WEBVTT 00:00.868 --> 00:02.535 ALI, STEPH? >> ALL RIGHT, MARIANA, THANK YOU 00:02.537 --> 00:03.436 >> ALL RIGHT, MARIANA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:03.437 --> 00:05.505 SO MUCH. MARIANA ATENCIO FOR US AT THE 00:05.539 --> 00:05.839 MARIANA ATENCIO FOR US AT THE BORDER. 00:05.873 --> 00:07.407 BORDER. WHILE MIGRANT CHILDREN ARE 00:07.441 --> 00:10.543 WHILE MIGRANT CHILDREN ARE LITERALLY DYING IN U.S. CUSTODY, 00:10.544 --> 00:11.210 LITERALLY DYING IN U.S. CUSTODY, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS 00:11.212 --> 00:11.945 THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS CLAIMING THEY CAUGHT THOUSANDS 00:11.979 --> 00:14.114 CLAIMING THEY CAUGHT THOUSANDS OF TERRORISTS AT THIS BORDER. 00:14.148 --> 00:14.848 OF TERRORISTS AT THIS BORDER. AND AS STEPHANIE AND I WERE 00:14.849 --> 00:17.651 AND AS STEPHANIE AND I WERE SAYING, THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. 00:17.685 --> 00:18.018 SAYING, THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE. LETS -- 00:18.052 --> 00:18.652 LETS -- >> ONE MORE TIME. 00:18.686 --> 00:20.320 >> ONE MORE TIME. >> LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE 00:20.354 --> 00:21.655 >> LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE GOT TO THIS, ALL RIGHT. 00:21.689 --> 00:23.524 GOT TO THIS, ALL RIGHT. JUST DAYS INTO THE NEW YEAR, 00:23.558 --> 00:25.659 JUST DAYS INTO THE NEW YEAR, PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED THAT 00:25.660 --> 00:26.626 PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED THAT 17,000 CRIMINALS WERE TRYING TO 00:26.628 --> 00:28.562 17,000 CRIMINALS WERE TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE BORDER. 00:28.596 --> 00:30.363 GET ACROSS THE BORDER. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE 00:30.365 --> 00:30.663 BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. 00:30.665 --> 00:33.066 SAID. FOR FACT’S SAKE, THE WASHINGTON 00:33.067 --> 00:34.334 FOR FACT’S SAKE, THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTS THAT STATISTIC IS 00:34.369 --> 00:34.768 POST REPORTS THAT STATISTIC IS MANGLED. 00:34.769 --> 00:36.269 MANGLED. U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER 00:36.304 --> 00:41.708 U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION ENCOUNTERED 16 ERKS,8 00:41.743 --> 00:42.476 PROTECTION ENCOUNTERED 16 ERKS,8 PEOPLE CONVICTED OF CRIMES IN 00:42.477 --> 00:43.477 PEOPLE CONVICTED OF CRIMES IN THE UNITED STATES OR ABROAD. 00:43.511 --> 00:44.645 THE UNITED STATES OR ABROAD. 63% OF THOSE PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT 00:44.679 --> 00:45.979 63% OF THOSE PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT PORTS OF ENTRY. 00:45.980 --> 00:47.381 PORTS OF ENTRY. THAT INCLUDES AIRPORTS, 00:47.415 --> 00:48.482 THAT INCLUDES AIRPORTS, TRAVELERS, NOT JUST PEOPLE 00:48.483 --> 00:50.384 TRAVELERS, NOT JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE BORDER. 