WEBVTT 00:05.506 --> 00:09.142 >>> THE NEW BOOK IS CALLED 00:09.143 --> 00:09.843 >>> THE NEW BOOK IS CALLED "CRIME IN PROGRESS: INSIDE THE 00:09.877 --> 00:11.678 "CRIME IN PROGRESS: INSIDE THE STEELE DOSSIER AND THE FUSION 00:11.712 --> 00:12.612 STEELE DOSSIER AND THE FUSION GPS INVESTIGATION OF DONALD 00:12.613 --> 00:12.946 GPS INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP." 00:12.947 --> 00:15.115 TRUMP." FUSION GPS HAS BEEN TURNED INTO 00:15.116 --> 00:17.617 FUSION GPS HAS BEEN TURNED INTO AN EPITHET IN THE WORDS, IN THE 00:17.619 --> 00:18.652 AN EPITHET IN THE WORDS, IN THE MOUTHS OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS AND 00:18.686 --> 00:19.319 MOUTHS OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS AND SOME SENATE REPUBLICANS IT 00:19.353 --> 00:20.053 SOME SENATE REPUBLICANS IT TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY BLAME YOU 00:20.087 --> 00:24.591 TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY BLAME YOU GUYS FOR HAVING INVENTED THE 00:24.625 --> 00:25.358 GUYS FOR HAVING INVENTED THE MYTH THAT RUSSIA INTERFERED IN 00:25.392 --> 00:25.959 MYTH THAT RUSSIA INTERFERED IN THE 2016 ELECTION. 00:25.960 --> 00:27.527 THE 2016 ELECTION. YOU WRITE ABOUT HOW BEING AWARE 00:27.562 --> 00:30.130 YOU WRITE ABOUT HOW BEING AWARE AT THE TIME WHEN YOU GUYS WERE 00:30.131 --> 00:30.964 AT THE TIME WHEN YOU GUYS WERE DOING YOUR WORK THAT THERE WAS 00:30.999 --> 00:32.866 DOING YOUR WORK THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE BLOW-BACK, THAT YOU 00:32.867 --> 00:35.202 GOING TO BE BLOW-BACK, THAT YOU WOULD BECOME TARGET, YOU WRITE 00:35.236 --> 00:36.436 WOULD BECOME TARGET, YOU WRITE IN VERY SERIOUS TERMS ABOUT THE 00:36.437 --> 00:38.672 IN VERY SERIOUS TERMS ABOUT THE RISK TO THE SOURCES WHO WERE 00:38.673 --> 00:40.874 RISK TO THE SOURCES WHO WERE USED TO COLLECT SOME OF THIS 00:40.875 --> 00:41.274 USED TO COLLECT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. 00:41.275 --> 00:43.042 INFORMATION. DID YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU 00:43.044 --> 00:45.379 DID YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD -- THAT YOUR LIVES WOULD 00:45.413 --> 00:46.079 WOULD -- THAT YOUR LIVES WOULD BE TRANSFORMED TO THE DEGREE 00:46.081 --> 00:46.680 BE TRANSFORMED TO THE DEGREE THAT 00:46.681 --> 00:47.080 THAT THEY HAVE? 00:47.081 --> 00:48.148 THEY HAVE? >> I MEAN, WE KNEW THAT WOULD 00:48.182 --> 00:49.583 >> I MEAN, WE KNEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN ONCE THE DOSSIER WAS 00:49.617 --> 00:50.484 HAPPEN WHEN ONCE THE DOSSIER WAS PUBLISHED BY BUZZFEED. 00:50.485 --> 00:50.851 PUBLISHED BY BUZZFEED. >> YEAH. 00:50.885 --> 00:54.188 >> YEAH. >> JANUARY OF 2017. 