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THE CONSULTANT --
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AS SOON AS WE WENT TO NORTH

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AS SOON AS WE WENT TO NORTH
CAROLINA, THE FLYNN MEMO CAME

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CAROLINA, THE FLYNN MEMO CAME
OUT.

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OUT.
IT HAS BEEN RELEASED BY THE

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IT HAS BEEN RELEASED BY THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE OF

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SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE OF
ROBERT MUELLER.

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ROBERT MUELLER.
WE’VE BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR

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WE’VE BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR
THIS.

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THIS.
MICHAEL FLYNN VERY ALREADY

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MICHAEL FLYNN VERY ALREADY
PLEADED GUILTY TO ONE COUNT OF

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PLEADED GUILTY TO ONE COUNT OF
LYING TO THE FBI, A RECOMMENDED

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LYING TO THE FBI, A RECOMMENDED
SENTENCE OF ZERO TO SIX MONTHS

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SENTENCE OF ZERO TO SIX MONTHS
FOR THAT CRIME.

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FOR THAT CRIME.
I’M GETTING IT HERE AND I HAVE

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I’M GETTING IT HERE AND I HAVE
DAN GOLDMAN HERE, WHO HAS BEEN

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DAN GOLDMAN HERE, WHO HAS BEEN
SPEED READING.

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SPEED READING.
SO FAR, AS I LOOK AT IT, LET ME

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SO FAR, AS I LOOK AT IT, LET ME
JUST SHOW THIS, THERE ARE SOME

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JUST SHOW THIS, THERE ARE SOME
REDACTED PORTIONS TO IT.

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REDACTED PORTIONS TO IT.
BUT IT ALSO -- ACTUALLY, HERE’S

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BUT IT ALSO -- ACTUALLY, HERE’S
ONE, THE DEFENDANT ALSO PROVIDED

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ONE, THE DEFENDANT ALSO PROVIDED
USEFUL INFORMATION CONCERNING --

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USEFUL INFORMATION CONCERNING --
REDACTED.

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REDACTED.
HOW MUCH INFORMATION DO WE HAVE

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HOW MUCH INFORMATION DO WE HAVE
HERE, DAN?

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HERE, DAN?
>> VERY LITTLE.

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>> VERY LITTLE.
THIS IS THE ADDENDUM THAT YOU’RE

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THIS IS THE ADDENDUM THAT YOU’RE
REFERENCING THERE WHICH HAS BEEN

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REFERENCING THERE WHICH HAS BEEN
REDACTED.

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REDACTED.
AND BASICALLY ALL OF THE

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AND BASICALLY ALL OF THE
INFORMATION ABOUT THE ONGOING

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INFORMATION ABOUT THE ONGOING
INVESTIGATION IS REDACTED.

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INVESTIGATION IS REDACTED.
IT DOES INCLUDE ANYTHING IN

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IT DOES INCLUDE ANYTHING IN
PUBLIC THAT WOULD REVEAL

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PUBLIC THAT WOULD REVEAL
ANYTHING THAT WE DON’T KNOW

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ANYTHING THAT WE DON’T KNOW
ALREADY.

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ALREADY.
THE MAIN SENTENCING MEMO

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THE MAIN SENTENCING MEMO
OUTLINES IN SOME DETAIL HIS TWO

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OUTLINES IN SOME DETAIL HIS TWO
SETS OF FALSE STATEMENTS

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SETS OF FALSE STATEMENTS
RELATING TO CONVERSATIONS HE HAD

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RELATING TO CONVERSATIONS HE HAD
WITH RUSSIANS ABOUT SANCTIONS.

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WITH RUSSIANS ABOUT SANCTIONS.
DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD.

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DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD.
AND ALSO OUTLINING THE LIES

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AND ALSO OUTLINING THE LIES
ABOUT HIS FOREIGN LOBBYING FOR

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ABOUT HIS FOREIGN LOBBYING FOR
TURKEY.