00:50.385 --> 00:51.518 TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE BORDER. EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG IN 00:51.553 --> 00:53.086 EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA, DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS 00:53.088 --> 00:53.887 AMERICA, DONALD TRUMP SAYS IS HAPPENING AT THE SOUTHERN 00:53.921 --> 00:54.221 HAPPENING AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 00:54.255 --> 00:55.989 BORDER. A DAY LATER, IN A BRIEFING WITH 00:56.023 --> 00:57.457 A DAY LATER, IN A BRIEFING WITH BORDER OFFICIALS, PRESIDENT 00:57.492 --> 01:02.095 BORDER OFFICIALS, PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED 3,755 KNOWN OR 01:02.097 --> 01:02.996 TRUMP CLAIMED 3,755 KNOWN OR SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WERE 01:03.030 --> 01:05.098 SUSPECTED TERRORISTS WERE PREVENTED FROM TRAVELING TO OR 01:05.100 --> 01:06.133 PREVENTED FROM TRAVELING TO OR ENTERING THE UNITED STATES BY 01:06.167 --> 01:08.669 ENTERING THE UNITED STATES BY DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. 01:08.670 --> 01:10.771 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY 01:10.772 --> 01:11.505 HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY KIRSTJEN NIELSEN INCLUDED THIS 01:11.539 --> 01:12.706 KIRSTJEN NIELSEN INCLUDED THIS NUMBER IN A PRESENTATION TO 01:12.707 --> 01:14.441 NUMBER IN A PRESENTATION TO CONGRESS, BUT, AGAIN, VERY 01:14.476 --> 01:14.875 CONGRESS, BUT, AGAIN, VERY MISLEADING. 01:14.876 --> 01:16.410 MISLEADING. IT REFERS TO STOPS MADE BY 01:16.411 --> 01:18.612 IT REFERS TO STOPS MADE BY DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 01:18.613 --> 01:20.781 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ACROSS THE GLOBE, MAINLY AT 01:20.782 --> 01:21.482 ACROSS THE GLOBE, MAINLY AT AIRPORTS. 01:21.483 --> 01:22.516 AIRPORTS. NIELSEN DID NOT BREAK DOWN HOW 01:22.517 --> 01:24.118 NIELSEN DID NOT BREAK DOWN HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT 01:24.152 --> 01:26.153 MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT AIRPORTS VERSUS LAND CROSSINGS. 01:26.187 --> 01:28.222 AIRPORTS VERSUS LAND CROSSINGS. AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON FRIDAY, 01:28.256 --> 01:29.223 AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON FRIDAY, NIELSEN CLAIMED CUSTOMS AND 01:29.224 --> 01:32.226 NIELSEN CLAIMED CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL STOPPED OVER 3,000 01:32.227 --> 01:33.327 BORDER PATROL STOPPED OVER 3,000 SPECIAL INTEREST ALIENS TRYING 01:33.328 --> 01:34.628 SPECIAL INTEREST ALIENS TRYING TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY THROUGH 01:34.629 --> 01:36.163 TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 01:36.198 --> 01:39.233 THE SOUTHERN BORDER. THE D.H.S. SPOKESPERSON STATED 01:39.268 --> 01:39.900 THE D.H.S. SPOKESPERSON STATED THIS FIGURE WAS SEPARATE, 01:39.935 --> 01:42.336 THIS FIGURE WAS SEPARATE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FROM THE 01:42.371 --> 01:43.804 BELIEVE IT OR NOT, FROM THE 3,755 FIGURE THAT WE JUST 01:43.839 --> 01:44.205 3,755 FIGURE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. 01:44.206 --> 01:44.538 DISCUSSED. ALL RIGHT. 01:44.573 --> 01:45.873 ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD ALREADY SAID THAT 01:45.907 --> 01:49.443 SO WE HAD ALREADY SAID THAT THERE WERE 3,755 ON JANUARY 3RD, 01:49.444 --> 01:51.145 THERE WERE 3,755 ON JANUARY 3RD, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE SAYS 01:51.179 --> 01:52.580 AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE SAYS MORE THAN 3,000. 