00:54.222 --> 00:55.322 >> JANUARY OF 2017. BUT I DON’T KNOW IF WE WERE AS 00:55.356 --> 00:57.391 BUT I DON’T KNOW IF WE WERE AS FORMER JOURNALISTS WE WERE THAT 00:57.425 --> 01:03.230 FORMER JOURNALISTS WE WERE THAT WELL PREPARED FOR THE SCALE AND 01:03.264 --> 01:06.100 WELL PREPARED FOR THE SCALE AND THE BIVINALITY OF THE LIES BEING 01:06.134 --> 01:06.767 THE BIVINALITY OF THE LIES BEING TOLD ON THE RIGHT ABOUT US. 01:06.801 --> 01:09.202 TOLD ON THE RIGHT ABOUT US. >> I WENT TO COLLEGE IN 01:09.204 --> 01:09.603 >> I WENT TO COLLEGE IN WASHINGTON. 01:09.604 --> 01:12.106 WASHINGTON. I BASICALLY SPOKE MOST OF MY 01:12.140 --> 01:12.706 I BASICALLY SPOKE MOST OF MY PROFESSION FALL LIFE IN 01:12.708 --> 01:13.507 PROFESSION FALL LIFE IN WASHINGTON COVERING SCANDALS SO 01:13.508 --> 01:16.477 WASHINGTON COVERING SCANDALS SO THERE WAS SOME ABILITY TO 01:16.511 --> 01:17.211 THERE WAS SOME ABILITY TO ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO 01:17.245 --> 01:18.712 ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO US IN TERMS OF INVESTIGATIONS 01:18.714 --> 01:20.013 US IN TERMS OF INVESTIGATIONS AND LEGAL COSTS AND OWLALL OF TH 01:20.015 --> 01:21.415 AND LEGAL COSTS AND OWLALL OF TH BUT THIS IS SO OFF THE CHARTS OF 01:21.416 --> 01:22.116 BUT THIS IS SO OFF THE CHARTS OF ANYTHING I’VE EVER SEEN, YOU 01:22.117 --> 01:27.321 ANYTHING I’VE EVER SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN MY CAREER IN WASHINGTON 01:27.322 --> 01:28.556 KNOW, IN MY CAREER IN WASHINGTON THERE THE AMOUNT OF CONCERTED 01:28.590 --> 01:29.890 THERE THE AMOUNT OF CONCERTED EFFORT TO DESTROY US THROUGH 01:29.891 --> 01:30.824 EFFORT TO DESTROY US THROUGH LAWSUITS, CONGRESSIONAL 01:30.859 --> 01:32.426 LAWSUITS, CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS, RIGHT-WING MEDIA 01:32.427 --> 01:35.296 INVESTIGATIONS, RIGHT-WING MEDIA ATTACKS, I MEAN, IT’S BEEN WILD. 01:35.330 --> 01:36.030 ATTACKS, I MEAN, IT’S BEEN WILD. >> WE HAVE GREAT COMPANY NOW, 01:36.031 --> 01:37.198 >> WE HAVE GREAT COMPANY NOW, FORMER AMBASSADORS, FORMER FBI 01:37.199 --> 01:39.133 FORMER AMBASSADORS, FORMER FBI DIRECTORS, AND A NUMBER OF 01:39.168 --> 01:39.567 DIRECTORS, AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS, RIGHT? 01:39.601 --> 01:39.934 OTHERS, RIGHT? >> YEAH. 01:39.968 --> 01:40.634 >> YEAH. >> ANYONE WHO CRITICIZES THIS 01:40.636 --> 01:43.770 >> ANYONE WHO CRITICIZES THIS PRESIDENT IS ATTACKED 01:43.805 --> 01:44.204 PRESIDENT IS ATTACKED MERCILESSLY. 01:44.206 --> 01:45.206 MERCILESSLY. >> BECAUSE THE BOOK IS COMING 01:45.207 --> 01:46.941 >> BECAUSE THE BOOK IS COMING OUT NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE 01:46.975 --> 01:49.110 OUT NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP, ON 01:49.144 --> 01:50.711 IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP, ON THIS UKRAINE ISSUE, I DO WANT TO 01:50.712 --> 01:52.046 THIS UKRAINE ISSUE, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT 01:52.047 --> 01:52.713 ASK YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MANAFORT FACTOR 01:52.714 --> 01:56.050 ABOUT THE MANAFORT FACTOR BECAUSE THERE IS DRAMA, SORT OF 01:56.051 --> 01:56.751 BECAUSE THERE IS DRAMA, SORT OF PERSONAL DRAMA IN THE WAY THAT 01:56.785 --> 01:59.020 PERSONAL DRAMA IN THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS WRITE ABOUT HOW YOU HAD 01:59.054 --> 02:00.321 YOU GUYS WRITE ABOUT HOW YOU HAD PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF MANAFORT. 