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TURKEY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE

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BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE
ANTICIPATION THAT WE ALL HAD

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ANTICIPATION THAT WE ALL HAD
ABOUT THIS, THIS IS --

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ABOUT THIS, THIS IS --
>> A LOT IS BEING --

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>> A LOT IS BEING --
>> UNDERWHELMING.

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>> UNDERWHELMING.
TWO THINGS JUMP OUT AT ME HERE.

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TWO THINGS JUMP OUT AT ME HERE.
AS PART OF ASSISTANCE WITH THE

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AS PART OF ASSISTANCE WITH THE
INVESTIGATIONS, THE DEFENDANT

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INVESTIGATIONS, THE DEFENDANT
PARTICIPATED IN 19 INTERVIEWS

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PARTICIPATED IN 19 INTERVIEWS
WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S

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WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S
OFFICE WHERE ATTORNEYS FROM

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OFFICE WHERE ATTORNEYS FROM
OTHER DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

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OTHER DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
OFFICES, WHICH IS ALSO

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OFFICES, WHICH IS ALSO
INTERESTING, NOT JUST SCO,

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INTERESTING, NOT JUST SCO,
PROVIDED DOCUMENTS AND

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PROVIDED DOCUMENTS AND
COMMUNICATIONS.

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COMMUNICATIONS.
THAT’S VERY SIGNIFICANT

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THAT’S VERY SIGNIFICANT
COOPERATION.

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COOPERATION.
>> ABSOLUTELY.

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>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND SUBSTANTIAL.

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AND SUBSTANTIAL.
THEY USED ALL THE TERMS THAT YOU

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THEY USED ALL THE TERMS THAT YOU
EXPECT WITH FULSOME COOPERATE,

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EXPECT WITH FULSOME COOPERATE,
DOWNWARD DEPARTURE IN HIS SHORT

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DOWNWARD DEPARTURE IN HIS SHORT
SENTENCE.

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SENTENCE.
HERE’S THE BOTTOM LINE, IF OUR

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HERE’S THE BOTTOM LINE, IF OUR
VIEWERS CAN SEE THIS, THE GOOD

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VIEWERS CAN SEE THIS, THE GOOD
STUFF IS BLACKED OUT.

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STUFF IS BLACKED OUT.
>> JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT, 19

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>> JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT, 19
MEETINGS, WHEN I HAD COOPERATING

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MEETINGS, WHEN I HAD COOPERATING
WITNESSES, THE ONLY TIMES I

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WITNESSES, THE ONLY TIMES I
WOULD MEET 19 OR MORE TIMES WITH

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WOULD MEET 19 OR MORE TIMES WITH
A COOPERATING WITNESS WAS WHEN

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A COOPERATING WITNESS WAS WHEN
WE WERE PREPARING FOR TRIAL.

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WE WERE PREPARING FOR TRIAL.
THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF

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THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
MEETINGS.

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MEETINGS.
WE CAN REFERENCE THE FACT THAT

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WE CAN REFERENCE THE FACT THAT
MICHAEL COHEN HAD SEVEN MEETINGS

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MICHAEL COHEN HAD SEVEN MEETINGS
WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S

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WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S
OFFICE.

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OFFICE.
19 MEETINGS IS A LOT.

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19 MEETINGS IS A LOT.
AND SO THAT IS AN INDICATION

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AND SO THAT IS AN INDICATION
THAT AS -- YOU KNOW, YOU DON’T

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THAT AS -- YOU KNOW, YOU DON’T
MEET WITH SOMEBODY MORE AND MORE

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MEET WITH SOMEBODY MORE AND MORE
AND MORE IF THEY DON’T HAVE MORE

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AND MORE IF THEY DON’T HAVE MORE
AND MORE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.

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AND MORE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.
>> I THINK WHAT THIS UNDERSCORES

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>> I THINK WHAT THIS UNDERSCORES
IS MIKE FLYNN HAS BEEN

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IS MIKE FLYNN HAS BEEN
COOPERATING FOR A YEAR IN A

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COOPERATING FOR A YEAR IN A
BLACK HOLE.