01:52.614 --> 01:53.648 MORE THAN 3,000. HOWEVER, THIS IS WHERE THINGS 01:53.682 --> 01:54.749 HOWEVER, THIS IS WHERE THINGS DON’T MAKE SENSE. 01:54.750 --> 01:57.018 DON’T MAKE SENSE. THE D.H.S. TESTIFIED TO CONGRESS 01:57.052 --> 01:58.319 THE D.H.S. TESTIFIED TO CONGRESS BACK IN 2016 THAT SPECIAL 01:58.320 --> 02:01.522 BACK IN 2016 THAT SPECIAL INTEREST ALIENS DO NOT 02:01.523 --> 02:03.657 INTEREST ALIENS DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE CONNECTIONS TO 02:03.659 --> 02:04.025 NECESSARILY HAVE CONNECTIONS TO TERRORISM. 02:04.026 --> 02:06.460 TERRORISM. AS STEPHANIE POINTED OUT, THEY 02:06.495 --> 02:08.228 AS STEPHANIE POINTED OUT, THEY OFTEN MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TRAVEL 02:08.263 --> 02:10.164 OFTEN MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TRAVEL PATTERNS THAT GO TO COUNTRIES 02:10.198 --> 02:11.932 PATTERNS THAT GO TO COUNTRIES WHERE YOU GET SECONDARY 02:11.967 --> 02:13.968 WHERE YOU GET SECONDARY SCREENING, OR YOU’RE FROM A 02:13.969 --> 02:14.969 SCREENING, OR YOU’RE FROM A COUNTRY WHERE THERE MAY HAVE 02:14.970 --> 02:18.573 COUNTRY WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TERRORISTS OF SOMETIME. 02:18.574 --> 02:23.144 BEEN TERRORISTS OF SOMETIME. TO SUGGEST THEY ARE TER CYSTS IS 02:23.145 --> 02:23.478 TO SUGGEST THEY ARE TER CYSTS IS IS A LOT. 02:23.512 --> 02:25.046 IS A LOT. >> WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS 02:25.080 --> 02:25.380 >> WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS DETAILS. 02:25.414 --> 02:26.514 DETAILS. WHAT SHOULD BE THE MOST TRUSTED 02:26.548 --> 02:27.982 WHAT SHOULD BE THE MOST TRUSTED VOICES IN OUR COUNTRY ARE 02:28.016 --> 02:29.550 VOICES IN OUR COUNTRY ARE LOOKING INTO A TV CAMERA AND 02:29.585 --> 02:31.486 LOOKING INTO A TV CAMERA AND SAYING THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF 02:31.520 --> 02:32.253 SAYING THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF TERRORISTS WE’RE STOPPING? 02:32.287 --> 02:32.887 TERRORISTS WE’RE STOPPING? >> YEAH. 02:32.888 --> 02:34.355 >> YEAH. BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS, 02:34.356 --> 02:34.655 BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS, RIGHT? 02:34.657 --> 02:36.291 RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT GETS PEOPLE 02:36.292 --> 02:36.991 YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT GETS PEOPLE RILED UP. 02:36.993 --> 02:38.192 RILED UP. JOINING US IS "THE NEW YORK 02:38.193 --> 02:39.260 JOINING US IS "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IMMIGRATION REPORTER 02:39.261 --> 02:41.295 TIMES" IMMIGRATION REPORTER CAITLYN DICKERSON. 02:41.297 --> 02:42.497 CAITLYN DICKERSON. CAITLYN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK 02:42.532 --> 02:42.797 CAITLYN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK HERE. 02:42.798 --> 02:44.932 HERE. YOU WROTE THE PIECE ON TRUMP’S 02:44.967 --> 02:46.167 YOU WROTE THE PIECE ON TRUMP’S MIGRANT DETERRENCE STRATEGY. 02:46.168 --> 02:47.502 MIGRANT DETERRENCE STRATEGY. NEW CHAOS ON THE BORDER. 