02:00.322 --> 02:03.157 PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF MANAFORT. YOU’VE LOOKED INTO MANAFORT IN 02:03.158 --> 02:04.325 YOU’VE LOOKED INTO MANAFORT IN YOUR JOURNALISTIC ENTERPRISES IN 02:04.326 --> 02:10.464 YOUR JOURNALISTIC ENTERPRISES IN THE PAST AND THROUGH SOME OTHERP 02:10.499 --> 02:11.098 THE PAST AND THROUGH SOME OTHERP TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN YOU WERE 02:11.133 --> 02:13.634 TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN YOU WERE SHOCKED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 02:13.636 --> 02:15.069 SHOCKED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. MANAFORT ALSO SEEMS TO BE 02:15.070 --> 02:15.870 MANAFORT ALSO SEEMS TO BE PLAYING A PRETTY CONSIDERABLE 02:15.904 --> 02:21.175 PLAYING A PRETTY CONSIDERABLE ROLE IN THE CURRENT SCHEME FOR 02:21.176 --> 02:21.876 ROLE IN THE CURRENT SCHEME FOR WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS BEING 02:21.877 --> 02:22.243 WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS BEING IMPEACHED. 02:22.277 --> 02:22.877 IMPEACHED. RRCH 02:22.878 --> 02:23.578 RRCH RUDY GIULIANI SAID HE’S BEEN 02:23.612 --> 02:24.312 RUDY GIULIANI SAID HE’S BEEN CONSULTING WITH MANAFORT ON 02:24.346 --> 02:24.979 CONSULTING WITH MANAFORT ON STRATEGY ON THIS MATTER. 02:25.013 --> 02:25.346 STRATEGY ON THIS MATTER. >> SURE. 02:25.381 --> 02:28.349 >> SURE. >> CAN YOU HELP PEOPLE 02:28.351 --> 02:29.884 >> CAN YOU HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MAN 02:29.885 --> 02:30.251 UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MAN MANAFORT? 02:30.252 --> 02:31.686 MANAFORT? HE’S STARTING TO BE SEEN AS A 02:31.720 --> 02:35.390 HE’S STARTING TO BE SEEN AS A FIGURE HERE, BUT YOU SAW HIM AS 02:35.391 --> 02:35.857 FIGURE HERE, BUT YOU SAW HIM AS REALLY CENTRAL. 02:35.891 --> 02:36.591 REALLY CENTRAL. >> THE INITIAL REACTION WHEN HE 02:36.625 --> 02:37.492 >> THE INITIAL REACTION WHEN HE WAS HIRED TO HELP RUN THE 02:37.493 --> 02:38.593 WAS HIRED TO HELP RUN THE CAMPAIGN WAS JUST SHOCK AND 02:38.594 --> 02:40.862 CAMPAIGN WAS JUST SHOCK AND DISBELIEF AND WE JUST ASSUMED HE 02:40.896 --> 02:42.263 DISBELIEF AND WE JUST ASSUMED HE WOULD QUICKLY GO UP IN FLAMES 02:42.264 --> 02:43.564 WOULD QUICKLY GO UP IN FLAMES AND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BURIED 02:43.566 --> 02:46.067 AND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BURIED IN SCANDAL FROM HIS PAST. 02:46.069 --> 02:49.204 IN SCANDAL FROM HIS PAST. THAT ACTUALLY DIDN’T HAPPEN. 