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BLACK HOLE.
>> IN A BLACK HOLE, THAT’S

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>> IN A BLACK HOLE, THAT’S
RIGHT, NOTHING HAS POPPED OUT,

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RIGHT, NOTHING HAS POPPED OUT,
NOTHING.

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NOTHING.
>> MIKE FLYNN’S LAWYERS DON’T

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>> MIKE FLYNN’S LAWYERS DON’T
LEAK.

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LEAK.
I’M CONVINCED THE TRUMP TEAM HAS

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I’M CONVINCED THE TRUMP TEAM HAS
NO IDEA WHAT HE’S GIVEN THE

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NO IDEA WHAT HE’S GIVEN THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL.

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SPECIAL COUNSEL.
>> THE DEFENDANT HAS PROVIDED

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>> THE DEFENDANT HAS PROVIDED
SUBSTANTIAL ASSISTANCE IN A

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SUBSTANTIAL ASSISTANCE IN A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, SECTION

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CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, SECTION
A, ALL BLACKED OUT.

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A, ALL BLACKED OUT.
HERE’S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

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HERE’S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
AND IT’S OBVIOUS.

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AND IT’S OBVIOUS.
WHEN YOU SEE IT IN WRITING, IT

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WHEN YOU SEE IT IN WRITING, IT
STRIKES YOU.

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STRIKES YOU.
THE DEFENDANT HAS ALSO ASSISTED

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THE DEFENDANT HAS ALSO ASSISTED
WITH AN SCO INVESTIGATION

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WITH AN SCO INVESTIGATION
CONCERNING LINKS AND

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CONCERNING LINKS AND
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN

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COORDINATION BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUALS

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GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUALS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUMP

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ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN.

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CAMPAIGN.
THAT’S IT.

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THAT’S IT.
WE ARE PURSUING A CRIMINAL

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WE ARE PURSUING A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THERE

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INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THERE
WAS COLLUSION BETWEEN THE

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WAS COLLUSION BETWEEN THE
PRE-ESTABLISHED CONSPIRACY

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PRE-ESTABLISHED CONSPIRACY
DIRECTED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN ON

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DIRECTED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN ON
BEHALF OF A HOSTILE FOREIGN

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BEHALF OF A HOSTILE FOREIGN
ADVERSARY TO SUBVERT AN AMERICAN

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ADVERSARY TO SUBVERT AN AMERICAN
ELECTION IN ILLEGAL FASHION, WAS

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ELECTION IN ILLEGAL FASHION, WAS
COORDINATED WITH ASSOCIATES OF

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COORDINATED WITH ASSOCIATES OF
THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE

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THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, THAT IS THE MEAT

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UNITED STATES, THAT IS THE MEAT
OF THE INQUIRY WE ARE

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OF THE INQUIRY WE ARE
UNDERTAKING AND THIS MAN HAS

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UNDERTAKING AND THIS MAN HAS
COOPERATED WITH IT.

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COOPERATED WITH IT.
>> AND THEY’VE ALSO SAID THAT

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>> AND THEY’VE ALSO SAID THAT
WAS THE INVESTIGATION.

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WAS THE INVESTIGATION.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVEN’T RULED

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BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVEN’T RULED
IT OUT.

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IT OUT.
THEY’RE STILL INVESTIGATING AND

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THEY’RE STILL INVESTIGATING AND
THEY’RE SAYING HE HAS HELPED US

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THEY’RE SAYING HE HAS HELPED US
WITH THAT INVESTIGATION.

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WITH THAT INVESTIGATION.
>> WE KNEW THIS FROM THE JEROME

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>> WE KNEW THIS FROM THE JEROME
CORSI DOCUMENTS.

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CORSI DOCUMENTS.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A BOMBSHELL

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I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A BOMBSHELL
SURPRISE.