02:47.536 --> 02:50.038 NEW CHAOS ON THE BORDER. A CRISIS IS EMERGING AND MIGRANT 02:50.072 --> 02:51.506 A CRISIS IS EMERGING AND MIGRANT SHELTERS AS THE TRUMP 02:51.507 --> 02:53.608 SHELTERS AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FOCUSES ON AS ONE 02:53.642 --> 02:55.243 ADMINISTRATION FOCUSES ON AS ONE OFFICIAL PUTS T HOW WE CAN DETER 02:55.277 --> 02:56.911 OFFICIAL PUTS T HOW WE CAN DETER RATHER THAN HOW WE CAN HANDLE. 02:56.945 --> 02:57.745 RATHER THAN HOW WE CAN HANDLE. THAT’S FROM YOUR PIECE. 02:57.780 --> 02:59.414 THAT’S FROM YOUR PIECE. TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS. 02:59.448 --> 03:01.850 TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS. >> SO, THIS PIECE DEALS WITH A 03:01.884 --> 03:03.418 >> SO, THIS PIECE DEALS WITH A SIMILAR THEME TO WHAT YOU TWO 03:03.452 --> 03:04.586 SIMILAR THEME TO WHAT YOU TWO ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS 03:04.620 --> 03:06.821 ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS SORT OF A FALSE REALITY THAT’S 03:06.856 --> 03:09.123 SORT OF A FALSE REALITY THAT’S BEING USED TO DRIVE IMMIGRATION 03:09.125 --> 03:09.458 BEING USED TO DRIVE IMMIGRATION POLICY. 03:09.492 --> 03:11.326 POLICY. SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM OFFICIALS 03:11.361 --> 03:12.694 SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM OFFICIALS ACROSS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 03:12.728 --> 03:14.929 ACROSS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHO WORK IN IMMIGRATION IS THAT 03:14.931 --> 03:16.798 WHO WORK IN IMMIGRATION IS THAT FOR MONTHS, AND SOME CASES OVER 03:16.800 --> 03:18.133 FOR MONTHS, AND SOME CASES OVER A YEAR THEY’VE BEEN ASKING FOR 03:18.167 --> 03:19.534 A YEAR THEY’VE BEEN ASKING FOR HELP TO DEAL WITH THIS BUILDUP 03:19.535 --> 03:21.002 HELP TO DEAL WITH THIS BUILDUP OF FAMILIES ALONG THE BORDER 03:21.037 --> 03:22.938 OF FAMILIES ALONG THE BORDER WHICH WE’VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. 03:22.939 --> 03:25.707 WHICH WE’VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. THOSE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN DENIED 03:25.708 --> 03:27.108 THOSE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN DENIED BECAUSE ALL OF THE FOCUS IS 03:27.109 --> 03:28.943 BECAUSE ALL OF THE FOCUS IS COMING UP WITH NEW DETERRENT 03:28.945 --> 03:29.311 COMING UP WITH NEW DETERRENT POLICIES. 03:29.312 --> 03:30.946 POLICIES. WE KNOW FAMILY SEPARATION AND 03:30.980 --> 03:32.247 WE KNOW FAMILY SEPARATION AND THE ASYLUM BAN WERE IMMEDIATELY 03:32.248 --> 03:33.081 THE ASYLUM BAN WERE IMMEDIATELY BLOCKED BY THE COURTS. 03:33.116 --> 03:34.950 BLOCKED BY THE COURTS. THESE NEW POLICIES NOW BEING 03:34.951 --> 03:36.852 THESE NEW POLICIES NOW BEING GENERATED, POLICIES LIKE MAKING 03:36.886 --> 03:38.453 GENERATED, POLICIES LIKE MAKING ASYLUM SEEKERS WAIT IN MEXICO 03:38.455 --> 03:39.821 ASYLUM SEEKERS WAIT IN MEXICO WHILE THEIR CASES ARE 03:39.856 --> 03:41.456 WHILE THEIR CASES ARE ADJUDICATED WHICH CAN TAKE 03:41.458 --> 03:43.224 ADJUDICATED WHICH CAN TAKE YEARS, OR PLAN TO BUILD VAST 03:43.226 --> 03:44.726 YEARS, OR PLAN TO BUILD VAST TENT CITIES ALONG THE BORDER, 03:44.728 --> 03:46.662 TENT CITIES ALONG THE BORDER, THESE OFFICIALS WORKING ON THESE 03:46.696 --> 03:48.563 THESE OFFICIALS WORKING ON THESE PLANS KNOW THAT THEY’RE EITHER 03:48.565 --> 03:50.432 PLANS KNOW THAT THEY’RE EITHER LIKELY TO END UP BEING 03:50.466 --> 03:51.533 LIKELY TO END UP BEING IMMEDIATELY BLOCKED BY COURTS 03:51.534 --> 03:52.367 IMMEDIATELY BLOCKED BY COURTS LIKE OTHERS OR THEY’RE GOING TO 03:52.402 --> 03:53.802 LIKE OTHERS OR THEY’RE GOING TO BE SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEY WON’T 03:53.836 --> 03:55.370 BE SO EXPENSIVE THAT THEY WON’T BE JUSTIFIABLE TO TAXPAYERS. 03:55.371 --> 03:57.172 BE JUSTIFIABLE TO TAXPAYERS. BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER. 03:57.206 --> 03:58.140 BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER. THEY’RE UNDER STRICT ORDERS TO 03:58.174 --> 03:59.274 THEY’RE UNDER STRICT ORDERS TO MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY. 03:59.275 --> 04:00.842 MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY. AGAIN, UNDER THIS SORT OF FALSE 04:00.844 --> 04:01.877 AGAIN, UNDER THIS SORT OF FALSE REALITY THAT WE’RE TALKING 04:01.878 --> 04:02.244 REALITY THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. 04:02.245 --> 04:04.246 ABOUT. >> SO WHY DO THEY TELL YOU 04:04.247 --> 04:05.380 >> SO WHY DO THEY TELL YOU THAT’S THE CASE? 04:05.415 --> 04:07.382 THAT’S THE CASE? IF THEY’RE BEING PUT IN A 04:07.383 --> 04:08.216 IF THEY’RE BEING PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY’RE 04:08.251 --> 04:09.685 SITUATION WHERE THEY’RE EXECUTING A PLAN THAT’S ONLY 04:09.686 --> 04:12.788 EXECUTING A PLAN THAT’S ONLY GOING TO CREATE MORE CHAOS, THE 04:12.822 --> 04:14.623 GOING TO CREATE MORE CHAOS, THE SIN I CAN IN ME WOULD OBVIOUSLY 04:14.657 --> 04:17.359 SIN I CAN IN ME WOULD OBVIOUSLY SAY THAT’S A WHOLE LOT OF 04:17.360 --> 04:19.495 SAY THAT’S A WHOLE LOT OF POLITICAL THEATER AT THE EXPENSE 04:19.529 --> 04:21.330 POLITICAL THEATER AT THE EXPENSE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT TO 04:21.364 --> 04:22.598 FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT TO THE U.S. TAXPAYER. 04:22.632 --> 04:25.067 THE U.S. TAXPAYER. AND THE EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL 04:25.101 --> 04:26.802 AND THE EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL EXPENSE OF THOSE CUSTOMS WORKERS 04:26.803 --> 04:28.904 EXPENSE OF THOSE CUSTOMS WORKERS AND THOSE MIGRANTS. 04:28.938 --> 04:31.340 AND THOSE MIGRANTS. SO THAT’S WHAT THE CYNIC IN ME 04:31.374 --> 04:32.407 SO THAT’S WHAT THE CYNIC IN ME WOULD SAY. 04:32.409 --> 04:33.709 WOULD SAY. THE OPTIMIST, WHAT ARE THEY 04:33.744 --> 04:34.944 THE OPTIMIST, WHAT ARE THEY TELLING YOU WHY THEY’RE DOING 04:34.978 --> 04:35.277 TELLING YOU WHY THEY’RE DOING THIS? 04:35.278 --> 04:39.114 THIS? >> IT’S HARD TO COME UP WITH AN 04:39.115 --> 04:42.117 >> IT’S HARD TO COME UP WITH AN OPTIMISTIC WAY OF LOOKING AT THE 04:42.151 --> 04:43.018 OPTIMISTIC WAY OF LOOKING AT THE FACTS ON THE GROUND. 04:43.019 --> 04:44.386 FACTS ON THE GROUND. THEY ARE INDISPUTABLE. 04:44.421 --> 04:45.087 THEY ARE INDISPUTABLE. THEY CONFUSING. 