02:49.238 --> 02:51.506 THAT ACTUALLY DIDN’T HAPPEN. AS TIME WENT ON, WE BEGAN TO 02:51.507 --> 02:52.974 AS TIME WENT ON, WE BEGAN TO THINK THAT HE WAS THERE FOR A 02:53.008 --> 02:56.411 THINK THAT HE WAS THERE FOR A REASON AND THAT IT WAS NOT A 02:56.445 --> 02:57.646 REASON AND THAT IT WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT HE HAD JOINED 02:57.680 --> 02:58.313 COINCIDENCE THAT HE HAD JOINED THE CAMPAIGN. 02:58.314 --> 02:59.013 THE CAMPAIGN. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 02:59.048 --> 03:00.281 >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> WELL, AFTER THE PLATFORM, 03:00.316 --> 03:02.884 >> WELL, AFTER THE PLATFORM, AFTER THE REPUBLICANS CHANGED 03:02.885 --> 03:03.918 AFTER THE REPUBLICANS CHANGED THE PLATFORM DURING THEIR 03:03.919 --> 03:05.720 THE PLATFORM DURING THEIR CONVENTION TO MAKE IT SOFTER ON 03:05.754 --> 03:07.322 CONVENTION TO MAKE IT SOFTER ON UKRAINE, THAT SEEMED LIKE 03:07.323 --> 03:08.790 UKRAINE, THAT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT MANAFORT PROBABLY 03:08.824 --> 03:11.326 SOMETHING THAT MANAFORT PROBABLY HAD A HAND IN AND REALLY THE 03:11.327 --> 03:14.129 HAD A HAND IN AND REALLY THE ONLY BENEFICIARY OF THAT WAS 03:14.130 --> 03:14.429 ONLY BENEFICIARY OF THAT WAS RUSSIA. 03:14.464 --> 03:15.797 RUSSIA. SO IT’S A PUZZLE, AND THESE 03:15.831 --> 03:17.632 SO IT’S A PUZZLE, AND THESE PIECES ARE STARTING TO COME 03:17.666 --> 03:19.200 PIECES ARE STARTING TO COME TOGETHER AND THEY MAKE IT MORE 03:19.235 --> 03:19.935 TOGETHER AND THEY MAKE IT MORE SUSPICIOUS THAT SOMETHING IS 03:19.969 --> 03:20.435 SUSPICIOUS THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON HERE. 03:20.437 --> 03:21.503 GOING ON HERE. >> JUST TO BACK UP HALF A STEP, 03:21.537 --> 03:22.237 >> JUST TO BACK UP HALF A STEP, PAUL MANAFORT WAS ONE OF THE 03:22.238 --> 03:25.140 PAUL MANAFORT WAS ONE OF THE MOST RUTHLESS BELTWAY BANDITS ON 03:25.141 --> 03:28.343 MOST RUTHLESS BELTWAY BANDITS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE FOR MANY 03:28.378 --> 03:31.112 THE REPUBLICAN SIDE FOR MANY YEARS WORKING FOR DICTATORS 03:31.147 --> 03:32.214 YEARS WORKING FOR DICTATORS AROUND THE WORLD. 03:32.215 --> 03:33.448 AROUND THE WORLD. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 03:33.450 --> 03:38.219 ET CETERA, ET CETERA. YOU KNOW, HE POPPED BACK UP IN 03:38.221 --> 03:45.927 YOU KNOW, HE POPPED BACK UP IN THE MID-OTs, 2000s, WORKING FOR 03:45.929 --> 03:46.261 THE MID-OTs, 2000s, WORKING FOR N 03:46.295 --> 03:47.195 N YANOKOVITCH. 03:47.230 --> 03:47.763 YANOKOVITCH. HTH 03:47.764 --> 03:48.363 HTH PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. 03:48.365 --> 03:49.331 PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE. WE WORKED ON STORIES AFTER THAT. 03:49.332 --> 03:52.434 WE WORKED ON STORIES AFTER THAT. AT THE TIME, THOUGH, HE SORT OF 03:52.435 --> 03:56.438 AT THE TIME, THOUGH, HE SORT OF DISAPPEARED AND FOR A WHILE, HE 03:56.439 --> 04:00.042 DISAPPEARED AND FOR A WHILE, HE REALLY DISAPPEARED AND TURNED 04:00.043 --> 04:02.878 REALLY DISAPPEARED AND TURNED OUT HE WAS IN WITH OLEG 04:02.879 --> 04:04.346 OUT HE WAS IN WITH OLEG DERIPASKA. 