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SURPRISE.
I THINK THE TAKEAWAYS HERE ARE

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I THINK THE TAKEAWAYS HERE ARE
THAT THEY ALSO INDICATE THAT

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THAT THEY ALSO INDICATE THAT
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT HIS FULL

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THEY UNDERSTAND THAT HIS FULL
COOPERATION WILL NOT BE REALIZED

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COOPERATION WILL NOT BE REALIZED
BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION IS

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BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION IS
ONGOING.

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ONGOING.
BUT NONETHELESS THEY FEEL LIKE

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BUT NONETHELESS THEY FEEL LIKE
THERE’S SUFFICIENT COOPERATION

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THERE’S SUFFICIENT COOPERATION
TO HAVE HIM SENTENCED AT THIS

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TO HAVE HIM SENTENCED AT THIS
TIME.

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TIME.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT

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WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT
THE TOP OF THE SHOW, THAT THE

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THE TOP OF THE SHOW, THAT THE
TIMING OF THIS IS UNUSUAL.

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TIMING OF THIS IS UNUSUAL.
BUT BECAUSE THE GUIDELINE RANGE

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BUT BECAUSE THE GUIDELINE RANGE
OF ZERO TO SIX MONTHS IS SO LOW

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OF ZERO TO SIX MONTHS IS SO LOW
HE DOESN’T NEED A LOT OF

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HE DOESN’T NEED A LOT OF
COOPERATION TO GET THE PRO BASE

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COOPERATION TO GET THE PRO BASE
SENTENCE.

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SENTENCE.
THE OTHER THING THAT’S

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THE OTHER THING THAT’S
INTERESTING IS I’M CERTAIN HE IS

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INTERESTING IS I’M CERTAIN HE IS
GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO CONTINUE

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GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO CONTINUE
HIS COOPERATION FOLLOWING

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HIS COOPERATION FOLLOWING
SENTENCING.

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SENTENCING.
SO THAT IS, I BELIEVE, PART OF

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SO THAT IS, I BELIEVE, PART OF
HIS PLEA AGREEMENT AND SOMETHING

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HIS PLEA AGREEMENT AND SOMETHING
THAT HE LIKELY WOULD HAVE AGREED

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THAT HE LIKELY WOULD HAVE AGREED
TO DO.

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TO DO.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SAYS

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>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS SAYS
TO US ABOUT WHERE MUELLER IS AT?

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TO US ABOUT WHERE MUELLER IS AT?
>> I’VE BELIEVED FOR A WHILE

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>> I’VE BELIEVED FOR A WHILE
THAT WE ARE NOT VERY CLOSE TO

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THAT WE ARE NOT VERY CLOSE TO
THE END.

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THE END.
WE MAY BE AT THE BEGINNING OF

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WE MAY BE AT THE BEGINNING OF
THE END.

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THE END.
BUT I THINK THERE’S SOME TIME TO

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BUT I THINK THERE’S SOME TIME TO
GO.

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GO.
I THINK THIS UNDERSCORES THAT.

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I THINK THIS UNDERSCORES THAT.
>> IF THERE WAS A BIG LIKE, HEY,

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>> IF THERE WAS A BIG LIKE, HEY,
HERE’S EVERYTHING WE KNOW, THAT

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HERE’S EVERYTHING WE KNOW, THAT
IS AN INDICATION OF WHERE HE IS

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IS AN INDICATION OF WHERE HE IS
IN THE TRAJECTORY.

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IN THE TRAJECTORY.
>> THERE ARE SOME SENSITIVE

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>> THERE ARE SOME SENSITIVE
MATTERS THEY DON’T WANT REVEALED

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MATTERS THEY DON’T WANT REVEALED
TO THE PUBLIC THEY’RE STILL

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TO THE PUBLIC THEY’RE STILL
PURSUING.

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PURSUING.
RICK GATES IS STILL COOPERATING

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RICK GATES IS STILL COOPERATING
AND HAS A STATUS CONFERENCE IN