04:45.088 --> 04:46.422 THEY CONFUSING. ONE OF THE WAYS I’VE COME UP 04:46.423 --> 04:47.823 ONE OF THE WAYS I’VE COME UP WITH MOST RECTLY TO SORT OF 04:47.824 --> 04:49.325 WITH MOST RECTLY TO SORT OF STAY FOCUSED AND HELP PEOPLE 04:49.326 --> 04:50.526 STAY FOCUSED AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND -- BECAUSE THEY’RE 04:50.527 --> 04:51.727 UNDERSTAND -- BECAUSE THEY’RE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE 04:51.728 --> 04:53.696 TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE FACTS AND FIGURES. 04:53.697 --> 04:54.630 FACTS AND FIGURES. THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING ONE 04:54.631 --> 04:55.631 THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING ONE THING, THE PRESS SECRETARY IS 04:55.632 --> 04:56.132 THING, THE PRESS SECRETARY IS SAYING ANOTHER. 04:56.166 --> 04:57.033 SAYING ANOTHER. THEY’RE NOT TRUE. 04:57.034 --> 04:58.301 THEY’RE NOT TRUE. I THINK WHEN IT’S IMPORTANT FOR 04:58.335 --> 05:00.303 I THINK WHEN IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYONE 05:00.304 --> 05:02.038 THIS ADMINISTRATION AND EVERYONE IN IT TO TOE THE LINE AND TO 05:02.072 --> 05:03.406 IN IT TO TOE THE LINE AND TO CONTINUE REPEATING THESE FACTS 05:03.440 --> 05:05.308 CONTINUE REPEATING THESE FACTS AND FIGURES EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT 05:05.309 --> 05:05.608 AND FIGURES EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT TRUE. 05:05.609 --> 05:06.842 TRUE. AND MY TAKE AWAY FROM THE 05:06.844 --> 05:08.744 AND MY TAKE AWAY FROM THE STATEMENTS YOU WENT OVER EARLIER 05:08.778 --> 05:11.580 STATEMENTS YOU WENT OVER EARLIER ARE WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS 05:11.615 --> 05:13.416 ARE WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAYS "CRIMINAL" HE MEANS "IMMIGRANT." 05:13.417 --> 05:15.451 "CRIMINAL" HE MEANS "IMMIGRANT." THAT COULD BE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. 05:15.452 --> 05:16.218 THAT COULD BE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. WHEN HE SAYS "SOUTHERN BORDER" 05:16.220 --> 05:17.653 WHEN HE SAYS "SOUTHERN BORDER" HE ACTUALLY MEANS YOU’VE COME 05:17.655 --> 05:18.821 HE ACTUALLY MEANS YOU’VE COME INTO THE COUNTRY THROUGH LAND, 05:18.822 --> 05:20.222 INTO THE COUNTRY THROUGH LAND, THROUGH AIR, THROUGH SEA, 05:20.224 --> 05:20.623 THROUGH AIR, THROUGH SEA, ANYWAY. 05:20.624 --> 05:22.925 ANYWAY. IT’S ALL SOUTHERN BORDER. 05:22.926 --> 05:23.960 IT’S ALL SOUTHERN BORDER. WHEN HE SAYS "TERRORIST" HE 05:23.994 --> 05:24.994 WHEN HE SAYS "TERRORIST" HE ACTUALLY MEANS ANYBODY WHO AT 05:25.028 --> 05:26.362 ACTUALLY MEANS ANYBODY WHO AT ANY TIME HAS BEEN WORTHY OF ANY 05:26.363 --> 05:28.564 ANY TIME HAS BEEN WORTHY OF ANY KIND OF SECONDARY INSPECTION, 05:28.565 --> 05:30.266 KIND OF SECONDARY INSPECTION, AND THAT COULD EVEN BE FOR A 05:30.267 --> 05:31.667 AND THAT COULD EVEN BE FOR A REASON AS SIMPLE AS THE COUNTRY 05:31.702 --> 05:32.234 REASON AS SIMPLE AS THE COUNTRY YOU COME FROM. 05:32.269 --> 05:33.736 YOU COME FROM. SO WE NOW HAVE TO COME UP WITH 05:33.737 --> 05:35.972 SO WE NOW HAVE TO COME UP WITH TOOLS TO CUT THROUGH WHAT 05:36.006 --> 05:36.539 TOOLS TO CUT THROUGH WHAT THEY’RE SAYING. 