04:04.347 --> 04:05.581 DERIPASKA. GLENN WHO’S SOMETHING OF A 04:05.582 --> 04:06.782 GLENN WHO’S SOMETHING OF A WIZARD WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC 04:06.817 --> 04:08.050 WIZARD WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC DOCUMENTS TURNED UP THE FACT 04:08.084 --> 04:10.052 DOCUMENTS TURNED UP THE FACT THAT HE WAS BEING PURSUED BY 04:10.053 --> 04:12.988 THAT HE WAS BEING PURSUED BY OLEG DERIPSKA FOR A DEBT HE OWED 04:12.989 --> 04:13.288 OLEG DERIPSKA FOR A DEBT HE OWED HIM. 04:13.289 --> 04:14.089 HIM. >> SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. 04:14.123 --> 04:14.856 >> SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. >> MORE THAN SEVERAL HUNDRED -- 04:14.891 --> 04:15.257 >> MORE THAN SEVERAL HUNDRED -- >> TENS. 04:15.258 --> 04:16.759 >> TENS. >> TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 04:16.760 --> 04:17.359 >> TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> AND -- 04:17.361 --> 04:18.894 >> AND -- >> TO THE EFFECT -- TO THE POINT 04:18.928 --> 04:20.362 >> TO THE EFFECT -- TO THE POINT THAT A SERVICE PROCESSER LOOKED 04:20.397 --> 04:21.597 THAT A SERVICE PROCESSER LOOKED FOR PAUL MANAFORT IN VIRGINIA 04:21.632 --> 04:22.798 FOR PAUL MANAFORT IN VIRGINIA AND COULDN’T FIND HIM. 04:22.799 --> 04:24.066 AND COULDN’T FIND HIM. THAT’S HOW OFF THE MAP HE WAS. 04:24.100 --> 04:25.467 THAT’S HOW OFF THE MAP HE WAS. >> WHEN DONALD TRUMP PICKED HIM 04:25.468 --> 04:26.368 >> WHEN DONALD TRUMP PICKED HIM TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN. 04:26.369 --> 04:26.768 TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN. >> CORRECT. 04:26.770 --> 04:31.674 >> CORRECT. >> THE PRECEDING YEAR OR TWO. 04:31.675 --> 04:31.907 >> THE PRECEDING YEAR OR TWO. YES. 04:31.942 --> 04:33.108 YES. THE FUNDAMENTAL THING WE LEARNED 04:33.109 --> 04:34.977 THE FUNDAMENTAL THING WE LEARNED WHEN WE WERE COVERING RUSSIAN 04:35.011 --> 04:37.212 WHEN WE WERE COVERING RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS AND RUSSIAN CORRUPTION 04:37.214 --> 04:38.881 OLIGARCHS AND RUSSIAN CORRUPTION IN THE 2000s WAS THAT PUTIN 04:38.882 --> 04:41.383 IN THE 2000s WAS THAT PUTIN EXERCISES HIS INFLUENCE IN THE 04:41.385 --> 04:44.086 EXERCISES HIS INFLUENCE IN THE WEST VIA HIS LOYAL OLIGARCHS. 04:44.087 --> 04:46.822 WEST VIA HIS LOYAL OLIGARCHS. IT’S AN INFORMAL SYSTEM, BUT 04:46.823 --> 04:48.791 IT’S AN INFORMAL SYSTEM, BUT THEY TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE 04:48.792 --> 04:49.125 THEY TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE KREMLIN. 04:49.126 --> 04:52.228 KREMLIN. >> GLENN SIMPSON AND PETER 04:52.229 --> 04:55.631 >> GLENN SIMPSON AND PETER FRITSCH CO-FOUNDERS OF FUSION 04:55.632 --> 04:55.931 FRITSCH CO-FOUNDERS OF FUSION GPS. 04:55.966 --> 05:02.038 GPS. THE BOOK "IS CRIME IN PROGRESS.