’S LOTS OF ISSUES DOWN THE

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ROAD ABOUT CAPTURING NEW

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SYSTEMS, MAYBE CHINA’S

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INVOLVEMENT.

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BUT, YOU KNOW, THE IN BOX FACING

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JOE BIDEN IS SO CROWDED THAT THE

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LAST THING WE NEED IS A NEW ERA

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OF NUCLEAR ARMS COMPETITION WITH

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RUSSIA AND THEN TALK TO THE

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EUROPEAN ALLIES.

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TALK TO OTHERS.

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HOW DO WE DEAL WITH WHAT THEY’RE

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DOING IN THE UKRAINE.

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HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THEIR

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INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION AND

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HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THEM

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MURDERING THEIR OPPOSITION.

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THAT’S ROUND TWO.

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ROUND ONE IS TO STABILIZE THIS

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LAST REMNANT IN SOME WAYS OF THE

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COLD WAR.

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>> DAN, KATTY KAY HAS A QUESTION

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FOR YOU.

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>> THE POLICY CHALLENGE FACING

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THE UNITED STATES AND THE REST

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OF THE WORLD IS CHINA.

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IT WAS NEVER CLEAR DURING THE

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COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN HOW MUCH

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JOE BIDEN’S CHINA POLICY

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DIFFERED FROM DONALD TRUMP’S

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POLICY.

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I’M SURE THE LANGUAGE WILL

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CHANGE.

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BUT ARE WE GOING TO SEE A REAL

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SEA CHANGE IN HOW THEY LOOK AT

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CHINA AND PERHAPS BRINGING THE

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REST OF THE WORLD ON BOARD WITH

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CHINA TO HAVE A MORE EFFECTIVE

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POLICY WITH CHINA?

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>> I THINK YOU JUST IDENTIFIED

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THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

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JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP ON

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CHINA.

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I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE --

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THEY HAVE THE SAME POSITION AND

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THAT YOU HAD TO VIEW CHINA AS A

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RIVAL THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT

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WITH, NO DENYING THAT.

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BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID IT IN

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THE SORT OF SCATTERSHOT,

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UNIVERSAL FASHION THAT WOUND UP

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HARMING THE U.S. ECONOMY FAR

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MORE THAN IT HELPED.

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WHEREAS JOE BIDEN HAS SAID

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THROUGHOUT SPEECHES IN THE

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CAMPAIGN THAT HE WANTS TO DEAL

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WITH CHINA BUT HE WANTS TO DEAL

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WITH THEM IN A COORDINATED WAY,

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WORKING WITH ALLIES AND

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PARTNERS.

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THIS PRESUMABLY GIVES BIDEN AND

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THE ALLIES ACROSS THE WORLD AN

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OPENING IN WHICH THEY CAN TRY TO

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COORDINATE POLICY WITH RESPECT

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TO CHINA.

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THIS RAISES THE AWKWARD QUESTION

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OF WHETHER THE ALLIES WILL BE ON

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BOARD.

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DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION,

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FOR EXAMPLE, ALLIES WEREN’T

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NECESSARILY ON THE SAME PAGE IN

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TERMS OF DEALING WITH CHINA SO

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IT WILL BE INTERESTING GOING

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FORWARD WHAT -- WHETHER ALL

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SIDES BASICALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE

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OF PUSHING TOGETHER AND

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COORDINATE AN APPROACH TOWARDS

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CHINA THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY KEEPS

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THEM IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY AND

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POTENTIALLY DEALS WITH THE

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SECURITY PRESENCE.

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>> WELL, YOU KNOW, RICHARD

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HAASS, IT’S INTERESTING THAT FOR

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ALL OF HIS BLUSTER ABOUT CHINA

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THERE WAS SUCH AN INCONSISTENCY

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COMING FROM DONALD TRUMP WHO

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CLEARLY ADMIRED PRESIDENT XI.

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WHO WOULD LAVISH PRAISE ON HIM

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ONE MINUTE AND THEN ATTACK CHINA

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THE NEXT.

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AND ALSO SUCH AN INCONSISTENCY

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WITH RUSSIA WHERE YOU HAD THE

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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,

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THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, BEING SO

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OBSEQUIOUS TO RUSSIA THAT IT

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REQUIRED THE UNITED STATES

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CONGRESS AND OTHERS TO TAKE A

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PRETTY TOUGH LINE ON RUSSIA.

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I’M WONDERING IF ODDLY ENOUGH

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THE RETURN TO NORMALCY OF A

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PRESIDENT THAT DOESN’T KOWTOW TO

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VLADIMIR PUTIN IN THE LONG RUN

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DOESN’T END UP BEING IN THE BEST

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INTEREST OF RUSSIA AS WELL, THAT

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WE CAN ACTUALLY WITH OUR ALLIES

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MOVE FORWARD AND BEGIN A MORE

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CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP.

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>> WELL, AGAIN, THAT WILL BE ONE

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OF THE PRINCIPAL DIFFERENCES

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WITH BOTH.

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IT WON’T BE UNILATERAL AND I

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THINK IN THE CASE WITH RUSSIA,

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WHAT’S SO INTERESTING ABOUT

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PUTIN, JOE, HE’S BEEN QUITE

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EFFECTIVE IN HIS FOREIGN POLICY

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IN UKRAINE, BUT AT HOME IT’S A

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MESS.

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IT’S ONE OF THE WORST PERFORMERS

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IN THE WORLD AGAINST COVID-19

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AND THIS IS A COUNTRY WITHOUT A

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MODERN POLITICAL ECONOMY AND

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SYSTEM.

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IF PUTIN WERE TO DIE TOMORROW,

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IT’S NOT CLEAR IF THERE WOULD BE

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ANYTHING LIKE AN ORDERLY

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TRANSITION, WHO ARE YOU AS AN

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AMERICAN TO TALK ABOUT

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TRANSITIONS, BUT SERIOUSLY, I

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THINK ACTUALLY THE SYSTEM IN

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RUSSIA IS FUNDAMENTALLY AT RISK.

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PUTIN HAS NOT PUT DOWN THE

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FOUNDATIONS OF A 21st CENTURY

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COUNTRY.

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IF HE UNDERSTANDS THAT FOREIGN

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POLICY IS NOT GOING TO BE AN

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AREA OF MAJOR OPPORTUNITY, JUST

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MAYBE RUSSIA WILL BEGIN TO

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FINALLY BEGIN THE PROCESS OF

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MODERNIZING.

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OTHERWISE, I THINK RUSSIA’S

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FUTURE IS AN ENORMOUS QUESTION

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MARK OVER IT.

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>> YEAH.

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OKAY.

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SO DIFFERENT REACTION FROM

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PRESIDENT PUTIN THE LAST TIME

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AROUND.

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SO IN THIS SEGMENT, WE HAVE BEEN

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SHOWING NEWSPAPER HEADLINES FROM

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AROUND THE WORLD.

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WE’LL CLOSE WITH A COUNTY PAPER

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OUT OF SCOTLAND.

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THE HEADLINE READS, QUOTE, SOUTH

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