05:36.573 --> 05:37.640 THEY’RE SAYING. AND I THINK THE REASON THEY’RE 05:37.641 --> 05:39.742 AND I THINK THE REASON THEY’RE SAYING IT, YOU ASKED ABOUT, IS 05:39.743 --> 05:43.479 SAYING IT, YOU ASKED ABOUT, IS THAT THEY’VE GOT TO STAY ON 05:43.480 --> 05:43.780 THAT THEY’VE GOT TO STAY ON MESSAGE. 05:43.814 --> 05:46.816 MESSAGE. >> CAITLYN, ONE OF THE EFFECTIVE 05:46.850 --> 05:49.385 >> CAITLYN, ONE OF THE EFFECTIVE TOOLS IS THAT -- YOU REPORT ON 05:49.419 --> 05:50.152 TOOLS IS THAT -- YOU REPORT ON THIS, RIGHT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL 05:50.187 --> 05:52.088 THIS, RIGHT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL IN THIS COUNTRY OF PEOPLE WHO 05:52.122 --> 05:53.723 IN THIS COUNTRY OF PEOPLE WHO DEDICATE THEIR JOURNALISTIC 05:53.757 --> 05:54.690 DEDICATE THEIR JOURNALISTIC EFFORTS TO IMMIGRATION. 05:54.692 --> 05:55.692 EFFORTS TO IMMIGRATION. BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU JUST 05:55.726 --> 05:55.992 BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID. 05:55.993 --> 05:57.560 SAID. IT IS ACTUALLY COMPLICATED AND 05:57.595 --> 05:59.596 IT IS ACTUALLY COMPLICATED AND IT IS ACTUALLY CONFUSING AND WE 05:59.597 --> 06:00.764 IT IS ACTUALLY CONFUSING AND WE HAVE HAD A LEGACY OF THIS IN 06:00.765 --> 06:02.098 HAVE HAD A LEGACY OF THIS IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE WE TALK ABOUT 06:02.133 --> 06:03.700 THIS COUNTRY WHERE WE TALK ABOUT A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. 06:03.701 --> 06:04.935 A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF 06:04.969 --> 06:06.603 THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WE TALK TO, C.E.O.s, WHO 06:06.637 --> 06:08.572 PEOPLE WE TALK TO, C.E.O.s, WHO THINK THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION 06:08.606 --> 06:10.507 THINK THE BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THEY CAN’T GET ENOUGH 06:10.508 --> 06:11.574 SYSTEM THEY CAN’T GET ENOUGH VISAS FOR ENGINEERS FROM THE 06:11.576 --> 06:12.809 VISAS FOR ENGINEERS FROM THE OTHER PART OF THE WORLD. 06:12.810 --> 06:14.377 OTHER PART OF THE WORLD. WE HAVE SO DILUTED AND CONFUSED 06:14.378 --> 06:15.912 WE HAVE SO DILUTED AND CONFUSED THIS CONVERSATION TO EVERYTHING 06:15.946 --> 06:16.946 THIS CONVERSATION TO EVERYTHING BEING WRONG WITH AMERICAN 06:16.981 --> 06:17.981 BEING WRONG WITH AMERICAN IMMIGRATION AND SAFETY HAS TO DO 06:17.982 --> 06:19.182 IMMIGRATION AND SAFETY HAS TO DO WITH THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 06:19.183 --> 06:20.116 WITH THE SOUTHERN BORDER. HOW DO YOU FIX THIS? 06:20.151 --> 06:21.851 HOW DO YOU FIX THIS? BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE 06:21.886 --> 06:23.486 BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE PRESIDENT AND THAT CROWD IS 06:23.488 --> 06:25.822 PRESIDENT AND THAT CROWD IS DOMINATING THIS CONVERSATION. 06:25.856 --> 06:27.590 DOMINATING THIS CONVERSATION. >> I THINK IT’S REALLY UP TO US 06:27.625 --> 06:29.626 >> I THINK IT’S REALLY UP TO US AS JOURNALISTS AND UP TO READERS 06:29.660 --> 06:31.094 AS JOURNALISTS AND UP TO READERS AND VIEWERS UNFORTUNATELY TO DO 06:31.128 --> 06:33.630 AND VIEWERS UNFORTUNATELY TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA WORK AND 06:33.631 --> 06:35.632 A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA WORK AND MAKE SURE WE ARE RECAPTURING THE 06:35.633 --> 06:36.133 MAKE SURE WE ARE RECAPTURING THE NARRATIVE. 06:36.167 --> 06:37.534 NARRATIVE. HERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DON’T 06:37.535 --> 06:39.669 HERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DON’T TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT, ALI. 06:39.704 --> 06:41.238 TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT, ALI. TWO-THIRDS OF NEW UNDOCUMENTED 06:41.239 --> 06:42.639 TWO-THIRDS OF NEW UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS EVERY YEAR ARE PEOPLE 06:42.674 --> 06:44.207 IMMIGRANTS EVERY YEAR ARE PEOPLE WHO OVERSTAY VISAS. 06:44.242 --> 06:45.942 WHO OVERSTAY VISAS. WE HAVE MORE IMMIGRANTS COMING 06:45.944 --> 06:47.710 WE HAVE MORE IMMIGRANTS COMING EVERY YEAR FROM ASIA THAN FROM 06:47.712 --> 06:48.712 EVERY YEAR FROM ASIA THAN FROM LATIN AMERICA COMBINED. 06:48.713 --> 06:50.614 LATIN AMERICA COMBINED. DO WE EVER TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO 06:50.615 --> 06:50.947 DO WE EVER TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS? 06:50.949 --> 06:51.448 THINGS? WE DON’T. 06:51.449 --> 06:53.450 WE DON’T. AND THE BORDER OFFICIALS I 06:53.451 --> 06:54.551 AND THE BORDER OFFICIALS I INTERVIEWED ALL WEEK LAST WEEK, 06:54.552 --> 06:55.952 INTERVIEWED ALL WEEK LAST WEEK, THEY SAY THERE IS A CRISIS AT 06:55.954 --> 06:56.720 THEY SAY THERE IS A CRISIS AT THE BORDER. 06:56.721 --> 06:58.155 THE BORDER. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A WAY OF 06:58.156 --> 06:58.855 AND AGAIN, THIS IS A WAY OF CONFUSING PEOPLE. 06:58.857 --> 07:00.323 CONFUSING PEOPLE. THERE IS A CRISIS AT THE BORDER, 07:00.325 --> 07:01.358 THERE IS A CRISIS AT THE BORDER, WHICH IS THAT THERE ARE A HUGE 07:01.359 --> 07:02.726 WHICH IS THAT THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER OF FAMILIES THERE AND 07:02.727 --> 07:04.628 NUMBER OF FAMILIES THERE AND THERE ARE NO RESOURCES TO 07:04.629 --> 07:05.829 THERE ARE NO RESOURCES TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE INSTEAD ALL 07:05.830 --> 07:07.564 ADDRESS IT BECAUSE INSTEAD ALL THE RESOURCES ARE GOING TOWARD 07:07.598 --> 07:11.068 THE RESOURCES ARE GOING TOWARD THIS NONEXISTENT FAKE CRISIS 07:11.069 --> 07:13.370 THIS NONEXISTENT FAKE CRISIS THAT’S REQUIRING, IN THE 07:13.371 --> 07:14.872 THAT’S REQUIRING, IN THE PRESIDENT’S MIND, A BORDER WALL. 07:14.873 --> 07:16.807 PRESIDENT’S MIND, A BORDER WALL. >> CAITLYN, THANKS FOR YOUR 07:16.841 --> 07:17.841 >> CAITLYN, THANKS FOR YOUR REPORTING ON THIS. 07:17.842 --> 07:19.443 REPORTING ON THIS. CAITLYN DICKERSON IS A NATIONAL 07:19.444 --> 07:20.577 CAITLYN DICKERSON IS A NATIONAL IMMIGRATION REPORTER. 07:20.578 --> 07:22.079 IMMIGRATION REPORTER. WE HAVE TO KEEP ON TELLING THE 07:22.113 --> 07:22.379 WE HAVE TO KEEP ON TELLING THE TRUTH. 07:22.380 --> 07:23.881 TRUTH. >> SUCH AN IMPORTANT AND SUCH A 07:23.882 --> 07:25.149 >> SUCH AN IMPORTANT AND SUCH A CONFUSING STORY, BUT IT DOESN’T 07:25.183 --> 07:25.582 CONFUSING STORY, BUT IT DOESN’T NEED TO BE. 07:25.583 --> 07:26.383 NEED TO BE. >> CORRECT. 07:26.417 --> 07:26.750 >> CORRECT. >> WE NEED BORDER SECURITY.